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Old 02-10-2017, 07:39 PM
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Old 02-10-2017, 09:32 PM
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Crosby 0-4 from field, 1 TO - Need I say more?
We just beat a good team on the road and that is all you got to say????? Pretty sad!
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Even I cant complain about Crosby. This is our season defining moment. No telling what this leads too
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Old 02-10-2017, 09:36 PM
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Even I cant complain about Crosby. This is our season defining moment. No telling what this leads too
A wide open door to the Big Tourney, that's what!
The cajones on this team are frikin' impressssiiiiiivvvvvveeeeee!!!!
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By broken record you mean the record that this senior class is about to break for most wins by a class???
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Whatever. Coach around the weakness, boost his confidence and hope he comes around. Road win at URI to maintain 1st in the league. I'll take it. Root for the guy, the Flyers need him to figure it out.
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Old 02-10-2017, 09:53 PM
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Come on man, he had no fouls! Lighten up Francis.

That was a huge win, how about losing the negative waves?
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In all fairness, he posted that a half hour into the game. Enjoy the win and stop the pile on. Too many people on this board are trolling to put down other posters. Give him a break. At the time, I think he was posting what many of us were thinking...
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In all fairness, he posted that a half hour into the game. Enjoy the win and stop the pile on. Too many people on this board are trolling to put down other posters. Give him a break. At the time, I think he was posting what many of us were thinking...
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Crosby 0-4 from field, 1 TO - Need I say more?
Have faith OC...in Archie I trust.

Soon we will watch as this senior class sets the record for W's in the storied history of UD hoops...AND....not one of them looked particularly "record-setting" when they were freshman.

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Have faith OC...in Archie I trust.

Soon we will watch as this senior class sets the record for W's in the storied history of UD hoops...AND....not one of them looked particularly "record-setting" when they were freshman.

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Difference is JC is already near end of his sophomore year. I think he is really a good kid, but some players have it and some don't.
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Old 02-11-2017, 10:43 AM
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This is mean spirited stuff.

Our UD KID is a superb athlete...He will most certainly get better.

He knows better than anyone that he is not living up to his abilities. Hope he, his family and friends don't read these posts.

I already regret posting this because it continues this pointless bantering...but needed to vent.
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This is mean spirited stuff.

Our UD KID is a superb athlete...He will most certainly get better.

He knows better than anyone that he is not living up to his abilities. Hope he, his family and friends don't read these posts.

I already regret posting this because it continues this pointless bantering...but needed to vent.
If Crosby is reading this board... then I hope he uses threads like this one as his " tackling fuel" !
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People were saying the same thing about DD his sophomore year, and look at him now. Trust Archie and trust the system.
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I'm pretty sure Archie is tougher on Crosby than any of us...so I'm sure he can take it. Most D1 athletes aren't snowflakes. And most 20 year old's aren't kids. He'll be fine as long as he avoids the trap that some would like to set up.
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Crosby drives me as nuts as anyone else, but you see the potential and the flashes of play on the court that show he could be a contributing player on a winning team. I'm trusting Archie and Co. will help Crosby develop into the player he wants to be. I'm not giving up on anyone with the Flying D on their chest.
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Let's be candid here. This MB was saying it a month ago. He has turned the corner incredibly fast.
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Let's be candid here. This MB was saying it a month ago. He has turned the corner incredibly fast.
I agree completely. For some reason the light hasn't gotten that he needs to slow down.

When I look at the development of:

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Why in the world would we be so quick to dismiss the kid? He has shown improvement at times. It's in him, he just needs to relax.

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I agree completely. For some reason the light hasn't gotten that he needs to slow down.

When I look at the development of:

Devin Oliver
Matt Kavanaugh (yes he got better)
CJ
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Cooke
Pollard's FT's
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KD...all shooting
DD - seems to have found his role & groove, not to mention D

Why in the world would we be so quick to dismiss the kid? He has shown improvement at times. It's in him, he just needs to relax.

It. can. be. done.
Yeah, well, of that list the only one that seems to have, or at least ever have since they were at UD, a "me first" mentality was Cooke and I haven't seen the development. And Crosby's issues seem to be along the same lines. A PG that can't seem to put the ball in another person's hands for success. Not good. You know every time Crosby comes into the game, by the 2nd time he touches the basketball, he's putting up a shot. It really shouldn't take over 1.5 years of college basketball to learn that's not good for the team.
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Yeah, well, of that list the only one that seems to have, or at least ever have since they were at UD, a "me first" mentality was Cooke and I haven't seen the development. And Crosby's issues seem to be along the same lines. A PG that can't seem to put the ball in another person's hands for success. Not good. You know every time Crosby comes into the game, by the 2nd time he touches the basketball, he's putting up a shot. It really shouldn't take over 1.5 years of college basketball to learn that's not good for the team.
It really has little to do with athletic ability. I can tell you that 90% is decision making. Knowing when to create and when to dish off. A,perfect example was scooch last night. He could have forced the shot against two defenders, but penetrated and kicked out to the open man for the shot. John hasn't learned the basic pg skills. You can't continue to put yourself in bad situations where you have nowhere to go with the ball.
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It really has little to do with athletic ability. I can tell you that 90% is decision making. Knowing when to create and when to dish off. A,perfect example was scooch last night. He could have forced the shot against two defenders, but penetrated and kicked out to the open man for the shot. John hasn't learned the basic pg skills. You can't continue to put yourself in bad situations where you have nowhere to go with the ball.
When last night was over, it sure felt Scooch had those two assists to XW up his sleave a long time. He can go all game and not set up a 3 point play that perfectly and then does it twice within 12 seconds. It seemed we only had 3 players on offense for those two plays. Scooch, XW and Kendall(with his wicked screens). I have no clue who else was on the floor.

And can I safely say that when needing a dagger score to win the game and on the floor are SS, KD, CC, XW and KP, the last person I want to see with the ball in their hands is now is CC?
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And can I safely say that when needing a dagger score to win the game and on the floor are SS, KD, CC, XW and KP, the last person I want to see with the ball in their hands is now is CC?
I don't necessarily agree with your premise of not wanting Cooke to have the ball/shoot it in that situation. His presence/reputation usually draws the other teams best wing defender who is not going to dig/help off of him which creates more open space for Scoochie to make a play via a shot or a kick to somebody else. Scoochie is smart enough to to make the right play either way.

One thing I haven't seen anyone point out is the execution to get the winning 3 pointer by Xman. Without a timeout Archie was able to communicate to Scoochie and everyone else on the court the play they wanted to run after the FT and the players executed it well. It was obvious it was something they had done in practice and they didn't need a timeout to run it. That is great coaching and preparation in a situation a lot of teams would be running around clueless without a timeout to tell everybody what the plan was.

One more thing I forgot was the great job by Kuwik and Griffin immediately turning and going down the bench to make sure nobody was even thinking about putting even a foot on the court.

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And can I safely say that when needing a dagger score to win the game and on the floor are SS, KD, CC, XW and KP, the last person I want to see with the ball in their hands is now is CC?
Raise your Royal scepter if you thought XW should be the first choice to have taken the game winning shot last night? My preference was Scoochie driving for a layup...or dish to Kendall...or pass out to Cooke.

My point: It's nice to have options that the opponent probably doesn't expect.

As for Crosby, he'll always have my support so long as he doesn't rape and pillage the campus. Miller will work with him and he'll get the playing time he deserves. I only expect him/them all to behave and can tolerate the occasional recruiting miss so long as they avoid trouble.
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Raise your Royal scepter if you thought XW should be the first choice to have taken the game winning shot last night? My preference was Scoochie driving for a layup...or dish to Kendall...or pass out to Cooke.

My point: It's nice to have options that the opponent probably doesn't expect.

As for Crosby, he'll always have my support so long as he doesn't rape and pillage the campus. Miller will work with him and he'll get the playing time he deserves. I only expect him/them all to behave and can tolerate the occasional recruiting miss so long as they avoid trouble.
Scepter raised. But only after seeing him hit the first one. Cooke being on the floor is one thing, but when the pressure is on, Cooke looks more like Crosby and passing the ball back to Scoochie is not in his DNA. I saw on RI board someone calling Matthews their most overrated player and thought to myself, yeah, we have one of those named Cooke.
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I made the comment in real time before halftime. It's very frustrating to watch him.
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I made the comment in real time before halftime. It's very frustrating to watch him.
It's frustrating because we all can see how talented and athletic he is...and we all know he's going to be an important cog next season.
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Scoochie 234 shots in 740 minutes, so a shot every 3.2 minutes.
Crosby 76 shots in 352 minutes, so a shot every 4.6 minutes.
Cooke is at 2.7.

Among all scholarship players only DD is lower than Crosby at 4.1

To some it may seem like Crosby shoots immediately, but just not true.
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Scoochie 234 shots in 740 minutes, so a shot every 3.2 minutes.
Crosby 76 shots in 352 minutes, so a shot every 4.6 minutes.
Cooke is at 2.7.

Among all scholarship players only DD is lower than Crosby at 4.1

To some it may seem like Crosby shoots immediately, but just not true.
That's because the 25 or so times he drove in traffic for a shot and got pickpocketed doesn't show up in that stat.

You can keep trying to put lipstick on that pig Jack, but we're not seeing good play out of him and neither or you.
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I suggest everyone read today's DDN. Even the sports writers mention the poor play. Let's live in realville. As Jablonski states-we can't afford to play him when scooch is in foul trouble because he's so prone to turnovers.
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I suggest everyone read today's DDN. Even the sports writers mention the poor play. Let's live in realville. As Jablonski states-we can't afford to play him when scooch is in foul trouble because he's so prone to turnovers.
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That's because the 25 or so times he drove in traffic for a shot and got pickpocketed doesn't show up in that stat.

You can keep trying to put lipstick on that pig Jack, but we're not seeing good play out of him and neither or you.
Just giving you the facts, as someone said that he shoots the second time he touches the ball. Now I watch every minute of the games, and my perception was that at times he drives into traffic, gets nervous when he feels defensive and puts up nervous shots. But he does not shoot more than, or sooner than anyone else. But hey, perception is much more important than reality.

BTW easy to criticize how Crosby has played, but I do not hear any reasonable solutions, other than trying DD at point. However, DD will start at off guard next year, and will not be available for many point guard minutes. Kyle is not a solution for the next two years. Archie knows he has a problem for next year, and not playing Crosby does not help solve it.

I sort of have a hunch that Archie is fully vetting Crosby, while recruiting another point guard, which is very hard. If Archie finds his guy, then he asks John to move on. If Archie is not successful, he has developed John as a reasonable backup for next year.
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When WILL the freshmen be on campus full-time? When are they ALLOWED on campus full-time? If i'm McKinley Wright, i get here the second i can. I said it a month ago or so, chisel it in stone, if McKinley and John are the PG's next year, McKinley gets the nod Day 1.
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When WILL the freshmen be on campus full-time? When are they ALLOWED on campus full-time? If i'm McKinley Wright, i get here the second i can. I said it a month ago or so, chisel it in stone, if McKinley and John are the PG's next year, McKinley gets the nod Day 1.
Maybe.

While JC hasn't helped himself, it's hard to bet against Archie's body of work in developing players. Maybe the light will come on, perhaps it will not. Turning the program over to an inbound freshman seems like a reach. If JC "get's it", that's good for the program. If MW comes in as Scoochie 2.0, that's good for the program.

This could play out as two W's or two L's. That's 8 months away. Right now, let's appreciate one of the top, if not the top point guard to come through the program in a long, long, time, if ever.
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What is offensive to some are phrases that are clearly nasty, mean and offensive remarks that are made by so called fans. We all forget at times that these are amateurs just trying to get a college education, play the game they love and meet the expectations of their loyal fans.
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You can keep trying to put lipstick on that pig Jack, but we're not seeing good play out of him and neither or you.


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Agree.While it is frustrating as hell to watch, JC will NOT be forgotten by this coaching staff and I'm sure they're working long hours with him now and will be in the off season. He shows glimpses of improving and then does more of the same silly stuff..He's certainly not at the emotional and maturity level they need him to be at but I'm not giving up on him.....IMO. they will have a pretty nice 1-2 punch at the PG position next year..

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Start Crosby over Scoochie! The dude is straight killin it right now. Dude can shoot 3s better than curry!
Very nice game by Crosby, but let's not go overboard here lol I mean the Scoochie thing, not Curry.
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My eyesight is failing. I swear Crosby looked like a D1 player tonight.

The thing that is interesting is those who bashed Crosby, and said he was hopeless, were also bashing Archie's judgement and ability to coach him. Never doubt Archie, never.
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My eyesight is failing. I swear Crosby looked like a D1 player tonight.

The thing that is interesting is those who bashed Crosby, and said he was hopeless, were also bashing Archie's judgement and ability to coach him. Never doubt Archie, never.
I lived in the present, not the future. I've learned never to count out a player for Archie. Now Maddog, if he had his way, both Crosby and DD would be behind Gruden on the depth chart and would be paying their own way through college next year.
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So, at 48-47, Cooke his a 3. Then Crosby hits a 3. Cunningham layup. Crosby offensive rebounds his own miss and got fouled, which leads to a free throw. Then Crosby hits another 3. All of the sudden it was 60-48. I was yelling no on that first Crosby 3. Then yes on the ones thereafter. Nice game Cros.
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JC deserves credit for his performance. When he drove he seemed to be in control and knew where his options to pass the ball were at excluding 1 possession. A step in the right direction offensively and hopefully it continues.
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JC deserves credit for his performance. When he drove he seemed to be in control and knew where his options to pass the ball were at excluding 1 possession. A step in the right direction offensively and hopefully it continues.
Crosby, IMRO, deserves the Golden Award for today's win. His poise and confidence was the key factor for my Flyers.
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Okay, not to rain on parades, but I think the real test is the next couple games. Crosby had a great game tonight. But does that take pressure off of him and then he goes too wild again? Sure seems like that's possible. This could be a crossroads for him. Is he learning to let the game come to him or does he think he's now free to play Harlem Globetrotter type ball again?
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Got to have everybody to advance in the post-season, so I'm glad to hear Crosby perhaps is coming around. I thought he also had a reasonable performance against SLU as well. Late game against a poor team but he appeared to not be doing the usual drive into the lane and fumble bit. Too easy to get mad at these guys and forget that coaches are still working on breaking bad habits and bringing them around to an understanding of how to play the game. Some have it right away and some are projects. *I'd say most often it's the later.

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The only way Crosby gets better is playing in games. Practice and mop up time don't improve game speed decision making.

Balancing how much to play while trying to win out is why Archie makes big money. Giving him more time when he is playing well is an easy decision to make both for now and the future.
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Thought he was player of the game. One game. Still think he is not the future. His other 58 games would seem to carry more weight than 12 good minutes last night, we'll see. Rooting for him, betting against him.
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Do I think he's the point guard of the future if UD continues the success of the past four years? Very debatable.

Not worthy of a D1 scholarship? That's laughable.
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Thought he was player of the game. One game. Still think he is not the future. His other 58 games would seem to carry more weight than 12 good minutes last night, we'll see. Rooting for him, betting against him.
I see it more as a directional thing...a weighted moving average if you will. As long as the momentum is moving in a positive direction, I'm confident that the trend will continue.

Now, its all about JC turning his last couple of games into a trend..

Lotta people gave up on DD and frankly, I still think his best is yet to come too.
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JC had 0 turnovers last night. He also had 0 assists. The kid can play if he gets out of his head. This year he's been playing with 1 foot in Archie's system and 1 foot in his own system. No freedom of movement or confidence.

But to be the starting PG next year he doesn't need to score 12 PPG, he needs to control the offense and create offense without turning the ball over.

At this point I'll take ANY success for JC though.
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Thought he was player of the game. One game. Still think he is not the future. His other 58 games would seem to carry more weight than 12 good minutes last night, we'll see. Rooting for him, betting against him.

In life (putting on my philosopher's hat), if you are fortunate, there is usually one moment that changes your life's performance. It just puts you suddenly into a different zone. It is enlightening and incredibly inspirational. It provides renewed confidence in yourself that you can do it. Eureka...

I hope JC has this realization...

He looked like a different player. We don't have a crystal ball so none of us knows if he is the future PG. I know we all "rooting for him". The most recent PG who suddenly played well was Khari Price. He was a nothing then suddenly was great and suddenly indispensable player.
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Originally Posted by jack72 View Post
My eyesight is failing. I swear Crosby looked like a D1 player tonight.

The thing that is interesting is those who bashed Crosby, and said he was hopeless, were also bashing Archie's judgement and ability to coach him. Never doubt Archie, never.
C'mon the guy has 1 great game against middling competition and you're going to beat your chest to try to justify your initial great appraisal of Crosby? Just playing with you, Jack. I know you can take it
Something reminds of a thread where you said he'd be better than Scoochie once?

He had a great game, nice. But calling out people who've basically been justified for their criticism, right up until George Mason, is petty.

I've criticised him. Don't believe I've slandered him at all but I have said he will never be as good as Scoochie. I'm not above a mea culpa if he should excell to that level though.
He's had some terrible games. More than a few.
Thanks for pointing out the op posted this thread very early in the game. Some things need context and you provided that, but don't forget it applies to all

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I didn't see this story about Crosby from yesterday's DDN posted:

Dayton Flyers John Crosby silences critics vs. George Mason

The point I want to make is that these guys know what's being said and written about them here and elsewhere. I wonder if some of the posts about John lately were crafted with this in mind. I think the way he played in some games earned him valid critisism, but I also think that some of the posts were out of line.
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C'mon the guy has 1 great game against middling competition and you're going to beat your chest to try to justify your initial great appraisal of Crosby?
I think most fans are just giddy over seeing some light at the end of the tunnel with Crosby.

Also, the four buckets he made could just as easily been against VCU. He was open for the 3's for a couple seconds, squared up and nailed them. Their guards weren't middling, they were pretty good and quick. Also the pull up J he hit would have been good against anyone.
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I didn't see this story about Crosby from yesterday's DDN posted:

Dayton Flyers John Crosby silences critics vs. George Mason

The point I want to make is that these guys know what's being said and written about them here and elsewhere. I wonder if some of the posts about John lately were crafted with this in mind. I think the way he played in some games earned him valid critisism, but I also think that some of the posts were out of line.
Sure guys know what's being said and written! And Arch and Jablonski use UDPride as one of their sources! Again, for the most part it is criticism period. But to incorporate the word "haters" into this story, in my opinion, is over the top.
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Sure guys know what's being said and written! And Arch and Jablonski use UDPride as one of their sources! Again, for the most part it is criticism period. But to incorporate the word "haters" into this story, in my opinion, is over the top.
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"haters" is much a throw away line, has been that way for 20 years, so its not just the "cool kids" but middle aged men.

If you go back and read the article on him from his frosh season, talking about his mother and his up bringing, wanting to get out of his neighborhood, valuing education, etc.... it was easy to root for the young man from that moment on, I think all any of us wanted was some steady play on the court, no body needs him to be as good as Scoochie quite yet, but we all (himself included I'm sure) want him to at least hold serve when he's in there and continue to learn. It seemed like he was starting to turn the corner in the 2 prior games, forget the buckets he made, he's now committed only 3 turnovers in his last 40 minutes of action over the course of 3 games. I think we'll all take that, his decision making, mainly his attacking the middle of the lane with seemingly no plan has been reduced. I think we all trust in Archie enough that if John is willing to put in the work (sounds like he is) his shot will get there.

I hope he keeps it up, the team will certainly need him to come up big again like he did against Mason sometime in the next month.
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JC had 0 turnovers last night. He also had 0 assists. The kid can play if he gets out of his head. This year he's been playing with 1 foot in Archie's system and 1 foot in his own system. No freedom of movement or confidence.

But to be the starting PG next year he doesn't need to score 12 PPG, he needs to control the offense and create offense without turning the ball over.

At this point I'll take ANY success for JC though.
Crosby assists is at .094/minute played, Scoochie at .138/minute.
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Crosby has almost the same number of turnovers as field goals for his career, an almost unheard of level of incompetence. We're Scoochie to challenge this dubious stat he'd have to turn the ball over 159 times .....without scoring a basket!
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Half our team has more TO's than assists. Kyle is off the charts good, and so is Scoochie. But I would think most 2nd and 3rd string point guards are close to 1:1 A/TO ratio simply because they don't get the reps with the first line players, and they don't get the minutes.
Vee Sanford was about the same as Crosby in A/TO. Same with Josh Parker his Senior year.
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Crosby possesses a lot of potential. He really could be a mini Charles Cooke. He needs to learn to be somewhat slow and methodical like Scoochie and then use speed bursts for easy buckets rather than going full throttle from start to finish. All this really requires is that early in the shot clock he pass the ball looking for assists or assists to assists. Once he gets the ball back a 2nd or 3rd time he should use speed burst toward the hoop and then either lay it in or kick it out for easy 3s.

His shooting scares me. I know he's got a great percentage from 3 points this year but his shot looks very wild and inconsistent to me.
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Crosby made the comment the other day, "the game is beginning to slow down for all of us now". I almost fell off my chair. John is the biggest beneficiary of slowing down.
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here is the article I mentioned above, still behind the DDN paywall, but you can scroll thru and read it line by line if want.
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I get the add thing up on most articles after my first 4, but usually you can still read the last couple of lines so just scrolling slowly down gives you the article. I could clear my browser or use multiple browsers to expand my 4, heck I could probably get a code from my father who still gets a daily subscription if I wanted, but there is only a small inconvenience at the moment.
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Try opening an incognito tab in chrome. It works for the local papers in pittsburgh. If I read a lot of articles i'd just subscribe usually its only a few a month.

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I really hope this kid makes it. Looking at him in a whole new light.
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Well, I'm almost back to 'looking' at him as I was when he was recruited. Not quite. I can live with lapses in shooting but playing the point as a distributor, and the generator/maintainer of tempo, has to be consistently good. That ability takes precedence over all his other attributes imo. It should come second nature and should travel as well as defense does. The ability to take care of the ball and run the offense is paramount. And his trial-by-fire this season is why I believe he will be the starter next year. And I'm good with it. I hope he turns the corner and lays on the throttle. We need him.

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I think we owe it to John to close this thread.

Well done John Crosby. Well done. Lost in the last couple games, look who is turning the corner.

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Even when people were down on Crosby, I think most of us were still rooting for him. He's a good kid. Sometimes it just takes a little longer for some.
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During the pregame inerview Larry commented to Archie that he must have high expetations on the senior leadership at this point. Archie surprised me and said to the effect- No, the sophomores need to rise up and play well.... These kids are starting to do just that- X with 17 pts, Crosby with only 1 TO in 10 minutes, Chip picking his moments to give us a boost... Archie does know talent when he sees it that others can't...
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Yes. I was very critical of him and questioned his ability to start next year. I still question that he will be an effective starting PG.

But at no point was I rooting against him. That is what some people here fail to understand. Questioning a player doesn't mean you don't want him to succeed.
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During the pregame inerview Larry commented to Archie that he must have high expetations on the senior leadership at this point. Archie surprised me and said to the effect- No, the sophomores need to rise up and play well.... These kids are starting to do just that- X with 17 pts, Crosby with only 1 TO in 10 minutes, Chip picking his moments to give us a boost... Archie does know talent when he sees it that others can't...
Chip Mikesell needs to work on his defense.
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Chip Mikesell needs to work on his defense.
Amen, but he did in the second behalf. Got to hand it to him, he looks like crap for a few possessions then plays great. He tries to overplay his guy and has no recovery speed. Once Aldridge got tired, it was over.
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Amen, but he did in the second behalf. Got to hand it to him, he looks like crap for a few possessions then plays great. He tries to overplay his guy and has no recovery speed. Once Aldridge got tired, it was over.
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Aldridge did get tired but it ended up on Pollard at the end. Mikesell simply couldn't get the job done. Ryan made a couple shots but defensively he was not adequate.
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Cold to Tepid to I think I think that I feel heat in the jacuzzi. Keep building Crosby, UD is with you!!
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I guarantee NO ONE was rooting against Crosby. Just extrememly critical. No one wants these guys to succeed more then the members on this board.
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Is this Chip Mikesell business a reference to Chip Hare or is this over my head?
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Mikesell . . . potato chip
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It refers to Mikesell's Potato Chips
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I see what you did there. I havent figure out if i like it or hate it.

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Scoochie had a very mediocre to poor game until OT. Give credit to Archie for sticking Crosby in at different points in the first and second half.

Fans have been critical of Crosby, but Archie hung with him during the last two games. Would other coaches have stayed loyal to John? Archie did and it paid off twice in a row.
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Chip Mikesell needs to work on his defense.
Sometimes I feel like AM gives Mikesell match-ups that are not great for him, sort of like the sacrificial lamb so other match-ups work. I also feel like Aldridge was not a good match-up for XW either as he struggled with it too.
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Sometimes I feel like AM gives Mikesell match-ups that are not great for him, sort of like the sacrificial lamb so other match-ups work. I also feel like Aldridge was not a good match-up for XW either as he struggled with it too.
He simply struggles guarding anybody who is able to play out on the wing. He is just too slow and gets driven by all the time. Best matchup for him is a guy who actually posts up and can't shoot the 3.

And you're right that Xman struggled with Aldridge too. He was getting spun around like a top by the screens and cuts PA was making. If Gibbs wasn't going off too I think Archie might have put Cooke on Aldridge instead. Thank goodness Kendall decided to put in defensive effort(something he doesn't do all the time) he did the last 5 minutes and OT.
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Mr Crosby has fully redeemed himself. I'm a newbie to this Board, but I humbly request that this thread that I started in a hasty fit of rage be taken down.

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