Why does every other team's freshmen perform and ours don't. . .

[Gazoo]

. . . is what we say after every game we lose. But it's conveniently "overlooked" when we win.

Last night playing the A10 champs our freshmen had 24 / 55 = 44% of our points, 17 / 33 = 52% of our individual rebounds, shot 4-8 from 3, played 81 / 200 = 41% of our minutes, and went 4/4 from the FT line (rest of team: 5 / 11).

What does not happen is an honest understanding that in any game someone is going to play well, and someone is going to play below average, and what you see in a single game is a mental anchor that needs checked.

Over the whole season our freshmen have developed nicely.

-Our #3, 5, and 6 shooters from 3 are freshmen, all at 35% or better.
-Our #2, 5, and 6 in total rebounds are freshmen. 1 has only played in 14 games, 1 in 16 games, and 1 in 19 games.
-The #1, 2, and 4 FT shooters are freshman, though of course in lower attempts. But at least they have made the ones they took, right?
-#3, 6, and 8 in total minutes.

On a team of seniors playing the key roles (key shooters, key ball handlers, key scorers, key rebounder), it's not entirely bad is it??


EDIT: right now St. Bonny fans are saying "why don't our freshmen ever contribute that much??"

[SLUFLYER]

Originally Posted by Gazoo . . . is what we say after every game we lose. But it's conveniently "overlooked" when we win. Last night playing the A10 champs our freshmen had 24 / 55 = 44% of our points, 17 / 33 = 52% of our individual rebounds, shot 4-8 from 3, played 81 / 200 = 41% of our minutes, and went 4/4 from the FT line (rest of team: 5 / 11). What does not happen is an honest understanding that in any game someone is going to play well, and someone is going to play below average, and what you see in a single game is a mental anchor that needs checked. Over the whole season our freshmen have developed nicely. -Our #3, 5, and 6 shooters from 3 are freshmen, all at 35% or better. -Our #2, 5, and 6 in total rebounds are freshmen. 1 has only played in 14 games, 1 in 16 games, and 1 in 19 games. -The #1, 2, and 4 FT shooters are freshman, though of course in lower attempts. But at least they have made the ones they took, right? -#3, 6, and 8 in total minutes. On a team of seniors playing the key roles (key shooters, key ball handlers, key scorers, key rebounder), it's not entirely bad is it?? EDIT: right now St. Bonny fans are saying "why don't our freshmen ever contribute that much??"

The Bonnies fans can say that and pretty much be correct every game. They have three freshman on the roster, and none have played a minute.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

[maddog07]

Could be because they had the players to put them in first place, while we didn’t and had to rely on freshmen who aided our mediocrity.
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[tirebiter]

Blakney will be a star next year. I see him and Amzil emulating Landers and Mikesell, and with a higher upside for both.

Now if Holmes can become our new Obi, look out.

[rollo]

The more upper-classmen you have, the less playing time your freshman will have. It's not complicated.

[SLUFLYER]

Originally Posted by maddog07 Could be because they had the players to put them in first place, while we didn’t and had to rely on freshmen who aided our mediocrity. Posted via Mobile Device

As always, you're extremely insightful, uplifting and just a joy to interact with.

[hawkoooo]

One of those non-performing freshmen just won A10 ROY.

[SLUFLYER]

Originally Posted by tirebiter Blakney will be a star next year. I see him and Amzil emulating Landers and Mikesell, and with a higher upside for both. Now if Holmes can become our new Obi, look out.

I see a lot of Obi in Nwokeji. This is not to suggest he's got player of the year potential, of course nobody saw that kind of ceiling in Obi's freshman/partial qualifier year either, but his ability to stretch the floor and be an option on both the pick & roll and pick & pop/flare fits real well in our offense and what was Obi's role.

[longtimefan]

I really like Blakney, Zimi, and Amzil heading into next season. Weaver and Cohill give us experience. We need Sissoko to improve and at least be a force in the middle rebounding and on defense. Some freshmen obviously will have to step up for us to be successful, and, on paper, they have the talent to do that.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by rollo The more upper-classmen you have, the less playing time your freshman will have. It's not complicated.

What you said seems more like a tautology. "If you have 8 seniors playing all the minutes, then your seniors will play all the minutes." Yeah.

The more HIGH PERFORMING, non-injured, non-covid upper classmen you have, the less your low performing freshmen will play. Pretty straightforward, yes.

We started the year with 4 seniors and a junior in the starting lineup. Weaver should have been our first guard off the bench. So our freshmen shouldn't have gotten much playing time then.

But we did have injuries, and the freshmen developed to deserve playing time even when the upper classmen came back. That's all I'm saying. Nice to see.

[maddog07]

Originally Posted by SLUFLYER As always, you're extremely insightful, uplifting and just a joy to interact with.

I suppose you are as excited as many with our 7th place finish in a middling conference? With all our advantages that’s what we should expect? Well done then!
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[Jeff]

Originally Posted by tirebiter Blakney will be a star next year. I see him and Amzil emulating Landers and Mikesell, and with a higher upside for both. Now if Holmes can become our new Obi, look out.

Amzil has a higher ceiling. Don't forgot the extensive prep he had when he first joined the team. His D improved throughout the year, has a great outside shot, and soft touch around the rim. I cant remember another player with those skills.

Zimi has had a more typical freshman year....slow start, showed flashes, and can be big one game and MIA in another. His ceiling is much higher also.

[312to937]

I think Blakney and Zimi have more upside than Amzil. Amzil is more polished now, for sure. Impressive for a true freshman. I think Amzil would be an excellent fit in the half court game with a couple of other guys that can create their shots. Maybe we evolve that way, but I see a very up tempo style as our best fit next year. Not half court. I could see Weaver, Cohill, Blakney, Zimi and Holmes - let those five get after it (in front of 13,500!).
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[frisco flyer]

Originally Posted by maddog07 Could be because they had the players to put them in first place, while we didn’t and had to rely on freshmen who aided our mediocrity. Posted via Mobile Device

Some see the glass half full. Some see the glass half empty. You see the glass half empty and leaking.

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by Gazoo What you said seems more like a tautology. "If you have 8 seniors playing all the minutes, then your seniors will play all the minutes." Yeah. The more HIGH PERFORMING, non-injured, non-covid upper classmen you have, the less your low performing freshmen will play. Pretty straightforward, yes. We started the year with 4 seniors and a junior in the starting lineup. Weaver should have been our first guard off the bench. So our freshmen shouldn't have gotten much playing time then. But we did have injuries, and the freshmen developed to deserve playing time even when the upper classmen came back. That's all I'm saying. Nice to see.

The arguments can be looked at across the board differently and no one is completely right or wrong.

Another thing not mentioned is continuity and continued performance. There have been some outliers over the years, but the systems that UD has had tend to produce a trend of consistency as a program and as individual teams. How often do you see an A10 team be at the bottom 1/3rd of the conference for years, only to have one year with some standout players (to include freshmen) and be towards the top...only to go right back to the bottom. UD is TYPICALLY towards the top. Yes, there are outliers, like this year...and the year where we barely made the A10 tournament...but our ups are like a good portion of the conference's downs.

The level of talent that UD brings in year in and year out, on paper and theoretically, is usually better most anyone in the league...but they also have upper class players that are towards the top of the league as well.

UD's success is more about execution than talent AS A WHOLE over time. This year talent and experience is lacking overall.

[oldfan]

I suppose I look at it differently. If you are relying on the Freshmen contributing significantly it is because :
1. The previous recruiting classes were failures relative to the freshman class or
2. The coaches were unable to make the previous recruiting classes any better in their time on the team.

In either case having Freshmen being the key contributors may not necessarily be considered a positive.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by shocka43 The arguments can be looked at across the board differently and no one is completely right or wrong. Another thing not mentioned is continuity and continued performance. There have been some outliers over the years, but the systems that UD has had tend to produce a trend of consistency as a program and as individual teams. How often do you see an A10 team be at the bottom 1/3rd of the conference for years, only to have one year with some standout players (to include freshmen) and be towards the top...only to go right back to the bottom. UD is TYPICALLY towards the top. Yes, there are outliers, like this year...and the year where we barely made the A10 tournament...but our ups are like a good portion of the conference's downs. The level of talent that UD brings in year in and year out, on paper and theoretically, is usually better most anyone in the league...but they also have upper class players that are towards the top of the league as well. UD's success is more about execution than talent AS A WHOLE over time. This year talent and experience is lacking overall.

Both points can be, and I think are, true. There have been numerous people on here attacking the freshmen as not being any good, therefore AG is a bad recruiter, AG doesn't develop players, and therefore the future is not bright.

But if they're wrong, then the future can be bright, AG maybe is a good recruiter, good at developing talent, the prior upper classmen he recruited are also good, and the program is strong (just had a bad year).


My intent was to point out the latter.

[maddog07]

Originally Posted by frisco flyer Some see the glass half full. Some see the glass half empty. You see the glass half empty and leaking.

And how would you assess the glass with a 7th place finish in a lackluster year for the league?
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[ChrisInVenice]

Originally Posted by maddog07 And how would you assess the glass with a 7th place finish in a lackluster year for the league? Posted via Mobile Device

It’s sports. It’s entertainment.

[steve]

Originally Posted by shocka43 The arguments can be looked at across the board differently and no one is completely right or wrong. Another thing not mentioned is continuity and continued performance. There have been some outliers over the years, but the systems that UD has had tend to produce a trend of consistency as a program and as individual teams. How often do you see an A10 team be at the bottom 1/3rd of the conference for years, only to have one year with some standout players (to include freshmen) and be towards the top...only to go right back to the bottom. UD is TYPICALLY towards the top. Yes, there are outliers, like this year...and the year where we barely made the A10 tournament...but our ups are like a good portion of the conference's downs. The level of talent that UD brings in year in and year out, on paper and theoretically, is usually better most anyone in the league...but they also have upper class players that are towards the top of the league as well. UD's success is more about execution than talent AS A WHOLE over time. This year talent and experience is lacking overall.

Agree here but there's really another elephant in the room we're not talking about and that would be transfers. I don't know the extent but I would venture to say UD brings in less transfers/grad transfers than almost any team in the A10.

I know GW gets alot, Duquense quite a few, St Lous a bunch and I'm probably leaving out at least 3-4 others with a couple being perennial top tier teams I would bet. What does this mean? Well, with UD it means they wait on the pups and all the growing pains that come with it to become Sophs. They simply lose far more ready-to-play experience by doing it their way.

While that can be a huge asset to other teams, finding the right chemistry amongst new faces can be a huge challenge as well. Still, as you mention, UD still finishes in the top 3-4 at worst almost every year which means their way is working and adding in a transfer or two every couple years seems to be the right mix.

[pmcmullen]

I mean, we can blame our freshmen for out struggles this year all we want, but I look at it a different way. We were consistently ripped up by guards when we were supposed to dominate with seniors in that position, complete with terrible ball movement and turnovers galore. We have two others in Jordy and Ibi that were mostly underwhelming.

I admit, I wasn't in awe over our freshmen most of the time, but I also don't look to frosh to save this kind of season. I look to the seniors...

[jack72]

Unless a frosh is a true four or five star, they are not going to be a difference maker. We see the struggles the best of this year, Amzil, has. Of course stepping off the plane to start with no early games or preseason was also tough, but even if he had that, 95% of frosh are not ready for the athleticism, physical game and pressure played at top level NCAA. At UD its not what they do their first year, but mostly what they do in their third and fourth year that counts. We look like we could have three of four that could do it in two years.

[John C.]

I am actually pleased with the progress that our freshmen made this year. With the lack of preparation that they would normally have had, they have held their own. Are there better freshmen out there, sure. But I think ours fit the UD mold and will be even more valuable next year. It will be a rather young team that will rely on the experience they received this year to get us a few more wins.

[Medford]

My biggest concern in the lack of anything out of the gaurd spot (unless you include Blankney). We all believed Brea was going to redshirt, and perhaps Frazier had more issues with his appendix than we realized prior to the surgery, but UD got nothing there and it leaves a huge question mark about the spot next season. With 2 highly regarded guards joining the team next year, plus the return of Cohill, its going to be interesting spot for sure, and nothing we can feel confident about heading into the season.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Medford My biggest concern in the lack of anything out of the gaurd spot (unless you include Blankney). We all believed Brea was going to redshirt, and perhaps Frazier had more issues with his appendix than we realized prior to the surgery, but UD got nothing there and it leaves a huge question mark about the spot next season. With 2 highly regarded guards joining the team next year, plus the return of Cohill, its going to be interesting spot for sure, and nothing we can feel confident about heading into the season.

It seems that it all comes down to Weaver as to how well we handle to ball and dish it. Unless Smith comes in ready to Quarterback this team, which is not something you can really count on.

[CvilleFlyer]

Originally Posted by Medford My biggest concern in the lack of anything out of the gaurd spot (unless you include Blankney). We all believed Brea was going to redshirt, and perhaps Frazier had more issues with his appendix than we realized prior to the surgery, but UD got nothing there and it leaves a huge question mark about the spot next season. With 2 highly regarded guards joining the team next year, plus the return of Cohill, its going to be interesting spot for sure, and nothing we can feel confident about heading into the season.

I can't believe that your biggest concern is the guard spot for next year! Do you not think AG has racheted up his recruiting from this year to the incoming class next season. I predict that Malachi Smith and Lynn Greer III will come in game ready. Weaver and Cohill will be pushed for minutes and the freshman from this season are going to find it difficult to get off the bench, excluding Blakney. Nwokeji needs to model his game after Blakney because he can be speeded up and when that happens he usually turns the ball over. Zimi thinks he can dribble from the top of the key through two or three guys. If that doesn't result in a turnover he gets all the way to the basket only to get his shot blocked by the opposing center. That happened several times in the St Bonaventure game by Osunniyi. I like Zimi but he just needs to slow down!

My biggest concern is the 5 spot! We need Sissoko to be injury free and show improvement over what we have seen from him thus far. As chiseled as he is he should be bulling people over like a Kofi Cockburn for Illinois! If he could turn into that type player together with Holmes, Washington and Amzil at the forwards look out A-10!

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

[steve]

The G play for next year is a concern. Lots of pieces but who knows with freshman, Weaver who needs to improve quite a bit (coming in this year was not easy at the last minute and I believe he will) and Cohill who is coming off an injury who, imo, brings more ability as an athlete/defender/basketball player who is not a real good offensive player from the guard position or hasn't shown it yet. Anytime you lose both starting guards and a guard/forward who all played close to 35-40 minutes it's a concern as almost 40 points will be gone.

Center position is also a huge concern depth-wise, experience and ability. AG will bring in someone and I'm excited to see the pups coming in and a veteran in Cohill.

[springborofan]

Who is going to be a shooter next year? That is my biggest concern and something I hope CAG addresses with a grad transfer. Neither Weaver nor Cohill strike me as a consistent 3 point shooter. Losing Ibi and Jalen (well, the Jalen before 2-3 weeks ago) is a big void. Brea is supposed to be a solid shooter but I really haven’t seen it yet. Maybe a year under his belt will get him more comfortable. I don’t recall if Frazier was a good shooter in HS. Not sure you can count on incoming freshmen for that.

[Medford]

Originally Posted by CvilleFlyer I can't believe that your biggest concern is the guard spot for next year! Do you not think AG has racheted up his recruiting from this year to the incoming class next season. I predict that Malachi Smith and Lynn Greer III will come in game ready. Weaver and Cohill will be pushed for minutes and the freshman from this season are going to find it difficult to get off the bench, excluding Blakney. Nwokeji needs to model his game after Blakney because he can be speeded up and when that happens he usually turns the ball over. Zimi thinks he can dribble from the top of the key through two or three guys. If that doesn't result in a turnover he gets all the way to the basket only to get his shot blocked by the opposing center. That happened several times in the St Bonaventure game by Osunniyi. I like Zimi but he just needs to slow down! My biggest concern is the 5 spot! We need Sissoko to be injury free and show improvement over what we have seen from him thus far. As chiseled as he is he should be bulling people over like a Kofi Cockburn for Illinois! If he could turn into that type player together with Holmes, Washington and Amzil at the forwards look out A-10!

Unless Jordy comes back, I think we will see a lot of 5 out basketball with Zimi, Amzil, Blankney, Washington & Holmes playing a combination of the 4-5. And I think UD will be solid there. Yes, I have huge questions about the guards. Weaver is inconsistent, Cohill is coming off injury and never really proven to handle PG duties. Brea and Frazier proved nothing this year. Smith and Greer might both be great, but Scoochie and Jalen were both great players at UD and both had their struggles year 1.


There is at least the development of Zimi and Amzil at the 4&5 and the top 50 rating on Holmes to count on/hope for in the post, there is nothing at the guard spot we can feel concrete about.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by CvilleFlyer I can't believe that your biggest concern is the guard spot for next year! Do you not think AG has racheted up his recruiting from this year to the incoming class next season. I predict that Malachi Smith and Lynn Greer III will come in game ready. Weaver and Cohill will be pushed for minutes and the freshman from this season are going to find it difficult to get off the bench, excluding Blakney. Nwokeji needs to model his game after Blakney because he can be speeded up and when that happens he usually turns the ball over. Zimi thinks he can dribble from the top of the key through two or three guys. If that doesn't result in a turnover he gets all the way to the basket only to get his shot blocked by the opposing center. That happened several times in the St Bonaventure game by Osunniyi. I like Zimi but he just needs to slow down! My biggest concern is the 5 spot! We need Sissoko to be injury free and show improvement over what we have seen from him thus far. As chiseled as he is he should be bulling people over like a Kofi Cockburn for Illinois! If he could turn into that type player together with Holmes, Washington and Amzil at the forwards look out A-10!

If your Forwards can play good defense and box out for rebounds, you don't necessarily need that 275 boulder as much. I suspect we're going to see something similar to last year(2019-2020) with Mo taking over for Jordy and used for a change of pace. Hopefully Washington and Holmes come with that athleticism and skill to be able to contest shots on the inside and grab possession of the ball after they do so. Also, I suspect that Amzil will improve in that department too.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

[Donniex3Era]

Originally Posted by maddog07 I suppose you are as excited as many with our 7th place finish in a middling conference? With all our advantages that’s what we should expect? Well done then! Posted via Mobile Device

Losing OBI, Landry and Mikesell, what did you expect? Next year's freshman are loaded, so keep making your snarky comments now. Thank god you aren't a Duke or NC fan.

[maddog07]

Love the optimism for next year, but if no seniors return it smacks wishful thinking.

We clearly have little at the guard position. Weaver is already a junior in age and clearly not even an average A10 starting guard- and he’s likely the best of the lot with freshmen almost never measure up to average starting guard level. Cohill and his 2pt per game average hardly qualifies as an average a10 player and Brea is.... well at this point borderline terrible. Let me know when he makes his FIRST 2pt fg and his 3pt shooting is near worst on the team(Chatman has that- but perhaps it’s somewhat attributable to his injury as he was respectable last year. And he defense make his offense look good.

Mou- please, he’s hurt and clearly way behind Jordy who is at best an average player.

So we rely on the forwards current and incoming to carry us. Hard to see us challenging for the conference or an at large bid. Improvement on our 7th place finish would seem a challenge. We look like at least two years away unless some returning seniors or transfers in bolster us.
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[bcross]

Originally Posted by Donniex3Era Losing OBI, Landry and Mikesell, what did you expect? Next year's freshman are loaded, so keep making your snarky comments now. Thank god you aren't a Duke or NC fan.

Team still has NCAA talent and as any team in the A10. It's ok to admit they underachieved during the regular season.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by ChrisInVenice It’s sports. It’s entertainment.

Except that a fair amount on the board expect consistently high conference finishes, routine NCAA berths, and a open invite to the new Big East.

Can't have it both ways.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Jeff Except that a fair amount on the board expect consistently high conference finishes, routine NCAA berths, and a open invite to the new Big East. Can't have it both ways.

So everyone on the board needs to think the same and have the same attitude?

[Runnin' Rebel]

Originally Posted by CE80 So everyone on the board needs to think the same and have the same attitude?

Yes... according to Facebook and Twitter

[Fudd]

Originally Posted by oldfan I suppose I look at it differently. If you are relying on the Freshmen contributing significantly it is because : 1. The previous recruiting classes were failures relative to the freshman class or 2. The coaches were unable to make the previous recruiting classes any better in their time on the team. In either case having Freshmen being the key contributors may not necessarily be considered a positive.

Or someone got drafted as a lottery pick.........

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by ChrisInVenice It’s sports. It’s entertainment.

Originally Posted by Jeff Except that a fair amount on the board expect consistently high conference finishes, routine NCAA berths, and a open invite to the new Big East. Can't have it both ways.

Why not?

No, seriously, why not? Why can't it be entertaining, and have sometimes high / sometimes low conference finishes, and an open invite to the BE? ("Routine" is just repeating sometimes high / sometimes low)

I mean, I get your point, we need to be like UConn who dominated the AAC from 2013 - 2020 in order to get the invite to the BE. It's the only way.

(checks notes)

Yeah, about that.

2020: 6th, 10-8
2019: 9th, 6-12
2018: 8th, 7-11
2017: 6th, 9-9
2016: 6th, 11-7
2015: 6th, 10-8
2014: 3rd, 12-6
2013: 2nd, 12-6

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 It seems that it all comes down to Weaver as to how well we handle to ball and dish it. Unless Smith comes in ready to Quarterback this team, which is not something you can really count on.

I expect ball-handling by committee next season. Weaver, Cohill, Smith and Rodney should he return will share the load. It will be unusual not having that one go-to PG since we've had one for so long (Scooch then Jalen).

[marco red eagle]

I heard this week ... no inside info ... it is possible Rodney and Jordy come back ... this was pure speculation ... from a person who has lots of info to speculate.

[SLUFLYER]

Originally Posted by maddog07 Love the optimism for next year, but if no seniors return it smacks wishful thinking. We clearly have little at the guard position. Weaver is already a junior in age and clearly not even an average A10 starting guard- and he’s likely the best of the lot with freshmen almost never measure up to average starting guard level. Cohill and his 2pt per game average hardly qualifies as an average a10 player and Brea is.... well at this point borderline terrible. Let me know when he makes his FIRST 2pt fg and his 3pt shooting is near worst on the team(Chatman has that- but perhaps it’s somewhat attributable to his injury as he was respectable last year. And he defense make his offense look good. Mou- please, he’s hurt and clearly way behind Jordy who is at best an average player. So we rely on the forwards current and incoming to carry us. Hard to see us challenging for the conference or an at large bid. Improvement on our 7th place finish would seem a challenge. We look like at least two years away unless some returning seniors or transfers in bolster us. Posted via Mobile Device

Since when have you "loved" or appreciated anyone's optimism? If it weren't for udscott, you'd be the leading malcontent.

[lhsgolf19]

Originally Posted by marco red eagle I heard this week ... no inside info ... it is possible Rodney and Jordy come back ... this was pure speculation ... from a person who has lots of info to speculate.

I'll be utterly stunned if Jordy is back... He'll be 25 when the season starts next season.

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 I'll be utterly stunned if Jordy is back... He'll be 25 when the season starts next season.

You ever heard of a guy named Chris Weinke? How about Brandon Weeden?

Prepare to be shocked. Jordy is the most likely to return given his pursuit for post-graduate education. Due to Rodney's unexpected loss of time and potentially limited overseas options, it is also very possible he returns.

There's a reasonably popular Dayton podcast out there and quite frankly I'm pretty amazed that a lot of people on this board don't seem to listen to it.

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by Gazoo Why not? No, seriously, why not? Why can't it be entertaining, and have sometimes high / sometimes low conference finishes, and an open invite to the BE? ("Routine" is just repeating sometimes high / sometimes low) I mean, I get your point, we need to be like UConn who dominated the AAC from 2013 - 2020 in order to get the invite to the BE. It's the only way. (checks notes) Yeah, about that. 2020: 6th, 10-8 2019: 9th, 6-12 2018: 8th, 7-11 2017: 6th, 9-9 2016: 6th, 11-7 2015: 6th, 10-8 2014: 3rd, 12-6 2013: 2nd, 12-6

Four pretty modern National Championships and a huge draw in the NYC market, not to mention Fox pushing the BE to re-add UConn, probably superseded their AAC results.

[steve]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 I'll be utterly stunned if Jordy is back... He'll be 25 when the season starts next season.

And, simply put, Jordy is playing about as well as he possibly can at this time. Imo, he's reached his ceiling. He's not getting any quicker, going to jump higher or develop post moves.

Now if he's working on post-grad programs (masters, doctorate, etc. ) then, yes, I could see him taking advantage of another free year of education.

[steve]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo You ever heard of a guy named Chris Weinke? How about Brandon Weeden? Prepare to be shocked. Jordy is the most likely to return given his pursuit for post-graduate education. Due to Rodney's unexpected loss of time and potentially limited overseas options, it is also very possible he returns. There's a reasonably popular Dayton podcast out there and quite frankly I'm pretty amazed that a lot of people on this board don't seem to listen to it.

Just posted about Jordy's situation, education-wise, which too many only look at it from an athletic standpoint. Another thing is a guy like Chatman who has missed a great deal of the season, it's possible he needs to further audition his skills for an overseas opportunity or at least a better one in addition to education ambitions.

Covid has made a situation bad for all but for a guy like Chatman it's worse because his senior BB resume is also very limited. Plus, what UD current player wouldn't want to play again at a place like UD with, hopefully, a close-to-expected capacity of fans AND missing out on a NCAA tourney last year.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo You ever heard of a guy named Chris Weinke? How about Brandon Weeden? .

What minor league baseball team did Jordy try his hand at before going back to college and switching sports?

[lhsgolf19]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo You ever heard of a guy named Chris Weinke? How about Brandon Weeden? Prepare to be shocked. Jordy is the most likely to return given his pursuit for post-graduate education. Due to Rodney's unexpected loss of time and potentially limited overseas options, it is also very possible he returns. There's a reasonably popular Dayton podcast out there and quite frankly I'm pretty amazed that a lot of people on this board don't seem to listen to it.

I never said anything about Rodney, I wouldn't be surprised if Rodney comes back due to his injury this year

Added on: Also, I love Jordy (seems like a great dude) but if he wants to play another year, I hope it's somewhere else... we need to get back to the Obi type offense (possibly with DaRon and others)

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by steve Just posted about Jordy's situation, education-wise, which too many only look at it from an athletic standpoint. Another thing is a guy like Chatman who has missed a great deal of the season, it's possible he needs to further audition his skills for an overseas opportunity or at least a better one in addition to education ambitions. Covid has made a situation bad for all but for a guy like Chatman it's worse because his senior BB resume is also very limited. Plus, what UD current player wouldn't want to play again at a place like UD with, hopefully, a close-to-expected capacity of fans AND missing out on a NCAA tourney last year.

If Chatman comes back what is going to make him motivated next year? Some on hear have said the seniors can't generate emotion to motivate them to play the bottom feeders in the league. So if the carrot of playing in the NCCA tournament this year wasn't enough motivation what will make next year any different?

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 What minor league baseball team did Jordy try his hand at before going back to college and switching sports?

Lol yup it was obviously that similarity, not the age similarity I was referring to.

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by CT Flyer If Chatman comes back what is going to make him motivated next year? Some on hear have said the seniors can't generate emotion to motivate them to play the bottom feeders in the league. So if the carrot of playing in the NCCA tournament this year wasn't enough motivation what will make next year any different?

You think Rodney's problem is not playing with emotion!? I would say the exact opposite. He often plays with too much emotion.

His motivation is simple: $$$ and redemption. As has been discussed numerous times on this board, options overseas have been and may remain limited given the current climate. Another year could see more openings. For example it took Mikesell a whole year to sign with a foreign team. Another (hopefully healthy) complete year would give Rodney a chance to showcase himself and put himself in better position to play professionally overseas.

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo You think Rodney's problem is not playing with emotion!? I would say the exact opposite. He often plays with too much emotion. His motivation is simple: $$$ and redemption. As has been discussed numerous times on this board, options overseas have been and may remain limited given the current climate. Another year could see more openings. For example it took Mikesell a whole year to sign with a foreign team. Another (hopefully healthy) complete year would give Rodney a chance to showcase himself and put himself in better position to play professionally overseas.

I did not say that...that's what others on this board have said as an excuse why we lost to all the bottom feeders. My reply was if making the NCAA tournament and possibly making yourself more money next year professionally isn't enough to motivate you then shame on the seniors and maybe we are recruiting the wrong kind of players.

[maddog07]

Originally Posted by SLUFLYER Since when have you "loved" or appreciated anyone's optimism? If it weren't for udscott, you'd be the leading malcontent.

Tell where I’m wrong!
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[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo Lol yup it was obviously that similarity, not the age similarity I was referring to.

While we're laughing, lol, yeah, because you can name 2 college athletes, both who failed at baseball before trying their hands at football, played in their upper 20s, out of what? 100 thousand college athletes and more, we can expect Jordy to return. And because Tom Brady was a 6th round pick, we should expect all 6th round picks at QB to be Tom Brady. And since Obi wasn't even rated out of HS, we should expect all non-rated HS players to be NBA lottery picks.

[steve]

Originally Posted by CT Flyer If Chatman comes back what is going to make him motivated next year? Some on hear have said the seniors can't generate emotion to motivate them to play the bottom feeders in the league. So if the carrot of playing in the NCCA tournament this year wasn't enough motivation what will make next year any different?

Maybe he wants to further his education free of charge? Maybe he wants to play in front of thousands of people? Maybe he wants to play in the NCAA?Maybe he feels he really needs to improve? Maybe he wants to be a captain? Maybe there's some underlying issue between he and Crutcher or he and Ibi? Maybe Chatman isn't totally healthy? etc. etc.etc

[SLUFLYER]

Originally Posted by maddog07 Love the optimism for next year, but if no seniors return it smacks wishful thinking. We clearly have little at the guard position. Weaver is already a junior in age and clearly not even an average A10 starting guard- and he’s likely the best of the lot with freshmen almost never measure up to average starting guard level. Cohill and his 2pt per game average hardly qualifies as an average a10 player and Brea is.... well at this point borderline terrible. Let me know when he makes his FIRST 2pt fg and his 3pt shooting is near worst on the team(Chatman has that- but perhaps it’s somewhat attributable to his injury as he was respectable last year. And he defense make his offense look good. Mou- please, he’s hurt and clearly way behind Jordy who is at best an average player. So we rely on the forwards current and incoming to carry us. Hard to see us challenging for the conference or an at large bid. Improvement on our 7th place finish would seem a challenge. We look like at least two years away unless some returning seniors or transfers in bolster us. Posted via Mobile Device

Koby Brea........"Hold my beer."

I didn't have to look further than this post to show you where you're wrong. But thanks for playing. Go sit in the corner again, please.

[Medford]

Well Brea's performance certainly sparks some optimism. Forget the 3 pointers, I was most impressed by a few of the rebounds he attacked.

[lhsgolf19]

39 points 16 rebounds

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by SLUFLYER Koby Brea........"Hold my beer." I didn't have to look further than this post to show you where you're wrong. But thanks for playing. Go sit in the corner again, please.

You know, since he's totally given up on next season, he really should have no need to post until November 2022. We all know his opinion so why keep giving it?

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 39 points 16 rebounds

Don't forget only 3 turnovers in a combined 72 minutes between the 4.

[San Diego Flyer]

[QUOTE=maddog07;655030]Love the optimism for next year, but if no seniors return it smacks wishful thinking.

We clearly have little at the guard position. Weaver is already a junior in age and clearly not even an average A10 starting guard- and he’s likely the best of the lot with freshmen almost never measure up to average starting guard level. Cohill and his 2pt per game average hardly qualifies as an average a10 player and Brea is.... well at this point borderline terrible. Let me know when he makes his FIRST 2pt fg and his 3pt shooting is near worst on the team(Chatman has that- but perhaps it’s somewhat attributable to his injury as he was respectable last year. And he defense make his offense look good.

Mou- please, he’s hurt and clearly way behind Jordy who is at best an average player.

So we rely on the forwards current and incoming to carry us. Hard to see us challenging for the conference or an at large bid. Improvement on our 7th place finish would seem a challenge. We look like at least two years away unless some returning seniors or transfers in bolster us.
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I actually think our Freshmen are reading your posts ..ddog. Brea gets a deuce right on que, drops 2/2 from 3. You might be the great healer.
All the Freshmen contribute

[Radar]

Today’s performance killed this thread.
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[shwag33]

Honestly, not sure what happened with the freshman. It looked like amzil was the only real contributor at least for 2022, then the other 3 all showed great flashes, and we have solid recruits coming in.

[Sea Bass]

The freshman were unable to have a normal season. Couldn't practice, were injured, had Covid? The teams with a lot of vets had a huge advantage. Team was doing OK then Rodney got hurt and Chase left.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by SLUFLYER Koby Brea........"Hold my beer." I didn't have to look further than this post to show you where you're wrong. But thanks for playing. Go sit in the corner again, please.

No parting gifts?

[Fudd]

Amzil, Nwokeji and Blakney are the newcomers who distinguished themselves the most this season in my mind. Nwokeji and Blakney both had slow starts and had to adjust to the college game. Amzil came in blazing.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by Radar Today’s performance killed this thread. Posted via Mobile Device

Confused. The thread is about how the freshmen are doing well. And today they again did well.

[CvilleFlyer]

Originally Posted by maddog07 Love the optimism for next year, but if no seniors return it smacks wishful thinking. We clearly have little at the guard position. Weaver is already a junior in age and clearly not even an average A10 starting guard- and he’s likely the best of the lot with freshmen almost never measure up to average starting guard level. Cohill and his 2pt per game average hardly qualifies as an average a10 player and Brea is.... well at this point borderline terrible. Let me know when he makes his FIRST 2pt fg and his 3pt shooting is near worst on the team(Chatman has that- but perhaps it’s somewhat attributable to his injury as he was respectable last year. And he defense make his offense look good. Mou- please, he’s hurt and clearly way behind Jordy who is at best an average player. So we rely on the forwards current and incoming to carry us. Hard to see us challenging for the conference or an at large bid. Improvement on our 7th place finish would seem a challenge. We look like at least two years away unless some returning seniors or transfers in bolster us. Posted via Mobile Device

I'd rather be an optimist than a pessimist. Although you usually post informative information example the post you made on the Rhode Island game thread on Wednesday stating that Sheppard was reportedly unable to play! I, for one, appreciated that comment. However, it was as if Brea read your above comment because he not only scored his first two pointer but made two nice rainbow threes from the corner late in the game for a total of 8 points. Also, Amzil had 14 pts., Nwokeji had 9 pts. and Blakney had 8 pts. for a total of 39! You made zero posts during the Rhode Island game thread and it doesn't surprise me the least bit because, instead of criticism, you would have had to make a compliment on how well the Flyers were playing and especially the freshman! I feel like the way this covid season has gone this game was a breath of fresh air especially with no preseason, stopages, injuries and the freshman having to learn Anthony Grant's system.

I choose to be an optimist looking forward to all our current players who are coming back and our incoming recruits for next season!

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[steverino015]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 39 points 16 rebounds

only 3 turnovers

and 4 for 8 from three point range...

if not for the freshmen,
we do not win this game..

Watson was supeb, but I
believe this is correct:
at around 11 minutes to go in
the game, Ibi had 25 points?
so, the last 11 minute he did
not score...

team win peoples in my opinion:
the freshmen,
Ibi lit it up
Jordy always hustles, good job silent T,
big fella with the moves!
Chatman didn;t score but 2 points
but 3 steals and 7 assists are fine
by me...
Crutcher was 4 for 11 I believe
also 7 assists.. Jalen gets it
going this season is not o

there is enough talent on this
team to win this tournament..
this season is not over yet

[maddog07]

Originally Posted by CvilleFlyer I'd rather be an optimist than a pessimist. Although you usually post informative information example the post you made on the Rhode Island game thread on Wednesday stating that Sheppard was reportedly unable to play! I, for one, appreciated that comment. However, it was as if Brea read your above comment because he not only scored his first two pointer but made two nice rainbow threes from the corner late in the game for a total of 8 points. Also, Amzil had 14 pts., Nwokeji had 9 pts. and Blakney had 8 pts. for a total of 39! You made zero posts during the Rhode Island game thread and it doesn't surprise me the least bit because, instead of criticism, you would have had to make a compliment on how well the Flyers were playing and especially the freshman! I feel like the way this covid season has gone this game was a breath of fresh air especially with no preseason, stopages, injuries and the freshman having to learn Anthony Grant's system. I choose to be an optimist looking forward to all our current players who are coming back and our incoming recruits for next season!

I made no posts during the game because I had to work and could not watch until much later. Clearly I am not an optimist, and instead a realist, more reliant on evidence like the 7th place finish to frame my unsatisfactory grading of this year’s team and several of our players who have had dismal seasons like Brea.
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	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Gazoo Confused. The thread is about how the freshmen are doing well. And today they again did well.

The thread title: "...and ours don't"

Ours do. And really did yesterday.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by Radar The thread title: "...and ours don't" Ours do. And really did yesterday.

Not sure if you picked up on this, but, it was sarcastic. The first sentence inside the post makes that pretty clear.


Further, the point was that we hear it after losses but never hear from certain people about how well they played after wins, and since this was a win, this is pretty much the point of the thread as opposed to "killing" it.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by maddog07 Clearly I am not an optimistPosted via Mobile Device

Ya think?

You give pessimists a bad name!

[maddog07]

Originally Posted by Radar Ya think? You give pessimists a bad name!

What’s to be optimistic about.

Next year? exchanging Chatman for Weaver, ouch. Watson for Brea, oh my. Crutcher for Cohill or freshman who have yet to suit up - or maybe Frazier- lmao.

Jordy to Mou going from ordinary to incompetent.

Sure we can expect the forwards to improve somewhat. Lots of room there though.

Fortunately, the league may be no better or even worse next year and perhaps we can finish 7th again. So proud.

Unless we get a couple of great transfers or the incoming freshmen are amazing immediately (who was the last amazing freshman?) it’s hard, perhaps irrational to have your optimism.
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[longtimefan67]

Maddog, is it true your momma dropped you on your head as an infant?
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[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by maddog07 What’s to be optimistic about. Next year? exchanging Chatman for Weaver, ouch. Watson for Brea, oh my. Crutcher for Cohill or freshman who have yet to suit up - or maybe Frazier- lmao. Jordy to Mou going from ordinary to incompetent. Sure we can expect the forwards to improve somewhat. Lots of room there though. Fortunately, the league may be no better or even worse next year and perhaps we can finish 7th again. So proud. Unless we get a couple of great transfers or the incoming freshmen are amazing immediately (who was the last amazing freshman?) it’s hard, perhaps irrational to have your optimism. Posted via Mobile Device

please look at AG's track record sans Eric Maynor and Obi

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by maddog07 What’s to be optimistic about.

A top recruiting class.

Amzil, a HS senior, got great experience and will spend the offseason with hard evidence of things to work on instead of a normal freshman transition year. He played 1/2 a year fairly effectively as an undeveloped HS senior. Let's see a few months in the weight room (starting tomorrow).

Zimi going from deer in headlights to gaining confidence by year end.

More 3 point shooters next year than this year. Zimi, Amzil, Blakeney, Brea all shot 33% or better as freshmen. 4 players all shot over 33%!! Cohill was a 36% shooter last year, so it's not unrealistic to believe we could put a team on the floor with guards -> center all shooting 33% or better from 3.

Ibi and Crutcher just didn't play with passion. Blakeney certainly brings a bounce to the game. We will have defensive intensity next year I think that we didn't have from our senior guards. "Good enough" just seemed good enough.

2 seniors on the team, meaning it will be fun to watch the team build and gel throughout the year. It's entertainment, have a beer.

Unfortunately, we're not picked to win the NCAA tournament next year, so yeah, we're not perfect. How about we go through about 325 of the 350 D1 programs and say "what's there to be optimistic about" like a little b**ch. But we do have things to be optimistic about.

[maddog07]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 Maddog, is it true your momma dropped you on your head as an infant? Posted via Mobile Device

Why don’t you try refuting my observations I rather than just live in fantasyland.
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[Monster Man]

Originally Posted by maddog07 What’s to be optimistic about. Next year? exchanging Chatman for Weaver, ouch. Watson for Brea, oh my. Crutcher for Cohill or freshman who have yet to suit up - or maybe Frazier- lmao. Jordy to Mou going from ordinary to incompetent. Sure we can expect the forwards to improve somewhat. Lots of room there though. Fortunately, the league may be no better or even worse next year and perhaps we can finish 7th again. So proud. Unless we get a couple of great transfers or the incoming freshmen are amazing immediately (who was the last amazing freshman?) it’s hard, perhaps irrational to have your optimism. Posted via Mobile Device

Do you need to see a doctor for anti-depressant medication? Your extreme pessimism and doom/gloom negativity is unmatched by any other Prider on this board. I hope you’re not like this in your work and personal life, but you’re really quite the downer on UD Pride.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by maddog07 Brea is.... well at this point borderline terrible. Let me know when he makes his FIRST 2pt fg and his 3pt shooting is near worst on the team.. Posted via Mobile Device

The ink wasn't dry on your criticism before Koby made his first 2 pt. He also made 7/13 three pointers the last 6 games of the season.

What I saw above his 3 point break out was a kid who had court savvy, speed, athleticism, and passion for improving both as a team player on offense and defense.

[maddog07]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer The ink wasn't dry on your criticism before Koby made his first 2 pt. He also made 7/13 three pointers the last 6 games of the season. What I saw above his 3 point break out was a kid who had court savvy, speed, athleticism, and passion for improving both as a team player on offense and defense.

All that ourt savvy, speed, athleticism, and passion must be somewhat overrated. What I saw was a kid who added nothing. If he had never played our record would be no different.

He played in 16 games (probably could have played in more if he was better) 13 fg. Or <1 per game. Only 3 were 2pts which underscores a complete inability to penetrate. He was last on the team in fg% excepting Sissoko who was a joke offensively. But that’s another topic.

Koby was a terrible defender. So often getting blown by. He did have 2 steals- in the equivalent of about 6.5 full games ( assuming 33 minutes per). It’s hard to steal when chasing your guy from behind!

6.4 pts a game (again assuming full games), impressive, no?? especially given that he was always open because opponents were hardly worried about him. He actually rebounded fairly well.

Yes I saw signs of promise. But he had a bad year. Hope he turns into Devin Oliver soon, otherwise it’s looks pretty grim at guard next year if he’s forced to start.
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[Jeff]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 I'll be utterly stunned if Jordy is back... He'll be 25 when the season starts next season.

Word is he dropped his diploma.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by CE80 So everyone on the board needs to think the same and have the same attitude?

Not at all.

You can't deny that there a large groups in two camps in a broad sense:

1) Top tier, annual NCAA appearances...ready for the next conference

and

2) Good teams, occasional appearances, good guys.


...and those who just want to debate.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by Jeff Word is he dropped his diploma.

FWIW, I was told back in December by someone who has become good friends with Jordy during his time in Dayton that Jordy loves Dayton, loves school, loves his coaches, and never wants to leave. Could be interesting.

[TA111]

Originally Posted by Gazoo A top recruiting class. Amzil, a HS senior, got great experience and will spend the offseason with hard evidence of things to work on instead of a normal freshman transition year. He played 1/2 a year fairly effectively as an undeveloped HS senior. Let's see a few months in the weight room (starting tomorrow). Zimi going from deer in headlights to gaining confidence by year end. More 3 point shooters next year than this year. Zimi, Amzil, Blakeney, Brea all shot 33% or better as freshmen. 4 players all shot over 33%!! Cohill was a 36% shooter last year, so it's not unrealistic to believe we could put a team on the floor with guards -> center all shooting 33% or better from 3. Ibi and Crutcher just didn't play with passion. Blakeney certainly brings a bounce to the game. We will have defensive intensity next year I think that we didn't have from our senior guards. "Good enough" just seemed good enough. 2 seniors on the team, meaning it will be fun to watch the team build and gel throughout the year. It's entertainment, have a beer. Unfortunately, we're not picked to win the NCAA tournament next year, so yeah, we're not perfect. How about we go through about 325 of the 350 D1 programs and say "what's there to be optimistic about" like a little b**ch. But we do have things to be optimistic about.

Don’t you know you’re not allowed to use facts and common sense when debating.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by maddog07 Why don’t you try refuting my observations I rather than just live in fantasyland. Posted via Mobile Device

You should follow your own advice above. You said to wake you when Koby made his first 2pt. I did not read a thank you anywhere in your blithering. Do you not think Koby's 7/13 threes were noteworthy?

You don't live in fantasy land. Is it damp in mom's basement?

Kind of glad we are approaching off season so we don't have to put up with your negativity.
Summer is a time for optimism when you are a fish out of water.

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by maddog07 Why don’t you try refuting my observations I rather than just live in fantasyland. Posted via Mobile Device

First of all “Maddog”, I’ve got a feeling that you and UDscott might be the same person since you never comment on anything he says and vice versa. if not, at a minimum, you both echo the same nonsensical BS all the time. Is it possible you two are brothers, aged 44 and 46, both sharing moms dingy stinky basement where if you’re not talking **** you’re playing video games all day and trying to troll? You constantly pick on Koby Brea, seems like you were dissing Trey Landers in a similar fashion at one point. I’m pretty sure this guy has a very bright future and in the end emerges like Devin Oliver. Please find another hobby. AG isn’t going away anytime soon unless he’s convicted of a major felony.
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[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan FWIW, I was told back in December by someone who has become good friends with Jordy during his time in Dayton that Jordy loves Dayton, loves school, loves his coaches, and never wants to leave. Could be interesting.

If Jordy wants to come back next year, with the understanding that he’d be a role player, with his role being defense, rebounding, and veteran leadership (especially as a mentor to Mou), I’d be fine with that.
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[TA111]

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 If Jordy wants to come back next year, with the understanding that he’d be a role player, with his role being defense, rebounding, and veteran leadership (especially as a mentor to Mou), I’d be fine with that. Posted via Mobile Device

But why would a 25 year old kid come back to be a role player? Just don’t see it.

[superfan99]

Originally Posted by TA111 But why would a 25 year old kid come back to be a role player? Just don’t see it.

Why would a 24 year old come back to be a role player? It’s strange to me that people are so confident either way in what the seniors decisions will be
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[CT Flyer]

Does he think he is ever going to be anything but a role player?

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by TA111 But why would a 25 year old kid come back to be a role player? Just don’t see it.

I had a friend who took just enough classes after getting his Bachelor’s Degree in 1973 to be able to play in the Pride of Dayton marching band for 11 years straight (1969-79), and for the last several of those years, he played bass drum (R.I.P., George). Maybe Jordy wants to work toward a Master’s Degree (or 2), and he and CAG are both fine with it? It’s not a horrible stretch to say that Jordy could be motivated in that direction. I don’t know. I’m just saying, it’s possible.
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[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by CT Flyer Does he think he is ever going to be anything but a role player?

I should have clarified: coming off the bench, not starting.
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[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Jordy has one year of his Masters under his belt. He is very intelligent and a good student. I would be very pleased to see him get his Masters at Dayton and fill whatever role Grant gives him.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by TA111 But why would a 25 year old kid come back to be a role player? Just don’t see it.

Every keyboard warrior on this site would give his (her) left nut (left ovary) to play 1 year of college hoops, even if you never saw the floor for anything beyond garbage time.

[SeasonTicketFan]

Originally Posted by Gazoo Every keyboard warrior on this site would give his (her) left nut (left ovary) to play 1 year of college hoops, even if you never saw the floor for anything beyond garbage time.

Keyboard warriors want the glory of playing, but the work involved is very hard. For us it a game. For the players, it becomes more hard labor quickly. Practices are grueling.

I have several friends who played college ball and gave up playing because it was no longer fun. They lost their joy for the game after a while.

This season seemed double hard on this team. Everything was a struggle and uphill battle.

If you are going through that effort and pain, get paid for it. I have no inside knowledge but I expect very few. D1 seniors in the NCAA to return.

[San Diego Flyer]

Hell, I would drop everything to again be Joey Gruden for a season! Travel with the team, bond with the players, soak up the strategy from a COY. Pad my way into coaching eventually. A gym rat's dream.

From what I see, Jordy doesn't have to beg for minutes. He is earning his 22/game, and he is a great teammate. Might be my favorite play of the year when Jordy vaporized that VCU kid who chose to step in front of a runaway train and could barely make it to the locker room. The effort Jordy put into that VCU game was exemplary.

[TA111]

Originally Posted by Gazoo Every keyboard warrior on this site would give his (her) left nut (left ovary) to play 1 year of college hoops, even if you never saw the floor for anything beyond garbage time.

I don’t disagree, but when you’re ready to turn 25 and have already been in college 5 years it’s an entirely different story.

[steverino015]

Originally Posted by Lifelong Flyer Fan Jordy has one year of his Masters under his belt. He is very intelligent and a good student. I would be very pleased to see him get his Masters at Dayton and fill whatever role Grant gives him.

I would not do this, unless
he agreed th a new eye examination
and fitted, if necessary,
with contact lenses or corrective
goggles/glasses....

maybe it is a vision thing...

ref: Johnny Davis

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer Hell, I would drop everything to again be Joey Gruden for a season! Travel with the team, bond with the players, soak up the strategy from a COY. Pad my way into coaching eventually. A gym rat's dream. From what I see, Jordy doesn't have to beg for minutes. He is earning his 22/game, and he is a great teammate. Might be my favorite play of the year when Jordy vaporized that VCU kid who chose to step in front of a runaway train and could barely make it to the locker room. The effort Jordy put into that VCU game was exemplary.

I think that guy was crying as he limped to the locker room.
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