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If Dayton gets Obi Toppin back, look out. Flyers are expected to return three double-figure scorers and add FOUR transfers; Jordy Tshimanga (Nebraska), Ibi Watson (Michigan), Rodney Chatman (Chattanooga), & Chase Johnson (Florida). Won 21 last season and made NIT.
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If Dayton gets Obi Toppin back, look out. Flyers are expected to return three double-figure scorers and add FOUR transfers; Jordy Tshimanga (Nebraska), Ibi Watson (Michigan), Rodney Chatman (Chattanooga), & Chase Johnson (Florida). Won 21 last season and made NIT.
We don't really know what the fours guys that have been sitting on the bench for a year can do. I guess we can hope! Obi coming back is the key to next year for sure.
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We know a lot about what they can do. Theyíll be loaded if Obi comes back and health and injuries donít wreak havoc. Expectations rightfully so will be very high for next year. This looks to be the best talent top to bottom UD has had in any year since Iíve been following them.
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One thing for certain, barring a barrage of injuries, is the Flyers will have a whole lot more depth for a change. This will allow Coach Grant to turn up the heat defensively and demonstrate what a Grant-led defense really looks like! We have not seen that because of tired bodies and the fear of fouling out key players.
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Obi certainly is a key piece of the puzzle, but at the next level a healthy Jhery Matos is pretty important as well. This kid is mature, experienced and a playa. There are a number of players who can really bring the juice, but of course Obi stirs the stew.
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Obi certainly is a key piece of the puzzle, but at the next level a healthy Jhery Matos is pretty important as well. This kid is mature, experienced and a playa. There are a number of players who can really bring the juice, but of course Obi stirs the stew.
I think you are right, SDF. I think Obi could be looking at a 20 point/10 rebound average this year and a likely POY in the A-10 if that happens. I am trying to think the last time we had a player average 20 points per game. Maybe Negele?
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Obi's minutes will go down due to our depth so I'm looking for 15/8 from him. Crutcher's numbers will go down, too. There won't be many 38 minute games from anyone next season...30 might be the max for our returners.
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Meanwhile, looks as if the Spurs are first up with regard to the NBA’s Obi workouts.
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Obi's minutes will go down due to our depth so I'm looking for 15/8 from him. Crutcher's numbers will go down, too. There won't be many 38 minute games from anyone next season...30 might be the max for our returners.
Obi could still average 20 points and 10 rebounds while only getting 30 minutes! Crutcher's numbers will likely go down.
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It wouldn't hurt my feelings if some key players played 38 minutes against the tough A10 teams like Davidson and VCU, or even some of the tougher road games. Many coaches do it. There comes a time when all players are not equal in spite of the desire to get everyone their 20 minutes. Depth and development can take a back seat occasionally when a key W is ripe for the picking.
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I think Crutcher getting fewer minutes and having some help on the perimeter is gonna make a difference for him

I felt like if the post got taken away he had to be the guy to make something happen especially late in the shot clock

I'm curious if Obi can get a 30+ point game on one of the buy game opponents or a Fordham.
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I think Crutcher getting fewer minutes and having some help on the perimeter is gonna make a difference for him

I felt like if the post got taken away he had to be the guy to make something happen especially late in the shot clock

I'm curious if Obi can get a 30+ point game on one of the buy game opponents or a Fordham.
I will be even more curious and elated if Obi would get a 20+ or 30+point game against the likes of any of these P5 conference teams we may have to face in the Maui Invitational 11/25-27: Michigan State and Tom Izzo, Georgia and Tom Crean, Kansas and Bill Self, Virginia Tech with new coach Mike Young from Wofford and UCLA with new coach Mick Cronin from Cincinnati.

Obi's stock would go through the roof in 2020 if he comes back and that were to happen!
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I will be even more curious and elated if Obi would get a 20+ or 30+point game against the likes of any of these P5 conference teams we may have to face in the Maui Invitational 11/25-27: Michigan State and Tom Izzo, Georgia and Tom Crean, Kansas and Bill Self, Virginia Tech with new coach Mike Young from Wofford and UCLA with new coach Mick Cronin from Cincinnati.

Obi's stock would go through the roof in 2020 if he comes back and that were to happen!
All the more reason for him to come back if his likelihood of being drafted in the 1st Round isnít almost 100%.
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I'm not sure if anyone else noticed, but Crutcher's defense got much better in the last 5-8 minutes of our bigger games as he emptied the tank. (And often, in the final 2-3 minutes the tank was just empty.) Earlier in games he seemed to be thinking about being careful to not over-exert himself. I think if he plays 30 minutes we'll see a much different type of player.
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Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer View Post
We know a lot about what they can do. Theyíll be loaded if Obi comes back and health and injuries donít wreak havoc. Expectations rightfully so will be very high for next year. This looks to be the best talent top to bottom UD has had in any year since Iíve been following them.
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I don't think we will know until they have hit the floor a few times together come fall....all we have now are hopes and dreams.
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I don't think we will know until they have hit the floor a few times together come fall....all we have now are hopes and dreams.
This is every year, so I certainly donít disagree. But Marysville is also correct. The guys compete in the gym everyday. They know whatís being put together and coming. I believe Obi when he says we have a starting five and then over on the bench we have another starting five.

If we remain healthy, we are loaded. And there are another 10 months or so until the 2020 Dance. Months of going at it with each other pushing each other to get better. Iíve seen teams with a boatload of talent forget they had to work hard and get better because they did have more talent than other A10 teams. So they thought they could just show up and win. Doesnít work that way anymore. You have to continue to work hard and stay together as a team or you will get beat. With all the guys in the gym that expect to get playing time because of their talent level, I expect competition for that playing time is fierce and everyone will be working to get better everyday. It should be a fun year.
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Thanks for the link. I met AG and Darren a couple of weeks ago in the Cincinnati airport as they were on my plane down to Ft Lauderdale. Very nice guy. They were on recruiting trip (I believe they offered a 2020 recruit). I really believe Chatman and Watson are going to play large roles next season.
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The transfers got a lot of attention and rightfully so but I'm most interested in what kind of leap Cohill and Matos make next season, especially on the offense end.

AG is a defensive minded coach so I wonder if one of them sneaks into the starting line up in a sort of defensive stopper role
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Surprises are on the way with several players

I look for the most impact to come from Jhery Matos. Added strength over the season off, and 23 years old. Mature and savvy.

Then Rodney Chatman is another to watch for with 2 very productive D1 basketball seasons's under his belt. Mature beyond his age with solid stats his Soph year. I think he is more ready to breakout than Cohill.

Third would be Ryan Mikesell. He also will be 23 next season and physically repaired and stronger. Mature and will fill up the stat line.

And last, Ibi Watson is the sleeper. Will be 22 before the A10 starts and freaky athletic.


The operative word here is "mature" for all the above. We are not hanging our hat on scrubbed Freshman. These are players that have serious upside due to their age and experience, and except for Ryan that experience was with other programs.
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Could not agree more, SDF. Nothing beats experience. AG will only have one true freshman in Sossoko and he will only be asked to rebound and protect the rim in limited minutes.

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I look for the most impact to come from Jhery Matos. Added strength over the season off, and 23 years old. Mature and savvy.

Then Rodney Chatman is another to watch for with 2 very productive D1 basketball seasons's under his belt. Mature beyond his age with solid stats his Soph year. I think he is more ready to breakout than Cohill.

Third would be Ryan Mikesell. He also will be 23 next season and physically repaired and stronger. Mature and will fill up the stat line.

And last, Ibi Watson is the sleeper. Will be 22 before the A10 starts and freaky athletic.


The operative word here is "mature" for all the above. We are not hanging our hat on scrubbed Freshman. These are players that have serious upside due to their age and experience, and except for Ryan that experience was with other programs.
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An offseason Q and A with @DaytonMBB assistant coach Darren Hertz, who talks about how the newcomers with help the Flyers and how increased depth will make a difference next season

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Sam Vecenie of The Athletic wrote last week that the wide-open nature of this draft pool is leading more collegians to take a shot at it. Fraschilla also points to the G League’s improved salaries and affiliations with NBA teams as an avenue that’s become more enticing for those on the fence.

“The fact you can basically get pro coaching, you’re in a pro system and your team is connected to an NBA franchise allows you to be as prepared for the NBA as if you had played another year of college,” Fraschilla says. “That has changed over the last five years.”

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Kellan Grady and Jon Axel Gudmundsson will return to Davidson next season, per Bob McKillop. Both were early entrants in the 2019 NBA Draft.

Next season will be a bounce back year for the Atlantic 10. VCU, Davidson, and Dayton --- if Obi Toppin returns --- all have the chops to be Top 25 teams.
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No Ibi Watson? Who do you think is Rothstein's source for this list?
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No Ibi Watson? Who do you think is Rothstein's source for this list?
I think he just looks at box scores and bases it off of that

Watson has the least production of the 3 fall eligible transfers at their prior school
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No Ibi Watson? Who do you think is Rothstein's source for this list?
Rothstein is clueless.
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I assume he came up with the SL guess off the cuff, cut him some slack.

A much more likely starting 5: Crutcher, Watson, Landers, Mikesell, Toppin.

Depending on his recovery, I could easily see Matos instead of Ibi. Contemplating the starting lineup makes JD's departure even more of a head-scratcher. Even as Watson/Matos/Chatham started eating away at his minutes I still think JD would've started the rest of his career as a Flyer.
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I assume he came up with the SL guess off the cuff, cut him some slack.

A much more likely starting 5: Crutcher, Watson, Landers, Mikesell, Toppin.

Depending on his recovery, I could easily see Matos instead of Ibi. Contemplating the starting lineup makes JD's departure even more of a head-scratcher. Even as Watson/Matos/Chatham started eating away at his minutes I still think JD would've started the rest of his career as a Flyer.
If you replace Tshimanga for Landers I think you have the starting five and, no, I donít believe J. Davis would have started next year if he stuck around. I donít think it matters because I see most guys (except for Sissoko) in the 12-30 minute range next year depending on fouls, match ups, and nagging injuries.
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I'm curious about how well Jordy and Obi will work together. I feel like last year Josh didn't really fit with Obi out there

It'll be interesting to see if they try to do some more stuff with Obi on the perimeter/attacking the basket and how his game evolves
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That declaration is too simple. The other positions could be substantially better. Gotta see how it all meshes together in practice. Which by the way, might be the best Red/Blue scrimmage in ages. And maybe the toughest ticket.
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So if last years leading rebounder, who also tossed in 8.2 points per game, is our 5th starter we will not be improved.

Got it. Why are we paying Grant so much $ when we have a genius like you we could have hired for minimum wage?
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Here is a list of everyone who is staying in the NBA Draft and those who are returning to their college squads:

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So if last years leading rebounder, who also tossed in 8.2 points per game, is our 5th starter we will not be improved.

Got it. Why are we paying Grant so much $ when we have a genius like you we could have hired for minimum wage?
I actually tend to agree with the original statement. If Landers starts it better be because someone is hurt. I love his hustle and defense but he is an athlete playing basketball, heís not Kyle Davis. His minutes went way down last year when there were other options. I think if Trey starts it means we missed on one or more of our guards.
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Or it could mean Grant values the leadership and intangibles Trey brings to the court.
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Occording to Obi, we have our starting five and then another starting five over on the bench. Itís hard to believe a year ago at this time, and for a good amount of time into the season, Obi was coming off the bench. Thatís worked out pretty well for him. He was the model bench contributor. Iím expecting his leadership by example to be followed by all 11 of our scholarship players this season. They are all going to get minutes if no one redshirts, and I expect they will all win rolloís Golden poll sometime during the year.

The program has never been in better shape. Itís all good and Trey will find a way to contribute and shine with his teammates supporting and celebrating his contributions. The guys have all been competing in practice. They know what theyíve got and whatís coming and who is ahead of them on the depth chart. AG doesnít appear to be the kind of coach that leaves players hanging and wondering what their role will be. Keep working hard, pushing forward and competing and youíll get minutes.
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So if last years leading rebounder, who also tossed in 8.2 points per game, is our 5th starter we will not be improved.

Got it. Why are we paying Grant so much $ when we have a genius like you we could have hired for minimum wage?
If the transfers can't beat out Landers, I think there is a little misplaced optimism about our upgraded talent.
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Here is a list of everyone who is staying in the NBA Draft and those who are returning to their college squads:

https://watchstadium.com/news/nba-dr...ol-05-28-2019/
Yeah, Hoorah, Hooray......and Whew! Glad to hear that Obi Toppin is coming back to school for next season and to play basketball.

Now, we just need to know Chase Johnsonís status? Can he play in the out of conference games or does he need to sit until conference play?
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If the transfers can't beat out Landers, I think there is a little misplaced optimism about our upgraded talent.
This is such a simplistic view. Teams are not just individual players placed on the floor. They are functioning units and Landers has proven to be a valuable cog.
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He can play when UD's first semester is over.
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Way too much is being made of Landers starting. He could start because AG wants to start an experienced senior. He could start but get fewer minutes than someone coming off the bench. He could start at the beginning of the season and lose his starting spot later in the season. He is a tough, scrappy player, and is a valuable part of the team. I don't know why it would bother anyone if he starts, especially at the beginning of the season.
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This is such a simplistic view. Teams are not just individual players placed on the floor. They are functioning units and Landers has proven to be a valuable cog.
If the talented is upgraded, but it does not increase the "some of the whole" than there is still is misplaced optimism about the impact of the upgrade in talent. The point remains the same.

Landers doesn't need to be a starter to be a valuable cog for this team.

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He can play when UD's first semester is over.
As far as I'm aware, no announcement has been made around Chase's availability. They've submitted for a waiver.
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This is such a simplistic view. Teams are not just individual players placed on the floor. They are functioning units and Landers has proven to be a valuable cog.

Yes, a valuable cog in a less talented team.
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Way too much is being made of Landers starting. He could start because AG wants to start an experienced senior. He could start but get fewer minutes than someone coming off the bench. He could start at the beginning of the season and lose his starting spot later in the season. He is a tough, scrappy player, and is a valuable part of the team. I don't know why it would bother anyone if he starts, especially at the beginning of the season.
I don't care who starts, I just hate the "he's a senior leader with intangibles" BS. That gets you four years of free college and a framed jersey.

You put the 5 players on the court that give you the best chance to win, period, hard stop. I have seen multiple posts form people who say they have seen practice and Ibi is one of if not the best player on the team. I am guessing nobody is putting Trey in that category.
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Love me some Trey. He needs to improve the jump shot or shoot less, but I love his energy and willingness to do the dirty work. He's the perfect guy to come off the bench and bring that energy (as a captain).

Keep in mind, the starting 5 doesn't have to be your best 5. The only time your best 5 needs to be out there are in the closing minutes of a close game.

My 2 cents (it's early - I'll change most likely change my mind)

Starting:
Crutcher
Ibi
Matos
Mikesell
Obi

Bench
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Landers
Chase
Jordy

To me there is a balance of athleticism, length and shooting. Not to say you operate in hockey style line changes, but I think this helps create balance. Chase could easily be one of our top 5 and I think he would pair well with Obi at the end of games.

And this says nothing of Sissoko. I would love him to come in and play so well that Grant has to find him minutes. But I don't think we need that to happen to be successful.
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I don't care who starts, I just hate the "he's a senior leader with intangibles" BS. That gets you four years of free college and a framed jersey.

You put the 5 players on the court that give you the best chance to win, period, hard stop. I have seen multiple posts form people who say they have seen practice and Ibi is one of if not the best player on the team. I am guessing nobody is putting Trey in that category.
Sometimes, senior leadership gives you the best chance to win as that senior can make everyone else better. Sometimes you need guys who can light it up. There will be games where you need the leadership at the end. Basically, we are all speculating. You just don't know, with better floor spacing Trey may come alive to be more of a points guy.
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So if last years leading rebounder, who also tossed in 8.2 points per game, is our 5th starter we will not be improved.

Got it. Why are we paying Grant so much $ when we have a genius like you we could have hired for minimum wage?
He's also a senior, and other than Mikesell has more experience than any player on the roster.
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If the talented is upgraded, but it does not increase the "some of the whole" than there is still is misplaced optimism about the impact of the upgrade in talent. The point remains the same.

Landers doesn't need to be a starter to be a valuable cog for this team.
And increasing the sum of the whole has zero to do with whether TL starts or not. And I see Obi as a stretch 4 since thatís what heíll likely be at the next level so so I see little of him as the 5 with the lineup flexibility we have. Gotta believe JT gets the start and lots of minutes at the 5.

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And increasing the sum of the whole has zero to do with whether TL starts or not. And I see Obi as a stretch 4 since thatís what heíll likely be at the next level so so I see little of him as the 5 with the lineup flexibility we have. Gotta believe JT gets the start and lots of minutes at the 5.

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And increasing the sum of the whole has zero to do with whether TL starts or not. And I see Obi as a stretch 4 since thatís what heíll likely be at the next level so so I see little of him as the 5 with the lineup flexibility we have. Gotta believe JT gets the start and lots of minutes at the 5.

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Ideally Obi is a 4. But JT isn't going to be a heavy minutes guy. I know he's had time for his game to mature, but in his 2 years at Nebraska he shot under 46% both years and averaged a foul every 6 minutes. His game needs to mature a lot to see significant playing time. He needs to be more efficient and foul less.

Reality is that there is probably 20 minutes or more available at the 5. Obi and Chase can fill it. Sissoko is the unknown for minutes at the 5.

I see Obi getting minutes at the 5 every game.
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Ideally Obi is a 4. But JT isn't going to be a heavy minutes guy. I know he's had time for his game to mature, but in his 2 years at Nebraska he shot under 46% both years and averaged a foul every 6 minutes. His game needs to mature a lot to see significant playing time. He needs to be more efficient and foul less.

Reality is that there is probably 20 minutes or more available at the 5. Obi and Chase can fill it. Sissoko is the unknown for minutes at the 5.

I see Obi getting minutes at the 5 every game.
Obi will also being jumping tip every game as well. Even if it's only for a few minutes and then they bring Jordy in, I think he starts at the 5. However, with Jordy, Sissoko, and Chase all possibly filling minutes at the 5, Obi will get plenty of opportunity to get the ball on the perimeter, in space, as well as get fed down low. In short, we'll see Obi all over the floor as we see what the defense opens up.
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Obi will also being jumping tip every game as well. Even if it's only for a few minutes and then they bring Jordy in, I think he starts at the 5. However, with Jordy, Sissoko, and Chase all possibly filling minutes at the 5, Obi will get plenty of opportunity to get the ball on the perimeter, in space, as well as get fed down low. In short, we'll see Obi all over the floor as we see what the defense opens up.

There is no rule that your center has to jump tip, both Jordy and Obi can start, and Obi can jump tip every game if that is what CAG decides is best.
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There is no rule that your center has to jump tip, both Jordy and Obi can start, and Obi can jump tip every game if that is what CAG decides is best.
Isn't that what we did this year when Obi and Josh started. Obi jumped but Josh really played the 5.
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By the end of the year both Landers and Mikesell may not start. While everyone is competitive and wants to play as much as possible, IF both are not starting that only means we have some real studs starting. What I see from both the seniors as team leaders, they will do whatever is best for the team to win. Both are quality men.
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For me, I'm curious to see how this season plays out because now AG has his guys in there save Landers and Mikesell so we get to see exactly how he wants them to play and execute as a team

From the DDN article where Jablonski interviewed Darren Hertz he said the team wanted to play faster, be more aggressive on defense and even if guys earn go deeper into the rotation. A deep rotation and playing fast is not something AG has done in the past so it'll be interesting to see how he's evolved as a coach

I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere but this season with the added depth and experience is going to interesting chemistry wise. Everyone one of those transfers came to Dayton to play. I'm sure everyone returning believes they're capable of playing major minutes. Team seemed like they had good chemistry this year, can that culture/chemistry continue when there's a bunch of upperclassmen who want minutes
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And increasing the sum of the whole has zero to do with whether TL starts or not. And I see Obi as a stretch 4 since thatís what heíll likely be at the next level so so I see little of him as the 5 with the lineup flexibility we have. Gotta believe JT gets the start and lots of minutes at the 5.

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I think we fans were spoiled to death with the superb footwork and infinite number of ways Josh could finish around the basket. Jordy may indeed help us this season but playing the 5 the way Josh could might not be in the cards for him immediately. Right now I don't see him starting or playing more than 12 to 15 minutes. I sincerely hope you are right and Jordy proves me wrong but Josh coming in from Bradley was twice the player Jordy is coming from his situation at Nebraska. Some tools in his bucket, but more that need to be proven under pressure.
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The one thing Jordy has going for him is size. Outside of Maui, he might be the biggest guy on the court in just about every other game next season. Now, that Holloway is gone from UMass I would think he's the biggest guy in the A10

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By the end of the year both Landers and Mikesell may not start. While everyone is competitive and wants to play as much as possible, IF both are not starting that only means we have some real studs starting. What I see from both the seniors as team leaders, they will do whatever is best for the team to win. Both are quality men.
If at the end of the year (or at any part of the year) Mikesell is not a starter either 1) something has gone terribly wrong or 2) we have filled both of the open ships with extremely talented and experienced players that are eligible to play this year.
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For me, I'm curious to see how this season plays out because now AG has his guys in there save Landers and Mikesell so we get to see exactly how he wants them to play and execute as a team

From the DDN article where Jablonski interviewed Darren Hertz he said the team wanted to play faster, be more aggressive on defense and even if guys earn go deeper into the rotation. A deep rotation and playing fast is not something AG has done in the past so it'll be interesting to see how he's evolved as a coach

I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere but this season with the added depth and experience is going to interesting chemistry wise. Everyone one of those transfers came to Dayton to play. I'm sure everyone returning believes they're capable of playing major minutes. Team seemed like they had good chemistry this year, can that culture/chemistry continue when there's a bunch of upperclassmen who want minutes
I totally agree. This Flyer team may have more talent on it than any team in recent history (everyone can decide what is recent) but how well they play together will make all the difference. There will be at least 2 new starters in the line-up. Less minutes for some. I am optimistic but getting the buy in from everyone may be CAG's biggest challenge.
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Iím not worried about chemistry. These guys have been in the gym together for a year (Chase and the freshman being the exception) and they know where they stand and what they are working to improve. I expect everyone to get minutes. Iím expecting AG to challenge everyone to go all-out every minute they are on the court because this team can interchange parts like Iíve never seen. I think all these guys have already bought into that plan. And ironically, the two seniors, who could very well take the biggest hit in game minutes, I would expect to lead by example. Everyone was waiting on Obiís decision, but I donít think it changes anything chemistry-wise and team-first wise. I think everyone is all-in and itís about running opponents off the court with our depth of talent.

And for the record...I expect Obi will be shooting more 3ís, blocking more shots and slamming 100+ dunks this season - breaking Chris Wrightís career dunks mark of 177 in only 2 years. You heard it first here.

Only question I have is how big the numbers will be from Ibi and Chase.
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If at the end of the year (or at any part of the year) Mikesell is not a starter either 1) something has gone terribly wrong or 2) we have filled both of the open ships with extremely talented and experienced players that are eligible to p lay this year.
I doubt whether we fill either of the two open ships. That being said, I feel that Mikesell will be such a crucial player in the Flyers success because of his experience, savvy and court sense that he should and will be a starter!

hawkoooo, I feel that we are in agreement! Mikesell has had enough bad luck already with having to have two hip surgeries that I don't even want to think about anything else gone terribly wrong! I pray he has a successful, injury free senior year! The fact that he shoots 80% to 85% from the free throw line is just icing on the cake!

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If at the end of the year (or at any part of the year) Mikesell is not a starter either 1) something has gone terribly wrong or 2) we have filled both of the open ships with extremely talented and experienced players that are eligible to play this year.
Itís not out of the realm of possibility that Crutcher, Chatman, Watson, Obi and Jordy start. Or, crutcher, Watson (or Chatman), Johnson, Obi, and Jordy start at some point during the season.

Not advocating for Mikesell to not start...heís one of my favorite players and brings a lot to the table. Iím just suggesting that AG may already have extremely talented and experienced players and doesnít need to fill the two open spots to find them.

Mikesell should definitely begin the year as a starter but Johnson was a top 100 recruit...those kind of guys can sometimes force themselves into the starting lineupójust like Obi did this past year. Nothing terribly wrong with that!
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Itís not out of the realm of possibility that Crutcher, Chatman, Watson, Obi and Jordy start. Or, crutcher, Watson (or Chatman), Johnson, Obi, and Jordy start at some point during the season.

Not advocating for Mikesell to not start...heís one of my favorite players and brings a lot to the table. Iím just suggesting that AG may already have extremely talented and experienced players and doesnít need to fill the two open spots to find them.

Mikesell should definitely begin the year as a starter but Johnson was a top 100 recruit...those kind of guys can sometimes force themselves into the starting lineupójust like Obi did this past year. Nothing terribly wrong with that!
Ok let's play this out. I assume you'll agree Chatman has no impact on Ryan starting. Jordy could start and Obi could slide to the "4." So what? Ryan would still start at the 3 in that scenario. Ok so that leaves Chase. You realize he isn't eligible until A10 play right? I assume you watched us play last year, notice any super consistent players outside of Mikesell and Obi? Me either. He's a RS SR with more experience than anyone on the team and other than Obi was pretty much the only shining light last year.

Look I get we're deep in the off season, but some of these posts are getting loopy. Most of this board seems to think JD would've lost his starting spot too and that's why he left. Bollocks I think but we'll never know. Like I said if Ryan isn't starting he's hurt and that means we've a lot more to worry about than who's in the starting lineup. If he's healthy his name will be announced over the PA every game during introductions, believe that.
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Chase Johnson might be eligible at the start of the season. UD is petitioning the NCAA to allow him to be eligible at the beginning of the year. If he isnít, he will be eligible once the first semester ends, which will be mid-December (I think it is Friday the 13th when classes officially end but Iím not positive). He should at a minimum be able to play a couple games before A10 play begins, including against Colorado in Chicago.

These are darn good problems to have - we will have multiple guys good enough to start for the first time since Grant took over. Guys will be pushing each other for minutes. To me, the flexibility is a huge thing, and if guys are close to as good as advertised, we ought to have a couple of options of players who can create their own shot: Crutcher, Chatman, Obi, Ibi should all fit the bill in one form of another.

Anyway, hereís hoping Chase can play all season long for the Flyers. Heís going to be hard to keep off the court if healthy.
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This yearís team should be called ďinterchangeable partsĒ. We are going to see lots of combinations on the floor. Opponents are going to have their hands full just scouting us and trying to replicate 10-11 different players in practice. (The norm is 3-4 key players preparing for a game - figuring out how to contain them and make the role players beat you.) All 10 of our returning players bring very talented, unique skills. Obiís got it right...we have 10 starters on this team - and they are interchangeable parts.

Weíre stacked and I believe AG & Co. have already set the table for this team and have re-set expectations from 25-30 minutes a game to 15-20 minutes a game as the winning formula for this group. Its a new dynamic, but I believe everyone has already bought in. The goals are still the same...win everything in the A10 (regular season and tournament) and go deep into the NCAAs. If the team accomplishes that, Obi wonít be the only player testing the NBA draft next year. Everyone of our guys would love to play at the pro level somewhere. I donít think you can underestimate the value of having a HC who has coached in the NBA. Itís the key to having 10-11 guys believing less game minutes and being fresh when you are in the game will result in more wins, which will create buzz about this team, which will mean more eyes watching this team, which includes more pro scouts, which gives them the best chance to be seen and increases their opportunity to play at the next level.

AGís interchangeable parts is NOT youíre daddyís BG substitution game plan.
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This yearís team should be called ďinterchangeable partsĒ. We are going to see lots of combinations on the floor. Opponents are going to have their hands full just scouting us and trying to replicate 10-11 different players in practice. (The norm is 3-4 key players preparing for a game - figuring out how to contain them and make the role players beat you.) All 10 of our returning players bring very talented, unique skills. Obiís got it right...we have 10 starters on this team - and they are interchangeable parts.

Weíre stacked and I believe AG & Co. have already set the table for this team and have re-set expectations from 25-30 minutes a game to 15-20 minutes a game as the winning formula for this group. Its a new dynamic, but I believe everyone has already bought in. The goals are still the same...win everything in the A10 (regular season and tournament) and go deep into the NCAAs. If the team accomplishes that, Obi wonít be the only player testing the NBA draft next year. Everyone of our guys would love to play at the pro level somewhere. I donít think you can underestimate the value of having a HC who has coached in the NBA. Itís the key to having 10-11 guys believing less game minutes and being fresh when you are in the game will result in more wins, which will create buzz about this team, which will mean more eyes watching this team, which includes more pro scouts, which gives them the best chance to be seen and increases their opportunity to play at the next level.

AGís interchangeable parts is NOT youíre daddyís BG substitution game plan.
BeckysTXA: I was getting a little concerned with your 15-20 minutes per game concept until your last sentence. I do not want to see Obi coming out due to a "scripted substitution plan" under any circumstances. That approach cost us too many games over too many years and I want that approach put to death forever.
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I donít see anything about Mantos. I think he will play an important role next year.
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Chase Johnson might be eligible at the start of the season. UD is petitioning the NCAA to allow him to be eligible at the beginning of the year. If he isnít, he will be eligible once the first semester ends, which will be mid-December (I think it is Friday the 13th when classes officially end but Iím not positive). He should at a minimum be able to play a couple games before A10 play begins, including against Colorado in Chicago.


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Maybe the University can end the first semester early this year. Like say November 1st. Then there would be no need for a petition. Be glad UD is not like some other schools whose fall semester does not end till mid-January.
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BeckysTXA: I was getting a little concerned with your 15-20 minutes per game concept until your last sentence. I do not want to see Obi coming out due to a "scripted substitution plan" under any circumstances. That approach cost us too many games over too many years and I want that approach put to death forever.
I agree. There will be players who get 30+ minutes when we need it, but last year players HAD to go to long night after night. They did that for as long as they could, but I think we wore out the last two weeks or so. It will be nice to always have fresh legs in the game this season. I just think we will see a more even distribution of minutes with this group spread between up to 10 players. I donít think youíll have 20-35 minutes for 6 players and everyone else at 5-7 minutes. We are deep and I think AG will utilize all his talent to run opponents off the court.
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There are multiple threads dissecting the Flyers many options. I don't think Jhery Matos is overlooked, but every player on the roster can make a contribution.
Many agree with you, myself included. If he is healthy, Jhery will get his headlines and accolades this season. His age, maturity and experience will really help us.
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My post presumes Chase's eligibility does not start at the beginning of the season. Obviously that could change things.

I left Matos out because we unfortunately have such a small sample size of his game and he's coming off a season-ending injury. Not to mention he's way more of a guard than Ryan. So I hope he plays a huge role this season, but don't see how that would impact whether Mikesell starts, that's all.
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Equal talent of 10 bodies should translate to equal minutes (roughly).
Fresh bodies at the end translates to wins...ask Boeheim who said
"The Flyers just ran us off the court!"
If everyone buys into AGs' plan and sticks with it we should be in for a nice ride.
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My post presumes Chase's eligibility does not start at the beginning of the season. Obviously that could change things.

I left Matos out because we unfortunately have such a small sample size of his game and he's coming off a season-ending injury. Not to mention he's way more of a guard than Ryan. So I hope he plays a huge role this season, but don't see how that would impact whether Mikesell starts, that's all.
In my previous post I outlined a scenario where Chatman starts at the two and Watson starts at the three with Obi at four. Iím not advocating that but you should at least acknowledge the possibility of that. And, I never said Mikesell wouldnít start the year starting but I still believe Johnson could take Ryanís spot at some point
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Outside of Crutcher and Obi I wouldn't be surprised at anyone starting in the other 3 spots save Sissoko

I'd love for Chase to be eligible day one but I'm holding my breath with the NCAA. If he comes in 2nd semester that'll be interesting to see how he gets worked into the rotation.
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Jordy's got the size that on the defensive end he might be able to make life hard for the post players in the A10 like Michael Hughes, French at STL, Langevine, Golden and Osunniyi

I'm not sure where his offensive game is going to be but some post defense and rebounding would be a valuable contribution.

Losing Josh opens up a hole in rebounding and I'm not sure I've seen anyone mention rebounding as much as offensive ability about getting into the starting line up. Maybe Jordy or Trey's rebounding ability get them a spot.
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Don't write off Trey yet

I think presumably having more people in the mix who score this year can let Trey be a junkyard dog. Someone who scores off of put bucks, rebounds, sets picks/screens, boxes out, etc. A guy who does the dirty work

He's limited offensively and not someone I'd want taking 10 shots in a game but he's got a role to play
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In my previous post I outlined a scenario where Chatman starts at the two and Watson starts at the three with Obi at four. Iím not advocating that but you should at least acknowledge the possibility of that. And, I never said Mikesell wouldnít start the year starting but I still believe Johnson could take Ryanís spot at some point
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Ok, that is really funny.

But let's not lose sight of why Chase is with us. He has not proven that he can stay healthy.
I would think he will see action in small bites, and not start even though he proved at Florida he was starting material. Great kid with huge upside.
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How do I know itís gonna be a great and special year? When our arguments are over which of 9-10 players is gonna start and no one (other than maddog and UDscott ) now still want AG fired.

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Tad Boyle tells me that Colorado's December 7th game at Kansas is the start of a home-and-home series.

That plus a December game against Dayton in Chicago should equal two non-conference Quad 1 opportunities for Colorado.
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The Flyers will not be a top 25 team at the start of the season.
Top 25 is not awarded based on "hype"...which has been voluminous at UD Pride...especially since Obi announced his return.
Should the Flyers do well in Maui, that should get enough votes by coaches and the press to break into the top 25 club. Typically, magazines like Athlon and Lindy's give UD basketball good preseason reviews, but again, hype doesn't get much attention unless you're Duke, Kentucky, Kansas or one of the other dozen perennial powers.
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As long as they are at the end of the season...
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