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Old 12-19-2013, 02:46 PM
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Also IIRC, Monson kicked a number of guys off the team that were projected to be starters this year.
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USC loses at Long Beach State (1-9 but no D-1 wins but SOS #13) 72-71. Got down by 16 early in second half, took the lead with a minute left, but lost by 1. They could come in Sunday down in the dumps -or loaded for bear.
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USC loses at Long Beach State (1-9 but no D-1 wins but SOS #13) 72-71. Got down by 16 early in second half, took the lead with a minute left, but lost by 1. They could come in Sunday down in the dumps -or loaded for bear.

They better save that 'loaded for bear' for UCLA or Cal - it won't do them any good in the Dayton Decibel Dungeon.

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UMASS looking good against FSU. They could be the team to beat in the A10. Announcer said they haven't Neenah to the NCAA since 1998.
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games of interest....some interest anyway!

Wow...Georgetown gets blown out by Kansas (away game)!

Looks like SJU beat Youngstown State though....

X playing Anthony's team in 'Bama later on tonight...
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Old 12-21-2013, 05:07 PM
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UMass loses by 5. They got a ridiculous call against them in the last few seconds, when a dunk was disallowed for hanging on the rim. There was a Florida St guy right under him as he dunked. Silly call especially at the end of the game.

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3P Made-Attempted 1-15 (.067) 1-7 (.143)
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There was some bad shooting in the UMass game, combined 2-22 on threes

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Our new member, Davidson, takes North Carolina to overtime before losing. One of their guards had 7 threes.

VCU demolishes Virginia Tech by 30.
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A10 6-2 on the day, with Fordham and UMass being the stumblers.

VCU tore up Va tech as previous poster mentioned .
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Notre Dame with one of the all time collapses - up 8 with the ball and under a minute to go (58-50 with 58 seconds left) - lose to tosu in regulation 64-61 at MSG. Turnover city.
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Notre Dame with one of the all time collapses - up 8 with the ball and under a minute to go (58-50 with 58 seconds left) - lose to tosu in regulation 64-61 at MSG. Turnover city.
I was watching the game and turned it off, thinking it was over. tOSU couldn't get anything to drop. All of a sudden they started pressing and ND folded like a cheap suit. As UD69 indicates, it was one of the biggest collapses I have seen in a long time. Fortunately, I went back and watched it and was amazed how quickly that game turned. ND was running a good half-court game the entire second half; once tOSU made it a full-court game, their athleticism took over. tOSU is still vulnerable to the zone, however, as they desperately need a John Diebler type to shoot from outside.
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Watched Marquette choke one away to New Mexico in the second half. Lobos win 75-68.
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Old 12-22-2013, 01:26 AM
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Watched Marquette choke one away to New Mexico in the second half. Lobos win 75-68.

That might have been a play-in game for the Tournament . . .

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I think Notre Dame must have watched our ladies' team play, as they did the same thing in two games.

OSU is a joke to be #3. They have played one away game, Marquette, and no one respectable. Ditto on Louisville. If that was UD, we would be #25 or unranked.
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UMass loses by 5. They got a ridiculous call against them in the last few seconds, when a dunk was disallowed for hanging on the rim. There was a Florida St guy right under him as he dunked. Silly call especially at the end of the game.
Ok, let's see.

1. He missed the dunk.
2. It was offensive basket interference.
3. Nobody was underneath him.
4. They could've easily called a travel prior to the entry pass on that play.

There's nothing to legitimately complain about.

Art. 2. Basket interference
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Cut and dry.
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OSU is a joke to be #3. They have played one away game, Marquette, and no one respectable. Ditto on Louisville. If that was UD, we would be #25 or unranked.
That's the way of the world. Those teams get credit for having been good more often than not. Dayton, more often than not, isn't good.
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12/28/13

The A-10 recovered somewhat from a disastrous past six days (2-6), going 4-2 tonight.

U-Mass got back in the win column with a two point overtime victory over BE foe Providence, 69-67. GW joins U-Mass with a sparkling 11-1 record, coming from behind to defeat Hofstra 69-58. VCU goes to 11-3 with an easy victory over Boston college, 69-50 and Richmond claimed a 67-58 win over ODU.

Fordham's comeback fell short in a 94-86 loss to 11-1 Harvard, and Southern Miss (12-2) pulled away in the second half for a 77-64 road win at Rhode Island.

Other Flyer foes in action tonight:
Gonzaga over Santa Clara 74-60,
Cal over Furman 90-60,
and Iona loses to Northern Iowa 90-78.

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Jan 29 results, Jan 30 schedule

Dec 29 A-10 results:

Dayton (10-3) over Murray St (5-7) at home, 72-51
Duquesne (6-5) road win over Texas Pan-American (4-10), 88-69
St Joe's (7-4) home win over Boston U (7-6), 73-67

Flyer foe results:

IPFW (10-5) lost at home to Eastern KY (9-4), 90-68
Georgia Tech (9-4) with a road win at Charlotte (8-4), 58-55
USC (9-5) over Howard (3-13) at home, 82-60
Winthrop (6-5) with a double overtime loss at Hampton (6-7), 95-101

A-10 games today:

The Bonnies 6-6) host Delaware (8-4)
Fordham (7-5) travels to Sienna (4-8)
St Louis (11-2) at Vanderbilt (7-3)

Other Flyer opponents in action today:

St Francis NY (8-5) at Delaware St (2-9)
San Francisco (8-5) at #24 Gonzaga (11-2)
Oral Roberts (6-6) at #9 Baylor (10-1)
Ole Miss (8-3) at Western KY (8-4)


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Jan 29 A-10 results:

Dayton (10-3) over Murray St (5-7) at home, 72-51
Duquesne (6-5) road win over Texas Pan-American (4-10), 88-69
St Joe's (7-4) home win over Boston U (7-6), 73-67

Flyer foe results:

IPFW (10-5) lost at home to Eastern KY (9-4), 90-68
Georgia Tech (9-4) with a road win at Charlotte (8-4), 58-55
USC (9-5) over Howard (3-13) at home, 82-60
Winthrop (6-5) with a double overtime loss at Hampton (6-7), 95-101

A-10 games today:

Delaware (6-6) hosts the Bonnies (8-4)
Fordham (7-5) travels to Sienna (4-8)
St Louis (11-2) at Vanderbilt (7-3)

Other Flyer opponents in action today:

St Francis NY (8-5) at Delaware St (2-9)
San Francisco (8-5) at #24 Gonzaga (11-2)
Oral Roberts (6-6) at #9 Baylor (10-1)
Ole Miss (8-3) at Western KY (8-4)


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It would be good to see Ole Miss and StLouis get those wins. Those are not easy games. All the others should be wins
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Gonzaga down two of their top three players. Dower was injured in the first half in the loss at KSU and Bell is out with a broken hand.
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Jan 29 results? I wish winter would go by faster too.

Fixed it

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Nice win by the Bills on the road in Nashville. Their defense was the difference.
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December 30

December 30 - Flyer opponents go 6-2.

A-10 games:

The Bonnies 9-4) over Delaware (6-7) at home, 80-73.
Fordham (7-6) - up 13 at the twelve minute mark - fails to score for seven minutes and loses at Sienna (5-8), 69-79.
St Louis (12-2) with a come from behind win at Vanderbilt (7-4), 67-49. The two teams combined for 6 out of 36 from deep (SLU 3/19, Vandy 3/17).

Out of conference opponents:

St Francis NY (9-5) wins at Delaware St (2-10), 60-57.
Shorthanded #24 Gonzaga (12-2) easily turns back San Francisco (8-6), 69-41.
#9 Baylor (11-1) cruises past Oral Roberts (6-7), 81-55.
Ole Miss (9-3) wins at Western KY (8-5), 79-74.

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Happy new Year

On the final day of 2013, the A-10 went 2-1, while another Flyer foe lost their tenth game of the season.

Richmond (10-4) survived a Northeastern (3-10) comeback for a road win, 70-66.
St Joe's (8-4) notched an easy home win over Binghamton (3-10), 71-44.
George Washington (11-2) never recovered from a seven and a half minute dry spell in the first half, losing at Kansas St (10-3) 72-55.

And hapless St Francis PA (2-10) mustered only 16 first half points, falling at Denver (7-7) 83-61.

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Nova beats Butler in overtime. Great game. Rafferty and Gus Johnson an awesome announcing job.
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Gary Bell Jr will be out for the Zags for 4-6 weeks. Hes averaging 13ppg and is their best 3PT shooter (better than Pangos). Dower hasnt played the last two games and is more week to week I think. Will be interesting how they manage these losses. Thats 27ppg.

Delaware St. is still winless vs. D-I. Even if they win 1 game, it will give us a nice bump b/c they are not hurting us by continuing to lose as their winning percentage is .000 whether they are 0-1 or 0-10. But winning once will improve the winning % far more than a 10-1 team going to 11-1. We really need them to start winning.

Beating Winthrop tomorrow will drop our RPI.
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Chris, I'll defer to you as the rpi guru, but i don't understand the logic.

Right now, Dayton's opponents are 83-68 .5411. If Delaware State wins a game, they'll be 84-68. If Gonzaga wins a game, they'll be 84-68. Either way, factor 2 is 84/152.

Can you explain the difference?
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Chris, I'll defer to you as the rpi guru, but i don't understand the logic.

Right now, Dayton's opponents are 83-68 .5411. If Delaware State wins a game, they'll be 84-68. If Gonzaga wins a game, they'll be 84-68. Either way, factor 2 is 84/152.

Can you explain the difference?
Overall opponents record is not how the RPI is calculated. It takes each individual teams winning % and then adds these up and divides by the number of games played. Therefore, Delaware St. is .000. If/when they win a game, that win will do more to increase their winning % more than if Gonzaga wins a game.
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Chris, I'll defer to you as the rpi guru, but i don't understand the logic.

Right now, Dayton's opponents are 83-68 .5411. If Delaware State wins a game, they'll be 84-68. If Gonzaga wins a game, they'll be 84-68. Either way, factor 2 is 84/152.

Can you explain the difference?
The 2nd level RPI computation (opponents winning percentage) is the winning percentage of each individual team - not the overall winning percentage of all the teams. It is done this way because teams don't play the same number of games. If you used overall winning percentage some teams would have more value than others based on the games each team has played. Using the average of each team assures that each opponent has the same weight in the computation - but not necessarily the same value. Delaware State at 0-9 versus D-1 teams has a winning percentage of .0000. As long as they keep losing that percentage will stay at .0000. Once you have the winning percentage of each team, you add all of them together and divide by the number of teams. Finally that result is multiplied by .5 because opponents winning percentage is half of the total RPI value.
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That's why the third factor (opponent opponent) is likely a very small differentiator by the end of the year). By the time you take 30 opponents from 30 opponents you probably include a very high percentage of D1.

It would be intersting to see the math on what impact a 20-10 SFNY has on an RPI vs a 14-16 Georgia Tech, assuming both a neutral court wins. Not sure the RPI gets the relative strength of the opponent right.
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Ok, here is an example then.

Mythical team named Drayton has played ten games. Those ten teams have the following records, not counting their game against Drayton:

9-0 1.000
5-5 .500 (8 teams with this record)
0-9 .000

Drayton's factor 2 is .500 (the average of (1.000 + (8 * .500) + .000)/10.

The undefeated team wins a game, their winning percentage remains 1.000, keeping Drayton's factor 2 at .500.

Alternatively, the winless team wins a single game, Drayton's factor 2 is now (1.000 + (8 * .500) + .100)/10 = .5100, an improvement of .100.

That would result in an RPI boost of .050 (assuming factors 1 and 3 remained unchanged). That could mean a 5 or so spot increase in the ranking depending on where you started, just because the right opponent won a game.

Ashamed I did not realize that before. Oh well, got my 2014 mistake out of the way early I guess.
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When a winless opponent keeps losing, they are not hurting you any further from an RPI value sense. Their value remains the same. Once you reach bottom, you cant go any further.

But in an indirect way they are hurting you because continuing to lose is not helping you, and that by itself is a penalty for scheduling them. Opponents winning will always be better than opponents losing, but at least if a winless teams loses, they cannot hurt you more than they already are. They are just wasting chances to help you.
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Cal opens up PAC 12 play with a nice win at Stanford, and according to UDPride RPI, both Dayton and Cal have propelled up near the Top 50...

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January 2, 2014 - Flyer foes go 8-1

A-10 results:

Rhode Island (8-6) with a road win at Brown (6-6), 75-66.
Duquesne (7-5) wins at home 79-55 over Appalachian St (4-9).
George Mason (7-6) with a home win over Penn (2-9), 80-77.

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IPFW (11-5) wins at Bowling Green (6-7), 65-60.
Gonzaga (13-2) with a home win over St Mary's (10-4), 73-51.
Cal (10-4) defeats Stanford (9-4) on the road, 69-62.
Playing at home, Delaware St (3-10) only scored 5 points in overtime, but that was enough to beat Gardner-Webb (7-8) by a point, 66-65 OT.
Illinois st (7-6) lost a close game on the road to Missouri St (11-2), 78-70 OT.
Murray State (6-7) beat SEMO (8-6) at home, 82-75.
Iona's game at Quinnipiac was postponed due to weather.

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Just found this today: Enter a team name and it will tell you who needs to win that day to help your team's RPI (basically just shows all of your current, future, and former opponents' games). Looks like it is a day behind this early in the morning, but most of the results fell our way yesterday, and it shows in our 10 place bump in RPI.

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I have a solution to the RPI dilemma - win all your home games and split on the road in the A10. Then you can put the RPI issue to bed, because you are in the NCAA.
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Frustrating to be so close, and yet once again no cigar. We are one point-blank tip-in, and one long range prayer of a 3pointer from being 13-1. This is going to be an interestig A10 because this team really has what it takes to be in the upper echelon.
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Frustrating to be so close, and yet once again no cigar. We are one point-blank tip-in, and one long range prayer of a 3pointer from being 13-1. This is going to be an interestig A10 because this team really has what it takes to be in the upper echelon.
Lets not forget that If the tip in had gone in against Baylor, the team would have had to play Syracuse instead of Cal so their record probably would not have changed. Obviously a W against Baylor and L against Syr would have been better than an L against Baylor and W against Cal. The other two were the real missed opportunities--especially the OT game when they had the ball w/ 6 seconds left. Even if they miss USC's 2 big men had fouled out....aargh!
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It gets overlooked, but I think perhaps the bigger missed opportunity against USC was end of regulation. To me it looked like DMO's put back (which was wide open from three feet) of Khari's missed trey would have counted. But he rushed it and airballed it long.

And yes, they brainfarted and shot way too soon at the end of overtime. With the big guys out for USC they could have run better offense, but really the problem on defense had less to do with the big guys and more to do with bad rotations creating opportunities for penetration.
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We'd be #21 in the RPI had we beaten USC. That said, had we beaten USC and lost to IPFW, we'd be about where we are right now anyway.
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Everyone keeps looking back on the USC game. The second half of that game was close. Yes we had chances that could have won it. It was the Baylor game that I look back at. We led for like 39 minutes of the game. That was a game I feel we p@#sed away. Win that and even if we lose to Syracuse, what would our RPI be?
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CE80, It would have been a real nice resume builder, but Baylor would not be in the top 25 RPI if we had beat them (still a quality win though), we would be several points higher I am sure, but loosing to USC on our home court is killer. As Chris points out, about 25 points.

The team needs to play every game like it is a must win, they can't take nights off, and when the team is off, Archie needs to recognize it and pull a few coach tricks out of his bag to get through those games. Perhaps a zone defense, a random press, a set trap play, or something to get that extra points or a turnover that makes for the game winner. I miss those Purnell moves.

We had Baylor beat and blew it because we slacked off and got some of the freshman some playing time when we should have been keeping a core of the starters on the court. USC sounds like the team was hoping someone else was going to carry the team. IPFW was a miracle. Loosing to Ill St on the road should be a big learning curve because that is exactly (in different forms) what they are going to face on the road in the A10. The A10 is full of Ill St. level talent and better.

I am looking forward to seeing how this team deals with adversity over the rest of the season. They can get back on track and make us happy, or continue to take a few nights off and play for that spot in the NIT... again.

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Something is likely to happen to tonight from an RPI standpoint that rarely if ever happens. Baylor is leading Savannah State in the first half in the only Flyer foe playing tonight. If Baylor wins, Dayton will actually drop in RPI value. Why?

Baylor is 11-1 so going to 12-1 does not improve their winning percentage much. So second level RPI points for Dayton will not amount to much. However, Savannah St is 0-11 vs D-I, so adding their record to our third level points is actually more powerful than getting second level points from Baylor winning -- even when Second level points are weighted more heavily.
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Lets not forget that If the tip in had gone in against Baylor, the team would have had to play Syracuse instead of Cal so their record probably would not have changed. Obviously a W against Baylor and L against Syr would have been better than an L against Baylor and W against Cal. The other two were the real missed opportunities--especially the OT game when they had the ball w/ 6 seconds left. Even if they miss USC's 2 big men had fouled out....aargh!
I would never assume a loss to Syracuse, especially with the energy we played with against Cal. Would the Orange be favored? Of course, but I would wager it would not have been double digits. We were definitely on a roll in Maui.
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Games of note - Friday, Jan 3

Um, Chris?
". . . Baylor is leading Savannah State in the first half in the only Flyer foe playing tonight. . ."

Four Flyer foes were in action tonight:

Central Michigan (7-5) with a meaningless home beatdown of tiny NAIA Marygrove College, 127-44.
#9 Baylor (12-1) with an easy home win over Savannah St (2-12), 80-50.

In A-10 play:
VCU (12-3) defeats Stony Brook (9-5) at home, 81-63.
Georgia (6-6) came away empty at George Washington (12-2), 73-55.

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Um, Chris?
". . . Baylor is leading Savannah State in the first half in the only Flyer foe playing tonight. . ."

Four Flyer foes were in action tonight:

Central Michigan (7-5) with a meaningless home beatdown of tiny NAIA Marygrove College, 127-44.
#9 Baylor (12-1) with an easy home win over Savannah St (2-12), 80-50.

In A-10 play:
VCU (12-3) defeats Stony Brook (9-5) at home, 81-63.
Georgia (6-6) came away empty at George Washington (12-2), 73-55.

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Chris was right in his analysis. We haven't played VCU or GW yet so those do not count against UD's RPI year to date. Also, Baylor played a non D1 foe so it didn't count either.
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Chris was right in his analysis. We haven't played VCU or GW yet so those do not count against UD's RPI year to date. Also, Baylor played a non D1 foe so it didn't count either.

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Savannah St is D-I and the only game that affected RPI today.
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67-58 Florida final. Richmond is very beatable, as neither team was impressive. Florida shot like 9-18 on free throws.
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Meanwhile, back to reality . . .

A-10 7-2 on the evening:

St Joe's (9-4) ekes out a win over Denver (7-8) at home, 53-52.
George Mason (7-7) loses at Old Dominion (6-9), 71-66.
The Bonnies (10-4) beat winless Cornell (0-13) at home, 81-57.
Richmond (10-5) loses at Florida (11-2), 67-58.
U-Mass (12-1) over Miami (OH)(4-7) at home, 73-65.
St Louis (13-2) with a home win over Yale (5-7), 75-55.
Rhode Island (9-6) beats LSU (9-3) on the road, 74-70.
La Salle (7-6) wins at Penn (2-10), 76-57

Dayton OOC opponents go 4-3 today:

IPFW (12-5) with a home win over Div III Kalamazoo College, 110-74.
St Francis (PA)(2-11) loses at home to NJIT (7-10), 64-56.
Georgia Tech (9-5) loses at Maryland (10-5), 77-61.
Gonzaga (14-2) beats Pacific (9-5) at home, 86-64.
Delaware St (4-10) extends their winning streak to two with a road win at Campbell (6-9), 70-60.
Iona (6-6) wins at home over Niagara (4-11), 118-92.

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USC at UCLA on Fox Sports 1 now. Let's Go Trojans...

UPDATE: USC is getting smoked. UCLA is shooting over 60% from the field, including 5-8 from three. Nearly all of their points are coming from the outside.

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FINAL: UCLA 107, USC 73. The Bruins jumped out to a 9-2 lead and the game was never closer than that. USC looked atrocious on both ends of the floor. Unfortunately, I just don't think they're a very good team...

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Sunday results 1/5/14

Sunday results January 5, 2014

No A-10 games scheduled until Tuesday, when St Louis travels to Rhode Island.

Flyer OOC opponents today:

USC (9-5) suffers a beat-down at UCLA (12-2), 107-73.
Murray St (7-7) wins at home over Tenn-Martin (5-13), 91-77.
Illinois St (8-6) with a home win over S Illinois (4-11), 66-48.

Oh, and the Bengals ended their season with their third first round playoff exit in a row:
San Diego 27 - Bengals 10.

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Monday, Jan 6

Only one Flyer opponent in action tonight:

Iona (6-7) was out-rebounded 50-27 at Quinnipiac (8-5), losing 86-74.

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Meanwhile, back to games of note . . .

Tonights Flyer foe match-ups include some real heavy hitters:

St Louis @ Rhode Island
Georgia Tech @ #16 Duke
#7 Baylor @ #9 Iowa St

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Regarding the 3 teams that UD has lost to:

Baylor lost to Syracuse and beat Kentucky on a neutral floor since UD lost to them.

As mentioned upthread, UCLA pounded USC by 34 recently.

And Illinois State, since they beat UD, has lost to #176 Oakland at Oakland and #114 Missouri State at Missouri State.

But, Illinois State did beat #164 DePaul at Illinois State.

This is Purnell's 4th year at DePaul, I wonder if they will keep him after this year if DePaul has another mediocre year? DePaul is 8-7 right now.


Baylor projected to finish at #21.
Illinois State projected to finish at #147.
USC projected to finish at #119.

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But, Illinois State did beat #164 DePaul at Illinois State.

This is Purnell's 4th year at DePaul, I wonder if they will keep him after this year if DePaul has another mediocre year? DePaul is 8-7 right now.
DePaul doesn't have Syracuse, UConn, and Louisville to play this year, so they may win more than 1 conference game. Still not sure that's enough to save his job, they paid him a lot of money to leave Clemson.
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DePaul doesn't have Syracuse, UConn, and Louisville to play this year, so they may win more than 1 conference game. Still not sure that's enough to save his job, they paid him a lot of money to leave Clemson.
I still to this day can't fathom why OP left Clemson on his own accord to take the DePaul job. It's become one of those places where coaches go to die.
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I still to this day can't fathom why OP left Clemson on his own accord to take the DePaul job.
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I thought OP bought a pretty spendy place in Lincoln Park. I doubt he would do that if he wasn't committed to the success of the basketball program. 8-7 and any conference wins is a big improvement over the team he took. I don't think he is coasting to retirement.
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OP got a dose of what it's like coaching-up basketball at a football crazy U and it's football fans. So he opted for a no-football school with no basketball fans. Oh well.
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OP got a dose of what it's like coaching-up basketball at a football crazy U and it's football fans. So he opted for a no-football school with no basketball fans. Oh well.
And he did what he does best, got the program up and running again. He took them as far as he was going to take them, to the NCAA tourney. The next step is winning a tourney game and well...we know how that goes for OP.
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SLU up 27-19 at the half

BG & GT down 1 at the half at Duke

Baylor down 2 at Iowa St at the half
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Georgia Tech gets blown away at Duke. They kept it close until the last ten minutes. Again BG with no adjustments and no time outs. The guy is a terrible bench coach.

Meanwhile RI and St Louis down to 7 sec. and Billies up by 1. Jett has like 31 of 59 points, most on close in shots. Hope Price can play on Sat.

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RI robbed, as Jett bumps their guy with the ball and he loses it while driving for the winning basket. SLU wins by 1
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RI robbed, as Jett bumps their guy with the ball and he loses it while driving for the winning basket. SLU wins by 1
They call that all night then swallow their whistle at the end when it counts most. Announcers thought the call just before that was wrong also. Two late calls SLU's way.

Dribble penetration; were you watching flyers?
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I am not as impressed with SLU as I thought I would be... I absolutely think we can take them!
Amen. They looked to have no offense other than Jett's dribble drive. The defense is good, but it is not Syracuse.
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. Hope Price can play on Sat.

Give me 22 healthy minutes from Price and 15 quality minutes from Davis on Jett and he will be a non factor (I hope)
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RI robbed, as Jett bumps their guy with the ball and he loses it while driving for the winning basket. SLU wins by 1
Maybe Jack..Can't disagree but the URI player (Munford?) was totally into taking a dive. At the first bit of contact he looked like he was suddenly struck with MS rather than trying to finish the play and look for a shot or an open man.

I don't disagree that Bob Marley fouled him, but you play to the whistle and he (URI kid) didn't even try to make a play. Looked like they told him to drive and take a dive as soon as someone touches you.....IMO.

Other than that....I wasn't overly impressed with SLU either. They seemed disinterested, and content to watch the rastaman vibrations.

If we play solid D......very solid D....we'll win.

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URI played a very URI game. Hurley's MO seems to be play the tough teams tough, then drop some random games to the weaker teams. I'm sure we'll end up 1-1 or 0-2 against them this year, again.

I was glad to see SLU win, but if we think it's going to be as easy as shutting down Jett to win, we've got another thing coming.
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If SLU can end their 5-game losing streak to URI, we can lose our 6-game losing streak to URI!
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I was glad to see SLU win, but if we think it's going to be as easy as shutting down Jett to win, we've got another thing coming.
I think that thing coming is named Dwayne Evans.
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We've lived for 20+ years on 'if'...now that A10 play is here and the results W/L's mean something may I proposed that this word be stricken from everyone's vocabulary so that we may begin dealing with who we really are, not what we could be 'if' we weren't what we did...
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I swear Jett, Loe, and McCall have been playing for SLU for at least six years!
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Georgia Tech gets blown away at Duke. They kept it close until the last ten minutes. Again BG with no adjustments and no time outs. The guy is a terrible bench coach.
Well, as was mentioned upthread, BG did get a nice win about a month ago vs. an Illinois club with a nice rpi of 15.

That is GT's best win of the season.

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Baylor down 2 at Iowa St at the half
#7 Baylor loses by 15 to #9 Iowa State, 87-72. That is Baylor's 2nd loss, their other loss was to Syracuse in Maui.

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Loaded wednesday night as conference play is in full swing:

Miami @ Central Michigan (-2) (Its been a long time since I haven't rooted for Miami in MAC play)
Murray St @ Eastern Kentucky (-8)
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Saint Joes @ UMass (-8)
Richmond @ St Bonnies and several feet of snow (actually, I'm not sure how close they are to all that snow Buffalo got)
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I have watched some AAC basketball. It is a basketball league that makes no sense. UC won at Houston last night and it is part of an 8 game league stretch where 7 of the opponents have an RPI well above 100.

IMO the AAC is doomed to die quickly.
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RI robbed, as Jett bumps their guy with the ball and he loses it while driving for the winning basket. SLU wins by 1
In real time, I may have had the same reaction. But the replay showed very little contact, Jett didn't impede the dribbler's progress and certainly didn't gain an advantage by the contact. No call was the right call.
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Maybe Jack..Can't disagree but the URI player (Munford?) was totally into taking a dive. At the first bit of contact he looked like he was suddenly struck with MS rather than trying to finish the play and look for a shot or an open man.


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That's a pretty accurate description. Had they called that foul, it would have been one of the weakest they made all night - and they seemed to call a bunch.
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The new "flop" is to drive with the ball and put your shoulder into the defender thus creating contact. The RI player did it on that play with no foul called, and did it on the previous play and a foul was called.

This is Jett's new offense, and hopefully we and the refs deal with it on Saturday. He has some quickness and is very physical, so he plays the "new game" well. Like several have said it is hard to know what is a foul, but putting your shoulder or body into a defender has to be stopped.
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The new "flop" is to drive with the ball and put your shoulder into the defender thus creating contact. The RI player did it on that play with no foul called, and did it on the previous play and a foul was called.
I am assuming you're referring to the foul Jett committed on Rhody's previous possession? If so, there was a heck of a lot more contact on that play and Jett certainly impeded the dribbler's line of direction on that play. Not so much (I'd argue not at all) on the final possession.
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The rule does not define degrees. Also it is a myth that you have cause a problem with a dribbler to be a foul (no harm, no foul). I totally agree the contact was much much less on the last no call, but it was contact initiated by the defensive player.
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The rule does not define degrees. Also it is a myth that you have cause a problem with a dribbler to be a foul (no harm, no foul). I totally agree the contact was much much less on the last no call, but it was contact initiated by the defensive player.
Perhaps we're getting closer to the real debate. Your comments suggest only black and white. Are you suggesting that ANY contact is a foul if the defender is not set or established? If so, then I suspect we'll just have to disagree.
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When dribbling the ball, physical contact by the defender is allowed and legal....it's only a foul if it gives you an advantage...and that's the tricky part of being an official; deciding when an 'advantage' is gained or not...and one very few in the audience understand. I haven't seen the end of the St. Louis game but I bet the contact was deemed to be acceptable because no advantage was gained.

Izzo made a fool of himself at the end of the first half when Craft wasn't called for a foul on a MSU turnover on the sideline...and the refs were 100% right about not blowing their whistles. Yes, there was contact, but Craft never gained an advantage and it isn't his fault the MSU guard went out of bounds trying to avoid contact.
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Rollo has zero credibility... he ALWAYS finds a way to say the the ref was right.......
Ohh, bite me...just a couple days ago I said this about the Ole Miss refs...

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I have watched some AAC basketball. It is a basketball league that makes no sense. UC won at Houston last night and it is part of an 8 game league stretch where 7 of the opponents have an RPI well above 100.

IMO the AAC is doomed to die quickly.
I imagine UC is trying to get into the Big 12, Memphis might be trying to do the same thing. I don't know what UConn or Temple's options are. Louisville is joining the ACC next year.

I doubt the NBE will take them. I suppose the A10 might be interested, or I suppose they could try to raid some other conferences like the A10, MVC, or OVC. CUSA is worse than the AAC. I don't think the AAC members have any better options. Maybe just stick it out hoping the other conference members eventually get better.

The AAC is an upgrade for Memphis, maybe a push for Temple, and a downgrade for Cincinnati, Connecticut, and Louisville.

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The biggest problem the AAC has, is that they are largely afterthoughts w/n their respective states when it comes to football.

UC has Ohio State
Memphis has Tennessee
Temple has Penn State
Houston & SMU have Texas, aTm, Baylor & Texas Tech (though mostly Texas and aTm)
Tulane (I think they join next season) has LSU
Tulsa (I think they join as well) has Okie and Okie State
South Florida and Central Florida have Florida State, Florida and Miami.

Only UConn stands alone in their state, and football wise, Conneticut is pretty low on the totem pole when it comes to fan interest, recruits, etc...

I said this about the old big east, and it still applies here (at least in my mind); the quicker the realize they can be a really, really strong basketball conference and mearly band together for football scheduling, they'll be better off. I guess the expected $40 mil annual TV payouts the B10 and SEC are expecting in the near future are too appetizing for these schools to give up the dream, but the more the old Big East bent over for football, the more factured they became which has lead to what they are today. What they should have done, was form 1 large conference, then broken it up for different sports. 1 for the football side, then 2 seperate conference based upon geography for basketball and other associated sports. I don't know if NCAA by laws would have allowed it, but get 3 seperate commissioners, one for football, 1 each for all the other sports to negotiate their contracts. They would have always been suspect to losing teams to the B10, ACC, B12, SEC, etc... but how is that any different than today? Meanwhile, they could have taken the best from the A-10 and the best from the MVC to combine w/ the football schools and made 2 basketball conferences that would have challenged for spots in the top 5.
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Conference rpi's:
This page has the NBE #3, the A10 #7, and the AAC #9, so it's not that bad of a conference rpi-wise.

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