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[Hyde Park Flyer]

I had a close friend who dated a girl who went to GW. It was a chore to spend time with her.
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[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by frisco flyer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dayton...27s_basketball The first collegiate basketball team began play at Dayton, then known as St. Mary's Institute, during the 1903–04 season. The school's early teams were informally nicknamed "The Saints"... In 1920 the school changed its name to the University of Dayton and its sports teams gradually became known as the Flyers...

I'm sure somewhere out there is someone who thinks Gustave Whitehead was the first to fly that will try to get UD to drop the Flyers nickname...

Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer But it's the same free thinkers (i'd call them non-thinkers) doing this that also will name their kid Sodapop instead of Bill, Bob, Ted, or Fred because those names are too offensive as they've read about some bad dudes with those names.

Sodapop Curtis was a greaser though so they may not like that name either...

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by NJFlyr71 Although I tend to agree all these issues with names of mascots can be silly at times, before it happens here (@ Dayton) we get on board to push for our own name change. I vote for "The One's" as our new moniker. You know. Like the sign says: WE'RE "THE ONE'S"!

.."Our parents warned us about."...?

[maddog07]

How about “Redskins” ? The local football team isn’t using it any more and they could likely get a lot of material for free!

Or “Trumps “. Defined as to beat (someone or something) by saying or doing something better. Distinctive. Could probably use the same costume, just rework the hair a little!
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[moville]

I think one of our most famous alums, Father Guido Sarducci, Class of '64, had it right when he was asked about what nickname he'd choose for UD. He said the name should be changed from the Flyers to the Suns . . . "wenna the team runs outta on the court, the band plays the Beatles: Here Comes the Suns."

[TA111]

Just announced that Bob Mckillop is retiring as Davidson’s HC.

[Medford]

With a Finals MVP in his back pocket, Steph has decided to step down and take on the coaching get at Davidson. He recent received his diploma fulfilling the strict graduate degree requirement for all Davidson coaches


Seriously, how enjoyable was it to watch Steph do his thing last night?


I hope Bob Mckillop is in good health. Seems like an odd time to step away.

[lhsgolf19]

His son Matt, who has been a long time assistant, is taking over.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by Medford With a Finals MVP in his back pocket, Steph has decided to step down and take on the coaching get at Davidson. He recent received his diploma fulfilling the strict graduate degree requirement for all Davidson coaches Seriously, how enjoyable was it to watch Steph do his thing last night? I hope Bob Mckillop is in good health. Seems like an odd time to step away.

He is 71, probably not odd as his son has been waiting and waiting.

[Medford]

retirement isn't odd, but you would have thought it would have happened shortly after the season concluded, which is why I hoped for his good health, I hope he's not stepping down because of a health concern. He always appeared to be super classy.

[OSU Flyer]

pretty amazing stat

@A10Stats
Bob McKillop only spent 8 of his 33 years at @DavidsonMBB in the
@A10MBB, but he still amassed the 13th most wins for a coach in the #A10MBB ever.

Congrats on a great career Coach and enjoy your retirement.

[Hyde Park Flyer]

I hope this isn’t like Joey Myers taking over for Ray at DePaul.
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[frisco flyer]

Keeping a small school like Davidson relevant after its iconic coach retires is a tall order. I wouldn’t bet my hard earned money on it.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer pretty amazing stat @A10Stats Bob McKillop only spent 8 of his 33 years at @DavidsonMBB in the @A10MBB, but he still amassed the 13th most wins for a coach in the #A10MBB ever. Congrats on a great career Coach and enjoy your retirement.

Wonder where he ranks on the all-time SoCon and other wins lists for coaches?

And yes, best wishes Coach McKillop, on your retirement and your future in general.
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[moville]

600+ wins . . . not bad for the Long Island kid from Chaminade HS.

[bcross]

Originally Posted by Medford retirement isn't odd, but you would have thought it would have happened shortly after the season concluded, which is why I hoped for his good health, I hope he's not stepping down because of a health concern. He always appeared to be super classy.

Timing probably worked out best for his son to not only get the job but also avoid the threat of the transfer portal.

[m21eagle45]

Don't get me wrong, McKillop did a good job at Davidson, but he is a little overrated in my book. 33 years, and 1 year with NCAA tournament wins. He had to have Steph Curry to be able to get those wins. Good coach, consistently good teams, but not great in my opinion. Still hate to see the A10 lose a good coach.

[BeckysTXA]

Originally Posted by bcross Timing probably worked out best for his son to not only get the job but also avoid the threat of the transfer portal.

This rang so real for me. Excellent point about the portal. I hope we take note…you want to keep the roster intact…hold off until it’s too late to jump in the portal. In a “ free market” you have to play every winning card you have. If this becomes a strategy by schools you will hear from some it’s not fair to the SAs. I say it is more than fair. All the advantages should not go to one side in this new world of college basketball. Maybe it was planned. Maybe not. But one savvy move in my opinion.

[Gazoo]

Overrated if he had Duke talent for most of those years. He's underrated in my book, because many nights he took the floor the other team had more raw talent. Not many dunk contest winners coming out of Davidson. And he still won.

Last player out of Davidson to get a sniff of the NBA prior to Curry? That would be 1970. The man can coach.

[Hyde Park Flyer]

Fwiw, the transfer portal closed on May 1. That was over 6 weeks before he announced his resignation. I tend to think he wasn’t just waiting for the portal to close.
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[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 Don't get me wrong, McKillop did a good job at Davidson, but he is a little overrated in my book. 33 years, and 1 year with NCAA tournament wins. He had to have Steph Curry to be able to get those wins. Good coach, consistently good teams, but not great in my opinion. Still hate to see the A10 lose a good coach.

I think you have to put in perspective with what Davidson is. That's an elite liberal college that's one of the highest academic schools in division one.

They couldn't take grad transfers, had guys leave from no grad school

He got everything there was to get out of Davidson. Profile wise they're closer to a Patriot league program than an A10 one

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 Don't get me wrong, McKillop did a good job at Davidson, but he is a little overrated in my book. 33 years, and 1 year with NCAA tournament wins. He had to have Steph Curry to be able to get those wins. Good coach, consistently good teams, but not great in my opinion. Still hate to see the A10 lose a good coach.

Would two years with NCAA wins changed your opinion?

[ud2]

I think I'm glad we got Loyola in our A10 pod instead of Davidson at this point, I would rather take my chances with Loyola now.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 Don't get me wrong, McKillop did a good job at Davidson, but he is a little overrated in my book. 33 years, and 1 year with NCAA tournament wins. He had to have Steph Curry to be able to get those wins. Good coach, consistently good teams, but not great in my opinion. Still hate to see the A10 lose a good coach.

I guess it depends on the context in which you look at it. Most of his years were spent in the Southern Conference where most schools only goal is to get to the NCAA tournament, winning in it is just very thick icing on the cake. And the competition has a lot to do with the level of players you can recruit.

The fact he was there for 33 years and was beloved by the fans, means he did it right. It's obvious that their expectations are lower than they are here in Dayton. Same as Dayton's expectations are lower than Duke's and Kentucky's.

Obviously, nothing I said above means he's a great coach. Doesn't mean he wasn't either. It's really hard to judge a coach who chose to stay at one level of competition, a lower one, for his whole career.

If Brad Brownell had chosen to make Wright State his home for 33 years, he most likely wouldn't put up any better numbers than McKillop did.

But just the accomplishment of holding on to a coaching position at a basketball program like Davidson's, for that long, shows some kind of greatness I believe.

[Fudd]

He always impressed me. I thought he was probably the best A10 coach since he arrived.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Would two years with NCAA wins changed your opinion?

If you're referring to the Flyers amount of years with NCAA wins since 1990(I'm guessing that's what you were doing because the thought hit me too), it's been 3 years not 2(Not counting 1990, that would make it 4).

[Flyers98]

Originally Posted by BeckysTXA This rang so real for me. Excellent point about the portal. I hope we take note…you want to keep the roster intact…hold off until it’s too late to jump in the portal. In a “ free market” you have to play every winning card you have. If this becomes a strategy by schools you will hear from some it’s not fair to the SAs. I say it is more than fair. All the advantages should not go to one side in this new world of college basketball. Maybe it was planned. Maybe not. But one savvy move in my opinion.

That strategy would be effective for one year. One year of kids involuntarily playing for a coach who did not recruit or sign them. Good luck with that. Anytime you would like to continue a relationship with another person, I find that lying to them or tricking them right off the bat is counterproductive to that purpose.

[BeckysTXA]

Originally Posted by Flyers98 That strategy would be effective for one year. One year of kids involuntarily playing for a coach who did not recruit or sign them. Good luck with that. Anytime you would like to continue a relationship with another person, I find that lying to them or tricking them right off the bat is counterproductive to that purpose.

I don’t necessarily disagree with this in general, but getting a year to convince a guy to stay is very powerful. For example, anyone here thing McKinley Wright would have excelled at UD under Grant. Of course schools want to get after a new coach as soon as possible so I doubt it happens unless someone is waiting in the wings. But, another year with teammates also helps. In most cases, there will be a new coach coming into the program, not a son taking over. In some cases an assistant might move up too. But other than a relative taking over, the new coach can honestly say he was out of the loop. I guess it’s a risk-reward proposition for an AD if you don’t have someone waiting in the wings.

[frisco flyer]

Originally Posted by BeckysTXA This rang so real for me. Excellent point about the portal. I hope we take note…you want to keep the roster intact…hold off until it’s too late to jump in the portal. In a “ free market” you have to play every winning card you have. If this becomes a strategy by schools you will hear from some it’s not fair to the SAs. I say it is more than fair. All the advantages should not go to one side in this new world of college basketball. Maybe it was planned. Maybe not. But one savvy move in my opinion.

This only works when you have an heir-apparent. If you have to go to the open market for the next HC, you probably want to get going as early as possible. Early bird gets the worm.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by BeckysTXA I don’t necessarily disagree with this in general, but getting a year to convince a guy to stay is very powerful. For example, anyone here thing McKinley Wright would have excelled at UD under Grant. Of course schools want to get after a new coach as soon as possible so I doubt it happens unless someone is waiting in the wings. But, another year with teammates also helps. In most cases, there will be a new coach coming into the program, not a son taking over. In some cases an assistant might move up too. But other than a relative taking over, the new coach can honestly say he was out of the loop. I guess it’s a risk-reward proposition for an AD if you don’t have someone waiting in the wings.

It's really a very unique situation that would allow a program to wait until it's too late to jump into portal, to announce a coaching change.

If it's due to a coach getting a better opportunity elsewhere, it's in the coach' or new team's advantage to do it early and of course also it's in the former teams' advantage also as the earlier to look for a replacement, the better.

If it's due to a coach getting fired, again, the earlier the better for the former team so that they have access to all coaches rather than a very limited amount of leftovers.

If it's due to a coach retiring. Well, that's a very, very unique situation. Coaches that retire are usually old and the possibility of that coach retiring has to be at least slightly taken into consideration for recruits that signed with him. Most head coaches don't retire as head coaches. They usually leave prior to retirement due to firing or maybe some other personal issues. And they then usually end their careers in an assistant's role prior to their official retirement.

The one thing you want is that it's all on the coach as to when he leaves. You do not want your AD manipulating it to keep players. You don't want your AD with that reputation as you don't want your program to have the reputation of screwing over the players. If a coach does it, it's on him, he's gone and the program can't be held responsible.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by Gazoo Overrated if he had Duke talent for most of those years. He's underrated in my book, because many nights he took the floor the other team had more raw talent. Not many dunk contest winners coming out of Davidson. And he still won. Last player out of Davidson to get a sniff of the NBA prior to Curry? That would be 1970. The man can coach.

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer I think you have to put in perspective with what Davidson is. That's an elite liberal college that's one of the highest academic schools in division one. They couldn't take grad transfers, had guys leave from no grad school He got everything there was to get out of Davidson. Profile wise they're closer to a Patriot league program than an A10 one

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Would two years with NCAA wins changed your opinion?

I am not saying he isn't a good coach, but some people out there are acting like he was one of the all-time great coaches. Career record in the NCAA tournament is 3-10 (all 3 wins Steph Curry's Jr year) 2-8 in the NIT. For a guy that was 1st or 2nd in the league 20 of his 33 year career, he didn't really accomplish much more than regular season wins. A lot of early exits in conference tournaments and NCAA/NIT. Don't get me wrong, you have to be a good coach to be constantly top 2 of your league most years, but I would expect more postseason success from a coach with 600 wins.

[SeasonTicketFan]

Considering the size of the school, resources and location, I think coach Mckillop over-achieved. The deck is stacked heavy against small schools. Davidson, could easily have been a Duquesne or Fordham type of program even though their arena is very, very nice.

Yes, Curry made a splash. When I would see Davidson teams play UD, I saw a lot of international players and players who passed over by larger programs. He had to recruit around the edges so to speak. When you get the post season tournaments that talent gap can catch up with you.

I think Mckillop did quite well given the resources and limitations of the program. Probably as well as he could have.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 I am not saying he isn't a good coach, but some people out there are acting like he was one of the all-time great coaches. Career record in the NCAA tournament is 3-10 (all 3 wins Steph Curry's Jr year) 2-8 in the NIT. For a guy that was 1st or 2nd in the league 20 of his 33 year career, he didn't really accomplish much more than regular season wins. A lot of early exits in conference tournaments and NCAA/NIT. Don't get me wrong, you have to be a good coach to be constantly top 2 of your league most years, but I would expect more postseason success from a coach with 600 wins.

there is something to be said about a coach who's career is built on the backs of one or two NBA players

[m21eagle45]

Is Ben Jacobson at Northern Iowa a great coach? He has coached 16 seasons, all at the same school. Has 320 career wins, so if he continues at this rate for 17 more years, will have more wins the Bob and still be 3 years younger than him. He already has more NCAA victories. I put Ben Jacobson and Bob McKillop in the same tier. Good coaches that win a lot of regular season games, but that is really it. No real postseason success, doesn't produce many NBA players.

[hawkoooo]

The name on the court does it for me. If that isn't legend-status I'm not sure what is. The man coached on a court with his name on it.

[Flyers98]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo The name on the court does it for me. If that isn't legend-status I'm not sure what is. The man coached on a court with his name on it.

That is indeed legend status, at Davidson. There is some level of relativity to it however. He was a good coach objectively and a great coach for Davidson.

I think you could say the same thing about Archie at this point in his career, he was great for us in terms of wins and advancing the program, he was an abject failure at IU and I would bet alot of their fans would say he set the program back a decade, (I would point folks to Crean, but subjectivity is what it is).

[Fudd]

It was the eye test for me. His teams played disciplined, smart basketball. He seemed to get talent that exceeded the school reputation and I thought that he managed the game quite well.

[Flyers98]

Originally Posted by Fudd It was the eye test for me. His teams played disciplined, smart basketball. He seemed to get talent that exceeded the school reputation and I thought that he managed the game quite well.

I should add, I have never heard anything other than he is a total class act, and that matters too. Bobby Knight was a great basketball coach but not such a great human being and his legacy will reflect that.

[springborofan]

McKillop was a great coach FOR Davidson. We’ll see how they do after he leaves.

His success reminds me of the success Phil Martelli had at St. Joseph’s. Coach Martelli won over 450 games at a school that has a gym that seats less than 4K. That is impressive.

It all depends on the measuring stick I suppose. Martelli and McKillop had long term success at schools where it is not easy to be successful. Just look at all their peer institutions that shuffle through coaches every 4-6 years. (Look at St. Joe’s since Martelli left).

Measuring their success against coaches who have multiple levels greater resources is the same as measuring your net worth against billionaires. You can be extremely successful but you’ll always never measure up against someone else. What is the old saying? Comparison is the thief of joy.

[SeasonTicketFan]

As shown in 2019/2020 the better the talent, the better the coach. Are Roy Williams and John Calipari great coaches? Both had talent up and down the roster. Easier to win in the tournaments with more talent

When UD played at NC, they had something like 8 McDonalds All Americans on the roster.

Mid majors pull the occasional upset, but the Final Four and Sweet Sixteen are almost always dominated by Blue Bloods.

I think Dambrodt is a very good coach. He just never has talent.

It seems that Davidson every year finished higher in the league than their pre-season prediction.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 Is Ben Jacobson at Northern Iowa a great coach? He has coached 16 seasons, all at the same school. Has 320 career wins, so if he continues at this rate for 17 more years, will have more wins the Bob and still be 3 years younger than him. He already has more NCAA victories. I put Ben Jacobson and Bob McKillop in the same tier. Good coaches that win a lot of regular season games, but that is really it. No real postseason success, doesn't produce many NBA players.

I don't think that's a fair comparison. Davidson is essentially a Patriot League school that could very easily be a Fordham or La Salle

The things working against a coach at Davidson are higher than probably anywhere outside about 20 schools in D1

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[OSU Flyer]

Davidson is an elite liberal college. It's legitimately one of the best academic schools playing D1 basketball

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges...n-college-2918

[Swampy Meadows]

Bear in mind that Davidson has 1,800 undergraduate students.

1,800

That’s it.
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[Hyde Park Flyer]

It’s also a great value. At $55,000, it has the lowest tuition among the top 40 national colleges. Our 3 Ohio schools in the top 40 are more expensive!
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[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Davidson is an elite liberal arts college. It's legitimately one of the best academic schools playing D1 basketball https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges...n-college-2918

fify...

[FlyerinChicago]

How the hell are we tied at 137? Seems our ranking continues to go lower. Our acceptance rate is ridiculously high for one.
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[DGO67]

Originally Posted by FlyerinChicago How the hell are we tied at 137? Seems our ranking continues to go lower. Our acceptance rate is ridiculously high for one. Posted via Mobile Device

Acceptance rate is based on how many students apply. So, a college that gets 10,000 applicants for its' 1000 available spots has an acceptance rate of 10%. Obviously, schools with big reputations have a large draw and consequently
can set higher standards.

[NJFlyr71]

Originally Posted by FlyerinChicago How the hell are we tied at 137? Seems our ranking continues to go lower. Our acceptance rate is ridiculously high for one. Posted via Mobile Device

If the acceptance rate was any lower I would have been just a fan rather than an alum and a FAN!

Go Flyers!

[NCkevi]

Vince Williams Jr., from VCU, was the A10 representative in the NBA draft (47th by Memphis)

[Swampy Meadows]

Really nice profile from The Boston Globe on new UMass HC and AG’s BFF Frank Martin:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/07/...-hes-focusing/
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	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[Hyde Park Flyer]

I’m cool if Henry Rollins (I’ve long been a Frank Martin fan and make note of the fact that Henry Rollins and Frank Martin are never in the same place at the same time) goes undefeated against all teams other than OUR Dayton Flayers.
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[CJ#4]

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer I’m cool if Henry Rollins (I’ve long been a Frank Martin fan and make note of the fact that Henry Rollins and Frank Martin are never in the same place at the same time) goes undefeated against all teams other than OUR Dayton Flayers. Posted via Mobile Device

You might be onto something, Hyde Park. I think if Frank Martin directed his textbook angry stare in my direction, I would definitely have a "low self-opinion" of myself.