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Xeyrius Williams Prospective

I used to liked Xeyrius Williams' game. He brought high value to the floor. IMO his value came in the form of:
- ability to finish at the rim
- solid defense down low
- energetic offense
- ability to knock down open shot
truly a multi-dimensional threat... see his freshman year highlights here

Starting last year, we started to see his game evolve. He relied more on his 3-point shot. And that worked.

But this year, it seems like his role has been limited to a 3-point specialist (assuming that's by AG design). And I don't get it. It's lowered his ceiling so much. I think AG and him need to "reset" his style of play. His potential is too high to waste. Here's my recommendations:
#1 don't stop moving on offense. defenses have to respect his 3-point threat so constant "movement" will open up backdoor cuts, curling off screens and make him a nightmare to defend. good luck going under a screen on a good 3-point shooter.
#2 more ball fakes. defenses are guarding him so close because they know he can knock down the 3. his size and athleticism give him a "slasher" tool
#3 crash the offensive boards. he's longer and more athletic than most of the guys guarding him
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Originally Posted by UD_PAC_2006 View Post
I used to liked Xeyrius Williams' game. He brought high value to the floor. IMO his value came in the form of:
- ability to finish at the rim
- solid defense down low
- energetic offense
- ability to knock down open shot
truly a multi-dimensional threat... see his freshman year highlights here

Starting last year, we started to see his game evolve. He relied more on his 3-point shot. And that worked.

But this year, it seems like his role has been limited to a 3-point specialist (assuming that's by AG design). And I don't get it. It's lowered his ceiling so much. I think AG and him need to "reset" his style of play. His potential is too high to waste. Here's my recommendations:
#1 don't stop moving on offense. defenses have to respect his 3-point threat so constant "movement" will open up backdoor cuts, curling off screens and make him a nightmare to defend. good luck going under a screen on a good 3-point shooter.
#2 more ball fakes. defenses are guarding him so close because they know he can knock down the 3. his size and athleticism give him a "slasher" tool
#3 crash the offensive boards. he's longer and more athletic than most of the guys guarding him
When he shoots a three successfully, he takes a lot of time setting himself and letting it go. He had that luxury last season as we had a team that was skilled at driving to the hoop and kicking it out and also making quick crisp passes that allowed wide open shots. As much as I've had issues with the way AG handles certain coaching aspects, I really doubt that he is telling one of his few big men to camp out in three point land. I think X has lost his spirit due to clashes with the coach and has just decided to coast until he can get out of here.
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When he shoots a three successfully, he takes a lot of time setting himself and letting it go. He had that luxury last season as we had a team that was skilled at driving to the hoop and kicking it out and also making quick crisp passes that allowed wide open shots. As much as I've had issues with the way AG handles certain coaching aspects, I really doubt that he is telling one of his few big men to camp out in three point land. I think X has lost his spirit due to clashes with the coach and has just decided to coast until he can get out of here.
What clashes can you give us. Details please!
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I used to liked Xeyrius Williams' game. He brought high value to the floor. IMO his value came in the form of:
- ability to finish at the rim
- solid defense down low
- energetic offense
- ability to knock down open shot
truly a multi-dimensional threat... see his freshman year highlights here

Starting last year, we started to see his game evolve. He relied more on his 3-point shot. And that worked.

But this year, it seems like his role has been limited to a 3-point specialist (assuming that's by AG design). And I don't get it. It's lowered his ceiling so much. I think AG and him need to "reset" his style of play. His potential is too high to waste. Here's my recommendations:
#1 don't stop moving on offense. defenses have to respect his 3-point threat so constant "movement" will open up backdoor cuts, curling off screens and make him a nightmare to defend. good luck going under a screen on a good 3-point shooter.
#2 more ball fakes. defenses are guarding him so close because they know he can knock down the 3. his size and athleticism give him a "slasher" tool
#3 crash the offensive boards. he's longer and more athletic than most of the guys guarding him
Why would you assume that Coach Grant designed that. Give us some info please!
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What clashes can you give us. Details please!
Just reading between the lines. This thread( http://www.udpride.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31910 ) and the fact he's been glued to the bench, I doubt it's because of his bitterness toward the Trump administration, his teachers, family, UDPRIDE nor anything else other than differences of opinion with his coach.
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Differences of opinion is a pretty broad category.
I have seen X as playing soft, Some on this board say he plays the way he plays because he is not built to mix it up inside. I suspect that AG expects everybody on the team to be willing to mix it up inside.

Look at DD. The biggest change in his game is not that he is shooting the ball better but that he is going inside and mixing it up. As a freshman DD was outside shooting the three or not on the court. Even in the next two years DD was most comfortable outside now he is asked to play inside. Is he a great defender inside or even a great offensive threat inside? Objectively no but he is more than willing to do what the coach asks him to do. I would say that some of his increase in scoring has come as a result of his taking the ball to the hole and doing those thing which are not in his comfort zone.

X has a lot of god given talent in shooting and jumping but he needs to bring the effort everyday to play mid major or better basketball. If X is unwilling to put in the effort either because he cannot play physical inside or is not comfortable playing physical inside then he has a right to be upset when the coach asks him to do it.

X would not have to be great inside, for AG to play him, the starting five defense is not something to write home about but he would need to bring the effort everyday and every play.

It may be better for both the Flyers and X if they part company. X can play and be a star at a lower division 1 school or at a division 3 school where his superior talent is not so much in need of the effort reinforcement that is required to play at this level.
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I'll never forget something Huggins said when he benched Staten. (It ALMOST got me to like Huggy.) He said something like - He wants to do things his way and he thinks his way is better than my way. Well, it might be but he's still going to do things my way. (I wish BG had done/said that.)
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At the end of the day, the coach holds the cards. AG is playing his hand how he feels best to improve the team and XW. I think XW should stay. I also think AG has a responsibility to get XW to contribute at a level better than last year. I also think XW should take the initiative to do so. suck it up and do so...for his teammates.

I have yet to see anything on the board that indicates 1st hand knowledge as to why this has deteriorated....

Was it:
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XW gets going
Gets hurt
Tries to come back
Feels he's ready
Doesn't get minutes
Sulks
Rides pine.

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Still not recovered
Rides pine.

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I think X has lost his spirit due to clashes with the coach and has just decided to coast until he can get out of here.
I don't see the coast it mentally from X but I could be wrong... where is he going to go as a Junior?

I feel like AG (and I could be wrong) tends to run our offense like an NBA offense. And tried the XW "nba-style" 3-point specialist experiment and it failed.
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When he shoots a three successfully, he takes a lot of time setting himself and letting it go. He had that luxury last season as we had a team that was skilled at driving to the hoop and kicking it out and also making quick crisp passes that allowed wide open shots. As much as I've had issues with the way AG handles certain coaching aspects, I really doubt that he is telling one of his few big men to camp out in three point land. I think X has lost his spirit due to clashes with the coach and has just decided to coast until he can get out of here.
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I went to the games in Charleston. It was obvious at that point that X wanted to sit at the three point line and fling it. He was an unbelievable 3-23, and just kept shooting with little penetration or defense. Shortly thereafter came the back injury. Nuff said.
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Is that really a new take here? I think that's pretty much been the consensus that he's mailed it in and doesn't care. But correct me if I'm wrong?
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XW has really improved his skills during the season. Unfortunately, I'm talking video game skills and not basketball.

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Is that really a new take here? I think that's pretty much been the consensus that he's mailed it in and doesn't care. But correct me if I'm wrong?
EVERYTHING I've heard from people within indicates that XW's minimal playing time has NOTHING to do with injuries.
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When Trey Landers is telling reporters he told XW if he practices hard he will earn playing time, isn't that all we need to know? The guys on this team that have "bought in" and practice hard/listen to the coaches are the ones playing.
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When Trey Landers is telling reporters he told XW if he practices hard he will earn playing time, isn't that all we need to know? The guys on this team that have "bought in" and practice hard/listen to the coaches are the ones playing.
Trey's comment came out 3-4 games ago and presumably he had that conversation with X 5-6 games ago, and since, X has not gotten any playing time - what does that tell you??
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I don’t think X was ever hurt, every game he did not dress he goofed off and never once did I get that he had a bad back, I would come home from the game and told my mom that like 3 times and of course she has no idea who X is, then I would go down in the basement and eat pizza rolls all night playing xbox yelling at the tv
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Wow, what a disappointment to hear it's an attitude issue and not injury/play issue. We were a better team because of him the last 2 years. Clearly could have used him this year. It's unreasonable to ask Matej Svoboda to step in as a freshman and play well, which it what we've had to do (i.e. 16 minutes vs. VCU).
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I managed large groups of people in my career and when I came across people who did not want to be "part of the team," I made their lives miserable...until they left. That is precisely what Anthony is doing with X. I think it is very clear he did not want to play Anthony's way, such as mixing it up in the paint, so Anthony is making his life miserable. The outcome will be X will be gone. I think John Crosby's story is a bit different. John was just making too many critical mistakes at the point.
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And, as some already realize, XWILLIAMS did not make the trip to Rhody. Reason is allegedly academic related?? Seems like odd timing for that, but I guess it's possible. One would assume it means something else under the combined circumstances.

I was really hoping he would get in the game tonight and hit some key threes for us; among other things.
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Trey's comment came out 3-4 games ago and presumably he had that conversation with X 5-6 games ago, and since, X has not gotten any playing time - what does that tell you??
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I really hate to see things like this. I feel like Dayton tries to go after quality kids. They are kids though, and sometimes hit rough patches. Whatever happens with X, I hope he gets things straightened out, here or somewhere else.
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I really hate to see things like this. I feel like Dayton tries to go after quality kids. They are kids though, and sometimes hit rough patches. Whatever happens with X, I hope he gets things straightened out, here or somewhere else.
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The media notes Hauschild hands out before remaining games need to reflect the Flyers are down to 8 scholarship players. Pierce and XW...see ya.
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The media notes Hauschild hands out before remaining games need to reflect the Flyers are down to 8 scholarship players. Pierce and XW...see ya.
So, essentially, we have 6 spots that could be filled for next year. Mikesell, Toppin, and Cohill will account for 3 of them. Could use a grad transfer or JUCO PG to help take the load off Crutcher, and a banger to take some of the load off Cunningham.

I know none of this is a done deal, but I think it should be, at this point. Anyone who made the trip for this beat down has earned the right to return (except DD, who can’t), and anyone on the DL (academic or athletic) deserves a chance. Beyond that...
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I really hate to see things like this. I feel like Dayton tries to go after quality kids. They are kids though, and sometimes hit rough patches. Whatever happens with X, I hope he gets things straightened out, here or somewhere else.
Not here, thank you. Move his butt out. He is a disgrace to the Flyer tradition.
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Don't forget Matos, the JUCO wing coming in.
Sorry. The week was a blur for me (and, unlike in my undergrad days, I was sober for all of it). So, essentially, all scholarships are filled for next year, except those that may be vacated. So, as far as I’m concerned, at this point, we still have 2 scholarships to give.
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I do not like how some posters are throwing seemingly the entire roster under the bus and assigning 100% of the blame to the players without also assigning some blame to Grant.

Grant has reportedly had conflict with Crosby, Pierce, and Williams. That is about 25% of the roster. That does not seem normal. Archie seemed to get along with all 3 just fine. Something seems amiss there.
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I do not like how some posters are throwing seemingly the entire roster under the bus and assigning 100% of the blame to the players without also assigning some blame to Grant.

Grant has reportedly had conflict with Crosby, Pierce, and Williams. That is about 25% of the roster. That does not seem normal. Archie seemed to get along with all 3 just fine. Something seems amiss there.
You are off base here. Crosby is terrible and can’t hold not the ball. Bucky and Larry made clear several weeks ago that Pierce has literally walked off the court in practice and X has several issues. Obviously if you practice hard and keep your nose clean you will be given an opportunity. This isn’t pee wee ball where everybody gets to play.
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And, as some already realize, XWILLIAMS did not make the trip to Rhody. Reason is allegedly academic related?? Seems like odd timing for that, but I guess it's possible. One would assume it means something else under the combined circumstances.

I was really hoping he would get in the game tonight and hit some key threes for us; among other things.
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I do not like how some posters are throwing seemingly the entire roster under the bus and assigning 100% of the blame to the players without also assigning some blame to Grant.

Grant has reportedly had conflict with Crosby, Pierce, and Williams. That is about 25% of the roster. That does not seem normal. Archie seemed to get along with all 3 just fine. Something seems amiss there.
No it's not...Crosby was amiss this past spring...then realized he wasn't going to get any better than Dayton and decided to stay....

Pierce...he is an unknown...but from all sources...this is a Pierce problem...not a Grant problem.

X is the only unusual one....but for some odd reason a guy that went to the same HS as him "gets it" and has been rewarded handsomely for "getting it". Trey wouldn't have said what he said in an interview if Grant was the problem....he would have remained silent on the topic.
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Well...XW needs to be in good academic standing to transfer.
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I do not like how some posters are throwing seemingly the entire roster under the bus and assigning 100% of the blame to the players without also assigning some blame to Grant.

Grant has reportedly had conflict with Crosby, Pierce, and Williams. That is about 25% of the roster. That does not seem normal. Archie seemed to get along with all 3 just fine. Something seems amiss there.
It happened at Alabama as well, with his own recruits nonetheless.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2...r_puts_al.html
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Williams puzzles me.

Crosby is a nice young man, but basically played himself off the court. I don't think there is any conflict other than Anthony has no confidence in him (as with 99% of the posters on this board. Most don't like his turnovers. Anthony does not like his defense).

From what I hear and see, Pierce is just not a good fit and is probably not the caliber player that could help UD.

It is common to see players not fit into the new coaches system. Every once in a while the opposite. Kav did not fit in the BG system.

If you notice, Anthony never criticizes players in public thus we really don't know the real stories.
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I do not like how some posters are throwing seemingly the entire roster under the bus and assigning 100% of the blame to the players without also assigning some blame to Grant.

Grant has reportedly had conflict with Crosby, Pierce, and Williams. That is about 25% of the roster. That does not seem normal. Archie seemed to get along with all 3 just fine. Something seems amiss there.
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You are off base here. Crosby is terrible and can’t hold not the ball. Bucky and Larry made clear several weeks ago that Pierce has literally walked off the court in practice and X has several issues. Obviously if you practice hard and keep your nose clean you will be given an opportunity. This isn’t pee wee ball where everybody gets to play.
This guy and a few other delusional son here have either never been around a competitive team before, or they are so he’ll-bent on assigning blame to the coach, that they continue to make the non- sensical argument that Grant has been unfair or irreasonable to certain players.

I agree with you in your assessment. Though I like Crosby, and wish he could contribute more productively, he rarely does, and the other 2 appear to be the proverbial head case.
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It happened at Alabama as well, with his own recruits nonetheless.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2...r_puts_al.html
If by It, you mean personality conflict between a coach and a select few, attitudinally challenged players (X and Pierce) and a coach determining to sit a player (JC) because it has become apparent that the team suffers when they make an appearance on the floor, happens everywhere, with every coach. That is part of the necessary decision making a coach must pursue to create a winning culture.

If however, by IT you mean Grant has displayed unreasonable difficulty in getting along with players, then you have either been not paying attention to the details here, or you have zero grasp of what is required of a coach to effectively build a team.

But more likely, you are one of the few on here determined to distort the truth to facilitate your silly narrative that AG is just bad.
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This guy and a few other delusional son here have either never been around a competitive team before, or they are so he’ll-bent on assigning blame to the coach, that they continue to make the non- sensical argument that Grant has been unfair or irreasonable to certain players.
I disagree. Perhaps he knows more than you think. Perhaps he had a similar experience. Perhaps he had good teammates that just didn't hit it off with the coach, and they left. Point is, you don't know. I've seen this with good kids when I was in college sports, and I've seen it with kids when my son played in college. (It wasn't him, he was clearly a backup) I've seen kids that were total jerks. Seen coaches whose behaviors would make you scratch your head. The one constant I've seen, is coaches like "their guys", and they are the guy "in charge".

In all cases, the coach is the adult, and IS holding the cards. (See the note about Huggins and Staten). In any relationship it takes two to get along.

Simply trashing those whose opinions you don't agree with doesn't improve your argument.
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If by It, you mean personality conflict between a coach and a select few, attitudinally challenged players (X and Pierce) and a coach determining to sit a player (JC) because it has become apparent that the team suffers when they make an appearance on the floor, happens everywhere, with every coach. That is part of the necessary decision making a coach must pursue to create a winning culture.

If however, by IT you mean Grant has displayed unreasonable difficulty in getting along with players, then you have either been not paying attention to the details here, or you have zero grasp of what is required of a coach to effectively build a team.

But more likely, you are one of the few on here determined to distort the truth to facilitate your silly narrative that AG is just bad.
That's a lot of assumptions for what little I said.
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Fact is we really don't know what is going on behind the scenes with players and coaches.
Any time there is a coaching change there are going to be conflicts. Transfers are a way of life in college sports and even more common with coaching changes. The problems with this team weren't going to be fixed by any one player. On the one hand we scream for roster turnover to upgrade the talent pool but when it occurs we need to demonize the player or the coach depending on what side of the internet flame war we stand.
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I’m not saying Grant is completely blameless. I’m just old-school in terms of having students own-up to their shortcomings, and not trying to defend the poor, little pumpkins against the bad, old teacher. In this case, XW signed-on with Dayton, at one point in time, he was proud to play in front of the hometown fans, and he has since decided that he doesn’t want to do things the way the new “teacher” wants. That makes this more of a “student” problem and less of a “teacher” problem, IMHO.
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It happened at Alabama as well, with his own recruits nonetheless.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2...r_puts_al.html
Now the rest of the story....

http://www.al.com/alabamabasketball/...or_laceys.html

Does this sound familiar?...Read some of the comments.

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It happened at Alabama as well, with his own recruits nonetheless.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2...r_puts_al.html
And your point is .... ?????????????????

He was a
A five-star prospect.
A three-time state champion.
A two-time Mr. Basketball.

One year as a more mature player at NC St 15.7 points, 4.6 rebounds and 3.5 assists (he played only 1 year there and declared for draft and didn't get it OH HORROR )

His freshman year at Alabama 11.3 points, 3.8 rebounds and 3.2 assists.

His stats didn't seem to blossom or explode away from AG

Playing in a foreign league just like a few of past UD players. (Not a negative just that the guy didn't do any better with more credentials than our guys)

So this guy who transferred away from Grant was because ??? Seems he may have just decided like about 700 other BB players every year to move to a new team ...


Obviously there MUST be something wrong with AG.

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Just curious - what role does the Director of Player Development play in a situation like this? (with Pierce & X) Is he the guy that tries to find a way to connect the player and the coach? AG didn't recruit either player so there was never that initial bond or acknowledgement of expectations, etc. I have to assume that all the coaches try to reach players who "don't buy in" or have other issues. It has to be a group effort, no?
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I disagree. Perhaps he knows more than you think. Perhaps he had a similar experience. Perhaps he had good teammates that just didn't hit it off with the coach, and they left. Point is, you don't know. I've seen this with good kids when I was in college sports, and I've seen it with kids when my son played in college. (It wasn't him, he was clearly a backup) I've seen kids that were total jerks. Seen coaches whose behaviors would make you scratch your head. The one constant I've seen, is coaches like "their guys", and they are the guy "in charge".

In all cases, the coach is the adult, and IS holding the cards. (See the note about Huggins and Staten). In any relationship it takes two to get along.

Simply trashing those whose opinions you don't agree with doesn't improve your argument.
Certainly, the situation you describe is possible, and on occasion does occur, however, I have trashed these opinions because they are based upon Zero evidence, not simply because the differ from my own.

There is speculation on all sides in assessing these circumstances, but some assumptions are based upon relevant evidence. The evidence here, talk of players not practicing hard, not giving a good effort is derived from statements made by those close to the program (Former players who attend practice and current players, former high school teammates of players in question). That is the only evidence as far as I am aware, and that supports my position.

Could I and others like me be wrong? Of course. But again, there is no evidence to support this being the result of personality clash. None. To pretend as if both claims (the players are the problem v. the coach is part of the problem) are supported by equivalent evidence, is disingenuous.
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Crosby is a nice young man, but basically played himself off the court. I don't think there is any conflict other than Anthony has no confidence in him (as with 99% of the posters on this board. Most don't like his turnovers. Anthony does not like his defense).
Season I agree with you .... Crosby was not a Archie favorite either ..... this year after given more of a chance with AG did the very same things that won him no playing time from AM either ....

Or have most of you forgotten or do those facts not set well with your AG is the problem story line?
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I don’t think X was ever hurt, every game he did not dress he goofed off and never once did I get that he had a bad back, I would come home from the game and told my mom that like 3 times and of course she has no idea who X is, then I would go down in the basement and eat pizza rolls all night playing xbox yelling at the tv
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Lacey

He was chasing the pro dream and only the pro dream.

College career[edit]
The Alabama native played collegiately for Alabama of the Southeastern Conference in the NCAA Division I from 2011.[2]

He transferred to NC State of the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) in 2013, sitting out the 2013-14 season. His junior season was his only one with the Wolfpack, averaging 15.7 points, 4.6 rebounds and 3.5 assists as the side reached the NCAA Tournament Sweet 16. He received Second Team All-ACC honours at the end of the season.[3]

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Lacey declared for the 2015 NBA draft prior to his senior season, forgoing his final year of eligibility.[4] He would go undrafted, later playing with the Cleveland Cavaliers in the Las Vegas Summer League during July 2015.[5]
The same month, Lacey joined Italian Serie A side Consultinvest Pesaro.[6]
On June 24, 2016, Lacey signed with Dinamo Sassari for the 2016–17 season.[7]
On July 10, 2017, Lacey signed a two-year contract with Russian club Lokomotiv Kuban.[8]
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Originally Posted by NJFlyr71 View Post
And your point is .... ?????????????????

He was a
A five-star prospect.
A three-time state champion.
A two-time Mr. Basketball.

One year as a more mature player at NC St 15.7 points, 4.6 rebounds and 3.5 assists (he played only 1 year there and declared for draft and didn't get it OH HORROR )

His freshman year at Alabama 11.3 points, 3.8 rebounds and 3.2 assists.

His stats didn't seem to blossom or explode away from AG

Playing in a foreign league just like a few of past UD players. (Not a negative just that the guy didn't do any better with more credentials than our guys)

So this guy who transferred away from Grant was because ??? Seems he may have just decided like about 700 other BB players every year to move to a new team ...


Obviously there MUST be something wrong with AG.

He was one of a handful of Top 100 guys that Grant had at Alabama that either quit or transferred. I'm just not as quick to dismiss this all on the player.
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Again the rest of the story...

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/...tide/24918803/

"I signed with Coach Grant coming out of high school so I trusted him," said Lacey, a Parade All-American out of Huntsville. "Coach Grant is a great guy. It's hard to have a job when a lot of people don't support basketball and with the way Coach (Nick) Saban and the way the football team is going and it being a football school. It's going need a lot of fan support for it to be turned around besides just the coach."

"A lot of it was my fault as to why I wasn't as successful then as I am now," Lacey said. "I work harder and am more disciplined now as far as off-the-court things and how to approach the game. By me being young and family could come down whenever they wanted to, I just wasn't ready for how good I needed to be at the time. It wasn't just all like, 'Oh, Coach Grant wasn't helping me become a better player.' "
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Again the rest of the story...

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/...tide/24918803/

"I signed with Coach Grant coming out of high school so I trusted him," said Lacey, a Parade All-American out of Huntsville. "Coach Grant is a great guy. It's hard to have a job when a lot of people don't support basketball and with the way Coach (Nick) Saban and the way the football team is going and it being a football school. It's going need a lot of fan support for it to be turned around besides just the coach."

"A lot of it was my fault as to why I wasn't as successful then as I am now," Lacey said. "I work harder and am more disciplined now as far as off-the-court things and how to approach the game. By me being young and family could come down whenever they wanted to, I just wasn't ready for how good I needed to be at the time. It wasn't just all like, 'Oh, Coach Grant wasn't helping me become a better player.' "
Again, he was of a handful of Top 100 recruits to quit or transfer out under Grant....

I don't care how you want to spin it. Two years later Lacey was leading NC State to the Sweet 16 and Grant was standing in the unemployment line. This is a results business.

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Kids transfer all the time in today's college environment, even from hall of fame coaches. I think this is all overblown just because he is OUR coach, but you could probably look at most coaches, especially those taking over new programs, and say the same things.
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Kids transfer all the time in today's college environment, even from hall of fame coaches. I think this is all overblown just because he is OUR coach, but you could probably look at most coaches, especially those taking over new programs, and say the same things.
No no, didn't you get the memo. It's all AGs fault, no matter what.
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I thought this was a X discussion, I know people start their anti-AG comments- we get it. He's our coach so get over it or go stand in a corner and hold your breath and stomp your feet.
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