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Obi played good D early in 2H. He blocked a shot attempt at the rim:
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and then forced a 24 second clock violation. He then hit a super tough fall away J as the shot clock expired:
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The Nets have come back so Obi threw down the hammer:
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He then finished at the rim:
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and followed that up with a spectacular block. The NYK then decide to miss FG and FT, including Obi who splits a pair.
42 minutes, 19 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal and 3 blocks.
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Watched the painful 4th quarter. The Knicks blow leads because they stop playing as a team. Everything was one on one with missed shots and turnovers.
This has happened too many times this year.
This is not the style of play that Obi thrives in.
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Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan
Watched the painful 4th quarter. The Knicks blow leads because they stop playing as a team. Everything was one on one with missed shots and turnovers.
This has happened too many times this year.
This is not the style of play that Obi thrives in.
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At the half Stephen A. Smith summed up what would happen in the second half. Scroll to the 3:18 mark of this video:
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Is Obi finishing his second year of a 3 year contract? What might be his best exit from this Thibs mess?
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Is Obi finishing his second year of a 3 year contract? What might be his best exit from this Thibs mess?
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He has a 4 year contract.
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He has a 4 year contract.
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I did garner this quote from the telecast team:
There's a delayed foul call. That was an "I won't call the foul if you make the bucket" call.
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My thoughts exactly.
At this point...trade. He’s ready for a breakout year. Please trade him if you won’t get rid of Thibs.
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Obi having his best game of the season tonight. He has 18 points as the Knicks lead the Wizards 59-50 at the half. Besides an assist and two steals he has made 7-11 from the field with 3 of 4 on three pointers and 1 free throw. Quickley has given him two or three assists!
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Hey Y'all. Debbie Downer NYScott here. How does Obi play 24 of the first 30 minutes and not have a single rebound?
*I have not seen the game, just quick look at the box score. Do love the point a minute he is scoring while shooting 65%.
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Swampy- thanks again for doing this. Made my night seeing them.
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Swampy- thanks again for doing this. Made my night seeing them.
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You/re welcome. Obi had quite the night until he got hit in the groinal area.
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Obi goes back in the game at the 6:06 mark of the 4th quarter and makes a layup at the 2:52 mark which gives him a new career high of 30pts!
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Just left the game with 35 pts 😀😀😀
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Yes, I couldn't even keep up Obi made another three pointer and a two point layup for a career high of 35pts. Congrats to Obi! That should spur the Knicks brass to take some action. Either trade Obi or make him a starter!
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The Knicks and Wizards are both 35-45 for the year. Not a playoff team, but Obi & the guys dishing him the ball sure made it look easy tonight. I noticed two slight difference in Obi’s role. In the past Thibs had him standing in a corner and Obi spent a lot of the time watching his teammates try to do something offensively like he knew he was the last offensive option (he was). That’s what the coach had dictated. Tonight he seemed more engaged when he was out on the three point line, like he was asking for and/or expecting the ball. And when he got it, he delivered. He also seems to have found a better spot - about 3-4’ north of the far corner along the 3-pt line. He seems to shoot it better from that spot.
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Obi on whether it hurt when he got hit in the nether region and if the guy apologized:
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Obi Toppin becomes seventh former Flyer to score 30 or more points in NBA game
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8 minutes in, and Obi is already in double figures (12 pts).
His teammates are actually looking for him now, which is good to see. Quickley assisted on 3 of Obi’s baskets.
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Knicks’ Leon Rose breaks silence on Julius Randle, Tom Thibodeau’s struggles
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“Knicks president Leon Rose, in his first comments since September, gave a vote of confidence to embattled coach Tom Thibodeau and embattled power forward Julius Randle before Sunday’s season finale versus the Raptors.”
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Obi has 29 points and is one rebound short of a double double with about 11:00 minutes remaining in the fourth quarter!
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Reading the tweets under the highlights makes for great theater. One Knicks fan, given Obi’s performance of late, said keeping him on the bench most of the year was a “felony.” Good stuff.
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42 points and 10 boards for Obadiah. See you in October Obi!
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I'm not sure if it's already public or not but I think Obi should skip summer league this year and just focus on his game in individual workouts. I hope he takes 1,000 3's per day, lifts, and does yoga.
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I think that the secret to playing Obi and being successful is to get the Knicks to share and move the ball rather than playing a steady diet of "1 on 1 power ball". Obi is a force multiplier when he is on a team that moves the ball and is dynamic on offense. He is not going to be anything special just sitting in the corner to be a 3pt threat while other guys go "1 on 1". It all comes down to team style, IMO.
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I think last week it was Jablonski that tweeted Obi was the 7th UD Player that scored 30+ points in an NBA game. I wonder how many have scored 40+.
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I think last week it was Jablonski that tweeted Obi was the 7th UD Player that scored 30+ points in an NBA game. I wonder how many have scored 40+.
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Toppin drove Quickley to the game and claimed they both predicted great things.
“We was coming to the game, and he was sitting in the car saying, ‘I’m about to go crazy,’ ” Quickley said. “And I said, ‘I’m going to go crazy, too.’ So we both went crazy.’’
Starting for Julius Randle across the final five games, Toppin finished out the season scoring 20, 20, 19, 35 and 42. Randle shut it down after the Knicks were bounced from contention.
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Hopefully said Trade would be with Randle - and Obi has proven to the front office - he should stay and Randle can go.
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Its the end of the season, they are out of the playoffs and there are a number of dudes banged up. The Knicks are doing exactly what they should be doing (and should have been doing more off quit some time ago) and playing a bunch of Obi and Quickly not to mention Barrett who got hurt last game and was out for the final game.
IMHO, everyone should adopt the Pops plan, great passing to set up the good pass. Obi can thrive in that type of offense. Unfortunetly every team (Spurs included) need a player or two that you can just get the ball in their hands and let them create offense with the shot clock winding down. With the 24 second clock, teams only have time to run 1, maybe 2 sets before they have to force the action. Randle, for the first time in his career was solid at that last season (until the playoffs) and the Knicks mistakenly rewarded him with a long term extension. He has reverted back to form, a highly inefficient player that forces things too much even early in the shot clock.
The best thing that ever happened to Jordan was Phil Jackson getting him to realize that by sharing the ball and kicking out passes for good shots for his teammates was the best thing. The best thing for Phil was that when plan A & B didn't work, he still had MJ to create offense with the clock expiring.
The Knicks and Thibs didn't have either this season. Since it appears that Thibs is headed no where, hopefully he realized the ball movement the Obi and Quickly offense had lead to a much more efficient offense. Even if a lot of the teams weren't playing for much either, hopefully they showed off that they deserve a bigger role next season.
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Something has to give. With the money Randle is making, he isn't going to be coming off the bench. So either the Knicks find a home for him where they don't have to eat too many assets to dump the salary, or Obi will be packing up for a team that is hopefully decent. I'm hopeful for the former, because there'd be nothing cooler than Obi being spotlighted in his home town on one of the biggest stages in the NBA.
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Something has to give. With the money Randle is making, he isn't going to be coming off the bench. So either the Knicks find a home for him where they don't have to eat too many assets to dump the salary, or Obi will be packing up for a team that is hopefully decent. I'm hopeful for the former, because there'd be nothing cooler than Obi being spotlighted in his home town on one of the biggest stages in the NBA.
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I will start by saying I hope for all the best for Obi and I know he has the talent and work ethic to make it happen. That said, a lot of teams are playing their young guys at the end of the season so it is not really an apples to apples comparison. I remember when Chris Wright got an opportunity at the end of the season (he was a call up not a lottery pick), I think he scored 32 in the last game of the season and I believe that was the last time he ever played in the NBA.
I watched the game against the Nets last week. There was a concerted effort to keep Obi away from Durant on defense. No shame there, lots of all stars can’t guard KD but Hubie Brown kept talking about the lack of rebounding for a 6’10” guy. I don’t love Hubie but he certainly knows basketball and I would suggest in addition to shooting 3s this summer he’s gonna want to get a lot stronger and learn to get in there and mix it up. I realize he will get fewer runouts but I heard the description “cherry picker” used on that telecast and after the initial rush of anger in defense of our guy, I’m not really sure it was completely wrong.
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I will start by saying I hope for all the best for Obi and I know he has the talent and work ethic to make it happen. That said, a lot of teams are playing their young guys at the end of the season so it is not really an apples to apples comparison. I remember when Chris Wright got an opportunity at the end of the season (he was a call up not a lottery pick), I think he scored 32 in the last game of the season and I believe that was the last time he ever played in the NBA.
I watched the game against the Nets last week. There was a concerted effort to keep Obi away from Durant on defense. No shame there, lots of all stars can’t guard KD but Hubie Brown kept talking about the lack of rebounding for a 6’10” guy. I don’t love Hubie but he certainly knows basketball and I would suggest in addition to shooting 3s this summer he’s gonna want to get a lot stronger and learn to get in there and mix it up. I realize he will get fewer runouts but I heard the description “cherry picker” used on that telecast and after the initial rush of anger in defense of our guy, I’m not really sure it was completely wrong.
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I watched all but maybe 5 or 6 Knicks games this season. Obi is not cherry picking - what he is doing is if he is on the opposite side of where the ball is - he is releasing the instance it looks like the Knicks are getting possession. He is just so much faster then most of the players it looks like he was cherry picking.
Watch the videos you will see Obi does hustle back on defense and does not release until possession looks to be secured.
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I will start by saying I hope for all the best for Obi and I know he has the talent and work ethic to make it happen. That said, a lot of teams are playing their young guys at the end of the season so it is not really an apples to apples comparison. I remember when Chris Wright got an opportunity at the end of the season (he was a call up not a lottery pick), I think he scored 32 in the last game of the season and I believe that was the last time he ever played in the NBA.
I watched the game against the Nets last week. There was a concerted effort to keep Obi away from Durant on defense. No shame there, lots of all stars can’t guard KD but Hubie Brown kept talking about the lack of rebounding for a 6’10” guy. I don’t love Hubie but he certainly knows basketball and I would suggest in addition to shooting 3s this summer he’s gonna want to get a lot stronger and learn to get in there and mix it up. I realize he will get fewer runouts but I heard the description “cherry picker” used on that telecast and after the initial rush of anger in defense of our guy, I’m not really sure it was completely wrong.
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Just checked Wright's game logs. 25pts in his last game of 2011-12 with the Warriors, then didn't play the next season. Came back for 8 games with the Bucks in 2013-14.
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It’s the Post so take it for what it’s worth, but as discussed the Toppin-Randle debate is going to be red hot this offseason:
“The Knicks will be “very flexible” regarding Randle. His status ranks as the Knicks’ biggest offseason question — along with Rose’s ability to land a legitimate starting point guard in either a trade, draft or free agency.
Obi Toppin’s late emergence as a scorer, 3-point shooter and energizer has opened the eyes of coach Tom Thibodeau, who went as far as comparing him to his all-time favorite player Taj Gibson in regards to the intangibles and the bounce he brings to his teammates.
Trading Randle, if they can get equal value, would open up the starting spot for Toppin next season and perhaps create stronger team morale.
Those things matter to Thibodeau.”
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Just checked Wright's game logs. 25pts in his last game of 2011-12 with the Warriors, then didn't play the next season. Came back for 8 games with the Bucks in 2013-14.
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Mark Jackson, the soon-to-be-fired head coach of the Warriors gave Chris that opportunity in the last game of the season, Guess he figured WTF, why not?
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Originally Posted by podcast411
I watched all but maybe 5 or 6 Knicks games this season. Obi is not cherry picking - what he is doing is if he is on the opposite side of where the ball is - he is releasing the instance it looks like the Knicks are getting possession. He is just so much faster then most of the players it looks like he was cherry picking.
Watch the videos you will see Obi does hustle back on defense and does not release until possession looks to be secured.
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In college, Obi was the fastest guy down the floor. He goes from a stand-still to a full sprint faster than any player I can recall. Then, once he gets going nobody is catching him. I was not sure if that would be the same case in the NBA, but I think it is. I don't think I can ever recall Obi being caught from behind on a break.
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Obi also has fabulous hands and finishing ability to add to his speed aspect. Its not that he gets down the floor quicker, its that as long as the outlet is reasonable, he secures it quickly and even when in what would be an awkward position for most players, he is able to finish. Like the highlight the other day, the outlet brought him directly under the basket; rather than having to gather himself and give the defense a chance to contest the shot, he goes straight up and finishes the shot backwards.
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I've watched every game this year thanks to NBA Pass and ESPN, etc.
Obi wasn't given a fair shake (again). He's got lightening speed and I think the Knicks players are beginning to see what he can really do. As far as the 35 and 42 point games...had Burks and a few others actually made passes to Obi in the open court that were catchable, Obi would have have 45 and 52 points - that's how bad some of the passes and looks were. Yes, the competition at the end of the season isn't maybe the same as the rest of the season; still, 35 and 42 points speaks for itself.
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Originally Posted by Medford
Obi also has fabulous hands and finishing ability to add to his speed aspect. Its not that he gets down the floor quicker, its that as long as the outlet is reasonable, he secures it quickly and even when in what would be an awkward position for most players, he is able to finish. Like the highlight the other day, the outlet brought him directly under the basket; rather than having to gather himself and give the defense a chance to contest the shot, he goes straight up and finishes the shot backwards.
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I liken his abilities to be like that of Cris Carter and Randy Moss. Moss was super fast and both had great hands and could control their body and hands despite how fast they were moving or tight space on the sidelines could still get their feet down.
Obi is 100% as spectacular as both those 2 with his catch and control.
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I've mentioned it on this thread (or perhaps another thread) how it reminds me of the coach's speech to his new team in "Winning Time"; Obi creates a fast break opportunity when the other team doesn't even realize there is one available.
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Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer
I liken his abilities to be like that of Cris Carter and Randy Moss. Moss was super fast and both had great hands and could control their body and hands despite how fast they were moving or tight space on the sidelines could still get their feet down.
Obi is 100% as spectacular as both those 2 with his catch and control.
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Nobody will get any argument from me about how amazing he is, I would just like to see him get some more rebounds .
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Nobody will get any argument from me about how amazing he is, I would just like to see him get some more rebounds.
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Agree - but what makes him special offensively is that he was a guard until the end of HS - and then blossomed into a PF. So he has guard skills in a PF body. The rebounding will come - and I am sure that and 3 pt shooting will be on the top of his list to work on this summer.
I have no doubt that if Obi puts his mind to rebounding he could easily be a 25/15 guy night in and night out in the NBA.
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Originally Posted by podcast411
Agree - but what makes him special offensively is that he was a guard until the end of HS - and then blossomed into a PF. So he has guard skills in a PF body. The rebounding will come - and I am sure that and 3 pt shooting will be on the top of his list to work on this summer.
I have no doubt that if Obi puts his mind to rebounding he could easily be a 25/15 guy night in and night out in the NBA.
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25/15? So he'd easily go from less rebounds than average for his position to leading the NBA in rebounds?
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Question: if Obi was just playing against backups (he largely was) and scored all those points, doesn't it still imply he's better than a second team / bench player. It not like he was going for 8 & 2 against the backups.
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Question: if Obi was just playing against backups (he largely was) and scored all those points, doesn't it still imply he's better than a second team / bench player. It not like he was going for 8 & 2 against the backups.
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I don't think volume says a whole lot. It's his efficiency, which was great all season (minus a February slump). Recently, the big thing is that he has been showing that he can hit the 3pt shot. He's clearly always been doing it in practice - otherwise why has he kept shooting it? But it took a long time for it to show up consistently in games. I think he just needed more in-game reps to get there. I blame Thibs for it. He should've been getting 20-25 minutes per game all season. He should be getting 30-35 next season.
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By his own words, Obi is always looking to leak out when he perceives the defensive board is assured. The players that lead in rebounding often don't care which glass their wiping. They just want that board more than the other 9 guys on the floor.
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Originally Posted by FlyingArrow
I don't think volume says a whole lot. It's his efficiency, which was great all season (minus a February slump). Recently, the big thing is that he has been showing that he can hit the 3pt shot. He's clearly always been doing it in practice - otherwise why has he kept shooting it? But it took a long time for it to show up consistently in games. I think he just needed more in-game reps to get there. I blame Thibs for it. He should've been getting 20-25 minutes per game all season. He should be getting 30-35 next season.
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Obi seems like a flow player, and most are. It's hard to get into a flow in 3 minute stretches. It's no wonder he's shooting 29% from 3, he can't even break into a sweat before he's expected to square up his first long range shot.
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Well that is easy enough to fix. Spend the offseason with me eating Ho-Hos and Ding Dongs, watching old reruns of the 3 stooges and he'll work up a lather just stepping out on the court.
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In my opinion it's Obi's job requirement to leak out and if he's not leaking out he should be benched. Nobody his size can sprint the floor, has his soft hands, and can finish like he can. Others on the team can do the rebounding. His skill set is a 1 of 1 enterprise in the transition basketball department. When there's free money on the table, pick it up.
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Unfortunately, that's not Thibs game plan. And why Obi is a square peg in a round hole. One of the two needs a new team or a new coach that appreciates his skill set.
Obi's last two sensational offensive games has put a lot of pressure on Thibs. Made him look like a dufus.
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I think there is a Jacob Toppin thread in the archives...but I’m going to post this here. First Jacob isn’t going to get drafted this year. But more importantly it will be interesting to see what teams bring him in. I would speculate it’s teams that are interested in the “Toppin” skill sets and might want to trade for Obi if the opportunity arose.
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I respect Coach Cal's opinion on talents. And everyone should set lofty goals as Jacob has.
That said I think if he approaches Kostas' level of contribution in the NBA it would absolutely be his ceiling. Jacob and Obi are alike in last name only.
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Great piece by Jablo in the DDN about the improvements Obi made in his 2nd NBA season:
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Don't you realize Flyers98, everyone in college is going between their legs in a live game breakaway for a dunk; it really was nothing special. I swear, I've even seen it in an NBA game a couple of times.
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Speaking of the G-League, next season Jalen Crutcher will need a NBA thread for us to follow as I guarantee he will be on someone’s active roster. Dude killed it in the G this past season:
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Originally Posted by Ready Action
Speaking of the G-League, next season Jalen Crutcher will need a NBA thread for us to follow as I guarantee he will be on someone’s active roster. Dude killed it in the G this past season:
https://swarmandsting.com/2022/03/25...-crutcher/amp/
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From the link:
"Crutcher is one of those rare undrafted gems that the Hornets should be excited to use going forward. His passing ability and absolutely lethal shooting remind me of Damian Lillard and Chris Paul, and if he can become as good as either of those two, then the Hornets will have uncovered a diamond."
If he can just be as good as one of those two...
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From the link:
"Crutcher is one of those rare undrafted gems that the Hornets should be excited to use going forward. His passing ability and absolutely lethal shooting remind me of Damian Lillard and Chris Paul, and if he can become as good as either of those two, then the Hornets will have uncovered a diamond."
If he can just be as good as one of those two...
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The same sentence jumped out at me lol. If ANY guard in the NBA could just be as good as Damien Lilard or Chris Paul...
That writing criticism aside, kudos for Crutcher! Imagine if he and Obi ended up on the same team later in their respective careers... a guy can dream.
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I wonder if Obi years from now will unload on the Knicks like Boogie Cousins unloaded on the Kings
Loooooong article https://andscape.com/features/demarc...t-left-to-say/
If you could go back and change anything, what would you change that might have changed how you’re perceived now? Is there anything where you’re like, “Man, I should’ve just …”
I would’ve skipped my draft workout [in Sacramento].
Why is that?
"What did Sac do for me? Besides say my name [draft day]. I did more for them than they did for me. That’s just being honest. Just being 100% honest. I had two owners, three GMs, seven coaches in seven years. I was there seven years. I had three GMs, two owners and seven coaches. Not much more needs to be said."
I like George Karl's reply...“Paid you approx $50M and gave you the opportunity to play professional basketball for a living,”
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Hornets fire coach.
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sp...260663752.html
Hopefully the new coach will be impressed with Crutcher's past G-League season and give him a shot on the Hornets' active roster next season.
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Flyer fans will love this article. If you factor in an entire season, Obi probably gets a B. If you weight two important facts (1. He was fantastic at the end when he was starting and 2. Not having to look over this shoulder worried about being pulled because Randle wasn’t coming in) then yeah...he earns an A.
We all knew if he could just be allowed to play, he would produce.
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Flyer fans will love this article. If you factor in an entire season, Obi probably gets a B. If you weight two important facts (1. He was fantastic at the end when he was starting and 2. Not having to look over this shoulder worried about being pulled because Randle wasn’t coming in) then yeah...he earns an A.
We all knew if he could just be allowed to play, he would produce.
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Kind of surprised that the author gave Thibs a C-, given his mishandling of Randle and his (according to many on this board) predictable mishandling of Obi. He probably blamed Rose more, due to the construction of the roster.
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Kind of surprised that the author gave Thibs a C-, given his mishandling of Randle and his (according to many on this board) predictable mishandling of Obi. He probably blamed Rose more, due to the construction of the roster.
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Nice article and comments on Obi. Except for Toppin, I could care less about professional basketball. But as a #1 draft pick, doesn't $5.3 million sound underpaid. But I guess if he continues next year from where he left off this year, money will flow in.
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Obi will be in the 3 rd year of a 4 year 22 million plus contract ,
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But as a #1 draft pick, doesn't $5.3 million sound underpaid.
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NBA draft choices have their salaries slotted based on their draft position and the total amount of the salary cap for that year.
This article explains it:
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The Knicks did Obi no favors with their lottery pick(s) last night - they squandered the 1th & 13th picks to open up cap space to sign the Mav's free agent guard Jalen Brunson. Great plan, except Mark Cuban has already said he will do whatever it takes to keep Brunson.
We'll see how this works out.
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We'll see how this SHAKES out.
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Can they retroactively include Obi in that trade to the Pistons? They need a 4 and i'd much rather pull for them than the dumpster fire that is the Knicks
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Can they retroactively include Obi in that trade to the Pistons? They need a 4 and i'd much rather pull for them than the dumpster fire that is the Knicks
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Huh? The Knicks are not very good, but Detroit finished 14 games behind them.
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Huh? The Knicks are not very good, but Detroit finished 14 games behind them.
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Last year. Detroit added Jaden Ivey and Jalen Duren, and isn't determined to have ball stopper Julius Randle playing the 4 and running the offense through him. Detroit has Cade Cunningham as well. Knicks might even be better than them this year, but 2023 and beyond, i'm much more optimistic about Detroit than I am the Knicks.
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The Knicks did Obi no favors with their lottery pick(s) last night - they squandered the 1th & 13th picks to open up cap space to sign the Mav's free agent guard Jalen Brunson. Great plan, except Mark Cuban has already said he will do whatever it takes to keep Brunson.
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Hate to break it to you but I don't think the Knicks are "building around" Obi, however getting an elite PG would not be a bad thing for Obi since he isn't great at getting his own shot, but is great at finishing at the rim. Immanuel Quickly is a good basketball player but apparently the Knicks don't think he is the answer. D Rose has the knees of an 89 year old.
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All signs point to the Knicks making a heavy run at Jalen Brunson to play PG. Don't know a ton about him, but based upon the handful of clips that I've seen I think he would make a really good pick and roll partner with Obi. He can get into the lane and either finish or dish and we all know all you have to do is get it up near the rim and Obi will throw it down.
However, that won't matter much if Randle is still commanding 35+ minutes a game eating up the flow of the offense. Actually, it feels like Randle would be a pretty bad fit to compliment Brunson's game. At the end of the day, money might talk, but from a pure basketball perspective, I'd rather pair up with Luka than Julius Randle if I were Brunson. If the Knicks can move Randle, then all of a sudden a pairing with RJ Barrett would allow Brunson to be the star of the show and know that he has someone like Obi to help build up those assist numbers off of lobs in the paint while RJ can help limit the amount of focus the defense could put on Brunson.
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I think anyone is a bad fit with Randle. He is just not a team player, IMO. He is good at racking up stats by dominating the ball and putting his head down. He is an offensive ball movement killer. I feel like he also has a bad attitude that is infectious.
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Don't underestimate the chemistry that has developed between Brunson and the core Mavs and Luka. In the end the max 5 year contract plus the later will prevail.
As far as Obi, I think as long as Thibs is there, Obi will be an underpaid on-contract sub.
Obi is simply a cheap locked in sub right now. He just going to have to wait it out unfortunately.
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Obi was a lottery pick and makes $5.5M per year. Man, if that is underpaid or cheap sign me up! Agree that as long as Tibbs/Randle are there Obi will be limited.
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Originally Posted by Flyers98
Hate to break it to you but I don't think the Knicks are "building around" Obi, however getting an elite PG would not be a bad thing for Obi since he isn't great at getting his own shot, but is great at finishing at the rim. Immanuel Quickly is a good basketball player but apparently the Knicks don't think he is the answer. D Rose has the knees of an 89 year old.
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I don't recall claiming the Knicks are "building around" Obi (your quotes) - just pointing out the Knicks might come up empty with their plan to get Brunson.
Obi needs a point guard that can distribute the ball. The Knicks need a point guard that can distribute the ball. We'll see if that happens.
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Originally Posted by Glen Clark
I don't recall claiming the Knicks are "building around" Obi (your quotes) - just pointing out the Knicks might come up empty with their plan to get Brunson.
Obi needs a point guard that can distribute the ball. The Knicks need a point guard that can distribute the ball. We'll see if that happens.
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The quotes weren't meant to claim you used those words, but rather to denote the use of a term of art. I agreed 100% with your assessment that an elite PG would benefit Obi and I said so, it was the "Knicks did Obi no favors" part I was reacting to. He can't even get on the court despite his production when he does, so I was just saying I doubted the he was a focus of their draft strategy.
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Originally Posted by Flyers98
Obi was a lottery pick and makes $5.5M per year. Man, if that is underpaid or cheap sign me up! Agree that as long as Tibbs/Randle are there Obi will be limited.
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If you make $40K per year and you're worth $5.04M per year, doesn't feel very good. If you make $1M per year and you're worth $6M per year, doesn't feel good. It takes a lot of zero's to make $5M turn into rounding error. So let's not sign you up just yet. The question is what he's worth, not what he's paid. If he's underpaid by $5M per year, then no, don't sign me up for that. Sign me up with the Suns where I can make what I'm worth.
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Originally Posted by Gazoo
If you make $40K per year and you're worth $5.04M per year, doesn't feel very good. If you make $1M per year and you're worth $6M per year, doesn't feel good. It takes a lot of zero's to make $5M turn into rounding error. So let's not sign you up just yet. The question is what he's worth, not what he's paid. If he's underpaid by $5M per year, then no, don't sign me up for that. Sign me up with the Suns where I can make what I'm worth.
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In two professional years Obi is averaging 14 mins per game, 7 points, 3 rebounds on 52% shooting (30% from 3). I think based on those stats he's probably doing OK at $5M.
You and I certainly agree that he deserves more minutes and we strongly suspect that with those minutes his stats would follow but I am not an NBA GM.
All of that is interesting to discuss but the fact of the matter is that the NBA has collectively bargained a salary schedule for 1st round draft picks so he is paid what he is paid, not over not under. Year 4 will be the year he finds out what other people think he is worth on the market (although I think the Knicks get an option to match a qualifying offer but not sure on that, it has been a while since I looked at the rookie wage scale).
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Originally Posted by Flyers98
In two professional years Obi is averaging 14 mins per game, 7 points, 3 rebounds on 52% shooting (30% from 3). I think based on those stats he's probably doing OK at $5M.
You and I certainly agree that he deserves more minutes and we strongly suspect that with those minutes his stats would follow but I am not an NBA GM.
All of that is interesting to discuss but the fact of the matter is that the NBA has collectively bargained a salary schedule for 1st round draft picks so he is paid what he is paid, not over not under. Year 4 will be the year he finds out what other people think he is worth on the market (although I think the Knicks get an option to match a qualifying offer but not sure on that, it has been a while since I looked at the rookie wage scale).
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Don't sign me up for the salary, or the minutes, he's getting. Sign me up for the money and minutes he deserves.
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Originally Posted by Gazoo
Don't sign me up for the salary, or the minutes, he's getting. Sign me up for the money and minutes he deserves.
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But what is "what he deserves" based on, other than the fact that you (and I) love Obi Toppin? He has not gotten an opportunity to show what he deserves. His stats shot way up in the last 7-10 games of the season but those were basically meaningless games against late season call ups. I am not saying he deserves $5 million or $40 million (well not $40M because that is what Durant makes and he made Obi look like a broken fence gate the last time they played Brooklyn).
I am just saying that until he gets a new coach or a new team we won't know what he deserves. Everybody wants and deserves to paid what they are worth, but in the interim while there is a pay structure in place, I could make do on $5M per year, especially knowing that I am not putting a bunch of miles on and getting beat up every other night.
It will happen, I mean somebody paid Mike Connolly like $120M over the course of 5 years.
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After hiring his Dad as an assistant, then clearing a bunch of cap space, the Knicks announced the signing of Jalen Brunson to a 4 year, $110 mil deal at the start of free agency. On the surface this looks like someone that can help open up Obi's game. However, with Randle still on the roster, who knows how much Thibs is going to allow them to play together.
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I can't see the addition of Brunson as anything but great news for Obi. Brunson is a totally unselfish player with the ability to engage his teammates.
So maybe Obi becomes the first player off the bench. If he is destined to be in Thibs hell for two more seasons, might as well be with a good pg.
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