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Old 11-09-2021, 03:36 PM
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2021-22 Games of Note

Almost forgot my annual thread. Here's your 21-22 games of note thread.


Per usual, a running thread to keep comments about each nights game, some that directly affect the flyers (ie conference foes or OOC opponents) or just general interesting games around college hoops. Hopefully it also becomes a place where we can talk about rankings and who we need to lose so UD can move up the rankings


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Opening Night:


Mannhantanville @ Manhattan (only post because its the first official game of the year, tipping off in 23 min from mark


Akron @ #17 OSU (John Groce was once considered a future potential OSU BBcoach)
Boston U @ Rhody
NC Central @ Richmond
Rider @ Duquesne
Lake Erie @ Wright State (I hope Lake Erie can throw it in the ocean. errrr Lake )


_______ @ UMass Lowell. I have never, ever, in all the years doing this, ever seen the opponent as a blank; plus we play UMass Lowell.




Delaware @ Davidson
Stony Brook @ Mason
Kansas vs Mich St
Sienna @ #23 Bonna (this is kind of an upstate rivalry, I'm surprised they start the year with it)
New Orleans @ Ole Miss
Canisus @ Miami (Fl)


UMBC @ Umass (how do they handle last season's departures?)


______ @ Austin Peay Well I've now seen the no name school twice, tough way to start the season with a double header. Must be a theme for our OOC opponents this year.



MD E Shores @ St Joes
Columbia @ Fordham (battle for the city)
St Francis - Pa @ GW
McNesse St @ SMU (We play SMU don't we?)
Sacred Heart @ LaSalle
#10 Kentucky vs #9 Duke


______ @ Cal Poly ****, a triple header for the school with no name. I guess UD is destined to play Cal Poly in a 15-2 game come March



Birhgingham Southern @ Lipscom
Bama St @ W Kentucky
N Illinois @ Washington (Is Jay-Z's nephew and former flyer commit still there?)
Maine @ VTech
Southern @ Louisville (I believe our old friend is suspended from coaching the first 3 games)

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You got my interest with the blanks.

I believe they are non-Division 1 schools.

Rivier @ Umass Lowell
Tenn. Southern @ Austin Peay
Westcliff @ Cal Poly
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I think they may even be D3 schools (I know Rivier is). Typically the D2 schools have a name next to them and no mascot symbol. These just all had the generic blank symbol and no name. Perhaps they are NAIA school or something along those lines as well. At any rate, I definently don't recall ever seeing no name listed before.
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Opening Night:


Mannhantanville @ Manhattan (only post because its the first official game of the year, tipping off in 23 min from mark


Akron @ #17 OSU (John Groce was once considered a future potential OSU BBcoach)
Boston U @ Rhody
NC Central @ Richmond
Rider @ Duquesne
Lake Erie @ Wright State (I hope Lake Erie can throw it in the ocean. errrr Lake )


_______ @ UMass Lowell. I have never, ever, in all the years doing this, ever seen the opponent as a blank; plus we play UMass Lowell.




Delaware @ Davidson
Stony Brook @ Mason
Kansas vs Mich St
Sienna @ #23 Bonna (this is kind of an upstate rivalry, I'm surprised they start the year with it)
New Orleans @ Ole Miss
Canisus @ Miami (Fl)


UMBC @ Umass (how do they handle last season's departures?)


______ @ Austin Peay Well I've now seen the no name school twice, tough way to start the season with a double header. Must be a theme for our OOC opponents this year.



MD E Shores @ St Joes
Columbia @ Fordham (battle for the city)
St Francis - Pa @ GW
McNesse St @ SMU (We play SMU don't we?)
Sacred Heart @ LaSalle
#10 Kentucky vs #9 Duke


______ @ Cal Poly ****, a triple header for the school with no name. I guess UD is destined to play Cal Poly in a 15-2 game come March



Birhgingham Southern @ Lipscom
Bama St @ W Kentucky
N Illinois @ Washington (Is Jay-Z's nephew and former flyer commit still there?)
Maine @ VTech
Southern @ Louisville (I believe our old friend is suspended from coaching the first 3 games)
I watched Cal Poly against a team with no name....
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I think they may even be D3 schools (I know Rivier is). Typically the D2 schools have a name next to them and no mascot symbol. These just all had the generic blank symbol and no name. Perhaps they are NAIA school or something along those lines as well. At any rate, I definently don't recall ever seeing no name listed before.
Tenn. Southern and Westcliff are both NAIA schools.
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Was curious to see if Chapman played but he is out 4-6 weeks for Vandy with an injury

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A10 was a favorite in all 14 games tonight.

LaSalle ruined the perfect night with their OT loss.
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Ohio State wins by 1 over Akron. Xavier beats Niagara by 3.
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13-1 night for the A10...yeah I know there were no wins of significance, but I'll take it. Just win baby.


Tonight:


St Louis hosts Harris-Stowe No clue why a program like SLU is playing an NAIA team


And that is about it. Most everyone played last night so I suspect the next few days to be kinda quiet then everyone comes back for game 2 this weekend.
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St Louis hosts Harris-Stowe No clue why a program like SLU is playing an NAIA team
The lower quality D1 programs are asking for too much guaranteed buy game $? So, SLU decided to go the cheaper route? Harris-Stowe doesn't charge as much.
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How much does SLU average in attendance? I thought similar to UD, they would have the finances/support to get better home "garuntee" games. Could be other factors involved like another team pulling out at the last moment, or perhaps there is some coaching/athletic ties to drove the bus on this.


Under the RPI, playing an NAIA program was better than playing a 300+ program; I'm not sure if that is still the case with the new metrics.
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How much does SLU average in attendance? I thought similar to UD, they would have the finances/support to get better home "garuntee" games. Could be other factors involved like another team pulling out at the last moment, or perhaps there is some coaching/athletic ties to drove the bus on this.


Under the RPI, playing an NAIA program was better than playing a 300+ program; I'm not sure if that is still the case with the new metrics.
SLU is not in the same atmosphere as UD. Only 6,880 in 2019-2020.
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How much does SLU average in attendance? I thought similar to UD, they would have the finances/support to get better home "garuntee" games. Could be other factors involved like another team pulling out at the last moment, or perhaps there is some coaching/athletic ties to drove the bus on this.


Under the RPI, playing an NAIA program was better than playing a 300+ program; I'm not sure if that is still the case with the new metrics.
Chaifetz Arena only holds 10,600. Even for a sellout, they are a few thousand behind us on an off night.
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Interesting notes from kenpom after 1 night of games (about 175 games):
- lowest scoring opening night since 2015
- pace of play down 1.5 poss per game from last 3 years

Since his database started 20+ years ago:
- fewest fouls
- highest 2pt%
- lowest Off Reb% & lowest Assist%
- 2nd lowest TO%
- 2nd highest 3PA%
- 3rd highest FT%
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In a completely uninteresting night of college hoops, SLU outscored Harris Stowe 73-31.... in the first half. 127-54 final. I'm not sure what, if anything SLU got out of that matchup. It was their 2nd game in 2 nights... none of the starters played more than 18 min. They play again on Friday.... no rest for the weary I guess.
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thursday 11/11...


GW @ Maryland (-17.5)


Hawaii, after knocking off Hawaii-Hilo is on the SLU plan and play N Colorado tonight, but I think there is some sort of 3 way setup there with Pacific as well. Perhaps something put together due to COVID travel restrictions into/out of hawaii (There are worse places to quarantine I'm sure)
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GW giving Maryland all they can handle. Down by 3 with under 2 minutes to go.

Fatts Russell hits big 3 for Maryland to make it 6 with half minute left.

71-64 MD. But GW looks like a tough foe this year.

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The lower quality D1 programs are asking for too much guaranteed buy game $? So, SLU decided to go the cheaper route? Harris-Stowe doesn't charge as much.
Travel costs are minimal. Harris-Stowe is closer to Chaifetz than most of the SLU residence halls, as its right across the street from the arena.
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Perhaps it was a gesture back to the local school, an act of goodwill.


Anyhoo, as mentioned above GW lost a close one @ Maryland.


UC Riverside knocked off Arizona St on the road with a 70 foot heave as time expired to win by 1.
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On to the weekend:


Its a Friday during the football season, which means there are usual a decent number of games played compared to your typical friday later in the year, tonight is no exception, though being early in the year, nothing all too exciting.


Bryant @ Rhody (-11)
Utah St @ Richmond (-6) Utah St should be pretty good, so this is a great test for da Spiders
Kent St @ X.. X struggled in their 1st game, I have no clue is Kent St is any good
Charleston So @ Ole Miss
Fordham @ Manhatten (-4.5) would be nice to see the Rams spring the upset
Penn @ Mason (-7)
Wright St @ Marshall (-3.5) seems like a pretty decent matchup, on ESPN+
E Illinois @ SLU (-21.5)
UMass @ Yale (-1)
Pitt @ WVU Decent Rivalry game, WVU is good, Pitt I'm not sure about
Va Tech @ Navy (+9) Navy won @ UVA to start the year, can the pick up another upset?
San Diego St @ BYU, should be a great matchup
SMU @ #13 Oregon (-7)

#4 Nova @ #2 UCLA


Saturday:


UIC @ Valpo
Mt St Marys @ St Joes
UCF @ Miami
Albany @ LaSalle
Hofstra @ Duquesne
Georgia @ UC
Wagner @ VCU
Davidson @ San Fran Solid test for Davidson, USF is usually pretty good
GW @ UC San Diego (seems odd they would play on a thrusday then fly cross country to play on a Saturday, bad scheduling there)
#5 Texas @ #1 Gonzaga


Sunday:


#20 FSU @ Florida

Canisus @ #20 St Bona (seems Bona is getting all their upstate rivalries out of the way)
Morgan St @ Mason
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Wanna know the collective lack of give a **** about November college hoops? Two top five matchups begin at 11:30 PN eastern on a Friday and 10:30 eastern in the middle of a primetime college football Saturday night. So next time people talk to me about whether college basketball has any pool in terms of conference realignment, I will just point to this.
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Wanna know the collective lack of give a **** about November college hoops? Two top five matchups begin at 11:30 PN eastern on a Friday and 10:30 eastern in the middle of a primetime college football Saturday night. So next time people talk to me about whether college basketball has any pool in terms of conference realignment, I will just point to this.
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I agree that basketball doesn't stir the drink, football does, but the world doesn't revolve around EST either. If the games are on the west coast then the
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Wanna know the collective lack of give a **** about November college hoops? Two top five matchups begin at 11:30 PN eastern on a Friday and 10:30 eastern in the middle of a primetime college football Saturday night. So next time people talk to me about whether college basketball has any pool in terms of conference realignment, I will just point to this.
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I agree that basketball doesn't stir the drink, football does, but the world doesn't revolve around EST either. If the games are on the west coast then the
start times seem reasonable for the fans that follow and support the teams.
Both of those games were indeed on the west coast. Friday night was Nova at UCLA and Saturday is Texas at Gonzaga.
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Conference took a hit last night with Utah St over Richmond 85-74; Manhatten over Fordham 66-60; Yale over UMASS 91-77. George Mason may be the hidden gem with a convincing win over Penn.
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Rodney Chatman has sustained a knee injury in a Vanderbilt scrimmage and is out for four to six weeks. On the Vanderbilt web site, it mentions that Chatman missed 12 games due to injury at Dayton. I did not realize that he was hurt that much at Dayton.
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Rodney Chatman has sustained a knee injury in a Vanderbilt scrimmage and is out for four to six weeks. On the Vanderbilt web site, it mentions that Chatman missed 12 games due to injury at Dayton. I did not realize that he was hurt that much at Dayton.
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I was surprised a little too. He scored only 95 points all year. This certainly was causal in our dismal 7th place performance.
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St L got pounded by Memphis, 90-74. They were down 15 at the half.
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St L got pounded by Memphis, 90-74. They were down 15 at the half.
Tough night for SLU. It was close in the first half at times, but Memphis is a much better team at this point.

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Good, about time they started pulling their weight.
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George Mason with a first year coach goes on the road and beats a ranked Maryland team
That was a massive upset BTW.

Kenpom gave them an 8% chance of winning and losing by 16.

13.5 point underdog.

Maryland ranked #20

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Bonnies blew an 18-6 lead and are down at the half to Boise State in Charleston.
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Davidson loses a close one to New Mexico state in Myrtle Beach

Bonnies blew an 18-6 lead and are down at the half to Boise State in Charleston.
Bonnies come back for a 67-61 win. Nice 2nd half rebound by the Bonnies.
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Marquette 5-0 with wins over Illinois, Mississippi and now West Virginia despite having 10 freshman on the team. Must be nice to have good coaching
Texas fans literally high-fived each other after Shaka was finally pushed out -- something they'd been begging for over the past 2-3 seasons. Great recruiter, but a complete lack of in-game coaching made him the most unpopular man in Austin.

Every single hire is a risk. Even Mick Cronin was a risk for UCLA. Tremendous consistency at UC, but hit a brick wall in the postseason based on expectations and regular season performance. And couldn't consistently beat his crosstown rival despite probably having better teams.
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And couldn't consistently beat his crosstown rival despite probably having better teams.
I am not so sure about that, those X teams he lost to were not slouches.
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Frankie Policelli continues to play for Stony Brook. Hes played in all 4 games and got 2 starts. Hes averaging 6 points, mostly 3 pointers. Hes averaging 33 percent on his shots. He is listed as 67 and 215 pounds. So, hes gained a lot of weight since he was at Dayton.
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Frankie Policelli continues to play for Stony Brook. Hes played in all 4 games and got 2 starts. Hes averaging 6 points, mostly 3 pointers. Hes averaging 33 percent on his shots. He is listed as 67 and 215 pounds. So, hes gained a lot of weight since he was at Dayton.
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Thats exactly how he was listed when he was here:

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Glad to see Purdue at #1, as they are my second fav team. The #1 curse will get them soon.

Duke looked like an NBA team against the Zags, but they were somewhat lethargic last night.
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Miami wins at Penn State - 63 - 58
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Washington State opened up P12 play with a 51-29 win @ Arizona St. No, that is not a football score, WSU was leading 18-10 at half time. After looking like a coaching star on the rise, seat is starting to get warm for Bobby Hurley I'd imagine.


VTech won @ Maryland.
N Illinois beat Eastern Illinois and somewhere S Illinois cried
Miami won @ Penn State as noted above, however B10 wins the ACC challenge
LSU beat Ohio, wonder who Joe Burrow was cheering for?


A-10 went 5-3 (not including UD's victory), worst loss being Duquesne dropping one at home to BGSU. Rhody and Richmond picked up somewhat decent road scalps.
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Not much of note tonight.



Oakland is @ Ill-Chicago.
Valpo is a big underdog @ Drake (who lost to Belmont)
St Mary's is at Utah St, which could be a fun game to watch (no clue if its on TV anywhere)


Not a single ranked team plays (washington @ #11 Zona was cancelled, I'll assume Covid, but don't know)
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Old 12-02-2021, 12:39 PM
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Wait, I thought some on this site said Miami was terrible and has beaten no one.
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Wait, I thought some on this site said Miami was terrible and has beaten no one.
Considering a bad Penn State team is their best win...that still stands.
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Wait, I thought some on this site said Miami was terrible and has beaten no one.
Is Penn St. good?
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Old 12-02-2021, 12:51 PM
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Is Penn St. good?
Define "good"?
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According to Torvik ratings, they'll end up around 14-17 and 130 in the NET. So certainly not great, and definitely not terrible but where is the line drawn b/w bad and good? I'd say they are averagish?


Torivk would also claim N Texas as Miami's best win, though that came on a neutral court in Orlando vs last nights win @ Penn St, so you could certainly argue that is Miami's best win to date.


Miami, Penn St and Dayton are all currently projected to finish the season around the same point in whatever metric you want to use. Certainly seems like UD is trending in the right direction and in best position to exceed current projections.
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Define "good"?
Do they qualify as being "somone" that Miami has beaten?
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Old 12-02-2021, 01:00 PM
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People love to throw out things like "pay a living wage" or good or bad team, but when asked to define it, they struggle.
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People love to throw out things like "pay a living wage" or good or bad team, but when asked to define it, they struggle.
I don't know what the definition is I was just asking if Penn St. was good because someone alluded to Miami beating them proved they had beaten "someone"...
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Tonight on ESPN+, the two powerhouses that Dayton played, will play each other. Belmont and Lipscomb will play. The game is being played at Belmont.
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I don't know what the definition is I was just asking if Penn St. was good because someone alluded to Miami beating them proved they had beaten "someone"...
Lions beat Youngstown State, St. Francis BKN, Cornell, and Oregon State.

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Old 12-04-2021, 11:16 PM
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Roll Tide. They beat Georgia in FB and the Zags in BB. How good does that tourney win look right now?
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Belmont shredded Lipscomb by about 30. Belmont is no joke. Lipscomb was 5-19 from trey. Against us they were 10-18. Its about making -- and missing -- shots.
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