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View Poll Results: Power 5 conference or better coach at mid-major?
Give me the mid-major with the great coach. We will win the conference or die trying 26 63.41%
Give me the P5, even if the coach is lesser quality. Quad 1 games baby 15 36.59%
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What is more important, coach or conference?

Would a mid-major basketball school fair better by getting a top of the line coach or getting into a top of the line conference?

On one hand, a top line coach can build a program that can compete for the auto-bid every year and in many years be there in the at large conversation.

On the other hand, by being in a top line P5 conference, you do not have to run the table in early Non-Con tournaments to build up the resume. Plently of Quad 1 games to go around. And we all know there is a bias towards a big conference team. Let's say for argument sakes that this coach is not as good as the one in the mid-major conference.

Pretty simple here. Just pick one. Or dont. Or move to the next thread.

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The goal is to compete for a championship rather than to simply get an auto bid. Better conference brings better competition and eventually a better coach. How many non-power conference schools have won a championship in the last 40 years.
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How many football P5 and Big East Schools have won a National Championship in the same 40 years. Numerically a few, but percentage wise, not that many. UCONN, Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, North Carolina, etal., over and over again. Louisville twice and Florida twice and VILLANOVA TWICE.

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And there is no such thing as a so-called Mid-Major. That doesn't really exist.
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Coach. Been proven that a good coach can be perennial tourney team anywhere, and can play good opponents out of conference. The concern is that he leaves I suppose, but still, I’d choose Coach for this question

Also, agreed with Beatty. Power 5 never made sense, and certainly doesn’t exist anymore with Pac 12s demise. Is Gonzaga a mid major? Did xavier transition from mid-major when they joined the big east? If so, the best mid-major players from xavier in 2000-2010 would wipe the floor with the best “high major” players from xavier of last 10 years. Or perhaps, is the new big east mid major because they have creighton, xavier and butler?

Ha I hope we’re even able to have these arguments in a few years. The whole landscape could change drastically with how college sports are conducted, and it could be dark days indeed
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Originally Posted by Beatty Town Coach View Post
And there is no such thing as a so-called Mid-Major. That doesn't really exist.
I dont like the term either, but I think it just means a decent conference that can get multiple bids but not a P5 (A10, WCC, Valley, Mountain West, CUSA)

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It’s an interesting question and I agree being in a major conference presents a much better and faster opportunity, and let’s be clear that’s all it is, to get to the tourney, get exposure, get better players, etc…but it seems to me that only one of those things are things that a school can directly control. Also keep in mind that a lot of P5 teams don’t regularly make the tourney. More than from the mid majors to be sure but my point is you still have to win the games, granted you have more opportunities but much tougher competition.
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I say the coach. Especially in this day and age when the whole team transfers when there is a coaching change. There are a number of teams that can't seem to replicate the success they once had when a great coach leaves. I'm looking at you, Indiana. It will be interesting to see how Gonzaga does when Few retires.
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Both!

Although AG is proving that if he can recruit the right players he the program can be NCAA tournament worthy in the A-10. A fourth place finish in a major conference results in about the same seeding.
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Anyone who thinks they know what the conference landscape will look like 8 or 10 years down the road is deluding themselves.


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I say the coach. Especially in this day and age when the whole team transfers when there is a coaching change. There are a number of teams that can't seem to replicate the success they once had when a great coach leaves. I'm looking at you, Indiana. It will be interesting to see how Gonzaga does when Few retires.
You could also throw in DePaul, Georgetown, even Wichita State, even louisville seems to have lost the magic sauce.
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Coaches can be replaced, conferences are more difficult.
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The one who will take me to the NCAAs with the highest level of consistency
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I voted for the coach for now, but I have an odd feeling this answer may not be the same in a few years. The NCAA sports ecosystem is in a state of change, and I don't think any of it points to good things for those not in a power conference.
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I love AG but conference is forever so conference.
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The one who will take me to the NCAAs with the highest level of consistency
Neither of the choices you set up here are a guaranty for anything. Its also just an odd set up because I assume if you are invited to join a major conference you get to bring your coach with you. Like I said in my earlier post, the coach is the only one that the school get to control. So for me it is coach, because conference is matter of circumstance, coach is a matter of choice.

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I love AG but conference is forever so conference.
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Conference is forever??? I don't think so!
BTW, I heard the PAC 12 is having a fire sale . . .


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XU is probably the best to compare to UD, in size, location, private, no D1 football.

XU moved to the BE in the 2013-14 season
Since then, they have made the NCAAs in 6 out of 10 years
Coaches were Travis Steele and Chris Mack and Sean Miller

UD remained in the A10 during this time period
Since then, we have made the NCAAs in 5 out of 10 years
Coaches were Archie Miller and Anthony Grant

NCAA bids since 2013-2014 (excluding 2020):
BE - 47
A10 - 25

Since 2020-21 when the BE moved to 11 schools:
2021 4 bids
2022 6 bids
2023 5 bids
So the BE is averaging 5 bids out of 11 schools

Since 2020-2021
2021 2 bids
2022 2 bids
2023 1 bid
So the A10 is averaging 1.67 bids out of 15 schools
The A10 is guaranteed to get one bid so only 2 at-large in the past 3 years

Would UD have made more NCAAs in the BE? Not sure, but 5 out of 10 is pretty close to 6 out of 10. Negligible at best in this example.

Still, I think its a good question. Gonzaga and Depaul are outliers. I am thinking more about bubble teams...
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The best coach in the best conference will fail miserably without the best NIL accounts.
Great point
Will be very interesting to see how it all shakes out in the upcoming seasons or how conferences continue to be realigned.

You have to have success to maximize NIL
What is the best way to have sustained success? Having a top line coach or being in a top line conference?
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Of course, that is hyperbole, but I think we can all agree that the best coach with the worst NIL pool will fail miserably.
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Of course, that is hyperbole, but I think we can all agree that the best coach with the worst NIL pool will fail miserably.
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