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Hire Allie Laforce. Watch the bench instead of the game.
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Hire Allie Laforce. Watch the bench instead of the game.
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Allie LaForce is an unquestioned beauty. No doubt. But give me Tracy Wolfson.
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Okay guys here's the coaching staff sticking with my head coaching pick.

Head Coach: Becky Hammon
Assistant #1: Tim Duncan (He's gonna teach the fundamentals)
Assistant #2: Allie Laforce (Recruiting Coordinator)
Assistant #3: Ray Harper (Has won at least 9 national championships)
Coordinator of Basketball Ops: Tracy Wolfson (This is just to make BRob2Perryman3 happy)
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Originally Posted by C-time View Post
Okay guys here's the coaching staff sticking with my head coaching pick.

Head Coach: Becky Hammon
Assistant #1: Tim Duncan (He's gonna teach the fundamentals)
Assistant #2: Allie Laforce (Recruiting Coordinator)
Assistant #3: Ray Harper (Has won at least 9 national championships)
Coordinator of Basketball Ops: Tracy Wolfson (This is just to make BRob2Perryman3 happy)
I'm sold. If this happened, ESPN would just move their headquarters to Stewart Street on Becky Hammon alone.

C-Time you wouldn't happen to have a picture that could accurately describe the state of the program if we aren't happy with the hire and all recruits bolt would you?
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Old 03-29-2017, 07:11 PM
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Anthony Grant update from Billy Donovan:

http://m.newsok.com/donovan-nothing-...rticle/5543555

Sounds to me like Grant is mulling things over.
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Allie LaForce is an unquestioned beauty. No doubt. But give me Tracy Wolfson.
One of these things is not like the other.
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I would laugh for days if it ended up being becky hammon! I think she and Allie Laforce as recruiting coordinator would be a great combo.

I realize it was posted as a joke but could you imagine becky hammon or any other experienced nba assistant taking the job? THAT would certainly bring recruits in.

I didn't realize Grant was working as an nba assistant right now. I would think that this would open recruiting doors. He could help point guards become the next triple double machine. I would think that his abilities have probably grown in the two years since Alabama

The only problem having Allie as an assistant would be when the player was having a bad game. You pull the player and say "you suck tonight, go down there and talk to Allie" There wouldn't be much motivation to do your best from the beginning.

Make it so!

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I would laugh for days if it ended up being becky hammon! I think she and Allie Laforce as recruiting coordinator would be a great combo.

I realize it was posted as a joke but could you imagine becky hammon or any other experienced nba assistant taking the job? THAT would certainly bring recruits in.
Like Anthony Grant?
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Originally Posted by C-time View Post
Okay guys here's the coaching staff sticking with my head coaching pick.

Head Coach: Becky Hammon
Assistant #1: Tim Duncan (He's gonna teach the fundamentals)
Assistant #2: Allie Laforce (Recruiting Coordinator)
Assistant #3: Ray Harper (Has won at least 9 national championships)
Coordinator of Basketball Ops: Tracy Wolfson (This is just to make BRob2Perryman3 happy)

Oh come on, man. Harper as the 3rd assistant coach?! You really think he would accept that kind of position?

The rest of your list is totally realistic and reasonable, though.
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Oh come on, man. Harper as the 3rd assistant coach?! You really think he would accept that kind of position?

The rest of your list is totally realistic and reasonable, though.
But he's getting paid the same as Allie. 400k each. Coach Duncan has agreed to work for $1 because he gets to teach fundamentals.
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So I'm thinking that either there was no clear number 1 choice on the replacement list or if there was we are down to number 2, 3 or 4.
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I think the number one was Grant. It sounds to me like he has been approached, but hasn't given Dayton an indication whether he wants to do this. So I think we may be in a holding pattern on number one. That's my read from the way Billy Donovan addressed the situation before tonight's Thunder game.

Now, I also read where John Brannen was asked whether he was ever approached about the Miami job. He said no, and that he wouldn't have been interested in that anyway. But then he seemingly brushed off a Dayton question. He'll talk about jobs he doesn't want, but no comment on the one he's trying to get. So my guess is that if they get past Grant down to Brannen, things will escalate quickly.

But like I said, I am really guessing here...
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If it is Grant it'd be smart to hold off the hire so he can contact recruits during the NCAA dead period
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If it is Grant it'd be smart to hold off the hire so he can contact recruits during the NCAA dead period
When is that and does it prohibit contact with incoming freshman who have committed to the program? Cause re-recruiting those kids is the first order of business.

Anyway, I think you are suggesting that Grant could operate outside NCAA restrictions to recruit by not formally accepting the job until a later date? As a booster even, he can't just go out there and recruit on the university's behalf. No way that's permisssable.

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When is that and does it prohibit contact with incoming freshman who have committed to the program? Cause re-recruiting those kids is the first order of business.

Anyway, I think you are suggesting that Grant could operate outside NCAA restrictions to recruit by not formally accepting the job until a later date? As a booster even, he can't just go out there and recruit on the university's behalf. No way that's permisssable.
March 30- April 6th is the dead period

Bob Huggins when he got fired from UC was doing it with Mayo & Walker even though he didn't have job.

He's not a college coach so he's not covered by contact rules. If he wants to strike up a conversation or gage interest he can

He'll know pretty quick what the recruits are doing. MW will probably be the quickest but I'm sure if he's hired and the current staff turnovers and some other folks will bolt quick too

This way he can get a head start on reaching out to folks and gauging to fill the class. Maybe he brings former BG assistant Billly Schmidt with OKC and they can start figuring out
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Now, I also read where John Brannen was asked whether he was ever approached about the Miami job. He said no, and that he wouldn't have been interested in that anyway. But then he seemingly brushed off a Dayton question. He'll talk about jobs he doesn't want, but no comment on the one he's trying to get. So my guess is that if they get past Grant down to Brannen, things will escalate quickly.
i don't know much about him, but brannen is a "ho hum" option when we were prepared to pay archie $3M/year to become a perennial top 25 program. presumably gone to umass, chattanooga's matt mccall intrigues me more than brannen.

HUGE MOMENT for our program -- i hope we GO BIG and/or promote ostrom or kuwik. i wouldn't be a bit surprised if a dark horse emerges. they've kept this search super tight-lipped.
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Oh my god. Which one of you is feeding Goodman names?

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Illinois State's Dan Muller has emerged as a serious candidate at Dayton, source told ESPN.
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That would be interesting... Dude is a heck of a coach
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Oh my god. Which one of you is feeding Goodman names?

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Illinois State's Dan Muller has emerged as a serious candidate at Dayton, source told ESPN.
Well Dan Muller is much better than Goodman's afternoon Ron Hunter tweet.
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That would be interesting... Dude is a heck of a coach
Muller's never made an NCAA tourney. And he tweeted this a few days ago: https://twitter.com/DanMuller/status/844015272231129088

Seems like those two things should disqualify him but talk me into it guys.
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I don't see Dan Muller as being a candidate. He's an ISU grad who's built a great program not doubt but he's not leaving Bloomington.
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Muller? Two NITs and one CBI in six years. One decent year (22 wins), one great year (28 wins), a bunch of barely-above-.500 years and never been to the Dance. Was an assistant at Vandy under Gene Stallings who is mediocre at best and currently ruining the program at Pitt. Not much of a track record, in my opinion.
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I don't see Dan Muller as being a candidate. He's an ISU grad who's built a great program not doubt but he's not leaving Bloomington.
You mean Normal. Not Bloomington. I'm sure it's lovely.

I came across an interesting twitter account the other day: @d1hiresandfires

They tweeted this a week or so ago:

Dan Muller is trying hard for OKState and any other "bigger" job. Was built for this year, knowing a step back was coming. #Scoop #NCAA
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Why wouldn't he leave? Wouldn't Dayton be an upgrade from ISU? Bigger fan base, better conference, "destination job", more money? I thought these guys were all about moving on up...isn't that why Archie left?
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Muller? Two NITs and one CBI in six years. One decent year (22 wins), one great year (28 wins), a bunch of barely-above-.500 years and never been to the Dance. Was an assistant at Vandy under Gene Stallings who is mediocre at best and currently ruining the program at Pitt. Not much of a track record, in my opinion.
Yeah, so those were pretty much my initial thoughts too...
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Muller? Two NITs and one CBI in six years. One decent year (22 wins), one great year (28 wins), a bunch of barely-above-.500 years and never been to the Dance. Was an assistant at Vandy under Gene Stallings who is mediocre at best and currently ruining the program at Pitt. Not much of a track record, in my opinion.
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Yeah, so those were pretty much my initial thoughts too...
So you guys are saying you prefer Ray Harper?
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Why wouldn't he leave? Wouldn't Dayton be an upgrade from ISU? Bigger fan base, better conference, "destination job", more money? I thought these guys were all about moving on up...isn't that why Archie left?
Dayton is a much better gig. The question isn't why would Muller want Dayton. The question is why would Dayton want Muller!
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He would recruit players to play for him, not a particular school. And because Huggins was not affiliated with any school, the rules that govern coaches’ interactions with players would not apply to him. The advantage was ingenious.

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/c...e-bob-huggins/

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Seems to me one of the biggest requirements would be knowledge of the OH, IN, IL, MI area for recruiting, having those relationships in place. Assuming Grant doesn't have them, and assuming Ostrom wouldn't stay, where does that leave you, other than starting from scratch in building them up. That to me, likely means not only losing this year's recruits, but also struggling with quality recruits for the next few years. Maybe Grant would have some sort of cachet, having previously been a HC twice and having some NBA asst coach experience, but would that be enough?
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You mean Normal. Not Bloomington. I'm sure it's lovely.

I came across an interesting twitter account the other day: @d1hiresandfires

They tweeted this a week or so ago:

Dan Muller is trying hard for OKState and any other "bigger" job. Was built for this year, knowing a step back was coming. #Scoop #NCAA
Bloomington and Normal are side by side in the middle of Illinois. You are correct ISU is actually in Normal.
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Muller? Two NITs and one CBI in six years. One decent year (22 wins), one great year (28 wins), a bunch of barely-above-.500 years and never been to the Dance. Was an assistant at Vandy under Gene Stallings who is mediocre at best and currently ruining the program at Pitt. Not much of a track record, in my opinion.
kenpom numbers good for MVC. Offemse all over the place. Defense steady progression.

2013 = 64 (61 offense and 88 defense)
2014 = 148 (230 offense and 81 defense)
2015 = 62 (102 offense and 44 defense)
2016 = 120 (182 offense and 72 defense)
2017 = 49 (115 offense and 19 defense)

Hard to get a bid in MVC. Basically 1 bid conference now and Wichita State has that locked up every year. So lack of NCAAs might not be that concerning.

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Seems to me one of the biggest requirements would be knowledge of the OH, IN, IL, MI area for recruiting, having those relationships in place. Assuming Grant doesn't have them, and assuming Ostrom wouldn't stay, where does that leave you, other than starting from scratch in building them up. That to me, likely means not only losing this year's recruits, but also struggling with quality recruits for the next few years. Maybe Grant would have some sort of cachet, having previously been a HC twice and having some NBA asst coach experience, but would that be enough?
Grant's biggest success was recruiting Florida. Got Larry Sanders & Joey Rodriguez out of there. Might focus in different areas

My personal biggest fear with Grant are his assistants. Other than John Brennan who got the Northern Kentucky it was a bunch of guys that moved way in terms of programs like Dan Hipsher(I like Dan)
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I'm not a fan of Muller but he took a big blow when his Center Reggie Lynch transferred out of there and went to Minnesota

He ended up with Teddy Hawkins from Dunbar who we were recruiting for a while
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I kind of expected Illinois State fans to be outraged by the news, but they generally seem to agree Dayton's the better gig. They are quite understanding as to why Muller, an ISU alum no less, would leave them for Dayton: http://redbirdfan.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9842
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Update: Good chance Muller would bring MiKylie McIntosh with him as a grad transfer. Secind team all MVC player.

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Update: Good chance Muller would bring MiKylie McIntosh with him as a grad transfer. Secind team all MVC player.

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I can't wait to see how many people say this is great.

I will then go check their posts to see if they have condemned McKinley Wright for even considering going to Indiana.

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Good point, c-time. Can't have it both ways.

We've been dreaming big on this board. No guarantee Grant or promoting current assistant delivers the promised land, but muller? Making $500k maybe, zero NCAA appearances? At a time when we're asking for increased fan commitment & arena renovations? Stay tuned.
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Looking at John Brannen from Northern Kentucky some more I think there's a pretty good case to be made for him. He's 43 from Northern Kentucky and played for Billy Donovan at Marshall. Was an Anthony Grant at VCU & Alabama.

He was an assistant for 3 years at St Bonaventure under Anthony Solomon in the early 2000s so he has some lay of the land in the A10.

2 years plus a couple games in the NIT isn't much of a body work but what he's done with Northern Kentucky in a short amount of time is really impressive. He took over a program that was transitioning from D2 in the Atlantic Sun to the Horizon League. NKU's first 3 years in D1 their RPI was 272, 310 & 265 before he got there. This was a bad team.

His first season at NKU their RPI was 296 with 9 wins. His second season an RPI of 87, 24 wins and NCAA tourney bid. The second biggest win turnaround in the NCAA this year and probably one of the few if only schools ever to make the NCAA tourney in their first year eligible after moving up from DII.

Making the transition from Division 2 to 1 isn't easy. Dane Fife at Michigan St really struggled at IP-Fort Wayne when they moved up.

The most impressive part of what he did to me is that in two years he rebuilt this roster with mostly his players. 3 of the 5 starters are his guys and those 3 starters are the three leading scorers. 7 of the 9 man rotation he uses are his recruits; 3 sophomores, 3 freshman and a junior.

He had a sophomore Drew McDonald who was first team all conference and a freshman Carson Williams who was all the freshman team. Against UK in the tourney Williams had 21 and McDonald had 14. Their program is set up to a contender over the next couple of years in the Horizon.

Matt McCall gets a lot of hype because he's a Donovan protege who took over a program and won with Will Wade's players in year one. Year 2 the team underachieves with Wade's guys.

Brannen takes over a program that's about as bad as the VMI team the Flyers played this year and year 2 moves their RPI over 200 points down and puts them in the tourney with his roster. The Horizon is down from the days of Butler but that's still a feat.

NKU's roster is mostly Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana players. Whether it's NKU or elsewhere it'll be interesting to see what he can do when has some tangible success sell on the recruiting trail
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The longer this goes and the more I hear names like Hunter, Muller, Brennan.....the less I think Neil will get this right. But that's fine, not bothering me, I'm sleeping just fine!! I always post at 2a.m.
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Looking at John Brannen from Northern Kentucky some more I think there's a pretty good case to be made for him.

2 years plus a couple games in the NIT isn't much of a body work but what he's done with Northern Kentucky in a short amount of time is really impressive. He took over a program that was transitioning from D2 in the Atlantic Sun to the Horizon League. NKU's first 3 years in D1 their RPI was 272, 310 & 265 before he got there. This was a bad team.

His first season at NKU their RPI was 296 with 9 wins. His second season an RPI of 87, 24 wins and NCAA tourney bid. The second biggest win turnaround in the NCAA this year and probably one of the few if only schools ever to make the NCAA tourney in their first year eligible after moving up from DII.

Making the transition from Division 2 to 1 isn't easy. Dane Fife at Michigan St really struggled at IP-Fort Wayne when they moved up.

Brannen takes over a program that's about as bad as the VMI team the Flyers played this year and year 2 moves their RPI over 200 points down and puts them in the tourney with his roster. The Horizon is down from the days of Butler but that's still a feat.
Yeah, I agree, he really turned things around from year 1 to year 2.

I could maybe be talked into supporting Brannen.


And BTW, who had the biggest win turnaround this year?

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Outside of the assistants, the names being thrown around sure seems like this big time job isn't quite so big.
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I can't wait to see how many people say this is great.

I will then go check their posts to see if they have condemned McKinley Wright for even considering going to Indiana.

Be consistent people or you may get called out!
Seems distinguishable because he is a grad transfer. Also we are full on ships right now so that would mean somebody goes (and it isn't going to be someone we want to go).
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Seems distinguishable because he is a grad transfer. Also we are full on ships right now so that would mean somebody goes (and it isn't going to be someone we want to go).

We're more likely to win the national championship this year 2017, than not losing one of the incoming guys after this hire.
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I can't wait to see how many people say this is great.

I will then go check their posts to see if they have condemned McKinley Wright for even considering going to Indiana.

Be consistent people or you may get called out!
I'm not a big fan of the grad transfer rule, but this is apples and oranges. A kid who signed an NLI as an incoming freshman cannot be contacted by another school while under NLI. Conversely a kid who graduates has an absolute right to attend any school he wishes as long as he 1) graduates and 2) the new school has a grad program not offered.
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The longer this goes and the more I hear names like Hunter, Muller, Brennan.....the less I think Neil will get this right. But that's fine, not bothering me, I'm sleeping just fine!! I always post at 2a.m.
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Agree - the longer this drags out the worse the feeling that we aren't getting the guys who were at the top of our list. Question is why.
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Allie Laforce is the exception not the rule for a 28 year old woman. Still, give me 42 year old Tracy Wolfson.

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Seems distinguishable because he is a grad transfer. Also we are full on ships right now so that would mean somebody goes (and it isn't going to be someone we want to go).
If we keep two of our commits that would be good in my opinion. There will 100% be openings. Naive to think otherwise.
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Dan Muller. Eesh. No thanks.
I would have agreed two days ago. Then Ron Hunter's name came up. Genius move by administration...makes me okay with basically anybody.
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Dan Muller is a warming, getting hot property. His name has been mentioned in regard to openings at Illinois, Missouri, North Carolina State, and others. He has outrecruited the prior coach who took SMU to top 15 ranking. Plus, he got some favorable pub for his Tweets. It really is cool that he worked out a game with Ole Miss through Tweets.
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DaytonDandy was banned? First we lost Archie and now DaytonDandy, this is the worst off-season ever.
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Okay since there are more and more HC names interested in the HC job at Dayton I frigued I would help Neil by doing the Ben Franklin approach.



Take each candidate and list their pros and cons with a value then calculate it all at the end without any emotional input for or against any candidate.


The way it works take a pro like number of years as HC i.e. 6 yrs so he would get a 6 in the pro column. If he had 2 bad years out of these 6 then he would get a minus 2 in the con column etc.


After painstaking tedious labor inputting all the pros and cons of each candidate, am now ready to let the computer pick our next head coach without the human bias so often attached.


Drum roll please......


And the next head coach for the The University of Dayton selected by the unbiased computer is......

.....Ray Harper WTF he wasn't even in the calculations....Someone hacked my computer...I need a new computer
There has to be a way that KenPom can tell us who the best coach to hire would be, no???
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I'm not a big fan of the grad transfer rule, but this is apples and oranges. A kid who signed an NLI as an incoming freshman cannot be contacted by another school while under NLI. Conversely a kid who graduates has an absolute right to attend any school he wishes as long as he 1) graduates and 2) the new school has a grad program not offered.
First of all, very few kids who actually use the grad school enroll in a program not offered by their former university. That was the original intent but it has essentially been written out of the rules because no two graduate programs are actually the same. Different professors, curriculum, reputations, etc. If you are allowing a kid to transfer upon graduation to select the graduate school of his choosing, why would you restrict where he can go?

Imagine this: a kid chooses to attend a university on basketball scholarship - no idea what he wants to do in life - but ultimately decides to become an engineer. He wants to get his masters, and his school offers it but it's literally one of the lowest ranked engineering programs in the country, with limited professional connections in an area of the country he doesn't really envision himself wanting to live. On the other hand, he's got an offer for a top ranked program in the state he wants to live in the future. It's clearly the best fit for him academically. So why wouldn't he be able to go there?

Of course, we all know that 99% of the time it's about basketball and basketball only, but if you're going to have the grad transfer rule under the guise of it allowing the academic freedom that's been earned by your graduating, you can't police it by saying it has to be to a grad program that your school doesn't offer. The NCAA realized this quickly after the rule went into affect and therefore, this part of it has simply gone away.

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Originally Posted by TA111 View Post
I'm not a big fan of the grad transfer rule, but this is apples and oranges. A kid who signed an NLI as an incoming freshman cannot be contacted by another school while under NLI. Conversely a kid who graduates has an absolute right to attend any school he wishes as long as he 1) graduates and 2) the new school has a grad program not offered.
And second of all - as it relates to the conundrum we could find ourselves in:

What really hurts worse?

A) Lose a kid you've invested 3-4 years in developing to the point of him becoming an all-conference player for what should be the best performing season of his collegiate career.

B) Lose a kid who you think might be a really great player whom you've invested recruiting resources in, but who hasn't worn the uniform/enrolled at the university.

With A, it's just one year you're missing out on (but the best one).

With B it's four, but you don't know exactly what you're missing out on.

Both stink.

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First of all, very few kids who actually use the grad school enroll in a program not offered by their former university. That was the original intent but it has essentially been written out of the rules because no two graduate programs are actually the same. Different professors, curriculum, reputations, etc. If you are allowing a kid to transfer upon graduation to select the graduate school of his choosing, why would you restrict where he can go?

Imagine this: a kid chooses to attend a university on basketball scholarship - no idea what he wants to do in life - but ultimately decides to become an engineer. He wants to get his masters, and his school offers it but it's literally one of the lowest ranked engineering programs in the country, with limited professional connections in an area of the country he doesn't really envision himself wanting to live. On the other hand, he's got an offer for a top ranked program in the state he wants to live in the future. It's clearly the best fit for him academically. So why wouldn't he be able to go there?

Of course, we all know that 99% of the time it's about basketball and basketball only, but if you're going to have the grad transfer rule under the guise of it allowing the academic freedom that's been earned by your graduating, you can't police it by saying it has to be to a grad program that your school doesn't offer. The NCAA realized this quickly after the rule went into affect and therefore, this part of it has simply gone away.
I agree in theory but like you also say it's almost always about basketball. The last report on it I heard said that the majority of the grad transfers drop out after the season is complete.
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So it's Crean, Grant, Kuwick, Ostrom, or Ray Harper, right?

Any chance some other name slips into the short list that we are all missing?
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muller slipped in today. You need to get on twitter.
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So it's Crean, Grant, Kuwick, Ostrom, or Ray Harper, right?

Any chance some other name slips into the short list that we are all missing?
Sounds like the most likely 5 candidates at this point are:

Anthony Grant
Tom Ostrom
James Whitford
John Groce
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Yeah, I agree, he really turned things around from year 1 to year 2.

I could maybe be talked into supporting Brannen.


And BTW, who had the biggest win turnaround this year?
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Sounds like the most likely 5 candidates at this point are:

Anthony Grant
Tom Ostrom
James Whitford
John Groce
Dan Muller
I think Brannen is every bit as likely as those 5. Both sides refuse to comment. Brannen won't sign anything with NKU because I think he knows he is very much in the running.

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I think Brannen is every bit as likely as those 5. Both sides refuse to comment. Brannen won't sign anything with NKU because I think he knows he is very much in the running.

http://www.thenortherner.com/sports/...ys-no-comment/
You're correct....I forgot about him.
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This way he can get a head start on reaching out to folks and gauging to fill the class. Maybe he brings former BG assistant Billly Schmidt with OKC and they can start figuring out
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I'd prefer Whitford, Ostrom, or Muller

Ostrom for continuity and he has a pretty solid resume as an assistant.

Whitford and Muller have both taken marginal programs to the top of their respective conferences in a short amount of time after taking over a sub .500 team.

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Jablonski just tweeted. It's Grant! There's a picture with him and Sullivan announcing the new hire!

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