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Has there ever been any talk of getting rid of the rid of the closed scrimmage and bringing back a 2nd exhibition game?
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Has there ever been any talk of getting rid of the rid of the closed scrimmage and bringing back a 2nd exhibition game?
I really hope not. One exhibition is more than enough.
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exhibition is treated like a regular season game ticket price wise?
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Has there ever been any talk of getting rid of the rid of the closed scrimmage and bringing back a 2nd exhibition game?
I would be very surprised if they did. I do not know about UD, but from the teams that I have worked with the last 10 or so years, they like seeing what the team looks like against another DI team. They learn a lot more in a scrimmage against another DI school than they do in an exhibition against a DII or DIII school.
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I would place a wager that Kansas and Michigan State are on the opposite sides of the bracket
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Dayton vs Georgia, first round

Winner vs Mich St/VT winner in second round

Other side of bracket:

Kansas vs Chaminade
BYU vs UCLA

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Old 07-11-2019, 09:28 AM
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So UD is the 3 or 6 seed. Is Georgia any good?
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Old 07-11-2019, 10:56 AM
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They went 11-21 last year in their first year under Tom Crean. No idea how his recruiting has gone since taking over, but it's safe to assume it's been pretty good. They were ~130 in kenpom last year. Hopefully they're top 100 this year (quad two).

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Old 07-11-2019, 11:36 AM
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So
1 Kansas
8 Chaminade
4/5 BYU/UCLA

2 MSU
7 VT
3 Dayton
6 Georgia

That's a mild slap in the face for Michigan State. Many outlets have them preseason #1. Kansas was down a little bit last year (still top 20) but you have to assume they'll be back in the top ten.

College sports madness has VT #123. They're in for a difficult year as they lost Buzz Williams and their top five scorers from last year's top 15 team.

Here is a Georgia preview.

In this class, Crean got four of the top 100 players coming out of high school, including a five-star prospect in Anthony Edwards. Edwards is also the second-best player in this class, and it shows that Crean can recruit the Atlanta area. Needless to say, this is the type of class that changes things in a hurry.
I wouldn’t be shocked if they have some growing pains early in the year, but this team should be able to gel before the brunt of their SEC schedule. If so, they will be dangerous.
Hopefully. Catch them early while they're adjusting to D1 hoops, then watch them blossom into a solid team later in the year, maybe even quad one? Yes please.
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Old 07-11-2019, 11:45 AM
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I think we hit a home run in this tournament. Take care of business and it will pay huge dividends in March.
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Very nice. Not sure it could have worked out better. Maybe if we got VT? There's a reason we didn't I think. Georgia will be tougher than them possibly but that should equate to a better game for the SOS. Even if we lose game 1 we should be able to bounce back against VT and then have a shot at another really good opponent hopefully in game 3.

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Indiana State
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Georgia (N, Maui)
Mich. St./Va. Tech (N, Maui)
Chaminade/Kansas/BYU/UCLA (N, Maui)
Saint Mary's (N, Phoenix)
Colorado (N, Chicago)

I've left off Delaware State for now since there seems to be some serious doubts about whether that game will be scheduled. 5-6 games left to be announced.
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So
1 Kansas
8 Chaminade
4/5 BYU/UCLA

2 MSU
7 VT
3 Dayton
6 Georgia

That's a mild slap in the face for Michigan State. Many outlets have them preseason #1. Kansas was down a little bit last year (still top 20) but you have to assume they'll be back in the top ten.

College sports madness has VT #123. They're in for a difficult year as they lost Buzz Williams and their top five scorers from last year's top 15 team.
There are no seeds so it really doesn't mean anything.
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Here is a Georgia preview.
It is worth noting that this preview incorrectly mentioned that Nic Claxton (team leader in pts, rebs, stls, blks) will be joined by a great new recruiting class next year. Claxton is currently playing in the NBA Summer League. He will not be on the team.
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Anthony Edwards was 247's #2 overall recruit in the country and they have nice recruiting class but that's gonna be a young team.

Should be a winnable game
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Old 07-11-2019, 02:55 PM
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Third-place game 11:30 p.m. eastern Wednesday yikes!
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Old 07-11-2019, 03:24 PM
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I've left off Delaware State for now since there seems to be some serious doubts about whether that game will be scheduled. 5-6 games left to be announced.

We have about 2-3 games left to schedule. Everything else is locked in.
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We have about 2-3 games left to schedule. Everything else is locked in.
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There are no seeds so it really doesn't mean anything.
Correct. There is no seeding made public, however they aren't picking names out of a hat. Dayton 3 UGA 6 is very logical using deductive reasoning unless Chamanade is a sleeping powerhouse only the bracket makers know about
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Correct. There is no seeding made public, however they aren't picking names out of a hat. Dayton 3 UGA 6 is very logical using deductive reasoning unless Chamanade is a sleeping powerhouse only the bracket makers know about
Not picking out of a hat, but these tournaments are made for television. Outside of splitting MSU/KU, geography would appear to be a bigger factor with the four schools from the eastern time zone in the early games. The BYU/UCLA game at 11:30 PM EST makes a whole lot of sense compared to the alternatives. No exact science to it, but there are far more compelling ways to bracket teams without trying to rank teams 1 through 8.
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of course MSU fans are sure UGA will be their 2nd round game

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of course MSU fans are sure UGA will be their 2nd round game

https://247sports.com/college/michig...9am-133578783/
This guy has Georgia at #8 in the SEC.


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SEC Basketball rankings for 19-20:

1. Florida
2. Kentucky
3. Auburn
4. Tennessee
5. Miss State
6. Bama
7. LSU
8. Georgia
9. Ole Miss
10. Arkansas
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I remember watching the Georgia - Georgia Tech game last season and it was the ugliest game I saw all year. I'm not implying that Georgia will be bad this season, but it was so ugly it stood out.
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We have two players with more than a passing interest in a game against Georgia.

Both Moulaye Sissoko and Rodney Chatman attended High School in Georgia and got a sniff from Georgia during recruiting.
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SEC Basketball rankings for 19-20:

1. Florida
2. Kentucky
3. Auburn
4. Tennessee
5. Miss State
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Not picking out of a hat, but these tournaments are made for television. Outside of splitting MSU/KU, geography would appear to be a bigger factor with the four schools from the eastern time zone in the early games. The BYU/UCLA game at 11:30 PM EST makes a whole lot of sense compared to the alternatives. No exact science to it, but there are far more compelling ways to bracket teams without trying to rank teams 1 through 8.
Gotcha.

That's why in 2013 we played Gozaga at 11:30 ET. That time slot was made for TV. Works for Zags, but not us. And the Dayton/Cincy market is consistently a top 10 TV market for college basketball so I don't buy it. That year you had multiple better options for Gonzaga: Cal which is based in PT zone, Minnesota, Baylor and Arkansas in CT, and even the host school Chamanaide.

No doubt in my mind TV match ups are very important. But equally important is a well seeded bracket.

Same thing last year when you had Illinois an Iowa State playing in the late game and San Diego State the early game. I think they balance seeding with television times.
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Gotcha.

That's why in 2013 we played Gozaga at 11:30 ET. That time slot was made for TV. Works for Zags, but not us. And the Dayton/Cincy market is consistently a top 10 TV market for college basketball so I don't buy it. That year you had multiple better options for Gonzaga: Cal which is based in PT zone, Minnesota, Baylor and Arkansas in CT, and even the host school Chamanaide.

No doubt in my mind TV match ups are very important. But equally important is a well seeded bracket.

Same thing last year when you had Illinois an Iowa State playing in the late game and San Diego State the early game. I think they balance seeding with television times.
If you want to talk about 2013 tourney, there were three teams in the preseason rankings with #8 Syracuse, #15 Gonzaga, and #25 Baylor. Baylor being paired with Chaminade in the first round should tell you that they don't seed these teams 1-8.
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I browsed that scheduling board...some recent posts:

South Florida, NM, Northern Iowa, Tulsa, Auburn, WKU, Charleston, MTSU, Illinois State, BYU, Boise, Iona, DePaul, Buffalo, SDSU, Northeastern, VT, UNLV, and NKU are all looking to start a home and home series and need an opponent.

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I browsed that scheduling board...some recent posts:

South Florida, NM, Northern Iowa, Tulsa, Auburn, WKU, Charleston, MTSU, Illinois State, BYU, Boise, Iona, DePaul, Buffalo, SDSU, Northeastern, VT, UNLV, and NKU are all looking to start a home and home series and need an opponent.

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I browsed that scheduling board...some recent posts:

South Florida, NM, Northern Iowa, Tulsa, Auburn, WKU, Charleston, MTSU, Illinois State, BYU, Boise, Iona, DePaul, Buffalo, SDSU, Northeastern, VT, UNLV, and NKU are all looking to start a home and home series and need an opponent.

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Just because they have dates available does not mean they line up with our dates available. There is a lot more that goes into scheduling than you are willing to admit and I think are purposely ignoring.
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To meet the scheduling upgrade challenge it seems we need to take some risks. I get it that we don't want to give up a home game, want to play on a Wednesday, don't like afternoons, don't like to play non-league after the A10 starts, would like to have 3 days rest between games, et al. Got to break the mold.

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Just because they have dates available does not mean they line up with our dates available. There is a lot more that goes into scheduling than you are willing to admit and I think are purposely ignoring.
...and it isn't always as difficult as one/both parties make it out to be. If they want it to happen it can happen.
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...and it isn't always as difficult as one/both parties make it out to be. If they want it to happen it can happen.

Ah, yes, that is the rub - If They want it to happen. It takes two to make it happen.
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To meet the scheduling upgrade challenge it seems we need to take some risks. I get it that we don't want to give up a home game, want to play on a Wednesday, don't like afternoons, don't like to play non-league after the A10 starts, would like to have 3 days rest between games, et al. Got to break the mold.

I'm really shocked that Florida would schedule a game against URI and not UD. Anything to offer Coach Grant?
I agree, we can not expect everything to come on a silver platter with a nice bow on it. You have to have some flexibility if you really want to make it happen.

Florida was on there looking for an opponent for a neutral game, although I would not be interested in taking on a top 10 team.

Vandy and ETSU also were looking to start home and homes.

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The only way I see us having another away game is if it happens late in December or that first Tuesday/Wednesday in November prior to Indiana state. An NKU series would be fun.
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An NKU series would be fun.
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You are not the first person who has mentioned NKU. What am I missing here?

Buy game yes, but a series oh hell no. Has UD and the A-10 really sunk to the level of scheduling Horizon league teams for a H/H series?
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You are not the first person who has mentioned NKU. What am I missing here?

Buy game yes, but a series oh hell no. Has UD and the A-10 really sunk to the level of scheduling Horizon league teams for a H/H series?

That Horizon League team has a brand new arena better and bigger than half the dumps we have to play in during January and February. They also win their conference or are the second best team in their conference year in and year out. On the road, that is usually a quad 2 victory.So, we are not playing a team that will be net 200 most years. Not to mention , we can get a nice number of our own fans in there.
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That Horizon League team has a brand new arena better and bigger than half the dumps we have to play in during January and February. They also win their conference or are the second best team in their conference year in and year out. On the road, that is usually a quad 2 victory.So, we are not playing a team that will be net 200 most years. Not to mention , we can get a nice number of our own fans in there.
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They have been good in a 3 year window. They lost their leading scorer and coach after last season. Let's see if they can maintain before we look at a H&H with them.
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We already reached out to DePaul. After some back and forth they said no thanks and scheduled someone else.
I guess it wasnít just that easy now was it?
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of course MSU fans are sure UGA will be their 2nd round game

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I guess it wasn’t just that easy now was it?
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...yet they are STILL looking for a home/home. To reiterate my earlier point: IF THEY WANT IT TO HAPPEN. You know, the way we treat our neighbors in Fairborn. I doubt any DePaul discussion broke down because dates couldn't be found. Ya'll make this out to me some sort of science project. It's not.
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That Horizon League team has a brand new arena better and bigger than half the dumps we have to play in during January and February. They also win their conference or are the second best team in their conference year in and year out. On the road, that is usually a quad 2 victory.So, we are not playing a team that will be net 200 most years. Not to mention , we can get a nice number of our own fans in there.
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That is a pretty nice and new venue. Very easy to get to also off of I275/I471. Easy drive from Dayton. BB&T Arena seats 9,200 for basketball. Hopefully the parking problems from earlier years have been solved.

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You are not the first person who has mentioned NKU. What am I missing here?

Buy game yes, but a series oh hell no. Has UD and the A-10 really sunk to the level of scheduling Horizon league teams for a H/H series?
Better than yet another stinky buy game. Need I remind you that the A10 has sunk to the 12th best conference now. We used to be #7. We should not be turning our noses up at so many teams, especially since Chris says that the environment is "desperate".

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Better than yet another stinky buy game. Need I remind you that the A10 has sunk to the 11th best conference now.
The debate is not about a buy game or not, it is about whom to start a home and home with. I have a hard time getting excited about NKU despite the fact they have such a great arena with easy access, better than many in the A-10.

If UD wants to be an elite program, we need to at least shoot for teams that would be a quad I road win most seasons, not quad II. Yes I know, easier said than done.
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Northern Kentucky lost the Horizon League player of the year Drew McDonald and their coach. Likely they take a step back next year. They get burned too by the Horizon League being so bad now, hard to build up good computer numbers even if you do everything right in the league

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They have been good in a 3 year window. They lost their leading scorer and coach after last season. Let's see if they can maintain before we look at a H&H with them.
And Darrin Horn if he is successful at NKU will be gone from there to greener pastures in 3 or 4 years, and we will back to where we are now: waiting to see if the next hc after Horn can maintain the success.

We are going to have to take some chances every now and then, nothing will come on a silver platter with a red bow on top. The p5 is not beating down our door with invitations to play them home and home in this desperate environment.
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That is a pretty nice and new venue. Very easy to get to also off of I275/I471. Easy drive from Dayton. BB&T Arena seats 9,200 for basketball. Hopefully the parking problems from earlier years have been solved.

If a nice venue with easy access is criteria for playing a home and home, why is X, UC, K, Ville, IU, P, OSU, ND, etc beating down our door to play us?
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The debate is not about a buy game or not, it is about whom to start a home and home with. I have a hard time getting excited about NKU despite the fact they have such a great arena with easy access, better than many in the A-10.

If UD wants to be an elite program, we need to at least shoot for teams that would be a quad I road win most seasons, not quad II. Yes I know, easier said than done.
And some version of this line of thinking is why P5 team x (generic x, not X) won't do the same for UD.
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If a nice venue with easy access is criteria for playing a home and home, why is X, UC, K, Ville, IU, P, OSU, ND, etc beating down our door to play us?
Dude, get real. Obviously because those teams have no interest whatsoever in playing us. NKU will play us, and that might be the best we can get at this point. We have 2 good ooc games outside of the exempt tourney so far, and it is the middle of July, it is getting late. God forbid we play even more buy games than we usually do.
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They have been good in a 3 year window. They lost their leading scorer and coach after last season. Let's see if they can maintain before we look at a H&H with them.
And BTW, everybody is picking NKU and Wright State 1/2 or 2/1 this year, does not seem like a big jump to assume that NKU will be good again this year.
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And Darrin Horn if he is successful at NKU will be gone from there to greener pastures in 3 or 4 years, and we will back to where we are now: waiting to see if the next hc after Horn can maintain the success.

We are going to have to take some chances every now and then, nothing will come on a silver platter with a red bow on top. The p5 is not beating down our door with invitations to play them home and home in this desperate environment.
out of the schools looking for games I think Buffalo or Western Kentucky would be better

Buffalo lost their coach but there's enough talent leftover for them to be a MAC contender the next two years
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And BTW, everybody is picking NKU and Wright State 1/2 or 2/1 this year, does not seem like a big jump to assume that NKU will be good again this year.
Everyone was also picking St. Joe to be top 2 or 3 in the league last year and VCU and us mid pack. I do not care what sports writers think/predict, I want to see Coach Horn have results before we agree to play a horizon team in an H&H.
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out of the schools looking for games I think Buffalo or Western Kentucky would be better

Buffalo lost their coach but there's enough talent leftover for them to be a MAC contender the next two years
If we are having to play chicken and wait on the p5 schools to commit to us, then do what Nevada did this year and bypass the p5 altogether. Nevada is playing a 6 road/neutral, 15/15 schedule: 3 exempt tourney neutral games, SMC neutral in San Francisco, at Davidson, and at BYU.

And Nevada has home games against Southern Cal and Utah.

That is a real nice ooc schedule for a Mountain West Conference team.

The USC game involved using Nevada's football team as a bargaining chip IINM.

BYU was on that scheduling board looking to start a home and home series. BYU is almost always pretty good, they were a top 76 rpi team every year from 2006-2019. BYU played 15 away/neutral games last year, a 16/15 schedule, and they have a long history of being willing to play tougher road/neutral games.

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Were we interested in Boston College for other dates or just for the opener?

@JonRothstein Source: Boston College and Richmond will begin a multi-year series next season with a game in Richmond.
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Any open date we had.

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Nevada is playing a 6 road/neutral, 15/15 schedule: 3 exempt tourney neutral games, SMC neutral in San Francisco, at Davidson, and at BYU.
But they are staying basically in-region other than the Davidson game and USVI Tourney. We are already traveling to Maui and Arizona. To travel for a third time in the non-con to the MTN or PAC time zone would be suicide. Similar suicide for Nevada to make a third long road trip to the EST time zone. Hardly any programs are willing to do this and for good reason.

There are only so many trips you can take where your return charter flight gets in at 3am and you have an 8am Chem lab to make. Nevermind the lack of rest and recovery to play the game to begin with.
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Any open date we had.



But they are staying basically in-region other than the Davidson game and USVI Tourney. We are already traveling to Maui and Arizona. To travel for a third time in the non-con to the MTN or PAC time zone would be suicide. Similar suicide for Nevada to make a third long road trip to the EST time zone. Hardly any programs are willing to do this and for good reason.

There are only so many trips you can take where your return charter flight gets in at 3am and you have an 8am Chem lab to make. Nevermind the lack of rest and recovery to play the game to begin with.

That is because UD wants its athletes to attend class, pass exams and graduate. Not necessarily a goal for some D1 programs.
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For those of you who have a subscription to The Athletic, they unveiled a new mid-major mailbag column. It looks like they are going to have a dedicated writer, Brian Bennett, that deals with the mid-major teams. In this mailbag he does answer a question about the Dayton schedule.


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Any open date we had.



But they are staying basically in-region other than the Davidson game and USVI Tourney. We are already traveling to Maui and Arizona. To travel for a third time in the non-con to the MTN or PAC time zone would be suicide. Similar suicide for Nevada to make a third long road trip to the EST time zone. Hardly any programs are willing to do this and for good reason.

There are only so many trips you can take where your return charter flight gets in at 3am and you have an 8am Chem lab to make. Nevermind the lack of rest and recovery to play the game to begin with.
1. How about starting the series in Dayton and playing the return game in Utah next year?

2. How about playing the game in January or February? There are other programs that have played tough ooc games in January or February. It would be sort of like a Bracket Busters game.

For at least the last 3 years in a row, UD has had at least 1 break of 6 or more days between A10 games. Also, there are usually at least a couple breaks of 6 or 7 days between games during the ooc schedule.

3. Not sure I consider that sort of travel schedule to be suicidal. 2 examples: Gonzaga, for forever, and WVU, since their entrance to the Big 12, have had to deal with that sort of travel schedule.

Another example: Creighton. They have to travel from Nebraska to the East Coast all the time.

4. The Maui tourney occurs over the Thanksgiving break. Could we play a game in Utah on the way out or back? Academics may not be an issue due to the Thanksgiving holiday.

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Nebraska to east coast is 1 time zone difference, not 2 to 3, which takes a bigger toll.
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Any open date we had.



But they are staying basically in-region other than the Davidson game and USVI Tourney. We are already traveling to Maui and Arizona. To travel for a third time in the non-con to the MTN or PAC time zone would be suicide. Similar suicide for Nevada to make a third long road trip to the EST time zone. Hardly any programs are willing to do this and for good reason.

There are only so many trips you can take where your return charter flight gets in at 3am and you have an 8am Chem lab to make. Nevermind the lack of rest and recovery to play the game to begin with.
where do you think this years schedule ranks on miles traveled. I'm sure no way to exactly but this has to be up there
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No idea. But I can tell you this will likely be the first time since 2003-04 we will not have a current P5/BE team on the schedule as a home/home. And even in 03-04 we had the Cincinnati series on the schedule which was as good.

Before that, you have to go back to 1995-96 where UD did not play a team in a home/home series from either the current Big East of Power 5 conferences or Cincinnati.

Obviously we also had some one-off games over this period -- several in fact -- against P5/BE schools -- just like this year with Colorado. But in those same years we also had H/H series going on with the likes of:

Auburn
Miss State
Vanderbilt
Pittsburgh
Creighton
Marquette
DePaul
Ole Miss
Georgia Tech
Arkansas
Louisville
Villanova
Northwestern
Alabama
Southern Cal

Probably missing a couple.
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Chris, mad props for even mustering replies to some of these cretins.

You don't have to give us any of your time, much less inside info. I've put off subscribing to Pride + for over a decade but that may have to change. Any of these schedule-whiners should do the same.
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Chris, mad props for even mustering replies to some of these cretins.

You don't have to give us any of your time, much less inside info. I've put off subscribing to Pride + for over a decade but that may have to change. Any of these schedule-whiners should do the same.
Your remark re your decade-long "evasion" of Pride Plus membership appears as if you think those that join PP+ do so in order to have access to inside information....which, being so clever, you avoid because it's not worth it, or whatever.

I don't think so. Pride Plus members sign up because they want to do their share to support this great site, UDPride, financially as best they can....not because it provides special information access of some sort.
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Well, I've been a member for all of 15 minutes and have already gleaned special information. Of course the main reason is to support the site and Chris.
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And the other thing is that since UD's unofficially official policy is that we have given up on trying to get better than a 6 seed, then how in the world can anybody blame Archie for leaving?!?!

Any coach worth his salt wants a legitimate shot at winning a national title, and a 6 seed winning the title is a longshot at best.

We say that Archie was given everything that he needed here, that is garbage, we refused to provide him with a schedule that gave him a legitimate shot at the title.

And do not give me this garbage that we can not afford to have 1 less home game. Year in and year out we are always in the top 20 or top 25 both in terms of the revenue that we bring in and what the overall value of the program is.

Archie saw the writing on the wall and left. Maybe he would have left anyway, but we sure did not do anything from a scheduling perspective to try and stop him from leaving.

I do not understand why the UD fans put up with this, people should be calling, writing letters, scheduling meetings with, and sending emails to Neil with complaints.
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Chris,

Are you paying ud2 to post all of the time. I know it creates extra clicks. I cannot imagine why anyone would take as much time to say the same thing over and over. I could use the extra money if you have any openings.
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Chris,

Are you paying ud2 to post all of the time. I know it creates extra clicks. I cannot imagine why anyone would take as much time to say the same thing over and over. I could use the extra money if you have any openings.

I was just getting ready to post that the good thing about ud2 is he always has something new to say - doesn't repeat himself over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.....(my fingers are tired).
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ud2,

Could be possible that UD is adding a H/H which be a total of 6 games away from the Arena if it starts on the road. That would the most OOC games away from the Arena in a while


ďWeíre sitting here in late June, and Iím still holding three or four dates, trying to hold out for these games to happen, which are home-and-home series against at-large caliber opponents.

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ud2,

Could be possible that UD is adding a H/H which be a total of 6 games away from the Arena if it starts on the road. That would the most OOC games away from the Arena in a while


ďWeíre sitting here in late June, and Iím still holding three or four dates, trying to hold out for these games to happen, which are home-and-home series against at-large caliber opponents.

https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...UmgM8PMgQuHjK/
All I can say is THANK GOD!!!

But, I will believe it when I see it.

And I REALLY like what Neil had to say in the article: UD will consider one-way road games with no return game even if that means UD losing a home game. And also, Neil will not let money dictate the schedule.

Those 2 statements run completely counter to what just about everybody on here has been saying for years: but, but, but, UD can not afford to play a 15/15 schedule.
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All I can say is THANK GOD!!!

But, I will believe it when I see it.

And I REALLY like what Neil had to say in the article: UD will consider one-way road games with no return game even if that means UD losing a home game. And also, Neil will not let money dictate the schedule.

Those 2 statements run completely counter to what just about everybody on here has been saying for years: but, but, but, UD can not afford to play a 15/15 schedule.
If we take the Maui on the Mainland against Delaware State that would set up for a maximum of 31 games, so that extra home game could allow an offset
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All I can say is THANK GOD!!!

But, I will believe it when I see it.

And I REALLY like what Neil had to say in the article: UD will consider one-way road games with no return game even if that means UD losing a home game. And also, Neil will not let money dictate the schedule.

Those 2 statements run completely counter to what just about everybody on here has been saying for years: but, but, but, UD can not afford to play a 15/15 schedule.

I dont remember anyone saying we wouldnt be willing to play a one-way road game. But I do remember people saying most teams didnt even want to play us under that scenario.


But we arent going to play 3-4 one-way road games. We arent this year thats for sure.
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Have been gone for a while, I see ud2 is still at it, some things never change
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I dont remember anyone saying we wouldnt be willing to play a one-way road game. But I do remember people saying most teams didnt even want to play us under that scenario.


But we arent going to play 3-4 one-way road games. We arent this year thats for sure.
I remember 99% of the people on here fighting tooth and nail for many, many years saying that we could not play a 15/15 schedule due to money.

You yourself said that exact same thing just a week or 2 ago.

It turns out that in fact we can play a 15/15.

Too many people on here just blindly accept and defend whatever position UD takes without looking at all the sides of any issue.
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Have been gone for a while, I see ud2 is still at it, some things never change
Turns out that I was right, but I will not hold my breath waiting for you to acknowledge that.

I have not always been right about everything on here, and yes, I did complain a ton about the scheduling model, but I would like more people to not just accept everything all the time that UD puts out as being infallible. There is nothing wrong with questioning authority.

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Turns out that I was right, but I will not hold my breath waiting for you to acknowledge that.

I have not always been right about everything on here, and yes, I did complain a ton about the scheduling model, but I would like more people to not just accept everything all the time that UD puts out as being infallible. There is nothing wrong with questioning authority.
A lot has recently changed that is more likely the only real impetus for the potential changes that may occur (conference realignment, 20 game conference schedules, new ranking and selection criteria). Iím most sure it had nothing to do with your continual and non-stop one man campaign to see this horrific wrong corrected.

Perhaps more people would consider your arguments if they werenít constantly accusing those in charge of ineptness, stubbornness, deceit and at the same time youíd be willing to accept at least one of the rational arguments addressing that maybe what you propose isnít as easy as you claim that it is.
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I remember 99% of the people on here fighting tooth and nail for many, many years saying that we could not play a 15/15 schedule due to money.

You yourself said that exact same thing just a week or 2 ago.

It turns out that in fact we can play a 15/15.

Too many people on here just blindly accept and defend whatever position UD takes without looking at all the sides of any issue.
Well I was in that 1% then because my argument has always been our OOC SOS has not been our problem, it is playing well in the A10.
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I have nothing but respect for the UD department of athletics personnel that head up our scheduling, especially those working on both b-ball teams, soccer and volleyball. I think UD is more knowledgeable than most people in the conference in this area. And itís clear from other coaches and tv announcers that those working on menís b-ball have to work around the UD Arena fear-factor as well as all the other new obstacles. But itís clear to me they have done the homework to look at every opponent option that will maximize UDs success for the upcoming year. The picture in my head is of a draft-day board in the war room during the NFL draft. A lot of moving parts, but they know every option available and are working on landing the best pick at the time. We have very smart people running our scheduling efforts. We simply donít control all the variables, but we do an excellent job managing the board based on other program moves.

I just finished building an A10 schedule matrix for the conference volleyball teams. I was shocked that VCU has not built a schedule that sets them up for an at-large bid if they donít win the A10 Championship. Two years ago VCU won both the regular season and tourney so they got the auto bid. Last year they won the regular season but UD got the auto bid after winning the tourney. VCU did not get an at-large bid. We will be 1-2 again this year.

Volleyball runs off the old RPI system, but itís a little different than the old b-ball system. In vball, there is no home-away factor. But there is a double bonus if your OOC schedule has 50%+ team with RPI 1-75. UD has scheduled, based on last yearís RPI, 9/14 Top 75, with another 2 teams that were close and could move into the top 75 this year. We not only already built in the 50% double bonus, but we built in a cushion of 2-4 teams. Compare that to VCU...they are sitting at 5/14 with two teams that potentially could move into the top 75. So everything had to go perfectly with those 7 teams for them to get this bonus. They have to bat 1000 to earn this double bonus. UD can bat 640 and still earn this bonus.

We have really good people managing UDs scheduling. Thereís just a lot of moving parts we donít control. It ainít easy folks, but UD does it better than most.
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We will once again have a decent OOC schedule. The problem is the blah home games, not the OOC schedule. Playing more away games fixes this how?

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I have a really stupid idea. How about scheduling a team/school that played in the NCAA two seasons ago, and played in the NIT last year, that's DI, and save on travel cost next year by making a fifteen minute transit, and filling that other, back to back major post-season team's, arena HALF-FULL of Flyer Fans.

If there are two open game slots, then here is what I wish UD would do with those two game slots over the next two seasons: For 2019-2020; inquire with OSU, Kentucky, U of L., Notre Dame, and take which ever one of them will play a one way game at their place (because we are assuming they will not schedule a two-way contract); and then schedule Wright State in a two-way (home/away) contact, with the UD Arena home game in 2019-2020. Thus in 2020-2021, go on road to play Nutter Center return game, and schedule a home game against ANY willing P5/Big East program (even if it is Rutgers, Northwestern or Oregon State, etc.) in a two-way contract for 2021-2022 (or it could be Gonzaga, Memphis, Temple, etc.). Or in 2020-2021, just play another one-way or neutral court game against a top teen program.

This gets you two games against a decent metro rival opponent, and two games against top programs, perhaps one more in-state or regional rival against the biggest schools in college basketball.

Right now, UD has zero metro rival games; zero in-state rival games; zero national regional rival games (sans Duquesne); and very few conference matchups that can remotely be considered rival games. This is terrible! It is boring; no-fun, and lame. Make a move, take a chance, roll the dice; or in this case, play the ****ing games for God's sake. Stop with the crazy talk about UD has no money, and cannot miss out on one home game every two or three years...total bull****. This is not 1975, or 1985; this is not Don Donoher and Eldon Miller; Dayton's National Title Game is in the fresh minds of absolutely no one at this juncture (with all do respect). Play they hand you are dealt; negotiate with what you have, not the two national titles that THirt prognosticated a few years back...that don't exist. Don't cut your nose off despite your face; but rather negotiate with what you have; negotiate hard, but don't let every obstacle, petty or otherwise, stand in the way of playing the teams and games you want to play.

In the A10 keep Duquesne on the schedule twice each year; you need that game. Same goes for SLU and VCU.

In terms of exhibition, play Findlay, Capital (so long as Goodwin is the head coach), or Wittenberg, over and over again.

I don't fail to understand any of it, so don't bother trying it. Chris Holtmann, played the political talk better than any incoming coach or athletic director in recent memory, when immediatley after being hired at The Ohio State University, he said he wanted to play UC, Xavier, and Dayton. Stroke of genius on his part, as he knew he wasn't going to schedule Dayton in a two way contract, or a Big Four Double Header. He knew that, but he got credit for suggesting it; and most importantly , he put OSU back on the level with those other three programs in the state. Making sure that the perspective that UC, XU, and UD, being better than OSU, didn't too out of control, and thus gain more long-term traction in the minds of fans and media in Ohio.

UD needs to put forth a plan and proposal to the four schools, the state legislative body, the media, and the fans, etc., and run a social/political effort to put pressure on the other three major basketball programs to play Dayton, and each other, in games. Not necessarily in a foursome double header, but whenever, and wherever. Anytime Anyplace, no questions asked...see John Cheyney.
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So, what do we know about the 18 home games? Assuming 1 exhibition, know Indiana State and Omaha, plus 9 conference games leaves 6 unknowns. Guessing Delaware State is one, and possibly (hoping) for a big name (I'll take a medium name) for Arena's 50th year. Any guesses?
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We will once again have a decent OOC schedule. The problem is the blah home games, not the OOC schedule. Playing more away games fixes this how?
Blah home games are fine if we have good away games. Need as many Q1 games as possible
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Originally Posted by Beatty Town Coach View Post
For 2019-2020; inquire with OSU, Kentucky, U of L., Notre Dame, and take which ever one of them will play a one way game at their place (because we are assuming they will not schedule a two-way contract);
They've said no, not on any court. Next.

and then schedule Wright State in a two-way (home/away) contact, with the UD Arena home game in 2019-2020. Thus in 2020-2021, go on road to play Nutter Center return game,
I made a specific post about warming up to playing WSU in a H/H now considering their 10yr rolling metric average. They would be better than a lot of buy games but still as winnable if not more so due to lack of travel but abundant fan support. But this might be the one and only case where there is a directive from someone on the top floor that this game cant happen for optics reasons. I dont know if thats the case, but I think there has to be a good reason why we still choose not to play WSU when they have gotten their performance metrics together and it would now benefit us.

and schedule a home game against ANY willing P5/Big East program (even if it is Rutgers, Northwestern or Oregon State, etc.) in a two-way contract for 2021-2022 (or it could be Gonzaga, Memphis, Temple, etc.). Or in 2020-2021, just play another one-way or neutral court game against a top teen program.
It cant just be any P5/BE. It has to make our schedule materially better. We would be throwing a game away if we scheduled #256 RPI California or #199 Northwestern if we're talking H/Hs. We'd be better off just playing Wright State H/A twice in the same season.

Right now, UD has zero metro rival games; zero in-state rival games; zero national regional rival games (sans Duquesne); and very few conference matchups that can remotely be considered rival games. This is terrible! It is boring; no-fun, and lame.
A lot of this is not our fault (putting aside UD under-performance as the sole reason). Xavier, Marquette, DePaul, Cincinnati, Butler, and Louisville have all told us to get lost b/c they dont need us on the schedule even if we were materially more competitive. The scheduling landscape is unrecognizable to what it was 8-10yrs ago. The best rivalry games in- or out-of-conference are Saint Louis and VCU. We can only control what we can control. We must win more games and win more games more often. That will help. But it doesnt help us right now and I doubt it fixes the problem.

Make a move, take a chance, roll the dice; or in this case, play the ****ing games for God's sake.
The game can only be played if the opponents want to play you as much or more so than you want to play them. In most cases, this is not the situation. It could be any number of factors specific to teams not wanting it play Dayton on any court.

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1. Not needing the non-con challenge to begin with.
2. Being able to schedule above us for the 1-2 games they do wish to challenge themselves out-of-league.
3. Fear of losing.
4. Optics.
5. Dayton Arena Factor.
6. Date and time incompatibility

Don't cut your nose off despite your face; but rather negotiate with what you have; negotiate hard, but don't let every obstacle, petty or otherwise, stand in the way of playing the teams and games you want to play.
They already do this. They paid Saint Mary's College for the privilege of playing in front of 3,000 fans at SMC's HS gym. We played two buy games against SMC and one of them wasnt even on our own court. Thats swallowing serious pride and cabbage and turning over stones by any definition.

In the A10 keep Duquesne on the schedule twice each year; you need that game. Same goes for SLU and VCU.
They lobby hard for pods. But there are 14 schools in the league and its ultimately the call of the Commissioner's office who has to balance the urge to put the most competitive schools in a solid scheduling position while not ignoring the other schools entirely and treating them as second class citizens with nothing but table scraps that further divides the league between haves- and have-nots which is already the A10s core weakness.

In terms of exhibition, play Findlay, Capital (so long as Goodwin is the head coach), or Wittenberg, over and over again.
We pretty much already do, along with a much preferred closed scrimmage with a major D-I foe.

Chris Holtmann, played the political talk better than any incoming coach or athletic director in recent memory, when immediatley after being hired at The Ohio State University, he said he wanted to play UC, Xavier, and Dayton. Stroke of genius on his part, as he knew he wasn't going to schedule Dayton in a two way contract, or a Big Four Double Header. He knew that, but he got credit for suggesting it; and most importantly , he put OSU back on the level with those other three programs in the state.
Public statements about playing UC, UD, and Xavier didn't put Ohio State back on the level of anything. His recruiting, coaching ability, and the power of a $204,000,000 athletic budget did. Ohio State doesnt talk their way back to prosperity -- they spend their way. Which is why they can be 10-21 one season and then have the talent to make a deep NCAA run 12 months later. Maybe 10 schools in the country can do that. Ohio State spends more money on watering their golf courses and plowing their airport (facetious) than UD probably does on its entire athletic budget ($12-15M last I heard).

Making sure that the perspective that UC, XU, and UD, being better than OSU, didn't too out of control, and thus gain more long-term traction in the minds of fans and media in Ohio.
Ohio State does not worry about being second fiddle to anybody in Ohio. Their success or failure is entirely based on their willingness to be however good they want to be in any sport they want to compete in. Until Matta's health hit the skids, they were right there with Michigan State and North Carolina in terms of talent and upside. Nobody in Ohio is keeping Ohio State down or taking the recruits away from Ohio State. They fish in a completely different pond. They can get the #5 player in the country from some far away state the other three schools never will.

UD needs to put forth a plan and proposal to the four schools, the state legislative body, the media, and the fans, etc., and run a social/political effort to put pressure on the other three major basketball programs to play Dayton, and each other, in games. Not necessarily in a foursome double header, but whenever, and wherever. Anytime Anyplace, no questions asked...see John Cheyney.
What pressure (leverage) can you apply however if you are Dayton? Play us or what? We'll stop playing you in volleyball? You only have leverage if you are in a position of strength. Out of those four schools, Dayton is (by far) in the weakest position. Im all for proposals. Im all for persuasion. Better to ask and be told to get lost than never ask at all. But that's what we're resigned to -- asking. The only school that really tells others what to do is Ohio State. UC and Xavier have more leverage than we do, but ultimately Ohio State either decides such an event happens or it never happens. They have the power of the veto because they are Ohio State.
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We will once again have a decent OOC schedule. The problem is the blah home games, not the OOC schedule. Playing more away games fixes this how?
Let's see what happens before we start trashing this new approach. We did things the other way for a long time, give the new way a chance.

I am not privy to everything that takes place in scheduling, we just hear that the environment is getting tougher.

I will not dispute that the old way was capable of getting us into the ncaat, but IMO we can and should be doing better than that, so I am absolutely delighted by this development.
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Blah home games are fine if we have good away games. Need as many Q1 games as possible
Fine for you in Texas and me in NC, but not fine for the season ticket holders, who pay most of the bills.
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I’ve been scratching my head for years over the idea that there are UD fans who are on board with us not playing the likes of WSU & Miami and can’t wrap their head around the fact that X, OSU, UK, etc. want no part of us.
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Iíve been scratching my head for years over the idea that there are UD fans who are on board with us not playing the likes of WSU & Miami and canít wrap their head around the fact that X, OSU, UK, etc. want no part of us.
I don't want to play Miami or Wright State, and don't care if X doesn't want to play us (loved to play the when Gillen and Prosser were the coaches). UK and UD couldn't work out a suitable date and location for a couple neutral court games, but tried. Rumor also was OSU and Dayton couldn't agree on a game in Cleveland this year, according to OSU fans, but who knows. But I know this, scheduling is one heck of a lot more than, "Hey. I want to play your team."
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Or, if you're a PP member, you pretty much already know!
Yup... Pretty Disappointing Home Schedule BUT we do have a handful of very solid Mid-Major Teams coming to the Arena
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Old 07-24-2019, 01:43 PM
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We already reached out to DePaul. After some back and forth they said no thanks and scheduled someone else.

Your facts have not meaning here to some people.



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I made a specific post about warming up to playing WSU in a H/H now considering their 10yr rolling metric average. They would be better than a lot of buy games but still as winnable if not more so due to lack of travel but abundant fan support. But this might be the one and only case where there is a directive from someone on the top floor that this game cant happen for optics reasons. I dont know if thats the case, but I think there has to be a good reason why we still choose not to play WSU when they have gotten their performance metrics together and it would now benefit us.

I don't think it's optics, I continue to think it's simply the "once started it can never stop" theory. In any given year, I would be happy to play WSU. As long as it's a set, defined series with a begin and end date.



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Iíve been scratching my head for years over the idea that there are UD fans who are on board with us not playing the likes of WSU & Miami and canít wrap their head around the fact that X, OSU, UK, etc. want no part of us.

WSU and Miami have seriously sucked in the recent past. They would have been a massive anchor on our RPI / etc. Outside of the last 2 years of transition, that would not have been the case for _avier, tOSU, UK, etc. That's not so hard to wrap your head around.
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Schedule is finalized. BOLO for a presser from the mothership soon.
Thank goodness... a couple more weeks of complaining after it is released, and then this thread can finally die
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Thank goodness... a couple more weeks of complaining after it is released, and then this thread can finally die

I see you're an optimist.
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2019 nonconference just released.

https://daytonflyers.com/news/2019/7...1535_143695410
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Fine for you in Texas and me in NC, but not fine for the season ticket holders, who pay most of the bills.
False alarm.

You got your wish and got your desired 16 home games. I knew that the 15/15 talk was too good to be true, lol. I should not have fallen for the ruse.
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Old 07-30-2019, 10:44 AM
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2019 nonconference just released.

https://daytonflyers.com/news/2019/7...1535_143695410
Jeez. The home non-con is a steaming pile of s&!t. Love the quote in the press release: ďall ten single-game non-conference opponents won 12 or more games last year.Ē Canít even put lipstick on this pig, but at least they tried.
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