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Old 03-17-2019, 08:45 PM
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NIT Tournament

No. 5 Dayton plays att No. 4 seed Colorado
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Many more opponents with regional appeal. Oh well, I hope we make the most of it. 1-2 against them all time. 86, 87, 2012.
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playing at altitude and our lack of depth does not bode well for us in this matchup

We can always hope for the best
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playing at altitude and our lack of depth does not bode well for us in this matchup
and a significant road trip to play in roughly 48 hours
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Many more opponents with regional appeal. Oh well, I hope we make the most of it. 1-2 against them all time. 86, 87, 2012.
I agree, but a possible rematch with X seems possible.
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Crutcher vs. Wright
Really excited about that. I was pretty vocal about being high on Wright (or just being high?). I'm very glad we have Crutcher and excited to see them head to head.

Not that the outcome of this game says anything about one over the other, but should be fun to watch. Go Flyers!
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Unless something changes with effort and intensity, one and done.......again

Dont mean to be a downer but there’s something missing with this team
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and a significant road trip to play in roughly 48 hours
3 hour direct flight. We haven't played since approximately 930 Friday. �� I rather play in Boulder than Norwood. Toledo may take care of business and we could host next weekend.

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Kenpom Dayton 60 Colorado 65
BPI Dayton 54 Colorado 81

I bet we will be a 2 point favorite to a 3 point dog.

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After we beat Colorado going to have to beat Alabama after that...two tough games.

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Originally Posted by UD90 View Post
3 hour direct flight. We haven't played since approximately 930 Friday. �� I rather play in Boulder than Norwood. Toledo may take care of business and we could host next weekend.

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Kenpom Dayton 60 Colorado 65
BPI Dayton 54 Colorado 81

I bet we will be a 2 point favorite to a 3 point dog.
Why do you think Flyers would be favored?
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Playing at altitude will be a problem.

Seems like a winnable game.

Their 2 best wins are Arizona State and Oregon in Boulder.

Their schedule with the rpi ranking of their opponents for every game this year:

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_143_Men.html


Hard to say which Flyers team will show up.

Likely game at Alabama if we win.

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3 hour direct flight. We haven't played since approximately 930 Friday. �� I rather play in Boulder than Norwood. Toledo may take care of business and we could host next weekend.

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Kenpom Dayton 60 Colorado 65
BPI Dayton 54 Colorado 81

I bet we will be a 2 point favorite to a 3 point dog.
Toledo would have to defeat X at Cintas and #2 Texas in Austin, Texas and we would have to defeat Colorado in Boulder and then #1 Alabama at their place in order for us to get a home game with the Rockets!
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Wouldn’t it be cool if they would allow allow all players to play in non-NCAA tournament games. All teams would be able to get a good look at what they have for next year and there would be no harm done.
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Let's see if I got this:
Colorado, then Alabama, then Xavier, then Butler, then Wright State for the trophy.

I like our chances.
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Toledo would have to defeat X at Cintas and #2 Texas in Austin, Texas and we would have to defeat Colorado in Boulder and then #1 Alabama at their place in order for us to get a home game with the Rockets!
Yes, my mistake. I was skipping a round.
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Like I remember in high school, back when freshmen were not allowed to play on the varsity but they were allowed in the post season tournament. I remember back when St. X had four super frosh in about 1962. Was fun to see them get the chance to play with the big boys.

The "season" is over, why not let the red shirts play? They waited out the season.
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Why do you think Flyers would be favored?
Kenpom stats. Line is usually set off of that. We are +11.48 to their +10.42 in Adjusted efficiency margin. The line on a neutral court would be us by 1. So we will likely be 2-3 point dogs (3-4 home court).

Kenpom has not posted his prediction yet.

Colorado 68- 65 ( just posted)

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They would look at the team the Flyers could put on the floor and exclaim, "What did Dayton do?" "Did they recruit a bunch of players from the G League!" They are going to be loaded for bear next season!
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How is Obi? Will he be 100% for the game?
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Colorado, then Alabama, then Xavier, then Butler, then Wright State for the trophy.

I like our chances.
I liked our chances in the a10 too.
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Sharing a few more kenpom.com predictions

Xavier 70 Toledo 68
Clemson 70 Wright State 58
Archie 82 St. Francis PA 62
Colorado 68 Dayton 66

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Playing at altitude will be a problem.

Seems like a winnable game.

Their 2 best wins are Arizona State and Oregon in Boulder.

Their schedule with the rpi ranking of their opponents for every game this year:

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_143_Men.html


Hard to say which Flyers team will show up.

Likely game at Alabama if we win.
Strange to say, but they look far less consistent than us, with more “good” wins, but also more “bad” losses. I can see why the selection committee paired us with the Buffs, and why they’re at home and we’re not. Has the potential to be a good game.
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3 hour direct flight. We haven't played since approximately 930 Friday. �� I rather play in Boulder than Norwood. Toledo may take care of business and we could host next weekend.

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I bet we will be a 2 point favorite to a 3 point dog.
Buffs 5.5 point favorites (only line I could find so far this morning)
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Colorado was 13-2 at home and 5-8 away. Their OOC schedule was terrible, and of course the PAC was weak this year. Having said that, to play at late night, on the road, at high altitude, with a possibly hurting Obi, will not be easy.
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Having said that, to play at late night, on the road, at high altitude, with a possibly hurting Obi, will not be easy.
It's D1 NCAA basketball, in March. If you play anything game anticipating easy, things like Friday happen and you get humiliated. No excuses. Buck up, or we're back to "wait until next year" again.
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So we could have a series of interesting matches...

Colorado game holds some interest with Wright vs Crutcher.
Alabama - AG vs his old employer.
Xavier - old rivals.
Butler - show the Big East we belong.
Indiana (Archie) or Wright State.

That would be a nice road to an NIT win.
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So we could have a series of interesting matches...

Colorado game holds some interest with Wright vs Crutcher.
Alabama - AG vs his old employer.
Xavier - old rivals.
Butler - show the Big East we belong.
Indiana (Archie) or Wright State.

That would be a nice road to an NIT win.
True, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. That happened last Friday, and we all saw how well that worked.

First things first: let’s win at Colorado tomorrow night.
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Lots of potential matchups of interest there:
-Maybe Xavier, our long-time nemesis.
-Maybe Alabama, AG’s former employer.
-Maybe Texas, coached by AG’s successor at VCU and former Dayton assistant Shaka Smart. And, of course,
-Our opening round matchup against former Dayton recruit McKinley Wright.

And the only one that matters today is the last one. Lose to Colorado, and the rest of it is more “coulda, woulda, shoulda”. So, the objective is clear...

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Dont mean to be a downer but there’s something missing with this team
2 things - a bench that can contribute and a consistent outside shooter
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Buffs 5.5 point favorites (only line I could find so far this morning)
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Buffs -3.5 below.

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3 hour direct flight. We haven't played since approximately 930 Friday. �� I rather play in Boulder than Norwood. Toledo may take care of business and we could host next weekend.

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Kenpom Dayton 60 Colorado 65
BPI Dayton 54 Colorado 81

I bet we will be a 2 point favorite to a 3 point dog.
Forget the favorite part. At least a 3-4 point dog..
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Now Buffs -5.
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I liked our chances in the a10 too.
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We will not make the NIT or NCAAT this year.

We will not make the NCAAT next year.

We are not on schedule.

We are not ahead of schedule.

We are definitely behind schedule.

It might be another 8 or 9 years before we win another NCAAT game.
Hey UD2, not to flame you, because I think you’re an intelligent poster. But I’m curious if you now think we’re on schedule (or ahead) with AG, given the NIT bid you predicted we wouldnt get? You certainly can’t say we’re behind schedule since the Flyers accomplished something you said they couldn’t.

For what it’s worth, and to put my cards on the table, I think we’re on or slightly ahead of schedule but acknowledge that some of AG’s coaching is such that the jury’s still out.
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Hey UD2, not to flame you, because I think you’re an intelligent poster. But I’m curious if you now think we’re on schedule (or ahead) with AG, given the NIT bid you predicted we wouldnt get? You certainly can’t say we’re behind schedule since the Flyers accomplished something you said they couldn’t.

For what it’s worth, and to put my cards on the table, I think we’re on or slightly ahead of schedule but acknowledge that some of AG’s coaching is such that the jury’s still out.
It’s amazing how things we predict come back to bite us in the backside.
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Forget the favorite part. At least a 3-4 point dog..
Potential money to be made - Pomeroy prediction 68-66 - Colorado is second in Pomeroy's Homecourt advantage at 4.5 That is where the range I quoted came from. 2 point favorite to 3 point dog. Neutral Court Dayton would be favored by 2. -4.5 for home court and you have 68-66.

Opening line was -2.5. Money has since moved the line. I expect it will settle in around -3.5. ESPN is picking the Flyers at +4.

If our perimeter shooting rims out like it did early several times against SLU we are in trouble.
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Like I remember in high school, back when freshmen were not allowed to play on the varsity but they were allowed in the post season tournament. I remember back when St. X had four super frosh in about 1962. Was fun to see them get the chance to play with the big boys.

The "season" is over, why not let the red shirts play? They waited out the season.
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Potential money to be made - Pomeroy prediction 68-66 - Colorado is second in Pomeroy's Homecourt advantage at 4.5 That is where the range I quoted came from. 2 point favorite to 3 point dog. Neutral Court Dayton would be favored by 2. -4.5 for home court and you have 68-66.

Opening line was -2.5. Money has since moved the line. I expect it will settle in around -3.5. ESPN is picking the Flyers at +4.

If our perimeter shooting rims out like it did early several times against SLU we are in trouble.
Going into SLU game I thought our 3 pt shooting would be critical for a win (plus rebounding). I’m inclined to say the same for this game. I haven’t done a lot of research, but they have a 7’ + 6’11” + two 6’10” young players. I don’t think they are as physical as SLU and I think we are more athletic if we’re healthy. I’m hoping 20 year olds can handle the travel/altitude. Should be a good game.

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Playing at altitude will be a problem.

Maybe not a problem. Obi likes to play at ALTITUDE this should be just his type of game.
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Wright State and Clemson tied at the half.
St Francis up by six over the Hoosiers at the half. (!)
Davidson up five over Lipscomb at the half.

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I fully expect Indiana to pull out a win in the second half, but still!
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Watching Wright State for the first time this year. They look good. Good ball movement.
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Wright State loses late; Lipscomb takes down Davidson. Archie’s Hoosiers run over St. Francis in the second half.
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Is Patrick Ewing just channeling his inner John Thompson, or did he eat John Thompson?
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#8 seed Norfolk St. defeated #1 seed Alabama in overtime tonight 80-79! We would have had a home game had we beat Colorado!
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#8 seed Norfolk St. defeated #1 seed Alabama in overtime tonight 80-79! We would have had a home game had we beat Colorado!
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