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Comparison to St Joe's run/season

Weve gotten by one traditionally tough opponent. Dukes and Richmond and St Lou round up the top tier.

On an overall note, to me this is shaping up to be a Jameer Nelson St Joes type of season. I think they went 28 -4 or something like that. I believe a 1 seed. Lost in Final 4.

Anyone else feel like we may just lose 3 or 4 games?
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Looking at wikipedia's. Think they lost in Elite 8.
To OKLAHOMA State.

Were 30 -1. Before losing to OSU.

Jameer Nelson. College Player of the Year.
Delonte West 18 per game
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Looking at wikipedia's. Think they lost in Elite 8.
To OKLAHOMA State.

Were 30 -1. Before losing to OSU.

Jameer Nelson. College Player of the Year.
Delonte West 18 per game
Their only loss was the first round of A10 tournament to Xavier.
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jameer Nelson and Delonte West were both 1st round
NBA draft picks...

the year before that, they were good also - 23-7,
with 2 of those losses being against UD... one of
their wins that year was at Gonzaga...
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They also hung a banner there for being a 1 seed. I'm a big proponent of banners and promoting your history and success. But please, let's never do that should we ever get a 1.
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If we only lose two games this season, it means there are some better banners that will represent our outstanding season.
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Their only loss was the first round of A10 tournament to Xavier.
This was at UD Arena, correct?
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This was at UD Arena, correct?
Yes. They were blown out by Xavier, who went on to defeat Flyers in tourney finals, from the opening tap.
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They also hung a banner there for being a 1 seed. I'm a big proponent of banners and promoting your history and success. But please, let's never do that should we ever get a 1.
Speaking of banners, what ever happened to ours? And I don't just mean anecdotally, where are the physical banners that used to hang in the Fieldhouse / Arena. Would love to see them hang somewhere in the concourses / Flight Deck, etc. Mix in some history with the new Arena.
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jameer Nelson and Delonte West were both 1st round
NBA draft picks...

the year before that, they were good also - 23-7,
with 2 of those losses being against UD... one of
their wins that year was at Gonzaga...
Yep.Going to take Crutcher to have far more games similar to his VCU effort and a much much better Chatman to get that far, imo....
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If chase were still around and viable I'd believe more fully in the main idea here.

On the other hand I believe it's very possible we end up with only 4 losses going into the A10
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Originally Posted by N2663R View Post
Speaking of banners, what ever happened to ours? And I don't just mean anecdotally, where are the physical banners that used to hang in the Fieldhouse / Arena. Would love to see them hang somewhere in the concourses / Flight Deck, etc. Mix in some history with the new Arena.
Do you mean the large felt ones? They sold them years ago, because I own one of them.
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Their only loss was the first round of A10 tournament to Xavier.
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This was at UD Arena, correct?
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Yes. They were blown out by Xavier, who went on to defeat Flyers in tourney finals, from the opening tap.
2004 A10 Tourney. That was before the double bye. Flyers 1 seed from the west. Joes the 1 seed from the east. Joes lost by 20 to X. Noon game on Thursday. That was also before the finals were moved from Saturday to Sunday.
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and then there is the debate,
do you want the team you root for to win
the conference tournament, 3 games potentially
in 3 days....

or, would you not mind if they lose
in the conference tournament and
are rested for the NCAA games...

you can always look back at the incredible
NC State run with Valvano, where if
they had NOT won the ACC tournament,
they probably would not of even made it...

then they keep winning, and winning
NCAA champions... from unranked to
national champions...

I am of the opinion, keep winning,
get hot... make this a magical season...
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UD hasn't won the A-10 championship outside of UD arena ever; heck I'm not sure if they've ever won a conference tournament championship outside of UD arena in any league. Give me an A-10 title then I'll worry about the NCAA championship.
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and then there is the debate,
do you want the team you root for to win
the conference tournament, 3 games potentially
in 3 days....

or, would you not mind if they lose
in the conference tournament and
are rested for the NCAA games...

you can always look back at the incredible
NC State run with Valvano, where if
they had NOT won the ACC tournament,
they probably would not of even made it...

then they keep winning, and winning
NCAA champions... from unranked to
national champions...

I am of the opinion, keep winning,
get hot... make this a magical season...
My guess, don't have time or desire to research it, is that you can find enough data to support either platform/path and that there's not ANY direct or significant data that separates one from the other.

These kids are well conditioned. Playing three games in 3 days the weekend before and then resting for 4 or 5 days vs playing 1 game and resting for 6 or 7 days is not significant (unless dealing with a short term injury). I think if they knew their opponent with that much preparation, that's an advantage, but everybody finds out their next opponent on Sunday night.
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UD hasn't won the A-10 championship outside of UD arena ever; heck I'm not sure if they've ever won a conference tournament championship outside of UD arena in any league. Give me an A-10 title then I'll worry about the NCAA championship.
I couldn't care less about winning A10 championship when we have what amounts to a possible NCAA championship team. Rarely does the best team in a multi-bid conference win their conference tournament. I believe there are many reasons for that and one being that everyone, including the team that is a lock for a high seeding is better off if it doesn't happen. The conference is certainly better off if they get team who's on the outside looking in to win the championship.

I'd be happy if the Flyers win their first A10 tournament game and then bow out because I believe playing all the way to Sunday is a disadvantage come the following Thursday or Friday. Conference championships and the bid that comes along with it are for teams that aren't sure.

It's basically the same thing that happens in week 17 in the NFL, teams that are locks are more concerned with going into the NCAA tournament healthy and fresh than they are about winning the conference tournament.

We right now have a normal 5 game stretch where we realize it's going to take a lot of hard work to win all 5.

How much harder would that be to do it in 8 to 10 days against teams that win along with you in the conference tournament plus two NCAA caliber teams? I want the easy road and if that means dropping down one seed, then that's what I want.

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Id be very happy with a conference championship. Maybe we should hold off on the National championship talk until we beat someone in the top 25
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I’d be very happy with a conference championship. Maybe we should hold off on the National championship talk until we beat someone in the top 25
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Yeah, well, since we've only had one opportunity and lost in OT, I can't hold that against us. This team is one of the best in college basketball this year, if you can't see that just because of our schedule, it's time to visit an optometrist. And if you want to argue that Colorado was another chance, I'd say they weren't ranked when we played them and they wouldn't be ranked had we beat them.

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Their only loss was the first round of A10 tournament to Xavier.

Actually it was in the second round/quarterfinals. Zavier beat St Bonnie in the first round.
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If they were to win the A-10, then proceed to win their first NCAA game (and hopefully beyond)


That would mean they would play 5 games (3 A-10 and 2 NCAA) in a 9 or 10 game stretch. In addition to that, they would have 5 days off prior to their 1st game in the A10 and another 4-5 days off prior to their sweet 16 matchup (yes please). So potentially they'd have 5 games over a 20 day stretch. Doesn't sound too taxing to 20ish year old young men in top physical condition. Addtionally, if this team is as good as you say (national title contender) than that means that at least 2 of those games (1st in the A10 and 1st in the NCAA) will be against a LaSalle level team or worse.


This isn't like the 6 man squad that had to play 3 games in the A10 tournament, then turn around and play mid week against Boise St, then on to Columbus to play Providence and Oklahoma and was clearly gassed. This team has more depth than that squad and won't have the mid-week first 4 game thrown into the mix. Plus this team is more talented.


Give me as much of this squad as possible; I'm holding out hope for 28 game win streak to close out the year (or whatever it would take), cause given the history of the 1 seed in the A-10 tournament and the craziness that is March, there is the chance that it could always end thud-thud and we're left feeling deflated.
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If they were to win the A-10, then proceed to win their first NCAA game (and hopefully beyond)


That would mean they would play 5 games (3 A-10 and 2 NCAA) in a 9 or 10 game stretch. In addition to that, they would have 5 days off prior to their 1st game in the A10 and another 4-5 days off prior to their sweet 16 matchup (yes please). So potentially they'd have 5 games over a 20 day stretch. Doesn't sound too taxing to 20ish year old young men in top physical condition. Addtionally, if this team is as good as you say (national title contender) than that means that at least 2 of those games (1st in the A10 and 1st in the NCAA) will be against a LaSalle level team or worse.


This isn't like the 6 man squad that had to play 3 games in the A10 tournament, then turn around and play mid week against Boise St, then on to Columbus to play Providence and Oklahoma and was clearly gassed. This team has more depth than that squad and won't have the mid-week first 4 game thrown into the mix. Plus this team is more talented.


Give me as much of this squad as possible; I'm holding out hope for 28 game win streak to close out the year (or whatever it would take), cause given the history of the 1 seed in the A-10 tournament and the craziness that is March, there is the chance that it could always end thud-thud and we're left feeling deflated.
Yeah, if they win those 5 initial games, they would be well rested for sweet 16, only having to play 2 games a week, 2 days apart the rest of the way. It's those 5 games to get to sweet 16 that I worry about. To me A10 tournament championship only means something when you need to get an auto-bid. Win the A10 regular season, take it easy through the conference tournament and be fresh and healthy for the big dance.
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Can we find a way to beat Saint Louis first?
I'm sure on Monday, you would've said "Can't we beat VCU first?".
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Ask UConn how it affected them...they won five games in five days to win the BE in 2011 and then won six games to win the National Title.
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Ask UConn how it affected them...they won five games in five days to win the BE in 2011 and then won six games to win the National Title.
Yeah, the exception, not the rule. Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round of the NFL draft, I don't understand why all teams don't wait until the 6th round to find their QB.

BTW, 3 years later UConn lost to Louisville in the final game of BE tourney and then went on to win 6 games in a row for National Title.

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UD hasn't won the A-10 championship outside of UD arena ever; heck I'm not sure if they've ever won a conference tournament championship outside of UD arena in any league. Give me an A-10 title then I'll worry about the NCAA championship.
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Originally Posted by CT Flyer View Post
Ask UConn how it affected them...they won five games in five days to win the BE in 2011 and then won six games to win the National Title.

And Zavier won four games in four days to win the A-10 Tournament in 2004, and made it to the Elite Eight, where they lost to Duke by three.
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Actually it was in the second round/quarterfinals. Zavier beat St Bonnie in the first round.
True, but it was St. Joes 1st game. As the 1 Seed from the East Division, St. Joe had a bye in the 1st round. Zavier, on the other hand, was the 4 Seed in the West, so they had to play the East 5 Seed (Bona) the day before.
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