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04-08-2014, 04:47 PM
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CBS Sports Discusses UD hoops
Dana Jacobson, Seth Davis, Steve Lappas and Wally Szczerbiak discuss if Dayton can build on their tournament success and return next year.
Some great comments about UD, Archie, the A-10 and the Flyer Faithful!
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04-08-2014, 04:54 PM
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"There aren't many jobs that are better than Dayton........"
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04-08-2014, 04:56 PM
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Great Find! "They will be fine as long as ARchie Miller is in charge"
Since UDBaby beat me to my quote
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04-08-2014, 05:56 PM
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Like the fact they see Archie staying for up to 10 years. Great facilities, phenomenal fan support, University and community committed, all good stuff.
Now just do it.
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It starts now with getting two quality big guys.
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04-08-2014, 07:20 PM
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What they left out but what most of us know: a man of his means can live like an absolute king in a place like the gem city.
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04-08-2014, 08:57 PM
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They really nailed it about the A10. At least for now. A multi-bid league with a few really weak teams so that you can relatively easily land in the top few slots for a bid. We haven't, unfortunately. But it would be easier to get regular bids at UD than it would be at a mediocre school in the ACC or Big Ten.
Defections, of course, could change that.
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04-09-2014, 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Avid Flyer
Like the fact they see Archie staying for up to 10 years. Great facilities, phenomenal fan support, University and community committed, all good stuff.
Now just do it.
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He actually said for the "next 10-20 years!!"
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04-09-2014, 09:49 AM
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In the current state of college basketball, I would think a young successful coach would want to be careful and selective if and when making a move. There just isn't that much a mid-tier team in a big conference can offer over a team like UD (at least once you've got it going, which hopefully Archie does), and it comes with a lot of risk. Sean Miller wasn't leaving XU, for say, Purdue or Minnesota, he was only going to leave for a legit big-time, national title contender program, of which there are only 10-15 schools that qualify. And if you look, the sort of mid-tier "majors" are not poaching much from the likes of UD, they're poaching MAC, Horizon types or lower HCs, or assistants (BG to GT being a different situation, as we all know).
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04-09-2014, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by flyer2003
And if you look, the sort of mid-tier "majors" are not poaching much from the likes of UD, they're poaching BIG EAST, MAC, Horizon types or lower HCs, or assistants (BG to GT being a different situation, as we all know).
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Fixed it for you
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04-09-2014, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Whacker
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Isn't it being redundant saying Big East and lower conferences?
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04-09-2014, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by flyer2003
In the current state of college basketball, I would think a young successful coach would want to be careful and selective if and when making a move. There just isn't that much a mid-tier team in a big conference can offer over a team like UD (at least once you've got it going, which hopefully Archie does), and it comes with a lot of risk. Sean Miller wasn't leaving XU, for say, Purdue or Minnesota, he was only going to leave for a legit big-time, national title contender program, of which there are only 10-15 schools that qualify. And if you look, the sort of mid-tier "majors" are not poaching much from the likes of UD, they're poaching MAC, Horizon types or lower HCs, or assistants (BG to GT being a different situation, as we all know).
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I know I've been accused of not seeing this clearly (my comments on the AM interviewed on Dan Patrick Show thread)...and I clearly understand and admit to my Kool-Aid induced, inebriated state of mind bout this.....
BUT.............
( pauses to belch while dipping slightly cracked jelly jar into plastic tub of spiked red bev)
...IMO, I don't see Archie itchin to get outta Dodge..I mean Dayton for the first $$$million waved in his face.
Flyer '03 is right.....Archie is smart in a lot of ways, one of which is that he is a great student of the game and the game withing the game having absorbed all the lessons from his dad, Sean and his mentors...One of which is that the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the brackets even if there are $100 bills growing on the lawns at Wake or Clemson or marq..( how do you spell the name of that dungeon again?).
IMO...You don't leave a UD once you've got it going (good point Flyer 03) for any job BCS or otherwise unless its for a major program that routinely has a shot to be in contender for a national title. To do otherwise risks taking your career down a level that you may never recover from or that will be extremely hard to recover from.
gotta go and find some more pure grain for the tub...Flyer Faithful hitting it early, hard and often...but it tastes sooooo good!
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04-09-2014, 01:14 PM
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I wasn't completely sure how I felt about Archie and him moving on to another job until a bit recently, where it truly seems that he understand the Flyer Faithful way more with the Elite 8 run. When he said that UD has just as good fans as any other top team in the country, it surely sounded sincere. As soon as he leaves, the question will be why he leaves? Fixing a dumpster-fire? Going to an alma-mater or life-long dream job?
Let's turn the tables on the Archie moving on situation, and what will it take for the writing to be on the wall that he has outlived his job here, and have to take the first train out of Dodge?
With Gregory it was that we never got over the hump, he didn't change his coaching methods, didn't listen to assistants (apparently), so he went to Georgia Tech. As far as I'm aware outside of those items, he would have been here for awhile.
So, with that said, what would it take for Miller to take the first swath of benjamins waving in front of him, if the school calling isn't a top name school (Duke, UNC, etc.), or NCState or Pittsburgh?
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04-09-2014, 01:29 PM
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Buzz Williams had some strangeness behind it, BG wasn't exactly begged to stay, so I'm not really looking at those "change of scenery" deals. I'm talking in the straightforward "big school wants to poach small school's talent", there seems to me to have been a shift -- Shaka Smart, Stevens (before NBA got him PAID), Mooney, Few, and Sean Miller until 'Zona called have prob all turned down the Clemsons, Minnesotas, etc of the world. There was a time not long ago where that didn't happen. If everything is going good at UD, I just don't see the upside of jumping to Clemson if you're young. I actually have to say this is why I was shocked Stephens and Smart reportedly turned down UCLA -- that seems to be in that category of super elite or super big $$ schools, i.e., Crean leaving for I.U.
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04-09-2014, 01:33 PM
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To answer Figgie's question:
Hitting the A-10 wall?...and in doing so losing a bit of the gravitas from this season. In that case, perhaps his reputation will still be valuable enough to earn him a handsome payday at a program that has a better chance to grow into the stepping stone he may be looking for in this profession?
Stunted growth at UD is the only thing I can come up with....and, not to belabor the same point over and over, but one of the main factors for hoping/speculating that he'll be planting some kind of roots here at UD is his ability to steer our program forward.
Think about this......how valuable, and how hot of a commodity will/would AM be if he was the coach to finally deliver the proud, though long suffering, UD program to national prominence? (to say nothing of what that will do to my liver and the task confronting the various Dayton social control agencies). I bet it would be enough for him to write his own ticket for an available job....or perhaps keep his job at UD?
It will be like Messier winning the Stanley Cup for the Rangers!!!! (kinda)
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Originally Posted by flyer2003
Buzz Williams had some strangeness behind it, BG wasn't exactly begged to stay, so I'm not really looking at those "change of scenery" deals. I'm talking in the straightforward "big school wants to poach small school's talent", there seems to me to have been a shift -- Shaka Smart, Stevens (before NBA got him PAID), Mooney, Few, and Sean Miller until 'Zona called have prob all turned down the Clemsons, Minnesotas, etc of the world. There was a time not long ago where that didn't happen. If everything is going good at UD, I just don't see the upside of jumping to Clemson if you're young. I actually have to say this is why I was shocked Stephens and Smart reportedly turned down UCLA -- that seems to be in that category of super elite or super big $$ schools, i.e., Crean leaving for I.U.
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I had dinner with a guy from Atlanta that made a comment along the lines that people down there think they got the wrong Dayton coach. I said something along the lines that the majority were happy to see BG go and that he was sort of pushed out. He was very surprised. It is like they really did not know what the situation was surrounding BG's departure from UD at all.
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04-09-2014, 03:54 PM
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And let's all bow our heads and give thanks to a certain Richmond head coach who turned down Georgia Tech paving the way for where Dayton is today.
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