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Old 06-07-2018, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
We are in the top 25 nationally in terms of men's basketball finances, I don't understand your point of view.

How can we not afford something better? You seem to be saying that we are too poor in order to be able to afford something better.

Every time some website analyzes men's basketball finances nationally, we are always in the top 25.
Not poor at all. It was in response to the 15-15 model with UD going on the road for a big boy versus them getting the home revenue.

UD has to obtain the financial numbers and the lack of a home game, or two, cuts into that.
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Did I miss something? We just came off a season where our non-con SOS was 2nd in the entire country. Just imagine the complaints if we were 5th in the country.
Take an honest look at our schedule and tell me that's a top 3 SOS in the country. There's a major flaw in the math if what we had last year was top 3.
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Whatcha smokin Buster.


http://www.secsports.com/standings/mens-basketball
My bad, I mixed them up with Alabama. Alabama, another boring team we seem to play every 2-3 years.
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How many games did you attend at the Arena last season?
2: URI and VCU, the only two games that remotely interested me.
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Originally Posted by Buster Goode View Post
Take an honest look at our schedule and tell me that's a top 3 SOS in the country. There's a major flaw in the math if what we had last year was top 3.
Our KenPom NC SOS based on final season results was #118. My guess is the "3" was our NC SOS tallied before the conference schedule began.

Of the top 20 NC SOS, only 3 were not mid or low majors: Temple (7), UNC (16), Tennessee (20). The rest played a ton of "buy" games away from home.

Here's all the A10 NC SOS according to KenPom:
Richmond - 34
URI - 64
LaSalle - 93
St. Joe's - 94
UD - 118
Davidson - 121
St Bon - 127
VCU - 128
SLU - 134
GW - 153
UMass - 259
GM - 279
Fordham - 313
Duquesne - 350 (out of 351, only Georgetown had worse NC SOS)
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The #3 (actually #2) ranking comes from UD's non conference rpi SOS per UDPride. Certainly you can argue that KenPom is a better metric, but that is where it is coming from, for whatever its worth.
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Anyone complaining about our schedule should look at URI's lol

Home: Bryant, Brown, Stony Brook, Harvard and Middle Tennessee State
Away: Providence, Charleston, Holy Cross
Neutral: WVU, Diamond Head Classic

Alabama home game moved to next year and Nevada opted out of the road game to the Ryan Center

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Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 View Post
Anyone complaining about our schedule should look at URI's lol

Home: Bryant, Brown, Stony Brook, Harvard and Middle Tennessee State
Away: Providence, Charleston, Holy Cross
Neutral: WVU, Diamond Head Classic

Alabama home game moved to next year and Nevada opted out of the road game to the Ryan Center

Woof!
I would be heated if Nevada did that to us
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I would be heated if Nevada did that to us
I would too... but that's on URI for giving them the option to do that
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Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 View Post
I would too... but that's on URI for giving them the option to do that
I would think all home-and-home contracts are built like that. Why wouldn't they be?

It's no different than coaching contracts that have a buy-out which is paid by the coaches new team (basically), and the opportunity for a home-and-home with that team, unless that team is one of 3 dream jobs for a coach.

I think it's more interesting in that Nevada opted out at all. Weren't we just talking about Quad 1/2 wins, road victories, and the sort, and Nevada bailed out on one. (possibly, URI has new coach and graduated a lot) Is Nevada afraid of losing to URI? Afraid of URI not being a Quad 1/2? That's where the story is here. Why did Nevada buy out URI?
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I would think all home-and-home contracts are built like that. Why wouldn't they be?

It's no different than coaching contracts that have a buy-out which is paid by the coaches new team (basically), and the opportunity for a home-and-home with that team, unless that team is one of 3 dream jobs for a coach.

I think it's more interesting in that Nevada opted out at all. Weren't we just talking about Quad 1/2 wins, road victories, and the sort, and Nevada bailed out on one. (possibly, URI has new coach and graduated a lot) Is Nevada afraid of losing to URI? Afraid of URI not being a Quad 1/2? That's where the story is here. Why did Nevada buy out URI?
They were supposed to play at Davidson this year too but they pushed that series back to 19/20

I haven't been able to find a reason but I wonder if it might have something to do with staying out west. Vegas, LA and Phoenix looks like the only place they're traveling to so far
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Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 View Post
Anyone complaining about our schedule should look at URI's lol

Home: Bryant, Brown, Stony Brook, Harvard and Middle Tennessee State
Away: Providence, Charleston, Holy Cross
Neutral: WVU, Diamond Head Classic

Alabama home game moved to next year and Nevada opted out of the road game to the Ryan Center

Woof!
Why is this such a bad schedule? WVU, Providence, Harvard, MTSU. I'd take that in a heartbeat. Plus you get at least another decent game at the Diamond Head. Charleston had a RPI in the 60s last year and Stony Brook is usually decent.

Have you some some insider knowledge about why our schedule will be better than this?
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Why is this such a bad schedule? WVU, Providence, Harvard, MTSU. I'd take that in a heartbeat. Plus you get at least another decent game at the Diamond Head. Charleston had a RPI in the 60s last year and Stony Brook is usually decent.

Have you some some insider knowledge about why our schedule will be better than this?
I'd yell Fire Sullivan if that was our schedule... But that's just me lol
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Originally Posted by Figgie123 View Post
I would think all home-and-home contracts are built like that. Why wouldn't they be?

It's no different than coaching contracts that have a buy-out which is paid by the coaches new team (basically), and the opportunity for a home-and-home with that team, unless that team is one of 3 dream jobs for a coach.

I think it's more interesting in that Nevada opted out at all. Weren't we just talking about Quad 1/2 wins, road victories, and the sort, and Nevada bailed out on one. (possibly, URI has new coach and graduated a lot) Is Nevada afraid of losing to URI? Afraid of URI not being a Quad 1/2? That's where the story is here. Why did Nevada buy out URI?
I found these tweets from the Nevada beat writer


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Cost to Nevada to buy out the Rhode Island game was $50,000. So the Wolf Pack basically bought a home game against a Top 25 team last year for $50,000


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I also can understand why Nevada did it but old saying does comes to mind. “If you play with fire....

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I don't think that was the original plan, but the Sweet 16 run opened other scheduling opportunities and URI shouldn't have agreed to a $50K buyout. Industry standard is $100K. I can see it from both sides. Nevada fans won't be happy if USC, for example, bails next year.
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Considering it cost Nevada $85K to buy a home game vs. Idaho last season, this was a shrewd move. Davidson was smart enough to make the buyout $100K.

Who is replacing URI?


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There is no one specific game that replaces it. It just opened up the schedule for different opportunities. Road game at USC (with a return game at Nevada next year) possible because of move. Some neutral-site games also possible as a result of the move.
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Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 View Post
I'd yell Fire Sullivan if that was our schedule... But that's just me lol
I'm still confused by this so I did all the numbers (end of season RPI):

MTSU - 30
Harvard - 120
Providence - 36
Charleston - 61
WVU - 24

Brown, Bryant and Holy Cross are RPI tankers, but at least Holy Cross is a road game. The Diamond Head will have some nice RPI games: TCU (28), Colorado (84), and SMC (46). Hawaii and UNLV should be better next year too.

I agree this isn't a phenomenal non-con, but compared to SO many schools problems scheduling outside of conference, attacking this seems rather nit picky.
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I'm still confused by this so I did all the numbers (end of season RPI):

MTSU - 30
Harvard - 120
Providence - 36
Charleston - 61
WVU - 24

Brown, Bryant and Holy Cross are RPI tankers, but at least Holy Cross is a road game. The Diamond Head will have some nice RPI games: TCU (28), Colorado (84), and SMC (46). Hawaii and UNLV should be better next year too.

I agree this isn't a phenomenal non-con, but compared to SO many schools problems scheduling outside of conference, attacking this seems rather nit picky.

Yeah. Not sure how that's worse than ours.
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Pods were just announced.
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Duquesne, UMass, Rhode Island, Saint Louis and VCU
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So H & H with SLU, UMASS, URI, VCU and Duquesne? That's about as good as we could hope for I would think.
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So H & H with SLU, UMASS, URI, VCU and Duquesne? That's about as good as we could hope for I would think.
I'd prefer H&Hs with SLU, URI, VCU, SBU and Davidson.
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I'd prefer H&Hs with SLU, URI, VCU, SBU and Davidson.
I prefer Duquesne and UMass so everyone can shut up about we should have got Dambrot or McCall lol
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I'd like to actually beat UMass this year...

St. Louis, Rhode Island, VCU all likely to be top 1/3 of A10 next year, so a solid schedule in my opinion. Plus, I like having LaSalle (terrible gym) and St. Joe's (best team?) at home, and only playing Fordham once (wish it was zero times) as well.
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I'd like to actually beat UMass this year...

St. Louis, Rhode Island, VCU all likely to be top 1/3 of A10 next year, so a solid schedule in my opinion. Plus, I like having LaSalle (terrible gym) and St. Joe's (best team?) at home, and only playing Fordham once (wish it was zero times) as well.
Yes. Let’s start with point Number one on this post. Beat UMass! If I were a betting man, I would expect that game at Saint Bonaventure to be one of the ESPN Friday night games. Same goes for one of the Rhode Island matchup’s . We shall see though.
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UNF will have another tough non-conference basketball schedule with games against Dayton, Penn State, Florida, Florida State, Minnesota, Auburn, and Charleston Southern twice

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UNF will have another tough non-conference basketball schedule with games against Dayton, Penn State, Florida, Florida State, Minnesota, Auburn, and Charleston Southern twice

Add North Florida to the home schedule
Battle 4 Atlantis (N)
Battle 4 Atlantis (N)
Battle 4 Atlantis (N)
Mississippi State
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Pretty sure that's it so far. 4-5 more games yet to be announced. Am I missing any? Those looking for more than one true road game might need to look elsewhere! It is a bit concerning to be well into January and only be playing your second true road game.
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Yup NCAA moved the start of the season up a week... that is the new opening night of College BBall
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Battle 4 Atlantis (N)
Battle 4 Atlantis (N)
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Presbyterian
Tulsa (N)

Pretty sure that's it so far. 4-5 more games yet to be announced. Am I missing any? Those looking for more than one true road game might need to look elsewhere! It is a bit concerning to be well into January and only be playing your second true road game.
There's gonna be a mainland game as a part of the Battle for Atlantis

Wofford and Charleston Southern are two of the mainland teams and the others are TBA

https://www.bloggingthebracket.com/2...s-thanksgiving
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There's gonna be a mainland game as a part of the Battle for Atlantis

Wofford and Charleston Southern are two of the mainland teams and the others are TBA

https://www.bloggingthebracket.com/2...s-thanksgiving
So that means 5 more games correct if that game is exempt?
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So that means 5 more games correct if that game is exempt?
3 games in the Bahamas and 1 on the mainland
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So that means 5 more games correct if that game is exempt?
I think so...18 A10 and 8 ooc so far...31 allowable-26=5 remaining.

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I think so...18 A10 and 8 ooc so far...31 allowable-26=5 remaining.
That's what I meant UD2, if we're playing a "mainland" game with a non-participant of the actual tournament (i.e. Wofford/Charleston So.), is that exempt like a game against one of the actual participants would be?

Sounds like it is and we'll be playing 31 total games. You wouldn't have to play an additional game though if you use an exempt one, just an option.
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It would be exempt, included with the 3 tournament games all (4) counting as 1 game on the 31 allowed list.
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I’m wonderring if this UNF game will be a ESPN+ game? Sounds like the perfect candidate to me.
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All this talk of the power 5 not playing well with others and the NCAA going along with this speaks of collusion/anti-Trust, etc. We need to get the Justice Department Involved as the NCAA is perpetrating the exclusion of the smaller schools.

Have a maximum number of schools from one conference.

I propose that half of the NCAA bid go to power 5 and the other half go to the rest of the schools. With the power 5 going to schedules with more in conference games need to be penalized.

Lets get Trump involved!

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“The start of the season had become so compressed with the holidays and exams,” Dan Gavitt, the NCAA’s senior vice president for basketball, told NCAA.com, “that the additional three days allows schools to better schedule the start of the season and it’s the benefit for the student athletes and coaches.”

Those darn exams were getting in the way of sports! So let's start even EARLIER and lengthen the season, adding even more overlap with football, etc., etc.
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Oh boy oh boy. I can barely contain the excitement from the news that we added both North Florida and Presbyterian to the home schedule. OMG, this is exciting news....burp.
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Oh boy oh boy. I can barely contain the excitement from the news that we added both North Florida and Presbyterian to the home schedule. OMG, this is exciting news....burp.
We got top 25 Mississippi State on the Home Schedule... the Battle for Atlantis is loaded, Tulsa is a solid neutral game and Auburn will be an insane road game... We need "buy" home games, it's not that bad... The schedule will be tough enough as it is.

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Oh boy oh boy. I can barely contain the excitement from the news that we added both North Florida and Presbyterian to the home schedule. OMG, this is exciting news....burp.

LOL so we shouldn't post updates to the SCHEDULE thread about the SCHEDULE? Is there a poll on here for dumbest post of the year? This has got to be in the team photo at least.
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I’m Quite happy with our schedule at this point. Probably a Mac opponent or two and a few more buy games and that’ll do it.
So thus far:
11/7 North Florida

11/22, 11/23, 11/25, Bahamas.
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2018 Battle 4 Atlantis bracket, per multiple sources: Virginia/Middle Tennessee, Butler/Dayton, Florida/Oklahoma, Wisconsin/Stanford.

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Jon Rothstein has Butler as 9th in the Big East this year:
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Except for bookends 'nova and DePaul, that projection looks upside down from what we are accustomed to.
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That Big East prediction is very fluid by Rothstein. Butler could finish 9th or 4th. The league is that unpredictable. As for Butler, they lost their two tough guys at the 3 and 4 spots...6-7 Kelan Martin and 6-8 Tyler Wideman. Martin was truly the heart and soul of their team last season and could score in many different ways. What keeps Butler down in the standings is their defense out top. Duke transfer 6-7 Jordan Tucker is supposed to help that. Kamar Baldwin, Paul Jorgensen, and Sean McDermott all return on the arc so UD will have to guard those 3 guys. Baldwin and soph Aaron Thompson will do most of the PG duties. Down low the Moeller grad Nate Fowler returns for his senior season. Fowler can step away and make shots too. Christian David and newcomer Bryce Golden could be guys who contribute on the baselines. X had their way with Butler by beating them back in transition and making the extra pass on the wing for wide...wide open three's. We'll see if Jordan has addressed the defense. It's a game UD could win but the DAWGS always play hard..
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Note: Duke transfer Jordan Tucker will not be eligible for Butler until Dec. 15. Top 60 kid out of HS.
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Except for bookends 'nova and DePaul, that projection looks upside down from what we are accustomed to.
Agree...Butler and Creighton have been consistent performers in the BE, I am skeptical that they finish at 8 and 9.

Marquette at #2 I am also skeptical of, Wojo might even be on the hot seat. I am not really a fan of his offense, they shoot a lot of wild 3's it seems.

I am also skeptical of SJU at #3, and GU at #5.

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2018 Battle 4 Atlantis bracket, per multiple sources: Virginia/Middle Tennessee, Butler/Dayton, Florida/Oklahoma, Wisconsin/Stanford.

Great first match up
Didn’t Archie offer Nate Fowler (Butler’s Senior Center) a ‘ship when he was a Freshman at Moeller? One more reason it would be all the sweeter to beat the ‘Dogs.
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11/22 Butler (N)
11/23 Virginia/MTSU (N)
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11/30 Mississippi State.
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I took the liberty of assuming we are on the Virginia/MTSU side of the bracket based on that tweet. Win or lose game 1 we will have a good match up in game 2. This has to be one of, if not the, most stacked holiday tournament bracket I've ever seen.
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We are indeed playing Butler in the 3rd Game of the Day... 7 PM on Wed Nov 21, Game will be shown on ESPNews or ESPN3... Winner/Loser plays UVA or Middle Tennessee St.
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There's gonna be a mainland game as a part of the Battle for Atlantis

Wofford and Charleston Southern are two of the mainland teams and the others are TBA

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Butler released its schedule today and is hosting Presbyterian on December 18th. With us hosting them on December 22nd, I'd guess that Presbyterian is part of the Battle for Atlantis mainland games. (Wofford at Stanford on 11/16 then at Oklahoma on 11/18, for reference)
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Butler released its schedule today and is hosting Presbyterian on December 18th. With us hosting them on December 22nd, I'd guess that Presbyterian is part of the Battle for Atlantis mainland games. (Wofford at Stanford on 11/16 then at Oklahoma on 11/18, for reference)
The NCAA requires that all of the events games fall within a 14 day span, so unless some exemption was granted, Presbyterian is not the mainland game. They are likely just cutting down travel while collecting their checks.
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They are likely just cutting down travel while collecting their checks.
Several years ago, but not necessarily an automatic win...also won at Auburn and at Wake Forest several years ago.

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Finalized.

Coppin State
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Western Michigan
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Those were the yet-to-be announced games. As expected 13 games total.
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We did everything we could to get out of the Coppin Atlantis game. It was handed to us by the tournament. Tried to even buy the game out and simply not play it, or swap it. No dice. From what I understand there was too much cooperation needed from other Atlantis schools to make it happen and of course other schools would then want to try and do the same thing too.

Keep in mind you also need a schedule your team can be successful against. Many questions with this year's team. From my chair this schedule -- both non-con and A10 -- provides more than enough obstacles to keep the staff from being overconfident. Lets not forget ourselves. We arent a great opponent for a lot schools on their schedules either. In Atlantis alone we have the worst RPI of the field.

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We did everything we could to get out of the Coppin Atlantis game. It was handed to us by the tournament. Tried to even buy the game out and simply not play it, or swap it. No dice.
Ok, so we are forced to play Coppin State, then dump the Detroit, FW, Presbyterian, or North Florida game and set up a home and home.

We just about usually play 5 buy games, 2 good home games, and 5 away/neutral. This year we are playing 7 buy games, 1 good home game, and 5 away/neutral.
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one game against a sub 300 RPI team isn't going to make or break the season.

Atlantis, Auburn and Mississippi State are what matters.
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one game against a sub 300 RPI team isn't going to make or break the season.

Atlantis, Auburn and Mississippi State are what matters.
We were literally the last team into the tournament 4 years ago. Playing 3 guaranteed RPI 300+ teams as buy games (and setting that as a precedent with AG moving forward) will absolutely break a season. Every possible analytic is there to identify teams that will not finish in the 300+ RPI. If you're forced to play 1 of them because of an exempt tournament, fine. Finding the 150s-225s for the buy game is how analytic manipulation must be done if we want to start competing for at larges again.
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you're not wrong. I could be wrong but I think that's more of a factor with a weaker OOC schedule. This schedule has the opportunity to rack up the most high quality wins in OOC in a long time

Anything less than 2-1 in Atlantis and a split of the SEC schools and the bubble bursts on an at large bid regardless of anything on the margins. I'd rather play Georgia State than Detroit but I think this season everything comes down to 5 games (Atlantis/SEC)

1-2, 0-3 in Atlantis and at large dreams are over
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it's interesting that people get upset at a sub 250 RPI buy games but there's a distinct lack of outcry from the A10 forcing a second game with Duquesne which is been consistently an RPI sinkhole
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it's interesting that people get upset at a sub 250 RPI buy games but there's a distinct lack of outcry from the A10 forcing a second game with Duquesne which is been consistently an RPI sinkhole
The schedule could be worse....and just because a change in schedule would benefit UD, doesn't mean it would benefit anyone else. Everyone gets a seat at the table in the conference and the traditionally "better" programs have benefited over the years by having a stronger grouping.
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it's interesting that people get upset at a sub 250 RPI buy games but there's a distinct lack of outcry from the A10 forcing a second game with Duquesne which is been consistently an RPI sinkhole
They're the closest team to us, it's pretty much guaranteed we will play them twice. I think it's made slightly better by the fact that the road game is almost always a Saturday so Dayton fans can travel and fund Duquesne's team budget for half the year.
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The #9 seeds in last year's NCAA tournament had an average non-con SOS of #235. The non-con schedule is perfectly fine given our youth and inexperience. What cant happen is the A10 cannot go 90-82 in the non-con for a second year in a row. That's what derailed the train in 2017-18. Instead of being closer to .500, we need to be closer to .700.
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The #9 seeds in last year's NCAA tournament had an average non-con SOS of #235. The non-con schedule is perfectly fine given our youth and inexperience. What cant happen is the A10 cannot go 90-82 in the non-con for a second year in a row. That's what derailed the train in 2017-18. Instead of being closer to .500, we need to be closer to .700.
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The #9 seeds in last year's NCAA tournament had an average non-con SOS of #235.

Let me guess - they were all P5 schools.
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quality of buy games aside this one of the best schedules in recent memory. There's every opportunity to prove with Atlantis and the SEC Schools
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Let me guess - they were all P5 schools.
Yep. Kansas State (Big 12), Alabama (SEC), North Carolina State (ACC), and Florida State (ACC).

And the rich get richer.
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Originally Posted by Phi Psi Flyer '09 View Post
We were literally the last team into the tournament 4 years ago. Playing 3 guaranteed RPI 300+ teams as buy games (and setting that as a precedent with AG moving forward) will absolutely break a season. Every possible analytic is there to identify teams that will not finish in the 300+ RPI. If you're forced to play 1 of them because of an exempt tournament, fine. Finding the 150s-225s for the buy game is how analytic manipulation must be done if we want to start competing for at larges again.
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
quality of buy games aside this one of the best schedules in recent memory. There's every opportunity to prove with Atlantis and the SEC Schools
All the too powerful P5 and weak A10 talk aside, the Flyers always put a schedule together that gives them the opportunity to make the NCAAT field as an at large candidate. The seed may be questionable but if they win enough of the right games and don't lose too many of the wrong games, the will be selected. Many other non-P5 can't say the same thing.
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All the too powerful P5 and weak A10 talk aside, the Flyers always put a schedule together that gives them the opportunity to make the NCAAT field as an at large candidate. The seed may be questionable but if they win enough of the right games and don't lose too many of the wrong games, the will be selected. Many other non-P5 can't say the same thing.
Yes, I agree, but I think 2 more good/tough games per year is a much more forgiving way to schedule things. If we stub our toe/have a bad game/suffer a short-term freak injury in the Bahamas or vs. MSU or Auburn, then the season could be ruined because of one single bad game.

And some of these exempt tournaments occur very early in the season, last year's exempt tourney was our 2nd, 3rd, and 4th games of the season, we had barely gotten our feet wet at that point, it is not fair to put so much weight on games that occur so early in the season.

I would really like it if we would give ourselves more chances to prove ourselves, without placing so much pressure on the limited number of truly big games.

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