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Obi Toppin 2021-2022 Season Game Thread

Believe it or don’t, the NYK first exhibition game is tonight!

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Obi has 6 points on 3-5 shooting and 2 boards at the half vs. Indiana. NYK up by 12, 67-55.

He finished with 10 points and 5 rebounds.

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Thibs has it out for obi. Played newcomer Sims double the minutes and gave him minutes with Randle. Don’t understand it
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Jericho Sims is a 5; Obi is a stretch 4.
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What made less sense to me, in a meaning less preseason game, the first game of the year, he had Randal playing 29 minutes. Multiple other players with 25ish minutes as well. Indiana meanwhile managed to keep everyone under 20 minutes IIRC. For a coach that is routinely criticized for wearing his players down (both last year in NY and in his time in Chicago) Thibs apparently doesn't care much and just keeps grinding.
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It's preseason. It's a time to see what you've got in new players. Obi is pretty well slotted as the backup PF. Put him down for 10-25 minutes per game, depending on how he and Randle are playing. We'd love to see him earn a starting spot, but preseason minutes aren't going to affect that one way or the other.
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It's preseason. It's a time to see what you've got in new players. Obi is pretty well slotted as the backup PF. Put him down for 10-25 minutes per game, depending on how he and Randle are playing. We'd love to see him earn a starting spot, but preseason minutes aren't going to affect that one way or the other.
And the Knicks have one open slot - so he has to play some of those competing for the open slot more. Obi is not competing for an open slot - he is secure. He looked good last night - more confident than last year. But the announcers said it - the guards need to look for the hot hand - Obi hit two in a row - and the guards did not find him after that. Maybe Tibbs will point that out in the tape session today.
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Two great dribble based moves. One from the wing was killer diller!

Other was a rebound to full court break and finish. His handle has improved tremendously. His confidence def rising as well.

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And the Knicks have one open slot - so he has to play some of those competing for the open slot more. Obi is not competing for an open slot - he is secure. He looked good last night - more confident than last year. But the announcers said it - the guards need to look for the hot hand - Obi hit two in a row - and the guards did not find him after that. Maybe Tibbs will point that out in the tape session today.
Don’t you guys think the preseason is a good time to experiment with lineups too? Just looks like continuation of last year. Would think the young guys which includes obi would be getting more minutes.
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What made less sense to me, in a meaning less preseason game, the first game of the year, he had Randal playing 29 minutes. Multiple other players with 25ish minutes as well. Indiana meanwhile managed to keep everyone under 20 minutes IIRC. For a coach that is routinely criticized for wearing his players down (both last year in NY and in his time in Chicago) Thibs apparently doesn't care much and just keeps grinding.
I thought about this while watching as well. It is almost unfathomable how an entire organization could be so comfortable risking such valuable assets for no discernable reason whatsoever. If you managed other businesses in this fashion you'd be shown the door quickly by ownership.

Not playing Obi alongside Randle is questionable, but maybe he sees something in practice the fans don't. Not playing Obi alongside Randle in a PRESEASON game? That goes beyond quirky. That is downright criminal. This is going to continue to hurt the Knicks, as it makes the walking matchup nightmare that is Obi Toppin more predictable and less effective.

On the bright side, 10-5 in 14 minutes is uber-efficient. If he keeps that up Thibs will have no choice but to play him more.
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Obi had 13 points including 2 three pointers to go with 8 boards, 2 blocks, 1 assist and 1 steal in 28 minutes in a NYK win.

Top highlight: https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKnicks...01977368481792

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If he keeps that up Thibs will have no choice but to play him more.

Thibs: Oh yeah? Watch me.
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Reminds me of an episode of “Modern Family”, where Phil was giving his interpretation of modern acronyms (ex. WTF = Why The Face?). 😆
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Obi doing what he does best vs. Pistons:

https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...43163417452549

He played 14 minutes and had 6 points on 3-7 shooting, to go with 4 boards and 1 dime.

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Obi doing what he does best vs. Pistons:

https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...43163417452549

He played 14 minutes and had 6 points on 3-7 shooting, to go with 4 boards and 1 dime.

He let his man run right to the front of the rim with a completely non-existent box out (literally never touched him as he ran right by Obi). His man tips the ball away from 3 Knicks rebounders who are doing their jobs looking for their man to box out (Rose and Knox both look for their man, Gibson's man is nowhere near the paint so he looks for the ball). Obi's man tips it off the rim, which by sheer luck bounces back to a Knick, and by this time Obi is a stride from half court having leaked out as fast as possible for a dunk.


This is absolutely NOT a highlight for Obi. It's like the quarterback fumbling the ball and running for 5 yards on a busted play. Just because it worked doesn't mean it was good.

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You can find that scenario on almost any scrum by even the best players. Obi's assets still far out weigh his liabilities. And he is getting better with more opportunities. I think the Knicks still feel that is the case, because they have had opportunities to move him.
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He let his man run right to the front of the rim with a completely non-existent box out (literally never touched him as he ran right by Obi). His man tips the ball away from 3 Knicks rebounders who are doing their jobs looking for their man to box out (Rose and Knox both look for their man, Gibson's man is nowhere near the paint so he looks for the ball). Obi's man tips it off the rim, which by sheer luck bounces back to a Knick, and by this time Obi is a stride from half court having leaked out as fast as possible for a dunk.


This is absolutely NOT a highlight for Obi. It's like the quarterback fumbling the ball and running for 5 yards on a busted play. Just because it worked doesn't mean it was good.
The other 3 were all in the paint when the shot went up. It's a lot easier to box out in a tight area. Obi was defending at the 3 point line. Is there an adjustment he can make? Probably. I'll have to watch an NBA game to see how many defenders are boxing out at the 3 point line. For now, I'll enjoy watching this play a few times.
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The other 3 were all in the paint when the shot went up. It's a lot easier to box out in a tight area. Obi was defending at the 3 point line. Is there an adjustment he can make? Probably. I'll have to watch an NBA game to see how many defenders are boxing out at the 3 point line. For now, I'll enjoy watching this play a few times.

"An adjustment"? Wow. That's generous, to say the least. If "start doing your job" is an adjustment, then yeah, I agree with that definition. He doesn't have to box the guy out, just slow him down a bit. That would have been nice, eh?



If you want to play for Thibs, giving up a really dumb offensive rebound because you simply chose not to hit a guy in the chest is a bad way to do it.
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Obi isn't going to play a lot more than last year unless Randle gets hurt. Randle led the league in minutes last year and is likely to do so again.
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Obi isn't going to play a lot more than last year unless Randle gets hurt. Randle led the league in minutes last year and is likely to do so again.
Knicks scored 29 pts In the 7 min they played together tonight (39 minures together all last season) making a big comeback to win at the buzzer

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Obi finished with 9 points, 8 boards, 3 dimes, 3 blocks and 1 steal.

Alley oop from DRose:

https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...68534366560261

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Playing Obi and Randle together saved the game. I believe they went on a 15-2 run at that point.

Finally trusting that lineup and trusting Obi in that moment is a really good sign. This team is very, very good and will compete for a top seed in the East.
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Obi played 28 min against the Bucks tonight. He had 14 pts and 5 reb in a 2-OT opening night win. If he keeps getting those kinds of minutes, he is going to be an impact player.
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Obi played 28 min against the Bucks tonight. He had 14 pts and 5 reb in a 2-OT opening night win. If he keeps getting those kinds of minutes, he is going to be an impact player.
Obi had MSG chanting his name a few times tonight. He was not hitting threes but dominated on any breakaways that the Knicks had. Even at the NBA level, nobody gets down the floor like Obi does. He played well defensively too.
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Most important was the Thibs experimented with Obi and Randle again! In a regular season game no less. Now, this was because of the injuries I'm sure but still promising. Hopefully this is one step closer to fully unchaining the beast.
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Obi does not hang around the rim on D to rebound often. He releases early. if the team can defensively rebound with Obi out, then their fast break will be fun to watch. As it was last night.
Obi did not play at all in the two overtime periods. A bit baffling considering the obvious fatigue of several players.
This Knicks team is painful to watch. The team has a one-on-one offense mentality. One announcer referred to that often. Some assists are more like lucky desperation assist passes. The only person who looks for Obi is Rose. The one lob to Obi felt like the Jalen to Obi connection.
The defense looked disjointed at times. The last play in regulation looked like a high school reserve team with low basketball IQ. Granted first game of the year, but these are Pros.
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Obi does not hang around the rim on D to rebound often. He releases early. if the team can defensively rebound with Obi out, then their fast break will be fun to watch. As it was last night.
Obi did not play at all in the two overtime periods. A bit baffling considering the obvious fatigue of several players.
This Knicks team is painful to watch. The team has a one-on-one offense mentality. One announcer referred to that often. Some assists are more like lucky desperation assist passes. The only person who looks for Obi is Rose. The one lob to Obi felt like the Jalen to Obi connection.
The defense looked disjointed at times. The last play in regulation looked like a high school reserve team with low basketball IQ. Granted first game of the year, but these are Pros.
The Knicks won, but they were lucky and yes Obi’s second half was a delight to watch.
I think this is an astute observation. Before Rose, the Knicks hardly had a player who would share the ball with Obi. Now, Rose is looking for Obi all the time. Now, New York fans are looking for the connection all of the time. Before Rose, Obi would get out on the break and get ignored. Obi is an elite finisher but he needs a guard who is looking to feed him, either on breaks or lobs. New York is finally seeing that. Don't be stupid, keep feeding him the ball in those situations.

The selfish way is the way of bad NBA teams. It's a selfish game with individual stats and resulting contract money as the motivator. Once an NBA team starts winning, they sometimes get infected with the thought that they can win sharing the ball and working for the best shot. But that is the exception and not the rule in NBA ball.

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Obi did not play at all in the two overtime periods. A bit baffling considering the obvious fatigue of several players.
This is especially odd when you consider how the game got to OT in the first place. With Obi out the Knicks' offense completely floundered. The "wedge" play they run that isn't really a play where the whole team steps out and let's Randle ISO is horrendous. It rarely works and when it does work Randle misses the cutter.

Fournier and Kemba gifted the Celtics overtime. I would not have BOTH of these players on the court at the same time in key late-game scenarios.
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Actually, Obi was on the floor at the start of the first overtime, but he was pulled quickly and sat the rest of the night. Glad the Knicks won, but would like to have seen Obi get a few more minutes in OT.
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Now, New York fans are looking for the connection all of the time.

Really is like Crutcher, you felt like at any moment Obi was going to create an angle and Crutcher simply would not miss him. The crowd buzzed all game long knowing it could happen at any moment.
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Julius Randle-Obi Toppin combo gives Knicks new dynamic
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Obi played 28 min against the Bucks tonight. He had 14 pts and 5 reb in a 2-OT opening night win. If he keeps getting those kinds of minutes, he is going to be an impact player.
Most regular season or postseason minutes of his career with the Knicks in one game.

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Most regular season or postseason minutes of his career with the Knicks in one game.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/game...355/obi-toppin


https://www.espn.com/nba/player/game.../nba/year/2021

You all realize that the guy in front of him on the depth chart was injured for the game, right? Taj Gibson was out?
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You all realize that the guy in front of him on the depth chart was injured for the game, right? Taj Gibson was out?
No, I didn't know that, buzzkill, lol

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Regardless of who was injured, this NY Post writer liked what he saw.
https://nypost.com/2021/10/21/knicks...in-obi-toppin/
(different article than one posted earlier)
And Taj Gibson is listed as out for tonight

Obi's picture on the NYP back page.
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This write up on the NYK opener from The Ringer has some good things to say about Obi:

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Obi filled the stat sheet in a blowout vs. the Magic: 13 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals and 1 block in 23 minutes.

In the span of :15 Obi hit a corner three and then converted a breakaway dunk:

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Obi filled the stat sheet in a blowout vs. the Magic: 13 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals and 1 block in 23 minutes.

In the span of :15 Obi hit a corner three and then converted a breakaway dunk:

https://twitter.com/nyknicks/status/1451714866818035722
I wondered when Obi was going to pick off a lazy pass way out top for an easy dunk. He did that a lot at UD with his length and quickness.

How about the between the legs dunk on a dead play at the end? Listen to the crowd.

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Watching Obi this year compared to last year, I noticed a couple of nonquantifiable improvements. He appears to have added significantly more muscle to his frame. He is standing more erect when he is playing defense, That is he appears to be playing to his size and is more comfortable with playing to his size than last year which improves his defense. He really matched up well against Tatum in the Boston game.
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I dont doubt that Obi worked his tail off in the offseason but the biggest difference I see in him this year is his dang coach has given up on some of his stubbornness and taken the saddle off the man and let him do what he does best: run the floor and score in transition.

Thibs spent Obis entire rookie year sending him to the stupid coffin corner to catch and shoot threes. Sticking Obi in a halfcourt offense is like sticking Bo Kimble and Hank Gathers in a halfcourt offense. What's the point of even being out there? You have to exploit the strengths of your players and there's nobody in the NBA that can out-run Obi opposing foul line to basket and stop him from dunking if he gets a decent outlet pass. In the Magic game he ran past one of the guards like they were standing still. He doesn't run like a 6-9 guy, he runs like the 6-2 guy he was as a sophomore in HS. The only difference is the strides are even longer now.

As long as Thibs keeps his hands in his pockets and lets Obi be Obi and not try to make him into something he isn't, there will be success. And he must also let Obi make a few mistakes now and then. Its okay to teach and correct, but there are no perfect players on the court and they all goof from time to time. Building up his confidence will not be served by yanking him on every stumble. I see a bit more trust in Obi with Thibs this year. But again, I think part of that is Obi has gotten more minutes to actually work up a sweat and get a feel for the game and figure out who he can pick on and who he cant during his minutes. Some of that may be circumstances with Noel and Gibson out. Getting 2 minutes here, 3 minutes there -- its hard to constantly come in cold and make an immediate difference.

You have to let Obi cheat to the other end of the court on missed shots. Too many potential free transition points on the table. You won't cash them all in, but you'll cash enough. Like Maximus Decimus Meridius, you also win the crowd which has a carryover effect on you and the opponent.
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I dont doubt that Obi worked his tail off in the offseason but the biggest difference I see in him this year is his dang coach has given up on some of his stubbornness and taken the saddle off the man and let him do what he does best: run the floor and score in transition.

Thibs spent Obis entire rookie year sending him to the stupid coffin corner to catch and shoot threes. Sticking Obi in a halfcourt offense is like sticking Bo Kimble and Hank Gathers in a halfcourt offense. What's the point of even being out there? You have to exploit the strengths of your players and there's nobody in the NBA that can out-run Obi opposing foul line to basket and stop him from dunking if he gets a decent outlet pass. In the Magic game he ran past one of the guards like they were standing still. He doesn't run like a 6-9 guy, he runs like the 6-2 guy he was as a sophomore in HS. The only difference is the strides are even longer now.

As long as Thibs keeps his hands in his pockets and lets Obi be Obi and not try to make him into something he isn't, there will be success. And he must also let Obi make a few mistakes now and then. Its okay to teach and correct, but there are no perfect players on the court and they all goof from time to time. Building up his confidence will not be served by yanking him on every stumble. I see a bit more trust in Obi with Thibs this year. But again, I think part of that is Obi has gotten more minutes to actually work up a sweat and get a feel for the game and figure out who he can pick on and who he cant during his minutes. Some of that may be circumstances with Noel and Gibson out. Getting 2 minutes here, 3 minutes there -- its hard to constantly come in cold and make an immediate difference.

You have to let Obi cheat to the other end of the court on missed shots. Too many potential free transition points on the table. You won't cash them all in, but you'll cash enough. Like Maximus Decimus Meridius, you also win the crowd which has a carryover effect on you and the opponent.
I agreed on many of these points, especially making Obi sit in the corner for a three on every possession. Leaking out for transition points is getting Obi noticed right now. Number one, he is faster in the full-court sprint than 99% of the NBA. Number two, He presents a massive lob target, even by NBA standards. Number three, he has great hands and finishes on even poor feeds on the break. How many failed transition finishes can you remember from Obi in all of his college and pro career? It might be zero! He converts everything that isn't thrown over the backboard. He is a transition freak.

And MSG explodes when he dunks in transition or a backdoor lob. It reminds me of UD Arena going off the hook when Obi dunks. It's more than the 2 points. It energizes his team and the entire venue. The other team gets intimidated and the opposing coach calls a time-out. It's a complete momentum changer in the scheme of the game.

Obi can be a pretty good 3pt shooter and mid range shooter. But that is not his primary worth. It's a great compliment to his above the rim game.

And New York has no idea how to work on offense for the best shot as a team. Obi excels at that. He has high basketball IQ and great passing skills. New York doesn't see that yet because they don't have that mentality on offense. They don't play offense as a team. Obi was getting no shares until Derrick Rose showed up. They are selfish as a team.

I do give Thibs credit for improving Obi's aggressiveness and footwork on defense.

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The biggest difference so far is that the people ahead of him on the depth chart are injured.
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I can't argue with Thibs getting a team with a history of losing into the playoffs.

I agree with the comments by Chris. Let Obi cheat out a start a fast break.

I would also like to see a simple pick and roll added to the half court offense. The Knicks offense is the player who has the ball playing one on one, then dishing when in trouble. No surprise that they flamed in the playoffs. That offense is the easiest for team to defend.

Not sure if that one on one is by design or just players who don't like to play a motion offense. The NBA has its share of one on one players, but watch good teams and they distribute the ball much much better.
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The biggest difference so far is that the people ahead of him on the depth chart are injured.
I agree this is contributing to the opportunity. But Obi’s work ethic and how the coach is using his strengths this year are generating the results and that’s the big difference. Time will tell if the results continue to get him minutes when others come back.
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The Knicks offense is the player who has the ball playing one on one, then dishing when in trouble. No surprise that they flamed in the playoffs. That offense is the easiest for team to defend.

Not sure if that one on one is by design or just players who don't like to play a motion offense. The NBA has its share of one on one players, but watch good teams and they distribute the ball much much better.
Big reason IMO why the NBA is not as entertaining as college ball.
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Of the 11 Knicks who got playing time, only 2 played fewer minutes than Toppin in a home loss to the team they just blew out a few days ago on the road
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I dont doubt that Obi worked his tail off in the offseason but the biggest difference I see in him this year is his dang coach has given up on some of his stubbornness and taken the saddle off the man and let him do what he does best: run the floor and score in transition.

Thibs spent Obis entire rookie year sending him to the stupid coffin corner to catch and shoot threes. Sticking Obi in a halfcourt offense is like sticking Bo Kimble and Hank Gathers in a halfcourt offense. What's the point of even being out there? You have to exploit the strengths of your players and there's nobody in the NBA that can out-run Obi opposing foul line to basket and stop him from dunking if he gets a decent outlet pass. In the Magic game he ran past one of the guards like they were standing still. He doesn't run like a 6-9 guy, he runs like the 6-2 guy he was as a sophomore in HS. The only difference is the strides are even longer now.

As long as Thibs keeps his hands in his pockets and lets Obi be Obi and not try to make him into something he isn't, there will be success. And he must also let Obi make a few mistakes now and then. Its okay to teach and correct, but there are no perfect players on the court and they all goof from time to time. Building up his confidence will not be served by yanking him on every stumble. I see a bit more trust in Obi with Thibs this year. But again, I think part of that is Obi has gotten more minutes to actually work up a sweat and get a feel for the game and figure out who he can pick on and who he cant during his minutes. Some of that may be circumstances with Noel and Gibson out. Getting 2 minutes here, 3 minutes there -- its hard to constantly come in cold and make an immediate difference.

You have to let Obi cheat to the other end of the court on missed shots. Too many potential free transition points on the table. You won't cash them all in, but you'll cash enough. Like Maximus Decimus Meridius, you also win the crowd which has a carryover effect on you and the opponent.

Great points and great references to bo Kimble and Gathers!

Also knicks have very solid rebounders in Mitch Rob, Randle, and Barrett. Our guards also rebounder well. Therefore, Obi can release . All depends on who is on the court.
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Basketball is a Team Game

It is not about player freedom but winning as a team. Obi needs to make himself more valuable at the NBA level. He must improve his defense and rebounding. Everybody in the league can run the floor and dunk on offense. Obi must become more than a one tool player.
The coach has the vision for success developed into a game plan. The players must execute the wishes of the coach. We all love Obi the UD Flyer. As for Obi the NY Knick... growth is calling.
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The biggest difference so far is that the people ahead of him on the depth chart are injured.

Oh look, those players returned.



I think Obi is proving he's a capable player but it's hard to play while looking over your shoulder the whole game. That factors into it as well.
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Sometimes I think Thibideau has less tolerance for Obi making mistakes because he knows he’s got such a high ceiling- At least thats what I keep telling myself. I still believe he’s underutilized and doesn’t fit the Knicks offense (or lack there of) in any way. The fans though…love him. I’ve heard the Obi chants several times already and the seasons just starting. Hey Obi is flourishing when on the court with Randle because neither can be left alone. Season progression will be interesting. I still wouldn’t mind it if he got traded somewhere else but I’m ok with it all right now since Obi seems happy there.
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Obi garnered 6 points, 3 boards, 1 dime and 2 steals and was +13 in 6 minutes of 1st half action.

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It was great to watch Obi and his productivity, but overall still not convinced this season will be much better than last in terms of PT. Obi only played 6 minutes in the first half according to the box score, even though it seemed more. 9 of his team mates had more minutes. Very good stat line, but is it enough to earn more PT with Thibs? 6 points, 3 rebs, 2 steals and 1 assist for a +13. Also, has he been on the floor at the same times as Randle in either of the past two games? I know he was not tonight
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Quick to Obi for the flush and one:

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Thibs actually ran an out of bounds play for Obi that got him an open look at a bank shot, which he missed. He later got burnt on a backdoor cut.

12 minutes, 9 points, 4 boards, 2 assists, 2 steals and a block. He may get some garbage time run as the NYK are up by 19 with 8 minutes to go.

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It was great to watch Obi and his productivity, but overall still not convinced this season will be much better than last in terms of PT. Obi only played 6 minutes in the first half according to the box score, even though it seemed more. 9 of his team mates had more minutes. Very good stat line, but is it enough to earn more PT with Thibs? 6 points, 3 rebs, 2 steals and 1 assist for a +13. Also, has he been on the floor at the same times as Randle in either of the past two games? I know he was not tonight
Having him play extended minutes with Randle on the floor seems to have gone bye bye.

Probably going to be more of a defensive deal.

I think there are plenty of opportunities for him to play...unfortunately there are some veteran players that don't bring much to the table getting the nod.
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Knicks are reverting to the offensive team from last year. Quickley seems to just take bad shot after bad shot. These guys ever look up they’d get some easy transition buckets.
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I have to disagree. Last year, Randle was just chucking shots no matter how good or bad they were. In this game, he was looking to pass to open players. He had a bunch of assists.

This is good for New York in the long run. They have good balance offensively. There are a lot of players who can score.

I think Obi is being a little too passive in the half court offense. He is passing well, but he needs to be more of a threat to drive or make a post move on occasion. I feel like he is shying away from that too much.
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I have to disagree. Last year, Randle was just chucking shots no matter how good or bad they were. In this game, he was looking to pass to open players. He had a bunch of assists.

This is good for New York in the long run. They have good balance offensively. There are a lot of players who can score.

I think Obi is being a little too passive in the half court offense. He is passing well, but he needs to be more of a threat to drive or make a post move on occasion. I feel like he is shying away from that too much.
Randle might be passing more, ditto Rose, the rest of the team is a black hole 99% of the time. I continually see pick and roll opportunities where Obi is doing his job and rolling but Quickley and others end up taking contested shot vs a wide open Obi for dunk. And Ive seen several games this year already where the the Knicks had a 2 on 1 fast break that Obi was part of and you see like the previous game where Alex Burks tries to go up himself instead of feeding Obi and misses the layup. I even saw Obi motioning to him saying “throw it up”. Obi’s game is mostly at this point transition scoring; when he’s in there the team has to play to this strength and they don’t
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Randle might be passing more, ditto Rose, the rest of the team is a black hole 99% of the time. I continually see pick and roll opportunities where Obi is doing his job and rolling but Quickley and others end up taking contested shot vs a wide open Obi for dunk. And Ive seen several games this year already where the the Knicks had a 2 on 1 fast break that Obi was part of and you see like the previous game where Alex Burks tries to go up himself instead of feeding Obi and misses the layup. I even saw Obi motioning to him saying “throw it up”. Obi’s game is mostly at this point transition scoring; when he’s in there the team has to play to this strength and they don’t
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Other than the Garden fans loving him, Obi is a square peg in a round hole with the Knicks. Thibs is already cutting his minutes. Obi needs a change in venue to blossom as a pro.
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Other than the Garden fans loving him, Obi is a square peg in a round hole with the Knicks. Thibs is already cutting his minutes. Obi needs a change in venue to blossom as a pro.
Agree 100%; I don't doubt that Obi has some defensive shortcomings but I he's not responsible for EVERY lapse on defense. I see Thibs pull him out every little mistake that is very reminiscent of last year. Let him play some minutes. Taj Gibson is 36 years old; his minutes and Obi's should be switch immediately.
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The Knicks need to trade Obi Toppin to the Dallas Mavericks. Luka Doncic would find Toppin with a pass. Luka Doncic is a point guard in Jason Kidd’s schema. How about a trade of Josh Green for Obi Toppin?
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The Knicks need to trade Obi Toppin to the Dallas Mavericks. Luka Doncic would find Toppin with a pass. Luka Doncic is a point guard in Jason Kidd’s schema. How about a trade of Josh Green for Obi Toppin?
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I think Obi'd hate it but he'd love the PT. I'm hoping he does get traded for his own good. I don't see the Knicks ever utilizing him like they should.
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Great article on Obi and the tough situation he finds himself in.

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You have to let Obi cheat to the other end of the court on missed shots. Too many potential free transition points on the table. You won't cash them all in, but you'll cash enough.
Obi beats everyone down the floor even if he isn't cheating. He is amazing in transition. I didn't appreciate his speed and how he runs the floor in transition. He makes it look effortless but it is hard work.
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Not much of the way of offensive highlights as #1 went scoreless with 2 boards and 2 blocks in only 6 minutes of 1st half action.

Obi block: https://twitter.com/KnicksMSGN/statu...95035199066112

Obi D: https://twitter.com/KnicksMSGN/statu...93208869138440

Obi added 1 FT and one dime in 4 minutes of 2nd half run.

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Originally Posted by longtimefan67 View Post
Agree 100%; I don't doubt that Obi has some defensive shortcomings but I he's not responsible for EVERY lapse on defense. I see Thibs pull him out every little mistake that is very reminiscent of last year. Let him play some minutes. Taj Gibson is 36 years old; his minutes and Obi's should be switch immediately.
Clearly the coach (currently tied for the best record in the league) doesn’t know know what he’s doing. We sure put a lot of stock in Obi while Thibs sees him as the 9th or 10th man as measured by minutes.
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Clearly the coach (currently tied for the best record in the league) doesn’t know know what he’s doing. We sure put a lot of stock in Obi while Thibs sees him as the 9th or 10th man as measured by minutes.
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Forget Thibs for the moment, or let's assume he's doing what's best for the Knicks. If Obi can be a force that commands more minutes with another NBA team, he needs to be given that chance. He was their lottery pick and by not treating him as such he's being badly cheated in his career.

Now, I'm not an NBA fan and I'm aware enough to know that college success doesn't always translate to the same in the NBA. But if your lottery pick isn't getting playing time equal to his draft status, then it's time to admit that you made a mistake in drafting him and put him on the trade market. Maybe Obi will bust wherever he goes, but if it's just the makeup of the Knicks' team that is keeping him on the bench, free our Flyer. Lottery picks being 10th man isn't good for anyone involved.
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Originally Posted by maddog07 View Post
Clearly the coach (currently tied for the best record in the league) doesn’t know know what he’s doing. We sure put a lot of stock in Obi while Thibs sees him as the 9th or 10th man as measured by minutes.
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I'm not sure too many are willing to say Thibs doesn't know what he's doing. He's having success, just as he did last year. But Obi appears to be a wasted talent on this Knicks team with this coach's strategy. The results WITH Obi, when given ample court time, have supported this. The trend with Obi's diminishing minutes is concerning and fair to question, regardless of the results/success..........and why am I responding to RabidK9? Violates all of my message boards protocols.
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Obi is living his life dream being a lottery pick and playing for his hometown team the New York Knicks. He may not be as upset with Thibs concerning his playing time as all of us think he should be! The Knicks are in first place with a 5-1 record and the old axiom "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" holds true.

The only way the situation of being the 9th or 10th player off the bench gets resolved is if the team starts losing while Obi still continues to run the court the way he has been doing and finishing with alley-oop dunks. The hustle that Obi has shown at this point in the early season is endearing himself to the fans because he is always the first player in transition and they don't always see that with some of the other players on the team. Oftentimes you can hear chants of Obi, Obi coming from the crowd, especially after an emphatic dunk!

Other than the above losing streak happening or Obi being traded don't look for any changes by Thibs happening very soon!
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As a life long Bulls fan, the knock on Thibs when he coached there was 2 fold, first a lack of a solid half court offensive set, and 2 that his teams would grind, grind, grind out the regular season to death, and not be as strong as their competition come playoff time.


These truths held true last year in Thib's first season in NY. His Minnesota team also grinded their way into the playoffs (understandably losing in the first round to top seed Houston) but in the process destroyed the good will between Jimmy Butler and Thib that Butler forced his way out of Minnesota to Philly (also note that Thibs was the coach in Chicago when Butler developed into an all NBA type talent).


What all that means for Obi, I'm not sure. I watch very little NBA, Knicks or otherwise these days (though if I saw NY was on and Obi was in and stick around and watch him play), but despite their 5-1 start, the signs are there that NY and Thibs will experience a season much like last and much like his whole career, overpreform during the regular season by playing tougher, more consistent defense every game, then flame out in the playoffs when everyone is bringing it each night and the other team has fresher legs.


With 8 teams from each division making the playoffs each year and the amount of travel required from each team, its no wonder so many top end teams back off during the regular season. Thibs is great at getting his team from point A to B, it remains to be seen if he can get them to point C(hampionship)
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The Knicks are in first place with a 5-1 record and the old axiom "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" holds true.

The Knicks won their first 2 games with Obi playing 25 minutes per game (before other players came back from injury).



I guess they fixed it anyway.
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Obi had a productive 6 1st half minutes with 5 markers and 2 boards.

Obi from Kemba: https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKnicks...29837074292737


Obi from Quick: https://mobile.twitter.com/Tom_Picco...28026665918466
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Again the first unit let's the game slip and the hole becomes too deep to allow Rose and the second unit to climb back in.

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#1 was 3-3 for 6 points in the first half:

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Obi with another productive half in very few minutes. 6 points and 4/4 from the line in just 6 min. Thibs still refuses to play him with Randle
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Obi trying to crash the boards more than I’ve seen to date. Kept a couple balls alive on O with tips.
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Old 11-07-2021, 08:23 PM
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7 pts in 4 minutes in the first half.
Can’t understand why he didn’t get more minutes in the half.

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Old 11-07-2021, 10:12 PM
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thibs is gonna ruin obi

hes gotta get out of NY
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Old 11-07-2021, 10:46 PM
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Toppin was a very good match-up against Mobley IMO, but he did not get a lot of minutes. He played very well. He was driving aggressively. I love to see that rather than sitting in the corner.

I have a hard time understanding why Obi did not play in the last 6 minutes of the game until things were out of reach for the Knicks. He was playing like a spark plug for the Knicks before he was pulled for the starters, who had a bad night as a squad.

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