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Old 02-12-2024, 08:57 AM
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Duquesne Game Thoughts

Duquesne is 14-9 overall and 4-6 in conference, A10.

Dayton beat Duquesne in Pittsburgh (72-62) on 01/12/24. Here we go again. This time, the game is to be played in Dayton.

Since Duquesne lost to Dayton, Duquesne has gone 5-3. This result includes a non-A10 win in a game with Chicago State (NEC - Northeast Conference). Why did Duquesne play this non-conference game in the middle of the A10 conference schedule? It was not a quad 1 game? I guess Duquesne just had an open slot in their schedule and decided to fill it?

Apparently, Jimmy Clark (guard) and Fousseyni Drame (forward) are playing real well together.

Duquesne has had 6 different starting line-ups over 11 games. So, head coach Keith Dambrot is trying to find a group the works well together.
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This result includes a non-A10 win in a game with Chicago State (NEC - Northeast Conference).
Clarifier: Chicago State is currently an independent. Therefore, they have no conference games, so they must have tried to do whatever they could to get games in. They have already played 28 games this season, and have 2 games remaining, only 1 being a Div 1 opponent. (Eastern Kentucky)

They were previously in the WAC, and will be in the Northeast Conference starting in July of 2024.
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DU may be 5-3 since the last time we played them, but I have watched a few of those games and they are not playing well. We need to (and should) beat them and beat them big.
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They lost last week at home to bad Davidson team by 13.
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DU may be 5-3 since the last time we played them, but I have watched a few of those games and they are not playing well. We need to (and should) beat them and beat them big.
I don’t disagree that we should win this game (and hopefully by double digits), but Duquesne played a great road game in beating St. Bonaventure. That’s not an easy win for anybody, especially considering the Bonnies swept VCU.

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very odd st bon..they beat vcu twice and lose to duq twice...duq does scare me a bit as their guards are more physical and can drive. we should get w by at least 10.

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Agree. If Iím Dambrot, Iíd at least double team Deuce all night. Might even foul him rather than give up easy inside scores. In our losses he averages 13.5 ppg. In the wins itís 20.5. Stopping DH2 is the key to having any chance of beating us.
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We have won games with Deuce scoring 5, 8, 10, and 13 (9 ppg). Small sample sizes arenít real reliable. Your point makes sense in that stopping the leading scorer for any team generally is a good approach. I think itís safe to say that all of our opponents have hoped to control Deuce. Itís also safe to say that our opponents have hoped that we would miss shots. Kansas shot terribly last night and got smoked by Texas Tech. Hereís the thing to remember: UD is 15-0 when scoring at least 67 points and 4-4 when scoring 66 or fewer.
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I feel like they will get back to winning ways and take out some frustrations from another empty trip to Richmond and win comfortably.
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If we shoot the perimeter ball well, we win comfortably. If we don't, it could turn into an epitome of brutality kind of night.
Is that not the recipe every game? For every team without Zach Edy?

I'd like AG to show a little more confidence/playing time for Petras, assuming he's close to fully recovered from his illness. The kid can play and has a high IQ. Gotta develop a little depth for March.

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very odd st bon..they beat vcu twice and lose to duq twice...duq does scare me a bit as their guards are more physical and can drive. we should get w by at least 10.

glad we havent had any injuries so far other than mali.
Very unfortunate results for the conference as a whole. Those losses hurt VCU's at-large chances and make SBU's nonexistent.
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Very unfortunate results for the conference as a whole. Those losses hurt VCU's at-large chances and make SBU's nonexistent.
They are almost identical in the NET. Unless VcU gets the auto bid they are not dancing. Even winning out and losing in the a10 final almost certainly wonít get it done. Nine losses is too many against their limited quality wins and a couple of bad losses
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I thought that this game was a poorly coached game by Dambrot of Duquesne. Duquesne fans should be ďup in armsĒ. If this had been a Dayton coached team, Dayton fans would be ready to revolt against the coach. The color announcer even documented the coaching change by saying ďDuquesne is already warming up the busĒ. Duquesne had Dayton on the ropes during the first half and played dead even in the second half. At the point where I was expecting Duquesne to start to play harder and aggressively go for steals, foul and force Dayton to beat them at the free throw line, Duquesne coaching decided to shut it down. In my opinion, Duquesne conceded them game too early. They conceded and Dambrot started acting up and being emotional like a kid throwing a tantrum. What a coaching waste. I would hate to see any Dayton coach do this. The last time I saw a Grant led Dayton team shut it down too soon was in Brooklyn, New York against a Fordham team. I remember Dayton fans were very unhappy that the Dayton team did not fight until the end.
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Ö. Sorry, I meant Bronx, New York for a Fordham address.
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I thought that this game was a poorly coached game by Dambrot of Duquesne. Duquesne fans should be ďup in armsĒ. If this had been a Dayton coached team, Dayton fans would be ready to revolt against the coach. The color announcer even documented the coaching change by saying ďDuquesne is already warming up the busĒ. Duquesne had Dayton on the ropes during the first half and played dead even in the second half. At the point where I was expecting Duquesne to start to play harder and aggressively go for steals, foul and force Dayton to beat them at the free throw line, Duquesne coaching decided to shut it down. In my opinion, Duquesne conceded them game too early. They conceded and Dambrot started acting up and being emotional like a kid throwing a tantrum. What a coaching waste. I would hate to see any Dayton coach do this. The last time I saw a Grant led Dayton team shut it down too soon was in Brooklyn, New York against a Fordham team. I remember Dayton fans were very unhappy that the Dayton team did not fight until the end.
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The ball and player movement were awful tonight. The first half shooting wasnít just bad shooting. It was bad flow that created bad opportunities. The offense efficiency turns on getting shots that are more open. That just hasnít been happening, and the offense looks putrid far too often. Our PG play is only adequate, which certainly doesnít help. To get through the funk, there needs to be something new added to the recipe. I think itís TreyÖerrr, Cheeks. He doesnít have to carry the offensive load by any measure. I would just like to see him slash and finish more often. His competitive advantage is his combination of heart and athleticism. Unleash it!
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Flyers looked flat in the first half. Dukes looked gassed late. Flyer defense played a big role but the Dukes lack the guns to compete with the Flyers for a full 40.
I think Dambrot had a great game plan and is a good coach. I get the negative views on him but don’t share that view at all.
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Flyers looked flat in the first half. Dukes looked gassed late. Flyer defense played a big role but the Dukes lack the guns to compete with the Flyers for a full 40.
I think Dambrot had a great game plan and is a good coach. I get the negative views on him but don’t share that view at all.
The Flyers fell into the three-point trap again early in the game. Our guard play was sub-par again. It seems like our coaching staff figures it out after halftime that our best weapon is to get it inside.
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The ball and player movement were awful tonight. The first half shooting wasnít just bad shooting. It was bad flow that created bad opportunities. The offense efficiency turns on getting shots that are more open. That just hasnít been happening, and the offense looks putrid far too often. Our PG play is only adequate, which certainly doesnít help. To get through the funk, there needs to be something new added to the recipe. I think itís TreyÖerrr, Cheeks. He doesnít have to carry the offensive load by any measure. I would just like to see him slash and finish more often. His competitive advantage is his combination of heart and athleticism. Unleash it!
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I rarely buy into the notion that Player X "does all the little things." But in Cheeks' case, he is one of the few that "does all the little things." His steal at the 4-minute mark turned the game around.
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The ball and player movement were awful tonight. The first half shooting wasnít just bad shooting. It was bad flow that created bad opportunities. The offense efficiency turns on getting shots that are more open. That just hasnít been happening, and the offense looks putrid far too often. Our PG play is only adequate, which certainly doesnít help. To get through the funk, there needs to be something new added to the recipe. I think itís TreyÖerrr, Cheeks. He doesnít have to carry the offensive load by any measure. I would just like to see him slash and finish more often. His competitive advantage is his combination of heart and athleticism. Unleash it!
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The Flyers fell into the three-point trap again early in the game. Our guard play was sub-par again. It seems like our coaching staff figures it out after halftime that our best weapon is to get it inside.
Bennett got it started. Two early bricked 3ís for our worst 3 pt shooter. A career 28% er. He just needs to stop. Itís even worse given our weak rebounding.
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The offense doesn't call for that type of slashing.
Like I said, something needs to be added to the recipe. Itís not like Elvis never drives to the basket. Brea has done it when the D is extended. Iím not suggesting that he slashes to the basket 10-12 times per game. Iím suggesting that it be added to the recipe. Letís see it more often than on rare occasion. Itís clear that teams are getting into the passing lanes. Theyíre also moving to stop our player movement. If the other team wants to overplay a guy, Cheeks could take advantage of a lane to the rim. For a guy that has his ability, itís a shame that he has not taken more than 6 shots from inside the arc in any game this year. Itís an option that can have a positive spillover affect.
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Like I said, something needs to be added to the recipe. Itís not like Elvis never drives to the basket. Brea has done it when the D is extended. Iím not suggesting that he slashes to the basket 10-12 times per game. Iím suggesting that it be added to the recipe. Letís see it more often than on rare occasion. Itís clear that teams are getting into the passing lanes. Theyíre also moving to stop our player movement. If the other team wants to overplay a guy, Cheeks could take advantage of a lane to the rim. For a guy that has his ability, itís a shame that he has not taken more than 6 shots from inside the arc in any game this year. Itís an option that can have a positive spillover affect.
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Like I said, something needs to be added to the recipe. Itís not like Elvis never drives to the basket. Brea has done it when the D is extended. Iím not suggesting that he slashes to the basket 10-12 times per game. Iím suggesting that it be added to the recipe. Letís see it more often than on rare occasion. Itís clear that teams are getting into the passing lanes. Theyíre also moving to stop our player movement. If the other team wants to overplay a guy, Cheeks could take advantage of a lane to the rim. For a guy that has his ability, itís a shame that he has not taken more than 6 shots from inside the arc in any game this year. Itís an option that can have a positive spillover affect.
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The offense they're trying to run is a pro style offense, and it doesn't really fit the personnel CAG has. It's predicated on having players that can take their man off the dribble and score, more or less a 2 man game with Holmes, while the other 3 stand around. They make an entry pass to Holmes, and then the other 4 just stand there waiting for him to do something. No backside movement whatsoever. Kind of frustrating to watch, which is why they usually start so slow offensively.
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The ball and player movement were awful tonight. The first half shooting wasnít just bad shooting. It was bad flow that created bad opportunities. The offense efficiency turns on getting shots that are more open. That just hasnít been happening, and the offense looks putrid far too often. Our PG play is only adequate, which certainly doesnít help. To get through the funk, there needs to be something new added to the recipe. I think itís TreyÖerrr, Cheeks. He doesnít have to carry the offensive load by any measure. I would just like to see him slash and finish more often. His competitive advantage is his combination of heart and athleticism. Unleash it!
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The ball and player movement were awful tonight. The first half shooting wasnít just bad shooting. It was bad flow that created bad opportunities. The offense efficiency turns on getting shots that are more open. That just hasnít been happening, and the offense looks putrid far too often. Our PG play is only adequate, which certainly doesnít help. To get through the funk, there needs to be something new added to the recipe. I think itís TreyÖerrr, Cheeks. He doesnít have to carry the offensive load by any measure. I would just like to see him slash and finish more often. His competitive advantage is his combination of heart and athleticism. Unleash it!
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Cheeks can be as aggressive as he wants. There are no quotas on him imposed by the staff. He just needs to assert himself more, which I hope he does. I think this one is more on the player than the coaching staff.
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If thatís the case, Iím hoping that AG can bring him out of his shell.
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Didn't we win, or did I miss somthing.
We did, and the ball and player movement were awful. With the way this team plays D, we just need to score 67 points (weíre 4-4 when scoring 66 or fewer points and undefeated when scoring 67 or more). At the 5 minute mark, it looked like we werenít going to cross the 67 point line. The offense was putrid. I think we can enjoy the thrill of victory but recognize that the offense is amiss. I hope that the team can earn a decent seed AND advance in the tourney. To do that, the offense needs to improve. I truly think itís ok to say that.
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I think Brea needs to start. We need some fire power early in games.
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Just a couple thoughts on the post game interview, and some of the previous post game interviews of opposing coaches.
I've watched the past 4-5 post game interviews and I was impressed by the respect opposing coaches have for every aspect of UD basketball. They did not just pay lip service to us, they seemed deeply knowledgeable about our history and the way the program and the fan base conducts themselves. At some level we must be doing something right. We should take some extra measure of pride in what we are a part of, and not take anything for granted. We may not win every game, but at least we are part of a program we can be proud of. The other thing that struck me was that they all seem to mention NIL in some form. It really is taking over college athletics, and, as we all know, probably not in a good way. Anyway, on to Fordham. Go Flyers!
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Cheeks is very capable of scoring more, he has embraced the glue guy role. It's probably a good idea to get him more involved.
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Originally Posted by UD62 View Post
Didn't we win, or did I miss somthing.
We did win, but if thatís your only criteria for feeling good about our future success, you most definitely did miss something. And what you missed is why we struggle as much as we do.
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Bennett got it started. Two early bricked 3ís for our worst 3 pt shooter. A career 28% er. He just needs to stop. Itís even worse given our weak rebounding.
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Yeah, all due respect, but Bennett stopping shooting threes would trigger an entire other set of issues. Please tell me you're not serious.

He missed two threes early on and only took one more the rest of the game. He's shooting them at 30% (29.5 to be exact), which is all in all, functional. He's simply streaky. Since A10 play started, he's really only had one game that was abysmal behind the arc (1-8 against SLU). And IIRC, he a big one late in that game. He knows when he doesn't have it and doesn't keep chucking them. Just 3 weeks ago, he had consecutive performances of 4-5, 3-5 and 2-6. Was 2-2 last week at STJ. He's not taking poor shots.

Our offense is predicated on spacing and having perimeter shooters around the arc.
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Do any of the doom and gloom, negative people in this forum watch other teams play? All teams have ups and downs and struggle offensively periodically. We are 20-4, ranked #16, projected in the NCAA Tournament as a 4 seed, and some are still wringing their hands with negativity.
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Keep shooting good 3 opportunities baby! It plays to our strengths, IMO. It's who we are, as far as I am concerned. When we lay "stinker" bad shooting games, we are vulnerable to being beaten good teams, but I still contend that it maximizes our team potential.

I'm not saying that we don't adjust, case by case, to the way teams are trying to defend us, but overall, I think this plays to our greatest strength.
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Every player in the regular rotation except for Jack can hit an open 3. Thatís huge because teams canít leave anyone open behind the arc. To keep teams honest and force them to extend their D, guys have to take the open shot. They just need to avoid the rushed bad 3 point shot.
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We did win, but if thatís your only criteria for feeling good about our future success, you most definitely did miss something. And what you missed is why we struggle as much as we do.
Yea, I hate those struggling 16 point wins. Have you been paying attention to college basketball? Kansas just lost by 30. Kentucky lost 3 straight home games for the first time in 70 years. We should be thanking our lucky stars right now.
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I think Brea needs to start. We need some fire power early in games.
Nope. We have a very good rotation. Anyways, itís not who starts, itís who finishes.
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‘They’re 16th in the country for a reason’ — Dayton shows ‘great poise’ in final minutes vs. Duquesne

Recapping a 22-0 run that carried Flyers to their 20th victory

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I get the criticisms for this reason:

Even though I am very handsome, strong, kind, generous, intelligent, humble, a thrill in the sack and a great provider, my wife is still going to complain.

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Bennett got it started. Two early bricked 3’s for our worst 3 pt shooter. A career 28% er. He just needs to stop. It’s even worse given our weak rebounding.
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Rebuttal point #2

I cannot tell you how many times I heard and read (from a small contingent of posters) during the 2019/20 season about Landers and Mikesell should never shoot another three pointer in their lives.

Mikesell had a significant decline his senior year, dipping to 26% on 88 attempted 3-pointers. But all in all was ~30% for his career.
Landers went from an abysmal 20% his junior year to ~31% on like 60 attempts his senior year.

These were starters on a #1 seed, 29-2 team that had the most efficient offense in the country.

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These were starters on a #1 seed, 29-3 team that had the most efficient offense in the country.
29-3??
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29-3??
Fat-finger, sorry. 29-2
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Rebuttal point #2

I cannot tell you how many times I heard and read (from a small contingent of posters) during the 2019/20 season about Landers and Mikesell should never shoot another three pointer in their lives.

Mikesell had a significant decline his senior year, dipping to 26% on 88 attempted 3-pointers. But all in all was ~30% for his career.
Landers went from an abysmal 20% his junior year to ~31% on like 60 attempts his senior year.

These were starters on a #1 seed, 29-3 team that had the most efficient offense in the country.
Wrong time after time without admitting how wrong they were. Instead they take every opportunity to rinse and repeat the same negativity. There are at least 2 games this year we won largely because of Javonís 3 pt shooting. Glad the program isnít influenced by anything written on here by the few negative Nancyís.
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Even though I am very handsome, strong, kind, generous, intelligent, humble, a thrill in the sack and a great provider, my wife is still going to complain.
About your lying.
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Is Daron Holmes the most foulable player in the country? I think I just created a word.

He is so long and lanky. He moves in unconventional ways, IMO. He takes huge strides, like Euro-steps. He spins and drop steps. He lingers in the air on shots and outreaches defenders. With his slender build, when another big man knocks into him, it really shows. He's obviously hard to guard, but seems like foul magnet for his style, movements and build.

To me, that was the story of the Duquesne game. We stopped the Dukes cold in the last 6 minutes and just kept drawing fouls to pull away.

You can darn-near rely on Daron getting fouled regularly. This pulls us through a lot of games where our offense is not playing well. To me, getting fouled is becoming Daron's super-power.

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As someone who has posted about last nightís awful offense, I would be surprised to be considered a negative Nancy. I think thereís reason for genuine concern after a poor offensive effort against VCU followed by the first 35 minutes of game time last night. Iíve posted several times that itís about scoring at least 67 points. Outside of a late burst, we werenít going to reach 67. Why 67? Weíre 4-4 when scoring less than 67 points. Compare that to 16-0 when scoring 67 or more. Our top 6 players are all capable of exploding for 20+ points. Different guys step up regularly. Last night was just brutal until the final 5 minutes. I would hope that everyone can accept that.
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Except the game is 40 minutes, we scored 75 and won! We are very good!
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We are very good. Weíve only given up 70 points in 5 games. Today is February 14, and itís a blue sky in the Miami Valley. All true statements. Iím not sure why itís so difficult to recognize that the offense is showing some warts. Itís just a simple truth.
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Sometimes we have 2 guys standing around on offense... there's not enough ball movement from side to side.

And why aren't we moving into the lane to rebound after a missed shot? One guy can't best three for telhr ball.

Frustrating to watch at times, but we are 20-4...
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I thought that this game was a poorly coached game by Dambrot of Duquesne.
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I agree, especially in the 2nd half. Go to ESPN and look at the play by play for the final 6:39.....the point that DU took a 57-53 lead. Every shot from that point on was a 3, with exception of one, which DH2 blocked. They made a meaningless layup at the end to cap off a UD 22-2 run. Two missed 3's and a TO with the lead....then Cheeks had 2 steals. Considering they were 20-32 inside the arc, he let them fire away.

The defense finally woke up, but a more disciplined Duquesne team might have made this game a whole lot closer.
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I agree, especially in the 2nd half. Go to ESPN and look at the play by play for the final 6:39.....the point that DU took a 57-53 lead. Every shot from that point on was a 3, with exception of one, which DH2 blocked. They made a meaningless layup at the end to cap off a UD 22-2 run. Two missed 3's and a TO with the lead....then Cheeks had 2 steals. Considering they were 20-32 inside the arc, he let them fire away.

The defense finally woke up, but a more disciplined Duquesne team might have made this game a whole lot closer.
I went into the game saying DU wasn't a very good team because I had watched a few of their recent games and they stunk. However they do look like they have some talent so maybe the problem is that Dambrot is not a very good coach. Coaching LeBron James in high school does not automatically make you a good coach.
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Except the game is 40 minutes, we scored 75 and won! We are very good!
I agree we are very good but there is always room for improvement. We have been getting off to slow starts recently and that may lead to an early exit with the quality of teams we may face in the NCAA Tournament. Our defense seems to need a shot in the arm stopping opponents bigs from sometimes scoring at will under the basket.

As a longtime fan here are two suggestions I'd like to make. For the defense have the team watch old game tapes of Kyle Davis (2014-2017). He was relentless on defense (like a mixture of Javon Bennett and Enoch Cheeks only closer to the height of Cheeks). Davis was an expert at helping out his center by stealing the ball from the opponents center whenever he brought the ball down low. He oftentimes would take the ball the length of the court and the joke was you could go into the kitchen for a sandwich because a made layup was a given.

On offense, you old timers would have to agree, the player that our current players should watch game tapes of is Jim Paxson Jr. He was in constant motion whenever he was on offense and completely wore out whoever was guarding him. He would either end up making a basket for himself (averaging 23.2 ppg. his senior year) or feeding a teammate for an open basket.

There are benefits for watching old tapes of some of the great Flyer players from the past.

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I have a question though, and this is not a shot at the staff (who I like, although I do think their offense is lacking).

I keep seeing that we have guys that just stand around on offense and don't move or cut. Do we really think that they do this by themselves or is that what the offense calls for?

When I see multiple players go the corner and just stand there, I can't believe that that's not what they are told do. And if guys were just standing and not making the cuts or movement that the offense calls for wouldn't the staff take them out or at least instruct them to make the called for cuts?

What I see is the first ten seconds of the offense, while the PG is dribbling, there are some cuts down low and guys swapping spots and usually a high ball screen and then they finally get to their spot and the movement stops. PG passes to a wing, the wing looks to the post or passes to the next stationary player and the cycle continues. If it goes to the post Holmes either goes to the hoop or looks for someone in their spot on the three point line. I just think that is the design of the offense and guys are doing what they are told to do. I have said for years, I think it is a very paint by the numbers style offense with very few reads and very few opportunities for creative play making.

And yes this is my view of the offense and my opinion and many of you probably have different opinions, and we are all entitled to those opinions because this is a message board and thats allowed.. So let's keep it civil in the responses, we're all on the same side and want to see the team succeed.
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20-4 is a pretty good start to seeing the team succeed.
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Except the game is 40 minutes, we scored 75 and won! We are very good!
Yes they did. But, it was a to a team that is now 4-7 in conference. But they did take care of business. The same attributes that we all saw in the first 33 minutes were the same at Richmond & VCU.

I don't think that makes anyone out here a doomsdayer. It only makes them nervous.
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20-4 is a pretty good start to seeing the team succeed.
Agreed but I still see lots of people complaining that players stand around on offense and I'm just saying that maybe they are doing it by design.
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I don't have a problem with the standing around. What I do have a problem is wasting 10 seconds dribbling the ball out front.
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Agreed but I still see lots of people complaining that players stand around on offense and I'm just saying that maybe they are doing it by design.
This is the answer. AG runs a pro-style offense. I watch a metric sh*t ton of Obi's and Toumani's games. They both end up in the corner until there is some action which prompts them to cut towards the hoop or to set a screen for a teammate.
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Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows View Post
This is the answer. AG runs a pro-style offense. I watch a metric sh*t ton of Obi's and Toumani's games. They both end up in the corner until there is some action which prompts them to cut towards the hoop or to set a screen for a teammate.
So there you go, it's probably by design, so we shouldn't complain about the players because they are doing what they're supposed to.
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