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Old 01-27-2018, 05:59 PM
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AG zero time outs, r u serious ? That's an absolute embarrassment

I gotta hear you homers defend this one, UD had two possessions in the last 45 secs of first half in a use or lose time out situation and he calls zero
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Old 01-27-2018, 06:01 PM
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Omg did u just hear that, the CBS ANNOUNCER just said blame this loss on AG
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Old 01-27-2018, 06:05 PM
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Well at least you can have a good rest of the weekend now anyway so that should make you happy.
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I will say SLU had two big runs and AG did not call TO during either. In fact, AG didn't call a single time out in the second half. I cannot understand that in any way.
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I don't know how anyone could be happy with the coaching in that game
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Don't ever listen to Tim Doyle OR udscott lol
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Yeah we lost because he didn't lose any timeouts... I have seen it all haha good lord
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Old 01-27-2018, 06:21 PM
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As someone on twitter observed, why not call a TO & put Cunningham in for the last play of the 1st half
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Old 01-27-2018, 06:26 PM
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missed the game...but is this true? no timeouts at all?

i get theres the media/tv timeouts...but man. not even a timeout to correct/get in some grills to motivate?

seems odd.
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If Grant was a first time head coach, we would blame it on being part of the learning curve. With this being Grant's 10th season as head coach, I really don't know what to say.
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Old 01-27-2018, 06:28 PM
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11-0 STL run with about 6 mins to go and yes no t o
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Been a big AG defender this year, but zero timeouts the entire game makes me go from perplexed to baffled to angry.

Good game plan & St Louis hits 3s. But zero timeouts!?!???
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As someone on twitter observed, why not call a TO & put Cunningham in for the last play of the 1st half
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Because someone else would have ostracised CAG if Cunningham picked up an additional foul. It is not like he is a guaranteed 2 or 3 points.

I do agree that CAG seemed uninterested and it appeared to reflect in his teams play.
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Because someone else would have ostracised CAG if Cunningham picked up an additional foul. It is not like he is a guaranteed 2 or 3 points.

I do agree that CAG seemed uninterested and it appeared to reflect in his teams play.
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Atrocious, and inexcusable coaching today. We had no plan to counter anything. The rose-colored glasses can't and won't work after games like this. Face it, this one is on Grant.
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Awful coaching today. Grant's substitution and rotations have been bad all season.
Zero encouraging signs that this program is headed in the right direction.
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Grant simply has no idea when to call a timeout. He gives up huge runs all the time. Over the last 3 games he has let 5 runs of more than 9 points by the opponent go without calling a timeout. And there are more than that from the rest of the season. This isn't the NBA. They're college players and a coach needs to help them. AG doesn't do that. Just read the tweet I linked.

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Don’t know how anyone can defend our coach after the track record of refusing to call timeouts. Too many people on here are blind and it’s mostly the reason I hardly ever visit this site anymore. I was never happy with this hire. These players are too good to be a sub .500 team. Please no one tell me different. Gregory even scraped together winning seasons when the 2004 class graduated and we had nothing.

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Don't know what to say other than the fact that even though I don't have anybody on ignore I am tired of all the ****ing matches. We all know what opinions are like! The fact is this team does not play as well on the road as it does at home. Several on this forum said if we got a split in these next two road games we would still be okay. Well we have a week off before going to UMass and I think the team will learn from this defeat and get a victory there and then get revenge and defeat Duquesne at home in the following game!

I feel for Anthony Grant because his hands are tied when two or three of the starters get into foul trouble in the first half! He doesn't have a deep bench and the lead that we often have when he has to substitute quickly disappears. Crosby got a turnover for walking as soon as he came into the game! Once again lazy passes which were telegraphed contributed to the 11-0 run which doomed us! I agree a time out should have been called by AG during that run! Kostas always makes ill-advised fouls but I have to say I think the referee was wrong on his second one. He closed out and had a clean block on the ball and never touched the guy!

Trey Landers usually triggers this team. When he leads, plays well, stays out of foul trouble and gets his teammates involved we win. When he doesn't we lose. Javon Bess psyched him out a little bit today. I don't think Trey will let it happen by anyone else in the A-10 in the 9 remaining games.
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Can always call a timeout and actually, oh I don’t know, try to coach these young men. At least do something.
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Crutcher played 40 minutes. He could have used a breather.
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Not telling you that you are wrong. I am just explaining the logic. He could have been the hero, goat, or a non-factor. Judging from the 2nd half I think CAG had already resigned that game as a loss for my favorite team.
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Don't know what to say other than the fact that even though I don't have anybody on ignore I am tired of all the ****ing matches. We all know what opinions are like! The fact is this team does not play as well on the road as it does at home. Several on this forum said if we got a split in these next two road games we would still be okay. Well we have a week off before going to UMass and I think the team will learn from this defeat and get a victory there and then get revenge and defeat Duquesne at home in the following game!

I feel for Anthony Grant because his hands are tied when two or three of the starters get into foul trouble in the first half! He doesn't have a deep bench and the lead that we often have when he has to substitute quickly disappears. Crosby got a turnover for walking as soon as he came into the game! Once again lazy passes which were telegraphed contributed to the 11-0 run which doomed us! I agree a time out should have been called by AG during that run! Kostas always makes ill-advised fouls but I have to say I think the referee was wrong on his second one. He closed out and had a clean block on the ball and never touched the guy!

Trey Landers usually triggers this team. When he leads, plays well, stays out of foul trouble and gets his teammates involved we win. When he doesn't we lose. Javon Bess psyched him out a little bit today. I don't think Trey will let it happen by anyone else in the A-10 in the 9 remaining games.
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I’m a big defender of Anthony, but by not calling timeouts at strategic times in the game, the only thing I can figure is that he’s trying to teach guys how to play through adversity. He definitely wasn’t “coaching to win” today.

Not saying I agree with the strategy. Just trying to figure it out.
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I’m a big defender of Anthony, but by not calling timeouts at strategic times in the game, the only thing I can figure is that he’s trying to teach guys how to play through adversity. He definitely wasn’t “coaching to win” today.

Not saying I agree with the strategy. Just trying to figure it out.
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He tried to let guys play through adversity at Bama and we all know how that turned out.

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He tried to let guys play through adversity at Bama and we all know how that turned out.

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Yes I did but I wish I would have left that sentence out! Everyone on here has a right to his or her opinion without being judged. After the Davidson game you started a thread: Good job tonight AG! You stated that he shortened the bench and rode his best 7-8 to a victory. springborofan applauded you for posting something positive after a hard fought win. I applaud you as well because AG did pull all the right strings in that game!

I feel that you are very knowledgable about basketball. In fact I do agree that you gave this thread the correct title. AG did not use his timeouts well which may or may not have changed the outcome of the game. Whether you agree or disagree that UD made the right choice for a coach he is one of our own and we owe it to him to have enough time to get his own players in here and turn some of these losses into W's. How long? That gets into opinions again and I don't want to go there!
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Yes I did but I wish I would have left that sentence out! Everyone on here has a right to his or her opinion without being judged. After the Davidson game you started a thread: Good job tonight AG! You stated that he shortened the bench and rode his best 7-8 to a victory. springborofan applauded you for posting something positive after a hard fought win. I applaud you as well because AG did pull all the right strings in that game!

I feel that you are very knowledgable about basketball. In fact I do agree that you gave this thread the correct title. AG did not use his timeouts well which may or may not have changed the outcome of the game. Whether you agree or disagree that UD made the right choice for a coach he is one of our own and we owe it to him to have enough time to get his own players in here and turn some of these losses into W's. How long? That gets into opinions again and I don't want to go there!
The problem is that your measured post/opinion will lead to even more years of underachievement by UD. There are too many people who demand that there are no negative stories about AG. He has to be held accountable when he screws up even if he is a great person and an alumnus.
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Yes, head coaches get so caught up in the emotion of games that they forget stuff. They forget stuff like: calling time outs, time management and the availability of players. Examples: Jason Garrett, head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, for several years tried to do too much until he finally learned to delegate time management responsibility to one if his assistant coaches. Even our saintly Archie Miller admitted that he forgot that a player coming off concussion protocol, Ryan Bass, was available. He admitted this factoid in a post game interview.

I believe that Anthony Grant needs to learn from the mistakes of this game and delegate one of his clipboard carrying assistant coaches the time management responsibility.
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Gregory even scraped together winning seasons when the 2004 class graduated and we had nothing.
Actually we were 14-17 in 05-06. And after going 21-12 in 97-98, OP went 11-17 in 98-99.
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AG should take it out of his own hands. Have one of the assistant coaches or grad assistants own watching for runs and informing him to call a TO. I would rather have zero TOs left at the end of the game knowing that we used them wisely to regroup when the game started to get out of hand than have all of them left at the end when the game is out of hand.
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St Louis used 2 time outs in the first 5-8 mins of the game, stopped the bleeding and then made coaching changes which eventually led to victory
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I do agree that CAG seemed uninterested and it appeared to reflect in his teams play.

This is probably the one thing that potentially concerns me about CAG, although maybe that is just his natural demeanor. He has class, integrity, experience, a fairly decent coaching track record, etc. But he is very “calm” on the sidelines (almost too calm?), like almost the exact opposite of Archie, who is almost too intense. If we could merge CAG with Archie, we would probably have the perfect coach. LOL
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I find it hard to believe that someone who has been around basketball his entire life doesn't have a feel for when to take time outs. What seems more likely to me is that he was trying to make this a teaching moment. I'm not sure what it taught them but it sure as hell contributed to the loss. You have got to stop the bleeding. I agree with the UD Scott bashing a lot of the time but he's obviously right about this issue.

The officiating was god awful. Worst of the season IMO. Fouls #2 and #3 on Kostas were horrendous. They also missed many travelling calls and they called a phantom tie-up on one of Landers' beastly offensive rebounds that I am still scratching my head over.

The announcers were BAD. Said the same stupid catch phrases over and over. Yet even they realized AG should've been calling time outs!
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Yes, head coaches get so caught up in the emotion of games that they forget stuff. They forget stuff like: calling time outs, time management and the availability of players. Examples: Jason Garrett, head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, for several years tried to do too much until he finally learned to delegate time management responsibility to one if his assistant coaches. Even our saintly Archie Miller admitted that he forgot that a player coming off concussion protocol, Ryan Bass, was available. He admitted this factoid in a post game interview.

I believe that Anthony Grant needs to learn from the mistakes of this game and delegate one of his clipboard carrying assistant coaches the time management responsibility.
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The problem is that your measured post/opinion will lead to even more years of underachievement by UD. There are too many people who demand that there are no negative stories about AG. He has to be held accountable when he screws up even if he is a great person and an alumnus.
I don’t see how a post/opinion on a message board and the Flyers’ level of achievement in the years to come have any direct correlation. Now, if you mean that the athletics administration (or the university administration) has an attitude/approach that’s reflected by that post/opinion, and that attitude/approach could lead to underachievement by the program, then that’s a different story, and a distinct possibility. At this point, the U has 2 choices: (a) give AG some time to establish his program, or (b) fire him after less than a season with a short-handed, young team. Frankly, this program has never been run like (b), and I don’t want to see it run that way now. But I don’t want to see consistent middle-of-the-pack A-10 finishes, either. If we end the 2019-20 season without having at least one Top Four conference finish (or, if the bottom falls out before then), then it’ll be time to reconsider the direction of the program.

Also, let’s not confuse “patience with AG” and “blind allegiance to AG”. I’m willing to criticize him for not using timeouts yesterday, at appropriate times, to either allow his team to regroup or try to get the opponent to cool-off. IMHO, that was a mistake to not use ANY timeouts, and a HC in his 10th year as a HC should not make such mistakes. Period. The fact that I’m willing to criticize him shows that I don’t have blind allegiance to him. But do I want him fired as a result of that? No. That’s because I’m willing to be patient with him.
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I find it hard to believe that someone who has been around basketball his entire life doesn't have a feel for when to take time outs. What seems more likely to me is that he was trying to make this a teaching moment. I'm not sure what it taught them but it sure as hell contributed to the loss. You have got to stop the bleeding. I agree with the UD Scott bashing a lot of the time but he's obviously right about this issue.

The officiating was god awful. Worst of the season IMO. Fouls #2 and #3 on Kostas were horrendous. They also missed many travelling calls and they called a phantom tie-up on one of Landers' beastly offensive rebounds that I am still scratching my head over.

The announcers were BAD. Said the same stupid catch phrases over and over. Yet even they realized AG should've been calling time outs!
I could've written this. Totally agreed.
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I could've written this. Totally agreed.
No you couldn't have.
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It seemed like the players had taken themselves out of the game after the SLU run.
We were there. It was hard to watch.
Would time-outs have helped?? Not so sure.
Looked like they all just wanted to get it over with . . .
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I gotta hear you homers defend this one, UD had two possessions in the last 45 secs of first half in a use or lose time out situation and he calls zero
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What a burn.
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[QUOTE=udscott;532990]I gotta hear you homers defend this one, UD had two possessions in the last 45 secs of first half in a use or lose time out situation and he calls zero
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Speaking of lame, how many threads are you going to start this year concerning your perceived expert opinion of coach Anthony Grants decision making? I have a clue for you; the coach can only tell the players what to do, he can’t play all 5 positions. If one or two (or several) players mentally check out in a game or in a season, there’s not much he can do other than put out the best 5-8 players and hope the ones out there execute- and sit the rest; 1 or 2 timeouts won’t make much difference if they have checked out. Nitpicking every single decision a coach makes is easy sitting on your couch watching on your 55” screen. If this team isn’t humming along in 3 years when HIS recruits are on the floor, then maybe then we can question coach Grant’s coaching. Until then, he gets a complete pass from me. AM left. AM left an f’n mess; if you long for his coaching then follow IU. Coach Grant is my coach.
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Speaking of lame, how many threads are you going to start this year concerning your perceived expert opinion of coach Anthony Grants decision making? I have a clue for you; the coach can only tell the players what to do, he can’t play all 5 positions. If one or two (or several) players mentally check out in a game or in a season, there’s not much he can do other than put out the best 5-8 players and hope the ones out there execute- and sit the rest; 1 or 2 timeouts won’t make much difference if they have checked out. Nitpicking every single decision a coach makes is easy sitting on your couch watching on your 55” screen. If this team isn’t humming along in 3 years when HIS recruits are on the floor, then maybe then we can question coach Grant’s coaching. Until then, he gets a complete pass from me. AM left. AM left an f’n mess; if you long for his coaching then follow IU. Coach Grant is my coach.
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Guys..Tonite is a great way to get your answers from Anthony. They have a a callin number for his show. Or if you live in Dayton you can go and ask him in person.
Here is the number 937 457 1290. The location is Frickers on Woodman Dr. 7PM
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I gotta hear you homers defend this one, UD had two possessions in the last 45 secs of first half in a use or lose time out situation and he calls zero
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Miller rightly credited Haas’ 26-point impact. Vincent Edwards’ 13 second-half points were a major factor as well. Indiana’s wastefulness in the last 2 minutes ultimately turned the game for good — Miller blamed himself for not calling timeouts and coaching his team through some of those moments.

“Put it on me,” he said. “Last two minutes, we probably could’ve gotten into some timeout situations where we could’ve helped our team.”
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No burn. What did you expect? You saying that you could've written a well thought out relevant post should get the same reaction as if I would claim to be able to play basketball as well as Michael Jordan.
Yet would be closer to reality than many of your posts.

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udscott, below is directly from your hero's mouth in his post game presser after falling to Purdue yesterday. It happens everywhere...get over it:

Miller rightly credited Haas’ 26-point impact. Vincent Edwards’ 13 second-half points were a major factor as well. Indiana’s wastefulness in the last 2 minutes ultimately turned the game for good — Miller blamed himself for not calling timeouts and coaching his team through some of those moments.

“Put it on me,” he said. “Last two minutes, we probably could’ve gotten into some timeout situations where we could’ve helped our team.”
Case closed folks, it's time to go home
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Case closed folks, it's time to go home
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udscott, below is directly from your hero's mouth in his post game presser after falling to Purdue yesterday. It happens everywhere...get over it:

Miller rightly credited Haas’ 26-point impact. Vincent Edwards’ 13 second-half points were a major factor as well. Indiana’s wastefulness in the last 2 minutes ultimately turned the game for good — Miller blamed himself for not calling timeouts and coaching his team through some of those moments.

“Put it on me,” he said. “Last two minutes, we probably could’ve gotten into some timeout situations where we could’ve helped our team.”
Coach speak for, we are not on the same planet as Purdue, but timeouts at least would give the fans the impression that I was telling these inferior players some magic potion; blame me because I cannot say we have inferior players.
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And yet without the talent anywhere near the #3 team in the nation he coached them to within a 7 point loss...... It would appear that AM can still produce more from less.

I believe that is the underlying frustration in what we are seeing this year with our beloved Flyers and AG. Do we believe that AG is getting the most from the talent he has and are they improving?
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This isn't a one game issue. This is a season long issue. Grant isn't missing occasional chances to stop the bleeding and coach up the team. He's neglecting it entirely. It's so consistent I can't imagine it changing in 1-2 seasons, and I can't imagine any objective observer thinks it's good coaching. It just isn't.
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And yet without the talent anywhere near the #3 team in the nation he coached them to within a 7 point loss...... It would appear that AM can still produce more from less.

I believe that is the underlying frustration in what we are seeing this year with our beloved Flyers and AG. Do we believe that AG is getting the most from the talent he has and are they improving?
Along with losses to ISU and IPFW. You can't cherry pick the good and ignore the bad.
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Do we believe that AG is getting the most from the talent he has and are they improving?
I don't care for this thread. However, this is the type of question that I keep coming back to.

1) Are the players improving?

2) Is there evidence that the mistakes made in the first ten games have been
reduced in the second ten games?

3) Can we logically deduce that there will be continued improvement in the
team in the various attributes of the game as they enter the final third of
the year?

4) Will the manner in how the team finishes this year act as a sprng board for
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In the first half he should have called a TO because our offense was confused by their zone and not executing.

But in the second half there was no compelling reason for a TO at any point. To make the armchair QB's feel better he could have called a TO in any number of spots (10+) but it wasn't a critical thing.

Some of you are acting like there was a big run where the wheels fell off and we lost the game. It wasn't so. There were runs, we didn't execute for a few stretches, but there was no point after about the mid-point of the first half where I said "he needs a TO right now or else."
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Along with losses to ISU and IPFW. You can't cherry pick the good and ignore the bad.
Add a loss to Illinois which was winless and last place in the Big Ten.

Look coaches are very, very important, but they can't solve all problems. Jim Collins, who wrote Good to Great, talked about having the right people on the bus.

I think Archie is great and unique coach but he can't pull a rabbit out of the hat every night. Nor can Anthony and many others.

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Coaches may have an impact in close games. Their job is to coach the players during the week and try to make adjustments to win games in 40 minutes. If players aren't executing anything you went over the previous week a timeout does nothing. Yes, use them to stop runs in games where it matters and may make a difference. When you are taken to the woodshed possession after possession, a timeout makes no difference in the world.

Take two teams and have their respective coaches sit on their hands for 40 minutes...and let the players sort it out...90% of the time the outcome is exactly the same. It isn't about diminishing the worth as a coach as much as way too many of you put more emphasis on the coach than players that aren't getting it done.

Yes...if the pattern is the same across seasons and different players...then you have found your problem. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken ****....and right now...there simply isn't the players to beat many teams consistently.
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Coaches may have an impact in close games. Their job is to coach the players during the week and try to make adjustments to win games in 40 minutes. If players aren't executing anything you went over the previous week a timeout does nothing. Yes, use them to stop runs in games where it matters and may make a difference. When you are taken to the woodshed possession after possession, a timeout makes no difference in the world.

Take two teams and have their respective coaches sit on their hands for 40 minutes...and let the players sort it out...90% of the time the outcome is exactly the same. It isn't about diminishing the worth as a coach as much as way too many of you put more emphasis on the coach than players that aren't getting it done.

Yes...if the pattern is the same across seasons and different players...then you have found your problem. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken ****....and right now...there simply isn't the players to beat many teams consistently.
It's the other 10% or 3-4 games a year that can be the difference between a talented team playing in the NCAA or the NIT. Coaching philosophies aside, this is the difference between BG and Archie. BG had NCAA talent in each of his last 4 years here, but only went to the NCAA's once.

I agree a timeout or two wouldn't have changed the outcome against SLU but what about the next game? My criticisms and concerns with Grant are more focused on the future when this team does have the talent to be in the NCAA's. It's little things like this makes me believe he is going to be more like BG than Archie.
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I was at the OSU/Indiana game last nite. If you want the definition or see what the word UNINSPIRED means, Go watch the tape and watch Indiana play. OSU played the bench a good portion of the game and Archie yelled...pleaded...pushed...all to no avail. I felt bad for him he looked lost and had no answers. He also had no players.
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Bcross & Shocka, Chris Mullin this year is a perfect example of that. He's been taking heat for an 0-11 start with a bunch of close loses for terrible end of game decisions

I think the criticism that I & think most people on here have are for issues he'd have with this roster or North Carolina's last year. Things that have nothing to do with talent
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I think it is fair game to question some of the strategies used by Anthony and any other coach. The lack of timeouts was a concern.

It is also fair to give credit for some smart moves too. The team made adjustments at halftime and scored 6 straight points to tie the game. Anthony has used zone when man to man does not work. He has benched players for attitude and lack of effort.

I do have a problem pinning the poor record on him when I see a young inconsistent team that has not learned how to play defense. Why the defense has not improved is the bigger issue in my mind.

Is Anthony the right coach? Jury is out in my mind. He has done some things I like and others that make me ponder. He has a good point guard that he recruited last minute. He has another good guard signed. Toppin looks good in practice. His team is high in offensive efficiency, yet it has lots of turnovers and looks stale at times. He has a small weak bench and and a terrible defense. That is a lot for a coach to overcome
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I think it is fair game to question some of the strategies used by Anthony and any other coach. The lack of timeouts was a concern.

It is also fair to give credit for some smart moves too. The team made adjustments at halftime and scored 6 straight points to tie the game. Anthony has used zone when man to man does not work. He has benched players for attitude and lack of effort.

I do have a problem pinning the poor record on him when I see a young inconsistent team that has not learned how to play defense. Why the defense has not improved is the bigger issue in my mind.

Is Anthony the right coach? Jury is out in my mind. He has done some things I like and others that make me ponder. He has a good point guard that he recruited last minute. He has another good guard signed. Toppin looks good in practice. His team is high in offensive efficiency, yet it has lots of turnovers and looks stale at times. He has a small weak bench and and a terrible defense. That is a lot for a coach to overcome
Agree completely--calling a TO here or there is just one lever to pull, and sometimes that lever opens a trap door you're standing on. I had other complaints in that game but the TO's wasn't in the top 3.
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I was at the OSU/Indiana game last nite. If you want the definition or see what the word UNINSPIRED means, Go watch the tape and watch Indiana play. OSU played the bench a good portion of the game and Archie yelled...pleaded...pushed...all to no avail. I felt bad for him he looked lost and had no answers. He also had no players.
My son was there, too, and in more graphic terms said the same thing.
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Yep... this time next year both fan bases should expect better results. Perhaps harder for Archie in the Big Ten, but in our conference with RI/ Davidson/Bonnie losing there best players we can step up quickly. Cohill is a steal for us and I believe we will see at least two more additions for next season. I support Anthony and hope he will be a good bench coach but he will be the best recruiter we have seen. He will bring in Next Level talent. To within 30 days Nail down Jalen and then Cohill is well done and gets overlooked with the way the season is going. I was perplexed on Sat with the TOs and also the opportunity to give Jalen a rest he was shot in the second half. Would like to see more of a junk yard mentality on defense as I am sure the coaches would also. As I was watching Indiana last nite I couldn't believe a team coached By Archie would play like that. Takes Time...Buyin and players. Grant will get the Players and then lets see!
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I was at the OSU/Indiana game last nite. If you want the definition or see what the word UNINSPIRED means, Go watch the tape and watch Indiana play. OSU played the bench a good portion of the game and Archie yelled...pleaded...pushed...all to no avail. I felt bad for him he looked lost and had no answers. He also had no players.
Didn’t see OSU/IU the other night, but your description reminds me of the NIT game at Iowa at the end of Archie’s first season. Down the stretch of that game, I remember Iowa doing pretty much whatever they wanted to do, and our guys seemed to stop trying. And a mere 2 years later, our season ended in The Elite Eight.

All I’m saying is, let’s be patient, at least for a couple/three years.
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It's the other 10% or 3-4 games a year that can be the difference between a talented team playing in the NCAA or the NIT. Coaching philosophies aside, this is the difference between BG and Archie. BG had NCAA talent in each of his last 4 years here, but only went to the NCAA's once.

I agree a timeout or two wouldn't have changed the outcome against SLU but what about the next game? My criticisms and concerns with Grant are more focused on the future when this team does have the talent to be in the NCAA's. It's little things like this makes me believe he is going to be more like BG than Archie.
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Bcross & Shocka, Chris Mullin this year is a perfect example of that. He's been taking heat for an 0-11 start with a bunch of close loses for terrible end of game decisions

I think the criticism that I & think most people on here have are for issues he'd have with this roster or North Carolina's last year. Things that have nothing to do with talent
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I agree with you guys and I have some of the same concerns. But those concerns, and some that I spoke very strongly on early in the season, have been tempered based on watching the players on the floor for 2/3rd's of a season. I also base those concerns on past performances. There is no way that AG's potential success or failure during his tenure here can be predicted with any significance based on what we all have seen. Sure, there may be a "told ya so" 3 years from now, but that is nothing more than throwing **** at the wall hoping it sticks.

I am right in your camp if the same thing is observed at this time in 2020. Or even the non-conference in 2019.

This team doesn't go from .500 to .800 with AG, AM, or Dean Smith. They simply don't have the horses to beat veteran teams on the regular and they haven't shown they can deal with the adversity of playing on the road against teams that are the same or even a little worst than them. It is what it is at this point.

If the discussion by some posters was a little more middle of the road it would be tolerable.
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