Now here's the question

[Gazoo]

Will AG continue with a full rotation of 8 guys playing meaningfully, or will he play Chatman the entire second half and make every offensive possession the Jalen Crutcher show where no one else is allowed to take a shot? Inquiring minds want to know.

[Gazoo]

StL game
First half minutes:
Chatman - 15
Amzil - 14
Blakeney - 5
Weaver - 9
Zimi - 10

Second half minutes:
Chatman - 18
Amzil - 15
Blakeney - 2
Weaver - 4
Zimi - 15

URI game
First half minutes:
Chatman - 11
Amzil - 18
Blakeney - 9
Weaver - 7
Zimi - 14

Second half minutes:
Chatman - 15
Amzil - 14
Blakeney - 4
Weaver - 7
Zimi - 16

URI OT minutes out of 10:
Chatman - 10
Amzil - 9
Blakeney - 0
Weaver - 0
Zimi - 10


VCU game
First half minutes:
Chatman - DNP
Brea - 7
Amzil - 13
Blakeney - 6
Weaver - 19
Zimi - 7

Second half minutes:
Chatman - DNP
Brea - 0
Amzil - 13
Blakeney - 6
Weaver - 20
Zimi - 5

In the VCU game, Ibi, Crutcher, and Weaver played the entire second half, while Jordy played almost the entire half. The first substitution was at the 12:27 mark! Would it surprise you to know that in the entire second half, AG made only 6 substitutions?! (For contrast, in the first half the first sub was made at 14:37 and there were 9 total substitutions. VCU made 11.)

It seems to me it's not matchups or "going with what's working" (because it's not working in the second half generally), it seems to me AG is puckering up in the second half and his players are tightening up. What I see is a first half lineup that is playing free and loose, and a second half lineup where certain guys gets all the minutes and a mistake sends you to the bench for the rest of the game as AG worries about losing more than focusing on winning.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Hard to argue with last nights success, but AG needs to find more minutes for Blakney. The kid is tough and I can see him having the Trey Landers type roll on this team moving forward. Defensively the kid is doing quite well, especially for a freshman, as evidenced by the fact he leads the team in +/- by almost 4 points per 40 minutes over second place Jordy. Thanks for the info Figstats

[CE80]

When AG has a short bench and they win, it’s a good thing. When he has a short bench and they lose, it’s a bad thing.

[Alberto Strasse]

can become Dayton's Duane Wade. He has many basketball skills.

[TA111]

RJ can really play and he goes after rebounds like their gold. I like his aggressive nature. He’s someone who we need to see on the floor more.

[SeasonTicketFan]

Originally Posted by Gazoo StL game First half minutes: Chatman - 15 Amzil - 14 Blakeney - 5 Weaver - 9 Zimi - 10 Second half minutes: Chatman - 18 Amzil - 15 Blakeney - 2 Weaver - 4 Zimi - 15 URI game First half minutes: Chatman - 11 Amzil - 18 Blakeney - 9 Weaver - 7 Zimi - 14 Second half minutes: Chatman - 15 Amzil - 14 Blakeney - 4 Weaver - 7 Zimi - 16 URI OT minutes out of 10: Chatman - 10 Amzil - 9 Blakeney - 0 Weaver - 0 Zimi - 10 VCU game First half minutes: Chatman - DNP Brea - 7 Amzil - 13 Blakeney - 6 Weaver - 19 Zimi - 7 Second half minutes: Chatman - DNP Brea - 0 Amzil - 13 Blakeney - 6 Weaver - 20 Zimi - 5 In the VCU game, Ibi, Crutcher, and Weaver played the entire second half, while Jordy played almost the entire half. The first substitution was at the 12:27 mark! Would it surprise you to know that in the entire second half, AG made only 6 substitutions?! (For contrast, in the first half the first sub was made at 14:37 and there were 9 total substitutions. VCU made 11.) It seems to me it's not matchups or "going with what's working" (because it's not working in the second half generally), it seems to me AG is puckering up in the second half and his players are tightening up. What I see is a first half lineup that is playing free and loose, and a second half lineup where certain guys gets all the minutes and a mistake sends you to the bench for the rest of the game as AG worries about losing more than focusing on winning.

This should not come as a shock. Just about every coach plays reserves and freshman less in league play and especially in the second half. Benches shorten in league play. Coaches play for this year and this game vs. next game and next year. The exceptions do happen if the reserve or freshman is stepping up. OP, BG and AM used similar practices. OP was notorious for yanking a reserve after the first mistake and never putting them back in the game. Look at how little he played Sean Finn his freshman year.

Often leads are blown when reserves are in the game. In the VCU game at the arena , UD was trying to catch up during quite a bit of the second half. I can see why AG did not substitute.

This is the classic coaching dilemma and also the reason that the lack of buy games early hurt this team. The freshman could have eased into the game better and earned more confidence from the coaches.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[CT Flyer]

Years ago when I was coaching high school basketball still I read an article by Billy Donovan and he said his philosophy for rotations was to start the year playing up to 12 guys and then widdling it down as the season progressed until he got to conference play where he liked to have the rotation at 8 guys. It's possible that AG also has this philosophy, although I admit when I read the article way back then, the OOC schedule probably didn't have as big of an impact on selection/seeding so that philosophy would might change if Billy were still coaching in college.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse can become Dayton's Duane Wade. He has many basketball skills.

Originally Posted by TA111 RJ can really play and he goes after rebounds like their gold. I like his aggressive nature. He’s someone who we need to see on the floor more.

I think RJ can be an upgraded Ryan Mikesell.

[Gazoo]

Several posters have referenced conference versus preconference. That's not what I'm showing here. I'm showing first half and second half of recent conference games.

A couple posters have also referenced what's working vs what's not working, such as when you're trying to catch up in the second half. That's the whole point. During these games we appeared to my eyes to play better with the slightly higher number of subs, then as soon as a little adversity hits like a 6-0 second half run, it's pucker time. Nobody plays except the first team because we're panicking.

[Gazoo]

In the GM game before that, we only played 7 guys.



First half:

Zimi - 11

Blakney - 8


Second half:

Zimi - 4

Blakney -6

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan This should not come as a shock. Just about every coach plays reserves and freshman less in league play and especially in the second half. Benches shorten in league play. Coaches play for this year and this game vs. next game and next year. The exceptions do happen if the reserve or freshman is stepping up. OP, BG and AM used similar practices. OP was notorious for yanking a reserve after the first mistake and never putting them back in the game. Look at how little he played Sean Finn his freshman year. Often leads are blown when reserves are in the game. In the VCU game at the arena , UD was trying to catch up during quite a bit of the second half. I can see why AG did not substitute. This is the classic coaching dilemma and also the reason that the lack of buy games early hurt this team. The freshman could have eased into the game better and earned more confidence from the coaches.

Agree...no rocket science here.

[springborofan]

I’m just a simple guy. All the talk about rotations are well and dandy but the principle stat I noticed last night on the broadcast was this team’s 3pt. shooting % disparity between wins/losses. They hit a couple more 3’s in their close losses and this team sits at 16-3.

At 16-3 no one’s analyzing AG’s rotations, UD Scott stays in his cave, and we’re all following Glen’s games of note thread more closely. More consistent 3pt. shooting cures a lot of ills.

With the improved play of several freshmen, Chapman’s return, and (hopefully) a sense of urgency from several seniors that improves focus and effort, there’s no reason this team cannot go on a run and win the **** A10 tournament.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by TA111 RJ can really play and he goes after rebounds like their gold. I like his aggressive nature. He’s someone who we need to see on the floor more.

I think (hope) you will next season. The lanes seem to be set for the finish this season. He's getting a few crumbs for playing time just to keep him engaged. Clearly he is deserving of more minutes.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by springborofan I’m just a simple guy. All the talk about rotations are well and dandy but the principle stat I noticed last night on the broadcast was this team’s 3pt. shooting % disparity between wins/losses. They hit a couple more 3’s in their close losses and this team sits at 16-3. At 16-3 no one’s analyzing AG’s rotations, UD Scott stays in his cave, and we’re all following Glen’s games of note thread more closely. More consistent 3pt. shooting cures a lot of ills. With the improved play of several freshmen, Chapman’s return, and (hopefully) a sense of urgency from several seniors that improves focus and effort, there’s no reason this team cannot go on a run and win the **** A10 tournament.

It’s not always that simple. There are times when the wide open 3s are missed and there other times when the 3s are forced and missed. Last night SLU shot 27.1% overall and 22.6% from 3. My SLU friend texted me that he did not watch most of the game but quoted me the SLU shooting stats. Saying you are not going to win many games shooting it like that. My response was that SLU may have missed a few but the Flyer D had a lot to do with that. Sometimes the opponent takes away the 3. You shouldn’t take forced 3s but look to score other ways.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Flyer 86]

Depth chart:

Start. Crutch, ibi, chatty, Zimi or Blakeny, jordy

6th man blakeny or Zimi.
7th Amzil
8th or pg relief. Weaver

That's our team. Some Brea here and there.

Coach needs to UP BLAKENEYS minutes! And play periods of small, pressure ball for this team to possibly succeed to its fullest.

Small ball lineup:
Crutch, Chatty, weaver, Zimi and choices of either Blakeny/amzil

¹

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by springborofan I’m just a simple guy. All the talk about rotations are well and dandy but the principle stat I noticed last night on the broadcast was this team’s 3pt. shooting % disparity between wins/losses. They hit a couple more 3’s in their close losses and this team sits at 16-3. At 16-3 no one’s analyzing AG’s rotations, UD Scott stays in his cave, and we’re all following Glen’s games of note thread more closely. More consistent 3pt. shooting cures a lot of ills. With the improved play of several freshmen, Chapman’s return, and (hopefully) a sense of urgency from several seniors that improves focus and effort, there’s no reason this team cannot go on a run and win the **** A10 tournament.

See, I think 3 point shooting is a symptom rather than direct problem. I don't know when I ever watched a team miss tons of 3s and said to myself "they are playing a great game, except for missing their 3s". When you're winning, relaxed, getting good ball movement, the 3s flow better. When you're losing, tight, desperate, the 3s tend to be off target and continue to get worse as the game starts to get out of hand.

It's kind of like when I hear people complain that a football team didn't run the ball which is how they usually win but this time lost. Well, if you get behind by 2 TDs or more, you're not going to try and get back in the game handing off to the RBs. So lack of rushing attempts didn't cause you the game, being behind caused you to have less rushing attempts. Not making 3s didn't cost them the game, having to shoot 3s in an attempt to catch up causes lots of missed 3s.

[steverino015]

but at one point against St Louis
we had a big lead and launching
3's without ball movement....

Keith said CAG was all over the team
during a timeout about it... Larry said
coaches tell players lots of times,
THERE IS A REASON YOU ARE OPEN....

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[312to937]

Originally Posted by springborofan I’m just a simple guy. All the talk about rotations are well and dandy but the principle stat I noticed last night on the broadcast was this team’s 3pt. shooting % disparity between wins/losses. They hit a couple more 3’s in their close losses and this team sits at 16-3. At 16-3 no one’s analyzing AG’s rotations, UD Scott stays in his cave, and we’re all following Glen’s games of note thread more closely. More consistent 3pt. shooting cures a lot of ills. With the improved play of several freshmen, Chapman’s return, and (hopefully) a sense of urgency from several seniors that improves focus and effort, there’s no reason this team cannot go on a run and win the **** A10 tournament.

It goes both ways. If some of the teams (NKU, MISS and MISS St, Davidson , Saint Louis game 1) that shot threes very poorly against us in our close wins hit one or two more, we are 7-11 and UD Scott sits in the penthouse. The three pointer is such an important part of the game today. Overall I think the Flyers record is a very fair reflection of their play this year.
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	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[steverino015]

Originally Posted by 312to937 It goes both ways. If some of the teams (NKU, MISS and MISS St, Davidson , Saint Louis game 1) that shot threes very poorly against us in our close wins hit one or two more, we are 7-11 and UD Scott sits in the penthouse. The three pointer is such an important part of the game today. Overall I think the Flyers record is a very fair reflection of their play this year. Posted via Mobile Device

agreed. some games it was like
we just didn't want to be there,
and played like it.... I'll be nice
and use Brooks Hall's term:
non chalant..

substitute any word
you want, and you will be fair....

on the good side, very very
smart starting Zimi... if we can
show up like this, we have a
chance to win the A10 tourney...

can we show up? hope so,
we made it a tough road 4sure on
ourselves...

	Brooks Hall BROOKS HALL 6-6 205lb Troy HS | Troy (OH) Cool, calm, cerebral wing player who finished among the Top-25 scorers in Flyer history. Deadly three-point shot and excellent passing skills. Helped Dayton reach two NCAA tournaments under Oliver Purnell. Consensus Top-125 recruit out of Troy HS in 1999 where he was D-I First Team All-Ohio and the media's choice for Ohio Mr. Basketball. CAREER STATS 1999-00 10.4ppg 5.8rpg 2000-01 9.20ppg 4.6rpg 2001-02 13.2ppg 5.0rpg 2002-03 12.8ppg 6.9rpg TOTALS 1404pts 686rbs 275asts

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Chris R]

This team has to shoot well to win. In my opinion the VCU loss at home is the only game we have lost when shooting well and shooting well from behind the arc. If we make treys, we are probably going to win. If we don't, we are probably going to lose (to even Fordham).

Whether we should be so reliant on the trey, right or wrong guys taking them, taking good or bad looks, finishing issues inside etc I don't know. I just know everything rolls downhill for us when we make threes. Even our defense and rebounding seems to improve...probably not a surprise because it leads to better open threes. Chicken/egg.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[steverino015]

we lost at home to VCU,
because we could not handle their
pressure...

3pt shots were almost a wash...
VCU had 9 steals
we had 1

VCU had 8 turnovers
we had 16

that is tough to overcome...
think that is where we lost

[Sea Bass]

UD lost to VCU because of a lack of depth. they wilted the last five minutes of each half.

[SeasonTicketFan]

Originally Posted by Chris R This team has to shoot well to win. In my opinion the VCU loss at home is the only game we have lost when shooting well and shooting well from behind the arc. If we make treys, we are probably going to win. If we don't, we are probably going to lose (to even Fordham). Whether we should be so reliant on the trey, right or wrong guys taking them, taking good or bad looks, finishing issues inside etc I don't know. I just know everything rolls downhill for us when we make threes. Even our defense and rebounding seems to improve...probably not a surprise because it leads to better open threes. Chicken/egg.

This team lives and dies by the 3 because of its inside game, or lack of. This years offense has little to no inside out motion. Jordy gets into foul trouble and it hurts interior defense. On offense, Jordy is the only player who post up low, but he has lots of turnovers and finishing issues.

All this places a lot of pressure on the team to hit 3s.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by Flyer 86 Depth chart: Start. Crutch, ibi, chatty, Zimi or Blakeny, jordy 6th man blakeny or Zimi. 7th Amzil 8th or pg relief. Weaver That's our team. Some Brea here and there. Coach needs to UP BLAKENEYS minutes! And play periods of small, pressure ball for this team to possibly succeed to its fullest. Small ball lineup: Crutch, Chatty, weaver, Zimi and choices of either Blakeny/amzil ¹

Amzil will not and should not be the 7th man. He is a starter/6th man at worst. He makes us so much better in a lot of ways. Even in some of his worst games he does stuff to help us.

[Bill202]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass UD lost to VCU because of a lack of depth. they wilted the last five minutes of each half.

That's possible. It's also possible that VCI had one more gear to call on and they pulled away (vs. UD faltering).