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Originally Posted by Radar View Post
I think you're contradicting yourself.

If you don't doubt AG's ability to handle it, then you shouldn't worry that the players can handle it.
Wrong. Who says it's not being "handled" even if it doesn't give you/me the outcome we desire?There are varying ways to handle this just like AG handled it with the cancerous player(s) when he got here..He sat down with guys and told them how it was being done. Those players had a choice how to handle and so will these players.

He sent them packing or told them not to let the door hit them in the ass at the expense of not losing the rest of the team. You think every decision he makes this season is going to put a smile on every player? Of course not yet you and a few others believe none of that seems to matter or that because they're all good buddies they're oblivious to wanting to also excel on a personal level.....

Look, we're simply having discussions here about the team we all follow. I'd like for this season to be perfect as far as an A10 title, top 20 team and a NCAA team but when has ANY season in the recent past and beyond been without turmoil, issues, stress, misfortune, etc.?

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I think those of you really concerned about playing time need to relax. These guys are not 5 star players sitting on the bench at UK or Duke. The transfers for the most part were already sitting on the bench. Playing time will be much better here than at their previous schools. They seem to really like each other which helps a lot. Everyone will get an opportunity because there are no 5 stars in front of them. Obi is great, the rest are just good. Play hard and you will get your opportunity, simple as that.
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I think those of you really concerned about playing time need to relax. These guys are not 5 star players sitting on the bench at UK or Duke. The transfers for the most part were already sitting on the bench. Playing time will be much better here than at their previous schools. They seem to really like each other which helps a lot. Everyone will get an opportunity because there are no 5 stars in front of them. Obi is great, the rest are just good. Play hard and you will get your opportunity, simple as that.
Hard nose defense and sharing the ball on offense will go a long way to snagging minutes. Don't forget who your tenured players are.
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Maybe somebody should start a starting 5 prediction poll.

I would guess opening starters are going to be

Crutcher
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Mikesell
Toppin
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Originally Posted by tirebiter View Post
Maybe somebody should start a starting 5 prediction poll.

I would guess opening starters are going to be

Crutcher
Watson
Mikesell
Toppin
Tshimanga
That’d be my pick as well.
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Originally Posted by tirebiter View Post
Maybe somebody should start a starting 5 prediction poll.

I would guess opening starters are going to be

Crutcher
Watson
Mikesell
Toppin
Tshimanga
I think it goes one of two ways... big or small.

Small:

Crutcher
Chatman
Watson
Mikesell
Toppin

Big:

Crutcher
Watson
Mikesell
Toppin
Tshimanga

I think the wild card is Chase... If he is eligible from the jump, he might start in that 5th spot after Jalen, Ibi, Ryan & Obi.
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Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 View Post
I think it goes one of two ways... big or small.

Small:

Crutcher
Chatman
Watson
Mikesell
Toppin

Big:

Crutcher
Watson
Mikesell
Toppin
Tshimanga

I think the wild card is Chase... If he is eligible from the jump, he might start in that 5th spot after Jalen, Ibi, Ryan & Obi.
You hit on something that really has me excited about this season, and that is the lineup flexibility that we haven’t seen in (what seems like) forever.

We have 3 guys who can play the 5 (Obi, Jordy, and Moulaye), 4 guys who can play the 4 (Obi, Chase, Ryan, and Trey), possibly 5 guys who can play the 3 (Chase, Ryan, Trey, Jhery, and Ibi), at least 3 guys who can play the 2 (Jhery, Ibi, and Dwayne), and 3 guys who can play the point (Dwayne, Jalen, and Rodney). Depending on who’s playing well for us and who’s playing well for the opponent, the number of potential combinations is staggering. You could just as easily see a lineup of Jordy, Obi, Ryan, Ibi, and Jalen as you could a lineup of Obi, Trey, Jhery, Ibi, and Jalen, or Jordy, Chase, Ibi, Dwayne, and Rodney. Or...

And that’s what has me excited. For at least this year, we’ll have no more keeping a guy in, even if he’s playing poorly, because “he’s all we got.”
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Old 07-31-2019, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 View Post
Depending on who’s playing well for us and who’s playing well for the opponent, the number of potential combinations is staggering.

1,287 I believe, if you include walkons. The same as it is every year with 13 players on the roster.
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Originally Posted by tirebiter View Post
Maybe somebody should start a starting 5 prediction poll.

I would guess opening starters are going to be

Crutcher
Watson
Mikesell
Toppin
Tshimanga
A lot think Obi will start at the 5, and although I think we will see him at times at the 5, I also think we will see him at the 3 if he’s hitting his threes and it causes match up problems for the defender. However, I think this is were we start the year. Lots of interchangeable parts.
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Toppin

All defense:
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Toppin
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All newbie team (the most to prove with high hopes).
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1,287 I believe, if you include walkons. The same as it is every year with 13 players on the roster.
If all players are treated equally the number of combinations is way more than 1287. It is more like 13x12x11x10x9=154,440.
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A lot think Obi will start at the 5, and although I think we will see him at times at the 5, I also think we will see him at the 3 if he’s hitting his threes and it causes match up problems for the defender. However, I think this is were we start the year. Lots of interchangeable parts.
Obi will be a 4 most of the time for a lot of reasons, including that’s where he will play in at the pro level and we now have Jordy and Moulaye inside. More of a stretch 4. I’m sure this has been discussed with obi and the staff.
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Although I like the idea of Crutcher and Chatman being on the floor at the same time, I don't think they will both start because of the PG rotation. I think the two of them will be on the court together much more as the game wears on versus at the start of the game.
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A lot think Obi will start at the 5, and although I think we will see him at times at the 5, I also think we will see him at the 3 if he’s hitting his threes and it causes match up problems for the defender. However, I think this is were we start the year. Lots of interchangeable parts.
That's ignoring the impact of floor spacing. Obi isn't going to be able to take advantage of his size if the paint is clogged up from the 4 & 5 spots. We ran into trouble with this with Cunningham at the 5 and Obi at the 4 last season.
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Starters:
Crutcher
Chatman
Watson
Mikesell
Toppin

15-25 minute players:
Landers
Jordy

10-20 minute players:
Matos

5-15 minute players:
Sissoko
Cohill

I think Chase Johnson once eligible falls into the 10-20 minute bracket with a shot of being in the 15-25 if he is healthy and effective. I think he'll primarily steal minutes from Sissoko. Obi will be jumping tip and Mikesell with start on the floor as the 5th year senior leader.
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Originally Posted by cj View Post
If all players are treated equally the number of combinations is way more than 1287. It is more like 13x12x11x10x9=154,440.
I think that's only if you specify which position each player plays. Like, a team with Crutcher at center and Obi at point would be different from the same team with Obi at center and Crutcher at point.

Google the formula "nCr" where you have "13 Choose 5" at a site like calculatorsoup.com and the answer is 1,287.

I can't wait to see Figgie's combination plus/minuses!
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I'm gonna go a little outside the box on starters

Crutcher
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We have not had a true center since Big Steve. Tshimanga was getting significant minutes at the 5 at Nebraska. Unless he has regressed from a year ago or is injured, I think he will start.
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Projecting starters is tough, and minutes even tougher.

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Chase/Jordy

I've been seeing alot of people indicating Cohill is going to get low minutes. I agree minutes will be tough to get and will need split in some fashion between Chatman, Watson, Cohill, Matos and even Trey. But I think Cohill will be right there in that mix, not playing less than the others.

I'm interested to see where Trey fits on the court. He'll be a great locker room leader. I have no idea what to expect with his minutes.
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Projecting starters is tough, and minutes even tougher.

Crutcher
Watson
Mikesell
Obi
Chase/Jordy

I've been seeing alot of people indicating Cohill is going to get low minutes. I agree minutes will be tough to get and will need split in some fashion between Chatman, Watson, Cohill, Matos and even Trey. But I think Cohill will be right there in that mix, not playing less than the others.

I'm interested to see where Trey fits on the court. He'll be a great locker room leader. I have no idea what to expect with his minutes.
With AG's reputation as a defensive coach I think Cohill/Matos will get more minutes than many are expecting. Cohill was recognized as the top defender last year which is impressive for a freshman

depending on how much man is played next year having someone who can lock down the Kellan Gradys, Marcus Evans on the schedule is important
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Projecting starting lineups, much less minutes is a crap shot at this point for any outsider (I'm sure the staff and the players have a pretty good idea where they stand). The only player I feel 100% confident in is Obi playing a ton. After that.....


Crutcher, almost as much a lock as Obi, but we have to see how Chatman fits into the puzzle, I expect them to split minutes at the point (with Crutch getting at least 25 per night) and perhaps picking up some time at SG as well.


Watson, if he's as good as Bucky indicates, as good as I hear from other people who've seen multiple practices indicate, as good as his teammates seem to hint at, its hard to see him not picking up big minutes at either the 2 or 3.


Cohill, Matos, Mikesell, Landers..... that's a lot of mouths to feed at the 2 & 3 spot for a limited number of minutes.


When is Chase eligible? If he gets cleared from day 1, and is as good as advertised, he could steal minutes at the 3, or the 4 with Obi playing the 3 some. Jordy seems like a lock to get at least 15-20 min a night in the post, perhaps even more; I don't expect to see a ton from the frosh.


Its never a bad thing to have too much talent, and there is certainly a lot of guys who could play multiple spots on the team, but at the end of the day, the rotation is likely going to be trimmed to 8 or 9 guys by the time march rolls around. Assuming health, there's going to be a player or 2 that is seeing less time than they had hoped.
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I'm curious to see how Obi is paired up with Jordy and what the spacing is on offense

If there are enough shooters/playmakers on the perimeter if he's the lone big it could set him up for some 1 on 1 match ups in the paint playing a 4 out 1 in

It'd be a lot tougher to zone
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Projecting starters is tough, and minutes even tougher.

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I've been seeing alot of people indicating Cohill is going to get low minutes. I agree minutes will be tough to get and will need split in some fashion between Chatman, Watson, Cohill, Matos and even Trey. But I think Cohill will be right there in that mix, not playing less than the others.

I'm interested to see where Trey fits on the court. He'll be a great locker room leader. I have no idea what to expect with his minutes.
I agree with this. Coach has a lot of equity in Crutcher, Cohill, Landers, Toppin, and Mikesell. To begin the season, I think he leans heavily on his returning veterans to get the ship started on course in OOC. While gradually feeding the newbies into the mix. I am enamored with the feedback about Ibi's shooting, but it's just hearsay until we see it in a game. Good problems to have.
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Ibi will be the starter at the 3-slot, not Trey Landers...love Trey but his inability to hit the outside shot creates too much collateral impact on the big guys. Trey will get some minutes at the 2/3/4, but not as a starter.
I'm not ruling out Trey as competent deep threat for this season.
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I'm not ruling out Trey as competent deep threat for this season.
While a little better his first two years (33.3% and 35.2%), Trey was 9 for 45 from 3 last year, good for a 20% rate. That won't fly.
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Trey knows he has to make shots to play, time will tell how much work he has put in. I'm optimistic he has worked hard for his senior year.
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I think Trey will be back in the 35% 3pt range this year. I think last years slump was an aberration.
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I'm not ruling out Trey as competent deep threat for this season.
What evidence do you have? He's regressed out there shooting the 3, was terrible last year and there are some Stafford jeweler half-time participants I'd rather have shooting the 3 ball than Trey...
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What evidence do you have? He's regressed out there shooting the 3, was terrible last year and there are some Stafford jeweler half-time participants I'd rather have shooting the 3 ball than Trey...
How about the injury free entire sophomore season? I’m so glad DO and KD didn’t listen to the naysayers.

Is there anything positive you aren’t concerned about for the upcoming season? The great news is Trey’s contributions don’t need to be great for the season to be great. He’s a competitor who has a great attitude and wants to play and contribute. Pretty confident he’ll be a key contributor.
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Trey is a driven competitor. I'm sure he sees the competition.

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What evidence do you have? He's regressed out there shooting the 3, was terrible last year and there are some Stafford jeweler half-time participants I'd rather have shooting the 3 ball than Trey...
I would think that Trey's Freshman experience in trying and failing to get minutes on the court would be indelibly printed in his mind. He worked hard and met that challenge head-on his Soph and Junior years. His 3 point shooting did not hold up, but the other parts of his game did. Now he is faced with an assignment this year that will require him to be average at the arc, or better. If he would just do that, he will insure double digit minutes. He needs hours and hours of shooting on his own.

Trey brings a lot to the table, but I could say the same about Mikesell who is only a 33% lifer from 3pt, but started every game he was healthy. That 33% would be tolerable for Landers. Got to make buckets.
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How about the injury free entire sophomore season? I’m so glad DO and KD didn’t listen to the naysayers.

Is there anything positive you aren’t concerned about for the upcoming season? The great news is Trey’s contributions don’t need to be great for the season to be great. He’s a competitor who has a great attitude and wants to play and contribute. Pretty confident he’ll be a key contributor.
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Stick to the point which is about 3 point shooting. Evidently, you just have an inability to comprehend. What does his sophomore year have to do with his senior year and what's beneficial in his 3 point shooting ability? I don't want a 20% guy shooting 3's on my team unless he shows significant improvement in practice.

Plenty of things TL does well but perimeter shooting ain't one of them. Now I'm sure you'll tell me how you saw him in an open gym hitting 3 after 3 or how he's beat several players playing horse..

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I would think that Trey's Freshman experience in trying and failing to get minutes on the court would be indelibly printed in his mind. He worked hard and met that challenge head-on his Soph and Junior years. His 3 point shooting did not hold up, but the other parts of his game did. Now he is faced with an assignment this year that will require him to be average at the arc, or better. If he would just do that, he will insure double digit minutes. He needs hours and hours of shooting on his own.

Trey brings a lot to the table, but I could say the same about Mikesell who is only a 33% lifer from 3pt, but started every game he was healthy. That 33% would be tolerable for Landers. Got to make buckets.
True but I'll give Mikesell a break after his hip injuries from the previous season..In fact, in his first 10 games last season he shot 42.4% (14-33) from the 3 line and then went thru a 3 game slump (1-12). Starting back in Jan . 2019 thru the rest of the year he shot 37.1%.
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Any guess that doesn't include Ryan/Obi/Jalen is wrong. Those three have earned it.
Best player plays...period. Past performance does not earn you spots this year. Don't get me wrong, I think these 3 will start, but I do not want their spot given to them.
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Jerry Palm as UD in the field, playing in Dayton (first 4)


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Stick to the point which is about 3 point shooting. Evidently, you just have an inability to comprehend. What does his sophomore year have to do with his senior year and what's beneficial in his 3 point shooting ability? I don't want a 20% guy shooting 3's on my team unless he shows significant improvement in practice.

Plenty of things TL does well but perimeter shooting ain't one of them. Now I'm sure you'll tell me how you saw him in an open gym hitting 3 after 3 or how he's beat several players playing horse..
Sophomore 3 point shooting was exactly my point as was the reference to former players you undoubtably think you could beat in horse. Trey has a history of an acceptable 3 of Percentage for an entire year ( I typed it more slowly this time so you could more easily follow along and possibly understand the correlation).

Pretty sure Trey’s proven work ethic also has him in the gym working on his shot. You seem to know otherwise about a whole lot of things since you offer so many definitive opinions that you state as fact.

I’m not one who sees Trey starting or playing more than 15-20 minutes a game but I do feel he will be a very solid contributor to the team’s success this year. You are free to continue to convince yourself otherwise.
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Agreed. It likely comes down to Ibi, Jordy, Jhery for the other 2.

I’ll go with OT,IW,JC,RM,JM. I think we’ll play fast and small out to gate to start the games in the ooc. My other personality thinks we may start out with the lineup that will matchup best against the Maui field to give them as much time to gel.
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I think this is your most likely “opening night” starting 5. At some point Jhery moves in for Trey and if Chase is also good as advertised he pushes Mikesell or forces him to slide down to the 3. This team is going to RUN. Tshimanga will have an impact but he will have them in short spurts.
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All of these lineup combinations sure beats the crap out of “we have Darrel Davis coming off the bench and then we have Bobby Wehrli” don’t it?
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True but I'll give Mikesell a break after his hip injuries from the previous season..In fact, in his first 10 games last season he shot 42.4% (14-33) from the 3 line and then went thru a 3 game slump (1-12). Starting back in Jan . 2019 thru the rest of the year he shot 37.1%.
It's a game of streaks from the arc. If a player shoots 50%, never does he go all year making 1 of 2 throughout.

Ryan was a 33% shooter for 3 full seasons, counting hot streaks, injury, surgery, rehab, et al.. During his medical redshirt year he was probably 33% in the practice gym. I would wager he wants to do more than that for whole season, but history says he won't.

We can't cherry pick the good and ignore the bad over 3 full seasons. Landers would be effective with 33% for 2019/20.
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It's a game of streaks from the arc. If a player shoots 50%, never does he go all year making 1 of 2 throughout.

Ryan was a 33% shooter for 3 full seasons, counting hot streaks, injury, surgery, rehab, et al.. During his medical redshirt year he was probably 33% in the practice gym. I would wager he wants to do more than that for whole season, but history says he won't.

We can't cherry pick the good and ignore the bad over 3 full seasons. Landers would be effective with 33% for 2019/20.
Trey just has to be respected when at the 3 point line. He doesn’t have to be 40% or shoot lots of them or be option 1-3 in the flow of the offense. If he can make a third of them and shoot them in the flow and confines of the offense, both of which he did in his Soph season, that can open up a lot for him and the the rest of the O when he’s on the court. I always wondered how spectacular London Warren could have been if he had been no better than this with his outside
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Jerry Palm as UD in the field, playing in Dayton (first 4)


https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba.../bracketology/


VCU a 5, Davidson a 7.
Pardon my angst, but the first four is beginning to feel like the CIT/CBA for us.
It's a tough road if you really want to go somewhere in the tournament.
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I can't believe the NCAA would put us in the First Four after all the controversy the last time. But, then again, they have done dumber things.
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It's a game of streaks from the arc. If a player shoots 50%, never does he go all year making 1 of 2 throughout.

Ryan was a 33% shooter for 3 full seasons, counting hot streaks, injury, surgery, rehab, et al.. During his medical redshirt year he was probably 33% in the practice gym. I would wager he wants to do more than that for whole season, but history says he won't.

We can't cherry pick the good and ignore the bad over 3 full seasons. Landers would be effective with 33% for 2019/20.
I think you certainly can not disregard a player coming off of 2 hip surgeries a year prior, having to get his legs back and steadily improving from the 3 line. UD played 30 plus games and he went thru a terrible 3 game stretch. I'll take that rather consistent line of games from anyone..Does it make RM an excellent perimeter shooter? Certainly not but I think any rational UD fan would not put those 2 even in the same category when watching them or even needing one of them to make a 3 pointshot.

Trey was not a year ago nor much his soph. season ever even get guarded from the 3 line and won't this year until he hits a couple.It probably affected not only his shot from there last year because the worst thing a player can do is hesitate which he did out of surprise at not being guarded but it also took away his drive to the bucket with defenders collapsing.

Plenty of things Landers does well and UD won't have the year they want to have this year without his toughness , defense, leadership and ability to work around the rim and get to the hoop......
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer View Post
It's a game of streaks from the arc. If a player shoots 50%, never does he go all year making 1 of 2 throughout.

Ryan was a 33% shooter for 3 full seasons, counting hot streaks, injury, surgery, rehab, et al.. During his medical redshirt year he was probably 33% in the practice gym. I would wager he wants to do more than that for whole season, but history says he won't.

We can't cherry pick the good and ignore the bad over 3 full seasons. Landers would be effective with 33% for 2019/20.
Actually Ryan is the rare exception to this useful rule of thumb. I would look this up on the UD website but it's currently listing the 2017-2018 game stats only, but, I think there is probably not a 5 game rolling stretch of games where he shot more than 40% and less than 25%. With such a small number of draws, it has to be statistically significant.
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I can't believe the NCAA would put us in the First Four after all the controversy the last time. But, then again, they have done dumber things.
Wasn't there something put out that UD would just get pushed into the main field after the Boise game by the NCAA?
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Wasn't there something put out that UD would just get pushed into the main field after the Boise game by the NCAA?

There was a new procedure implemented for ranking teams which would allow that to happen more easily, but I can't remember the details.
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Jerry Palm as UD in the field, playing in Dayton (first 4)


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VCU a 5, Davidson a 7.
I’m just not understanding the differential the national media is putting between UD and VCU. VCU lost Mobley and another reserve player. UD lost Davis and Cunningham. Yes, we lost more, however it is a fair guess that Davis left because others were going to eat into his time. I’ll take Chatman and Ibi over Davis. No one is expecting Jordy to replace Cunningham but he does bring an element Cunningham didn’t have which is size inside. Add in Obi improving, Crutcher not needing to play 35 minutes, Matos, and Chase Johnson and I believe we are well positioned to beat VCU. Yet, VCU is a five seed and UD is either barely in or barely out. Go,figure.
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I’m just not understanding the differential the national media is putting between UD and VCU. VCU lost Mobley and another reserve player. UD lost Davis and Cunningham. Yes, we lost more, however it is a fair guess that Davis left because others were going to eat into his time. I’ll take Chatman and Ibi over Davis. No one is expecting Jordy to replace Cunningham but he does bring an element Cunningham didn’t have which is size inside. Add in Obi improving, Crutcher not needing to play 35 minutes, Matos, and Chase Johnson and I believe we are well positioned to beat VCU. Yet, VCU is a five seed and UD is either barely in or barely out. Go,figure.
VCU brings essentially returns everyone from a team that went 16-2. Ibi, Jordy and Chase didn't have much production at their last stops so they look like question marks to the national folks
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VCU brings essentially returns everyone from a team that went 16-2. Ibi, Jordy and Chase didn't have much production at their last stops so they look like question marks to the national folks
Fair statement. It does look like Palm and the other national scribes are looking more at collegiate stats at their first stops, while we’re looking more at prep ratings and the Jordan Sibert Experience (underperforming in the B1G, then tearing it up for our Flyers). Will Ibi be the second coming of Sibert, or the second coming of Mickey Perry? No one knows for sure yet, but trusted observers (Bucky, and others) figure him to have a great impact this year. I’ll trust the observers who’ve seen Ibi and the rest here on campus.

I certainly trust Palm’s projections more than most, but I definitely think his First Four prediction has a lot of “wait and see” in it. For my part, I can’t wait to see!
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Using last year as a guide, VCU was a #8 seed in the NCAA, while UD was a #5 seed in the NIT. On paper, both should be better this year, but VCU is the proven commodity at this point.
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The press and talking heads are always going to be in a "what have you done for me lately" mode. We could have changed the whole narrative by winning two close games against VCU.
Also reversing a pathetic A10 Tourney loss to SLU. And finally an NIT loss to Colorado.

Realty can leave a sting for a long time. We have to earn the respect. We were very good a getting close last season.
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As you all know, I’m really a volleyball fan that follows UD Men’s b-ball in the “off-season”, so forgive another vball comment. I’ve been looking at Vball’s OOC schedule and trying to learn everything I can about the opponents to see if UD has a realistic shot at winning these matches. There are 14 teams to review. It’s a HUGE undertaking. Not hours of looking up and reading websites...days. And, I’m not done yet. So imagine someone who isn't a fan of the A10 teams and only watched a handful of games over the last 3-4 years and researching the hundreds of potential recruits and those who eventually sign with a school, etc. Then take that times every conference the person previews. It’s massive amounts of website page clicks. The only way I can think to do it at the level of expertise some of you appear to think these National writers should have, is to have 2-3 fans or people like Chris R who they could call for each team to find out “on-the-ground” info on each team. That’s 200-300 phone calls to cover 100 teams. It’s a lot to have that level of knowledge. Instead you get the 20,000 foot view and that puts Dayton in the 3rd-4th finish prediction right now.
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Well embedded moles in Ohio believe Dayton may have three transfers --- Rodney Chatman (UTC), Ibi Watson (Michigan), and Jordy Tshimanga (Nebraska) --- in its 19-20 starting five. Add Jalen Crutcher and Obi Toppin and that's a Top 40 team.
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I don’t see Chatman starting, but I agree with the rest. I actually think if things break just right we will be a T25 team after Maui.
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I think the biggest challenge Coach Grant has this year is chemistry and balancing egos with only so many minutes to go around.

The 4 transfers coming in this year didn't come to UD to play limited minutes off the bench. We've got 2 seniors who've given the heart, soul and their body to the Flyers for the last 4-5 years. We've got a sophomore who was a borderline Top 100 player out of school.

Something is gonna have to give. Chemistry and culture sounded like it was great last year but in today's world of 900+ transfers a year can you keep people happy if they don't get what they want.
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I don’t see Chatman starting, but I agree with the rest. I actually think if things break just right we will be a T25 team after Maui.
I think that's a fair assessment, but we have to start better in Maui than we started last season in Charleston. That 1-2 record included a win over what turned out to be fools gold by a season long struggling Butler. A great effort against a superb Virginia club, which goes down as a L. And finally a loss to a melting OU which went through a 4-9 stretch in the schedule, and never lived up to it's pre-season billing.

We really need a 2-1 showing in Maui to keep from fighting up hill all season. We face St Mary's after Maui, but that's better than Miss St/Auburn/Tulsa last year.

We have a chance to make an early mark. Let's do it.
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That is a lot of "new blood" to be able to gel into a top team early, if it is even true. But I like the mystery of what we are about to behold. I'm excited.
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Breaking: BYU basketball star Yoeli Childs will miss the first 9 games of the 2019-20 season due to an alleged paperwork snafu when he declared for the NBA draft last May, then decided to return to BYU after testing the waters.

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As we all know, when it comes to the NCAA, it's all about the kids.
Childs needs Tubby Smith's magical fax

You've heard about it by now, right? The Immaculate Fax, missing for seven months, that Smith suddenly discovered? According to Smith, the fax that was lost on an airplane, or else it was lost on his desk, or maybe both -- oh, don't bother the man with the details of a coherent explanation -- has now been found. Whoever said miracles are easily explained?

The bottom line is that the fax materialized in Randolph Morris' -- and Kentucky's -- hour of acute need. It helped the 6-foot-10 center regain his eligibility for the second half of this season after he'd been suspended for the entire year just last week.

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That's ignoring the impact of floor spacing. Obi isn't going to be able to take advantage of his size if the paint is clogged up from the 4 & 5 spots. We ran into trouble with this with Cunningham at the 5 and Obi at the 4 last season.
That will be the beauty of pairing Obi and Ryan at the 3 and 4 slots. Both of them are capable of sliding out to hit the deep ball, which will give Jordy lots of opportunities to dominate down low, 1-on-1, against a smaller opponent, with less help defense. The offense just needs to be drawn up to take advantage of those matchups/situations.
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That will be the beauty of pairing Obi and Ryan at the 3 and 4 slots. Both of them are capable of sliding out to hit the deep ball, which will give Jordy lots of opportunities to dominate down low, 1-on-1, against a smaller opponent, with less help defense. The offense just needs to be drawn up to take advantage of those matchups/situations.
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Jordy Tshimanga will have to contend with St. Mary’s 7’1” 250 Jock Perry, 7’3” 265 Aaron Menzies and 6’10” 240 Mathias Tass. Georgia with 6’11” 245 Rodney Howard. Colorado with 7’0” 235 Dallas Walton and 6’10 240 Frank Ryder. Do I need to give more examples? He will not be playing against smaller opponents in every game. How about, let’s say, in every important game, he will be playing people as big or bigger than himself.
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