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View Poll Results: You Make the Call - 3-point shot contact
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Shooting foul all the way...DD on the line for 3
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Foul on the floor...UD ball on the sidelines.
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No foul...defender was out of the way and DD initiated contact
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06-05-2017, 09:23 AM
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You Make the Call - Shooting foul, common foul or no foul
Thanks to Gazoo's pleading, I'm posting a YMtC. If the interest is there (and measured in votes) I'll keep posting them weekly thru July. If not, maybe well try again next June.
Obviously our good friend and senior shooting guard Darrell Davis put in OT last summer with respect to his 3-point shooting. With UD's record at 12-2, DD is shooting 46% from 3's and our Flyers are looking like NCAAT qualifiers.
In UD's first A10 game vs St. Bonnie, he's on fire. With 12 points on four 3-pointers in the first half, he's got a YUGE chance to earn the much coveted Golden Gazoo Award should our Flyers pull out a win.
With 7:38 left and UD up 58-50, DD receives a pass from Sam Miller and lines up a wide open 3-pointer. In an attempt to distract DD, the out-of-position St. Bonnie defender sprints toward DD and desperately leaps in an attempt to get into DD's peripheral vision. DD, seeing the defender coming at him but knowing he has no chance to block his shot, hesitates for a second and with both feet on the court, leans sideways into the St. B defender where contact is made. DD is still able to get off a shot, but due to contact the shot falls 5-feet short.
Anticipating but not hearing a whistle, the Flyers team freezes. Meanwhile, St. Bonnie grabs the ball and throws it full court for an uncontested dunk bringing St. Bonnie to within 6, 58-52. UD coach Anthony Grant goes ballistic...DD is still frozen at the spot of what he thought should have been a foul. Grant argues with the ref crew pleading with them that "Steph Curry makes a living doing that exact thing!" but the lead official, young Chad Barlow, apologetically shakes his head at Coach Grant as AG calls a time-out to continue this one-sided conversation.
ESPNU pulls up the video and from all replays, it's obvious that DD was bumped by the defender, giving UDPride posters in the St. Bonnie game thread all the ammo they need to attack the refs as incompetent baboons, clowns and unworthy of CYO action! Siting on his throne and sipping on a freshly made Manhattan, King Rollo bites his tongue and allows the banter to run wild, enjoying the collective impulsive and emotional ignorance!
So you're the ref...with your magical powers, you go back in time, don the stripes, pop a whistle in your mouth and MAKE THE CALL!
Did the ref miss a shooting foul? Common foul? or no foul?!
C'mon...you guys know everything! Let's get it right!
King Rollo the Rule Maker, with blessings from Sir Gazoo...OUT!!
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06-05-2017, 10:02 AM
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I could've sworn that game was on Fox Sports.
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06-05-2017, 11:18 AM
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If UD is shooting they don't call the foul... if UD is defending, they call it every time.
Seriously... if DD initiated the contact, meaning there would have been no contact without the lean, I think that is a no call...
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06-05-2017, 12:06 PM
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I voted no foul, but it is called so inconsistently I would be one of the "ignorant" fans screaming at his TV that it should be a foul. I mean DD would never airball a 3 otherwise
Rollo, when you give your answer can you please let us know if there has been a rule change or if the NBA is different. I feel like Reggie Miller invented this move and I thought at one point the rules changed to discourage it.
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06-05-2017, 12:15 PM
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Defender in the air, not vertical, and out of control. DD in control with 2 feet, just leans and shoots. Easy peasy.
Come on, rollo, give us a hard YMtC!
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What little I watch of the NBA is getting even more unwatchable as every player dribbling around a screen gets bumped and throws the ball at the rim. . . and then gets the call: In the act of shooting.
If college starts allowing this BS move you will not see me here anymore, I'll be watching reruns of baseball regular season games. In all seriousness, I will stop watching college basketball.
Or maybe I'll start watching soccer since it will basically be the same thing at that point.
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I haven't read any other replies yet, but I don't see how we can make this call as described.
"DD was bumped by the defender." That makes it a foul.
"DD leans sideways into the defender." That would probably make it not a foul.
So which one was it? We'd have to see the video to decide.
If it is a foul, was he in the act of shooting? He got a shot off pretty quickly, but he also hesitated. Text evidence is inconclusive.
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06-08-2017, 12:56 PM
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Wellllllllllll, we're waiting!
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06-08-2017, 01:37 PM
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The correct call is "no foul".
Rule 4.17.6.e basically says that a shooter can't draw a defensive foul by jumping sideways into a defender who would 'otherwise clearly miss' him. So, if you read the scenario and pick up my snarkyisms, you should have picked up that the shooter cannot pull a Steph Curry and jump into a pseudo-defender who is just trying to get into his peripheral vision and get a shooting foul.
I find it hard to believe that this rule is called consistently for no other reason that to say that I watched a lot of Duke games this year to see Luke Kennard, who is one of the biggest violators of this so-called rule.
Regardless, it was a new interpretation for 2016-17 and will take time to be accepted and called as stated.
King Rollo the Rules Interpreter...OUT!
FWIW, 30+ votes is pretty good so I'll do another Gazoo inspired YMtC next week. I have a bunch of games this weekend at the RecPlex so I'm sure I'll have some good examples to include on Monday.
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Originally Posted by rollo
Regardless, it was a new interpretation for 2016-17 and will take time to be accepted and called as stated.
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What was the old rule?
And do you know if the NBA is adopting the same rule? That would make it harder (but not impossible since we all pretend like the rules are fair for everyone) for the refs in the NBA to pump up the stats of the guys with the biggest contracts.
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Originally Posted by Gazoo
What was the old rule?
And do you know if the NBA is adopting the same rule? That would make it harder (but not impossible since we all pretend like the rules are fair for everyone) for the refs in the NBA to pump up the stats of the guys with the biggest contracts.
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The old rule allowed the shooter to lean into any and all defenders.
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Curry did this exact thing last night and got the call. Korver was in the air to contest a shot. He had an angle such that he would have flown past Curry without hitting him. Curry jumped to sideways to shoot and a foul was called. Should have been either a no-call or an offensive foul.
I don't watch a lot of NBA basketball, but I've read that Harden made a living off that play. They gotta do something about it. It's ugly to watch.
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