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Old 12-04-2019, 08:25 AM
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My oldest daughter graduated from Saint Mary's, so I pay attention to their basketball program. It's always interested me that they field ranked teams with rosters comprised of many foreign players. This years roster: https://smcgaels.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster
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Old 12-04-2019, 08:47 AM
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Bennett seems to always get his height/beef on his roster from Australia/New Zealand, this year being no exception. Of the trio of Tass (6'10", 240lbs) has been the most productive at 8 pts/4 rebs. Menzies (7'3", 265 lbs) avg'ing 3 pts/2 rebs. Perry (7'1", 250 lbs) has yet to see the floor. Not sure if injured or other (redshirt?).
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Old 12-04-2019, 10:49 AM
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To me, this is going to be the most revealing game of the season. I don't put much stock into what the holiday tournaments reveal. I am of the belief that the power conference schools, especially the perpetual great basketball schools like Kansas, use the OOC schedule as a prep for conference. I believe they probably don't game plan as much as "mid-majors" do for the upcoming opponent. I think their game plan is pretty much the same from opponent to opponent and they just wait to see how their opponents game plan for them and make adjustments as necessary. I don't believe Kansas looked at Maui the same way Dayton did.

But St. Mary and Dayton are kind of in the same boat. These out of conference games mean so much more and they need to take these games much more seriously. If St. Mary or the Flyers have weaknesses not yet revealed, I expect them to be revealed and exploited in this game.

Dayton has a slight advantage in that they have Today, tomorrow, Friday and Saturday to work on specific things pertaining to the Gaels. SM has NIU on Thursday and can't afford to be worrying about the Flyers until after.

If there's a must see game pre-conference, this is it and I cannot wait. I've watched St. Mary play a few times this season and they are a smooth, fun team to watch.
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Old 12-04-2019, 11:17 AM
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This game is being played in the Phoenix Suns NBA arena.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk...k_Resort_Arena

Talking Stick Resort Arena

Hope we get a fair shake from the refs. I am always concerned about the refs in these type of one-off neutral games.

Is this a double-header with 2 other teams like Chicago?

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Old 12-04-2019, 11:26 AM
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Is this a double-header with 2 other teams like Chicago?
Triple header actually.
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Old 12-04-2019, 11:35 AM
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UD v St Mary's is sandwiched in the middle.
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Old 12-04-2019, 11:57 AM
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Hope we get a fair shake from the refs. I am always concerned about the refs in these type of one-off neutral games.
Why do neutral sites concern you in regard to getting a fair shake from the refs? Isn't the other team also playing on a neutral court?
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Old 12-04-2019, 11:58 AM
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11:30AM MST - Tulane University vs St. Louis University
2:00PM MST - Saint Mary's College vs University of Dayton
4:30PM MST - Grand Canyon University vs Liberty University


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SMC is having a pre-game party for their fans across the street at the Hard Rock Cafe at 11:30am.

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11:30AM MST (1:30PM EST) - Tulane University vs St. Louis University
2:00PM MST (4:00PM EST) - Saint Mary's College vs University of Dayton
4:30PM MST (6:30PM EST) - Grand Canyon University vs Liberty University
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Old 12-04-2019, 12:13 PM
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Why do neutral sites concern you in regard to getting a fair shake from the refs? Isn't the other team also playing on a neutral court?
I have seen p5 teams get what was IMO home-court-advantage type officiating in these type of games even though they are supposed to be neutral games. Perhaps that will not be a problem since SMC is not p5, but SMC is a West Coast team, so this is more of a home game for them than it ever would be for us.
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Old 12-04-2019, 12:19 PM
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11:30AM MST (1:30PM EST) - Tulane University vs St. Louis University
2:00PM MST (4:00PM EST) - Saint Mary's College vs University of Dayton
4:30PM MST (6:30PM EST) - Grand Canyon University vs Liberty University
Glad you posted this. My tickets say 7pm on them and I hadn’t checked game prior to this.
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Old 12-04-2019, 01:33 PM
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11:30AM MST (1:30PM EST) - Tulane University vs St. Louis University
2:00PM MST (4:00PM EST) - Saint Mary's College vs University of Dayton
4:30PM MST (6:30PM EST) - Grand Canyon University vs Liberty University
Pretty good slate of games. Tulane has been solid, only loss is to Miss St. on a neutral court. Liberty is 10-0. They haven't played anybody but finish their non-con slate @Vandy and @LSU.
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[QUOTE=ud2;602248]I have seen p5 teams get what was IMO home-court-advantage type officiating in these type of games even though they are supposed to be neutral games. Perhaps that will not be a problem since SMC is not p5, but SMC is a West Coast team, so this is more of a home game for them than it ever would be for us.[/QUOTE

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Old 12-04-2019, 02:28 PM
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Pretty good slate of games. Tulane has been solid, only loss is to Miss St. on a neutral court. Liberty is 10-0. They haven't played anybody but finish their non-con slate @Vandy and @LSU.
Yeah, not bad...Liberty is projected to be top 100, Tulane top 130, GC top 200 though
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Old 12-04-2019, 04:01 PM
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I am SO looking forward to this! Not only is it an extremely rare chance to see the Flyers in my own backyard. But my wife did her undergrad at SMC. I root for them as well except during times like these. Jan 23rd, incidentally, is Australia Heritage night for them. So I don't see the pipeline drying up any time soon.

I saw much of the Utah St game recently on ESPNU (even though we were actually 3 miles from campus in Moraga when the game was played Friday night). It was a well-played game and St. Mary's will be a load for sure. As far as common opponents go SMC played Omaha Sunday night and beat them by 9 after trailing by 4 at halftime.
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This is gonna be a test for the perimeter defense. 4th in the country in 3pt %

Haven't watched them this year but in the past they've been a patient and disciplined team that the defense needs to guard the full 30 seconds
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What concerns me about this game is .........

How are the Marianist going to feel about UD beating up (St.) Mary's?

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This is gonna be a test for the perimeter defense. 4th in the country in 3pt %

Haven't watched them this year but in the past they've been a patient and disciplined team that the defense needs to guard the full 30 seconds
Yeah, but only after gaining possession from Dayton. That new 20 second rule should benefit the Flyers in most games.
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I think we need to out-athletic them if I may coin a phrase. While they are very skilled, outside of Ford they are not overly athletic which is something that we are.
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This is awful. The ESPN announcers are giving an interview of Colangelo right in the middle of the game. Unprofessional.
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This thread from the Gaels board is worth a read:

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/godi...t8689-s10.html

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I muted them during that 15 minute segment. It was disgraceful; interview him at half-time.
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Trey played extremely well - 15 points and a very good defensive game.
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I muted them during that 15 minute segment. It was disgraceful; interview him at half-time.
I also found it very distracting but I’m guessing when the tournament is named after you the interview happens when you decide it happens.
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In addition to hitting some key shots and free throws, Trey made a bunch of hustle plays—some of them at key moments in the game when it looked like the momentum was shifting toward St. Mary’s—like hustling to grab loose balls, rebounds, make defensive plays, etc. He was a Beast today.
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In addition to hitting some key shots and free throws, Trey made a bunch of hustle plays—some of them at key moments in the game when it looked like the momentum was shifting toward St. Mary’s—like hustling to grab loose balls, rebounds, make defensive plays, etc. He was a Beast today.
Trey's last five games have been outstanding. He has learned to play "within himself" and do what he does best - crash the boards, rebound, help defense, and now an occasional three-ball. Just watching him, he has become a leader on the court. He had a little discussion with Cohill in yesterday's game after a pass from Trey hit Cohill in the face. Trey no doubt told him he was the point guard and he needs to be looking for the ball all the time. By the way, Cohill had a rough 7 minutes yesterday.
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In addition to hitting some key shots and free throws, Trey made a bunch of hustle plays—some of them at key moments in the game when it looked like the momentum was shifting toward St. Mary’s—like hustling to grab loose balls, rebounds, make defensive plays, etc. He was a Beast today.
Yes, I spoke briefly with Trey after the game and he was indeed our MVP. He made all the hustle plays in the second half. Great game.
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My assumption is that the conversation with Colangelo was always planned, however I also assume it was meant to be a short, in/out type interview get his opinions on Toppin and basketball and move on. When the game is a blow out, the announcers went to plan B and just kept interviewing him. From a non-UD fan standpoint, the game was fairly uninteresting after half time. I'm sure a few Gael fans believed an comeback was possible, but were any UD fans really concerned after the first 4 minutes after the break? Basketball is a game of runs, they made theirs, UD settled for far too many threes, once they started attacking inside more, they regained control: game, set, match.


How in the world does an event like this get pulled off with that few a number of fans in attendance? Anyone have rating number for this? Seems like ESPN would have been better served just to get UD & StMary's to schedule a home and home and broadcast that. Don't know, it was just interesting to see how little fan support there was, UD fans were loud, only saw 1 dude sitting behind St Mary's bench.
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Originally Posted by Buckleyma View Post
This is awful. The ESPN announcers are giving an interview of Colangelo right in the middle of the game. Unprofessional.
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Not as awful as anytime they force Bill Walton on everybody. Can we just move on from that jackass already. He contributes absolutely nothing. Second in annoyance only to Dick Vitale who receives an auto-mute in my home. Can't be all that bad to have someone as tied in to the NBA as Colangelo talking about Obi. Not sure I'm with those guys comparing his game to Stoudamire. Maybe a bit on the athleticism and length but Obi's more of a true PF and has a better outside shot. IMO Obi is pretty well suited for the NBA game.

Hopefully the lesson to the guys is that you can't let your foot off the gas and you can't just assume the 3's will continue to fall just because they did in the first half. Couple that with some boneheaded passes and St Mary's was back in the game after being down 24 with a handful of ticks left in the second half. As soon as they started working the offense again, moving the ball, getting it into Obi good things started happening. Either way, this is a quality OC win and coupled with Maui things are shaping up nicely for this portion of the schedule.
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When I went to the neutral site game at Mohegan Sun in CT last year I also asked myself how these events make money. The first game was URI and WVU and as expected URI had the most fans there followed by WVU but the arena was still not even half full (holds 10,000). Dayton and Tulsa played in the second game and there were literally less than 200 people left, of which 120 were UD fans. When the third game started between Quinnipiac (which is in CT) and Drexel there were about 50 people left in the arena.
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So what happened with Matos? If it is an injury, someone should be saying, even without specifying. If it wad discipline, we will not hear.
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Hopefully the lesson to the guys is that you can't let your foot off the gas and you can't just assume the 3's will continue to fall just because they did in the first half. Couple that with some boneheaded passes and St Mary's was back in the game after being down 24...
The TO when Cohill took Trey's pass right off the numbers from flat out not having his head in the game I about went through the TV! But, STM is good. There was no way they wouldn't make a run on us. I was happy to see us curb it, but we were sloppy there for a bit.
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So what happened with Matos? If it is an injury, someone should be saying, even without specifying. If it wad discipline, we will not hear.
He was rubbing his knee during a shot of the sidelines, and looked to be wincing. Without knowing he was not going to play my first thought was that he didn't look physically ready to play.
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So what happened with Matos? If it is an injury, someone should be saying, even without specifying. If it wad discipline, we will not hear.
It may not be an injury, he could have been under the weather. The staff doesn't talk about injuries unless it' s significant and then as little as possible. From what I know about Jhery, I seriously doubt it was discipline, unless he overslept for study hall on Saturday.
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[QUOTE=Swampy Meadows;603193]The Washington Post report on the game:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...6da_story.html[/QUOTTE

I have not seen so many spelling mistakes in one article in a long time. Did a computer try to write this article? Every quote has errors in it.
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16:08 of the video, the play of the game.
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In games through yesterday, St Marys is #1 in the country in 3 point field goal percentage at 44.4%. We are #20 at 40.3%. They shot right at their average yesterday at 43.8%(7-16). Of course, we shot 54% from 3(13-24) yesterday. We had 16 turnovers - way too many. It was not that we shut down SMC, we just were so efficient offensively.

We are #1 in the country in FG% at 54.6%.
We are #2 in the country in scoring at 87.4 - just behind CMU at 90.0.
We are #1 in the country in assists per game at 20.3.
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In games through yesterday, St Marys is #1 in the country in 3 point field goal percentage at 44.4%. We are #20 at 40.3%. They shot right at their average yesterday at 43.8%(7-16). Of course, we shot 54% from 3(13-24) yesterday. We had 16 turnovers - way too many. It was not that we shut down SMC, we just were so efficient offensively.

We are #1 in the country in FG% at 54.6%.
We are #2 in the country in scoring at 87.4 - just behind CMU at 90.0.
We are #1 in the country in assists per game at 20.3.
As long as the team continues to share the ball, they will get great open looks. Combine that with having players that can shoot the ball, as opposed to great athletes, and it's more than luck, it's the system. This is the best balance of interior and perimeter shooters UD has had in a loooooooong time.
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We are #1 in the country in FG% at 54.6%.
We are #2 in the country in scoring at 87.4 - just behind CMU at 90.0.
We are #1 in the country in assists per game at 20.3.
After Omaha I said to myself, "Self, that's nice but we haven't played anyone of note yet". Well, we for sure have now, and it's pretty dam impressive.

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After Houston Baptist I said to myself, "Self, that's nice but we haven't played anyone of note yet". Well, we have now, and it's pretty dam impressive.
Georgia, VaTech, and Kansas weren't of note?
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Georgia, VaTech, and Kansas weren't of note?
I was having similar thoughts, not that we hadn’t played anyone of note, but that we hadn’t BEAT anybody of note. We hadn’t even had a Top 50 (KenPom) win yet. Yes, Georgia and VTech come with some P5 cache, but neither may be a tournament team come March. Yes, we hung with KU and certainly looked more than the part of legit contender, but St. Mary’s, while not our most impressive performance of the year, is our best resume win right now.

HOW we beat, let me say dismantled, Georgia and VTech, and pretty much St. Mary’s too, has made the biggest impression on me and apparently the national pundits too. Equally impressed in our loss to KU.
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Georgia, VaTech, and Kansas weren't of note?
Oh good grief I meant to say Omaha.
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Oh good grief I meant to say Omaha.
That is what I figured you meant, but I try not to assume and make an @$$ of myself.
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It's okay, I often confuse Kansas and Omaha in regards to college basketball.

Seriously, while Dayton's wins aren't top 25 (or even top 50 barring Saint Mary's), they are dominant wins:

by 5 over Kenpom 118 Indiana State
by 29 over Kenpom 288 Charleston Southern
by 25 over Kenpom 161 Omaha
by 19 over Kenpom 64 Georgia
by 27 over Kenpom 60 Va Tech
by 31 over Kenpom 311 Houston Baptist
by 10 over Kenpom 45 Saint Mary's

I'm confident that Dayton's current Kenpom ranking (20) is in the right ballpark, that they'll climb a little bit higher. Need to dominate this current stretch of non-con games and take the Colorado (36 Kenpom) game. Finishing non-con 12-1, ranked in the top 15 of all the polls and computer rankings.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the NET rankings take into account margin of victory up to a max of 10 pts. When NET rankings show up it will look good when it comes to margin of victory. All of our victories except over Indiana St. will show up as the highest margin of victory, including the 10 pt. victory of top 50 Saint Mary's.

Regarding the loss, the NET considers overtime losses as a margin of -1. So that OT loss to Kansas shouldn't hurt us at all in the NET.
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I was having similar thoughts, not that we hadn’t played anyone of note, but that we hadn’t BEAT anybody of note.
The stats don't say we're #1 in games we win. The stats say #1. That includes wins and losses.

During regulation we shot 45% from the floor, scored 73 points, and had 18 assists against what is currently the #2 team in the COUNTRY.

The #2 team in FG%, Loyola Chicago, is 6-4 and has beaten notable teams such as the Quincy Hawks. Gotta remove that game, they're not notable. Same for UC Davis, they're 4-7. Not notable. No notable wins, so they don't count.

Loyola Marymount at #3: 4-7, no notable wins. Doesn't count.

Kansas at #4? They padded their stats pretty heavily with Chaminade and Monmouth. Not exactly a murderer's row of a schedule so far.

#5 LSU lost to the only really good teams on their schedule, VCU and Utah State. Besides those games their biggest game was against Rhode Island. No notable wins, no stats count.

#6 Utah, only notable win is Minnesota (4-5 overall). Their stats don't count.

How about the Fighting Archie's at #9? Only notable win is FSU, and the their schedule ranked #330 or so just about a week ago. They don't count.

It seems like maybe there's no one who gets to count their stats.
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The stats don't say we're #1 in games we win. The stats say #1. That includes wins and losses.

During regulation we shot 45% from the floor, scored 73 points, and had 18 assists against what is currently the #2 team in the COUNTRY.

The #2 team in FG%, Loyola Chicago, is 6-4 and has beaten notable teams such as the Quincy Hawks. Gotta remove that game, they're not notable. Same for UC Davis, they're 4-7. Not notable. No notable wins, so they don't count.

Loyola Marymount at #3: 4-7, no notable wins. Doesn't count.

Kansas at #4? They padded their stats pretty heavily with Chaminade and Monmouth. Not exactly a murderer's row of a schedule so far.

#5 LSU lost to the only really good teams on their schedule, VCU and Utah State. Besides those games their biggest game was against Rhode Island. No notable wins, no stats count.

#6 Utah, only notable win is Minnesota (4-5 overall). Their stats don't count.

How about the Fighting Archie's at #9? Only notable win is FSU, and the their schedule ranked #330 or so just about a week ago. They don't count.

It seems like maybe there's no one who gets to count their stats.
Help me out here Gazoo. I’m a little slow, so I’m not following what you’re saying here re: stats not counting. I wasn’t suggesting our stats shouldn’t count or don’t count since since they weren’t against top caliber teams. Not sure I even mentioned stats. Help me understand the angle or point you’re going for.

My point was that while we’ve looked really good (aced the eye test) and took Kansas to the wire, we really hadn’t picked up any wins that were certain to be Quad 1 wins come March. At least not until St. Mary’s. I think VTech is likely to be a Top 75 NET team. Georgia is probably a coin flip.
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Help me out here Gazoo. I’m a little slow, so I’m not following what you’re saying here re: stats not counting. I wasn’t suggesting our stats shouldn’t count or don’t count since since they weren’t against top caliber teams. Not sure I even mentioned stats. Help me understand the angle or point you’re going for.

My point was that while we’ve looked really good (aced the eye test) and took Kansas to the wire, we really hadn’t picked up any wins that were certain to be Quad 1 wins come March. At least not until St. Mary’s. I think VTech is likely to be a Top 75 NET team. Georgia is probably a coin flip.

And, neither have most other teams that are close to us in the top of those statistical categories. But you're discounting our nation-leading stats, so who "should" be there since ours don't count? Since we haven't beaten anyone prior to St. Mary?



My point is that someone has to lead the nation (which of course really just means it's recognition-worthy, not that we're necessarily exactly #1). Why discount it because we haven't beaten hard enough teams when the other top teams haven't beaten anyone either?
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And, neither have most other teams that are close to us in the top of those statistical categories. But you're discounting our nation-leading stats, so who "should" be there since ours don't count? Since we haven't beaten anyone prior to St. Mary?



My point is that someone has to lead the nation (which of course really just means it's recognition-worthy, not that we're necessarily exactly #1). Why discount it because we haven't beaten hard enough teams when the other top teams haven't beaten anyone either?
I didn’t feel I was discounting our nation leading stats. I think those are GREAT. They’re part of the “eye test” IMO, which I gave major props to and is also important.

It feels like many of the other Top Ten teams (both ranking and KenPom) already DO phave bonafide Q1 wins under their belt(s) that are virtual locks to remain Q1.

tOSU over Nova, UNC are Q1 locks. Penn St, maybe
Louisville over Michigan Q1 lock
KU over Dayton and Colorado are Q1 locks
Zags over Oregon virtual Q1 lock
Michigan already has 3 or 4 Q1 locks
Duke over KU and MSU - locks
Even MSU with a win over Seton Hall - lock
Maryland over Marquette - Q1 lock
UK over MSU - lock
UVA over UNC - lock
Baylor over Zona and Nova - locks

These are the kinds of things (Q1 wins) that stuff resumes in March. As good as we’ve played, we hadn’t really stuffed anything on our resume until the neutral court win over St. Mary’s. Come March, the committee ain’t gonna look at our 4 our 5 Q1 wins and bump us up a few seed lines because we’re #1 in points or points per possession.

The data above is what prompted my comments and perspective.
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I didn’t feel I was discounting our nation leading stats. I think those are GREAT. They’re part of the “eye test” IMO, which I gave major props to and is also important.

It feels like many of the other Top Ten teams (both ranking and KenPom) already DO phave bonafide Q1 wins under their belt(s) that are virtual locks to remain Q1.

tOSU over Nova, UNC are Q1 locks. Penn St, maybe
Louisville over Michigan Q1 lock
KU over Dayton and Colorado are Q1 locks
Zags over Oregon virtual Q1 lock
Michigan already has 3 or 4 Q1 locks
Duke over KU and MSU - locks
Even MSU with a win over Seton Hall - lock
Maryland over Marquette - Q1 lock
UK over MSU - lock
UVA over UNC - lock
Baylor over Zona and Nova - locks

These are the kinds of things (Q1 wins) that stuff resumes in March. As good as we’ve played, we hadn’t really stuffed anything on our resume until the neutral court win over St. Mary’s. Come March, the committee ain’t gonna look at our 4 our 5 Q1 wins and bump us up a few seed lines because we’re #1 in points or points per possession.

The data above is what prompted my comments and perspective.

At this point we only have one Quad 2 win and no Quad 1, and that being over Indiana State. None of our neutral court victories as of today have high enough RPI, hopefully this all changes as we get into conference play and our three neutral court opponents start winning against tough in conference opponents

Or just win out and not worry about any of this!
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I didn’t feel I was discounting our nation leading stats. I think those are GREAT. They’re part of the “eye test” IMO, which I gave major props to and is also important.

It feels like many of the other Top Ten teams (both ranking and KenPom) already DO phave bonafide Q1 wins under their belt(s) that are virtual locks to remain Q1.

tOSU over Nova, UNC are Q1 locks. Penn St, maybe
Louisville over Michigan Q1 lock
KU over Dayton and Colorado are Q1 locks
Zags over Oregon virtual Q1 lock
Michigan already has 3 or 4 Q1 locks
Duke over KU and MSU - locks
Even MSU with a win over Seton Hall - lock
Maryland over Marquette - Q1 lock
UK over MSU - lock
UVA over UNC - lock
Baylor over Zona and Nova - locks

These are the kinds of things (Q1 wins) that stuff resumes in March. As good as we’ve played, we hadn’t really stuffed anything on our resume until the neutral court win over St. Mary’s. Come March, the committee ain’t gonna look at our 4 our 5 Q1 wins and bump us up a few seed lines because we’re #1 in points or points per possession.

The data above is what prompted my comments and perspective.
But those schools aren't in the top 10 of the stats provided. They're in the top 10 of the rankings.

Besides, you could be 1-9 and have the best FG% in the nation. Shoot 100% against the Sisters of the Blind and score 300 points, but lose 9 and shoot 20% and you could still be top 10. (Or not, you get the point.)

It's not wins. It's not top 10 in the rankings. It's top 10 in FG%, assists, etc. That's what's was mentioned.
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Come March, the committee ain’t gonna look at our 4 our 5 Q1 wins and bump us up a few seed lines because we’re #1 in points or points per possession.
Actually stats specifically won't get us bumped up a few seeds, but correct me if I am wrong, aren't they are using advanced metrics like offensive and defensive efficiency when seeding teams. So in a round about way having good offensive statistics, which probably equate to good efficiency numbers, will probably help when it comes to seeding.
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Actually stats specifically won't get us bumped up a few seeds, but correct me if I am wrong, aren't they are using advanced metrics like offensive and defensive efficiency when seeding teams. So in a round about way having good offensive statistics, which probably equate to good efficiency numbers, will probably help when it comes to seeding.
Yes, KenPom and Sagarin now play a prominent role in determining your resume as well as the NET. So you’re corrrect that stats do in fact help.
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Question ... "How in the world does an event like this get pulled off with that few a number of fans in attendance? Anyone have rating number for this? Seems like ESPN would have been better served just to get UD & StMary's to schedule a home and home and broadcast that. Don't know, it was just interesting to see how little fan support there was, UD fans were loud, only saw 1 dude sitting behind St Mary's bench."
Response ... This was an ESPN created event ... thanks to the ESPN / Dayton connection ... we played a nationally ranked team on a neutral court ... as we all know this will be our future ... as long as UD supporters show up at the neutral court games!
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Response ... This was an ESPN created event ... thanks to the ESPN / Dayton connection ... we played a nationally ranked team on a neutral court ... as we all know this will be our future ... as long as UD supporters show up at the neutral court games!
Would love to see events like this much closer to home, 2 to 3 hours max, on a Saturday. Louisville and Indy top picks as nice arenas and plenty of dining options and nightclubs to make a weekend out of it. Cleveland, Columbus, or Cincy would work as well. With right opponent 5K wearing red and being loud would be very reasonable.
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Those of us that live in other parts of the country enjoy the fact that we can attend a game not in Dayton. Sunday was the first time they have ever played in Arizona.
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I thought it was St Mary's that did not want to continue the h/h with UD. I know they came away with a loss but I would hope someone from their athletic department along with UD's said - why don't we go back to h/h? The game atmosphere would be better and I have to believe that more money could be made by the schools with the home games than what they received/cost them for the game in Phoenix.
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Would love to see events like this much closer to home, 2 to 3 hours max, on a Saturday. Louisville and Indy top picks as nice arenas and plenty of dining options and nightclubs to make a weekend out of it. Cleveland, Columbus, or Cincy would work as well. With right opponent 5K wearing red and being loud would be very reasonable.
Anything else?
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I might be wrong, but I think the wife and I sat through a heart breaking loss to Purdue (Brian Cardinal) in Tucson at Arizona campus. Even the Purdue fans said the refs missed a late call. NCAA playoff game.
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I might be wrong, but I think the wife and I sat through a heart breaking loss to Purdue (Brian Cardinal) in Tucson at Arizona campus. Even the Purdue fans said the refs missed a late call. NCAA playoff game.
You are not wrong. I was there too. Heartbreaking loss.
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I was at that NCAA Tournament game as well. March of 2000. Brooks Hall with a late steal that should have helped win the game. Cardinal gets beat for the rebound on the missed FT by Hall but flops and gets the call.

Anyway, I think John meant first regular season game in AZ which I believe is true. I don't think the Flyers have played the likes of U of A, ASU, or anyone else here in their history. Phoenix was also the site of the 3OT loss to UCLA in 1974 along with another loss 2 days later in the "consolation game" to, I think, New Mexico St.
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I was at that NCAA Tournament game as well. March of 2000. Brooks Hall with a late steal that should have helped win the game. Cardinal gets beat for the rebound on the missed FT by Hall but flops and gets the call.

Anyway, I think John meant first regular season game in AZ which I believe is true. I don't think the Flyers have played the likes of U of A, ASU, or anyone else here in their history. Phoenix was also the site of the 3OT loss to UCLA in 1974 along with another loss 2 days later in the "consolation game" to, I think, New Mexico St.
I watched that game from the comfort of my home in Wisconsin back when you got one game to watch and that was whatever CBS decided to show you. I remember with about 2 or 3 minutes left, Flyers had hit back to back 3s to take a lead(something between 4 or 6 points I believe). Then, CBS decided that it was more important for us to see the end of #1 seeded Duke vs Lamar. So sat through 50 basketball seconds of watching Duke hold onto a 20 something lead. And then they returned to the our game and UD was down 3. I'm still majorly ****ed off about that crap today. For some reason it feels like they lost the lead because I couldn't watch them for that small period of time.
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[QUOTE=redbengal;603758]I was at that NCAA Tournament game as well. March of 2000. Brooks Hall with a late steal that should have helped win the game. Cardinal gets beat for the rebound on the missed FT by Hall but flops and gets the call.

Anyway, I think John meant first regular season game in AZ which I believe is true.

Or maybe John meant the first Saturday night game after daylight savings on an odd numbered day. Or maybe he really meant "EVER".

I know his memory is fading like the rest of ours.
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Actually, I saw that posted somewhere. But yes, my memory is fading. Where is the bathroom??
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