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Can anyone, anyone give me one reason why he gets 1 min of playing time from here forward, let alone he can't shoot, tonight he fouled about 10 times they never called, every coach talks about earning playing time that's BS cause svoboda has earned absolutely zero all year
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Slowboda???
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It's certainly easier to say than Svoslowda.
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Need to part company. He's not a asset and in order to get back to where we need to be we need his scholarship. He's an unbelievable disappointment.
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I guess I'm not ready to completely write him off. He has had success on an international level. The college game is different and it takes time to adjust.
He may continue to disappoint, but his history shows there is something there...even if it is as a limited spot up shooter. He was 21 of 42 on 3's in the 2016 FIBA Championships. He was the 2nd leading scorer in that tournament behind an NBA lottery pick.
I think he can potentially contribute if he can adjust his game. I would disagree with udscott and play him more. What are we really playing for right now? Shouldn't we give playing time to the question mark guys and figure out what we have?
My 2 cents...
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How wrong can we be?
Did we try to change his shooting mechanics? I cannot understand how we traveled to Europe, watched him play and offered him a scholarship. Surely we have better scouts than this. That is why I ask if we tried to change him or is he the worst head case I have ever seen.
I feel sorry for him but he is a liability we cannot afford
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That is why I ask if we tried to change him or is he the worst head case I have ever seen.
I feel sorry for him but he is a liability we cannot afford
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Now THAT would be saying something. See Sammy Smith
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What are we really playing for right now? Shouldn't we give playing time to the question mark guys and figure out what we have?
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Now THAT would be saying something. See Sammy Smith
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I have watched him in multiple games. While I trust our coaches and think he could develop, right now he should sit between Westerfield and Gruden.
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Being the second leading scorer at the Euro U-19 or whatever championship seems to me to indicate that he has some ability
Even though he's older than the traditional freshman but still moving across the world to a new country, becoming a full time student, adjusting to the style of basketball here. I think I read in a DDN article that he left a girlfriend too. Maybe these things are effecting him
Obviously you've got the guys like Marrkenen guy at Arizona that are so good they come in and dominate. Do the Aussies at St. Mary's or international players elsewhere have a learning curve year to NCAA ball?
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I think this all boils down to the fact that Svoboda was recruited for his ability to shoot the basketball. Unfortunately, he has been very poor at doing that. If he were hitting 40% of his threes, we would be calling for more time on the court. That's why Archie recruited him and those were the expectations. He has failed miserably in this regard and hence he has no other redeeming qualities as a player. You combine this with the demise of X, illnesses, and youth, and you have the recipe for a rather disappointing season.
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Being the second leading scorer at the Euro U-19 or whatever championship seems to me to indicate that he has some ability
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Also a reason why DIII players can have pretty successful European careers...
Not discounting his ability 100%...but it is a different game over here.
European stats aren't the easiest to come across...but from what I located, outside of a tournament or two where there was a double digit average, the career international event stats had him averaging around 8 ppg. Hardly something that indicates he should be ripping off big numbers here considering the type of game they play over there.
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He looks a little out of shape to me, but not his only problem. At this point he knows he can't compete. Should be d2 or 3.
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Based on a few observations of certain players we have I am trying to figure out if the issues are scheme related and they would have benefited in Archie's scheme OR Archie's recruits (and again I am speaking only of certain players that are/were Archie's recruits) were poor selections and would not have done well in his scheme either.
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Originally Posted by shocka43
Also a reason why DIII players can have pretty successful European careers...
Not discounting his ability 100%...but it is a different game over here.
European stats aren't the easiest to come across...but from what I located, outside of a tournament or two where there was a double digit average, the career international event stats had him averaging around 8 ppg. Hardly something that indicates he should be ripping off big numbers here considering the type of game they play over there.
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And he's never seen the quickness of a defender getting in his face in his life like he has over here. Easy to get a shot off going against players not nearly as quick regardless how long they are because he, himself, has some length.
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Originally Posted by NJFlyr71
Based on a few observations of certain players we have I am trying to figure out if the issues are scheme related and they would have benefited in Archie's scheme OR Archie's recruits (and again I am speaking only of certain players that are/were Archie's recruits) were poor selections and would not have done well in his scheme either.
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When you recruit at the level Dayton does no matter the coach you win some & you lose some projections. Sure things rarely come here out of high school
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I have not seen this much bashing since Crosby last year. I, for one, always believed Crosby had a chance, because he was an athlete. The guy is fast and can jump, and he has the guts to penetrate the defense and play some defense. The jury is still out on where Crosby will settle as a senior, but he has taken a step, because he can with his athleticism.
The difference with Matej is he is not a great athlete. He is slow, cannot jump, does not have long arms. In the future he is potentially a Mikesell, but with a lot less floor awareness and passing ability. Guys like that need to either shoot lights out, play great defense, run the offense or find a different profession. This is not meant to be a bashing of Mikesell, as he has figured it out, Matej has not.
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Couldn’t agree more. Svoboda is the least of this teams problem. Many here rail on his defense but he’s just one person and i’ve seen much worse defense played by starters. He’s had to make way more adjustments than the average student athlete not to mention language barriers. I still like him, still thinks he plays team ball/unselfish and hope he stays. When this team learns that defense wins games and they all buy into that concept- they will start to beat a lot of teams. Until that happens, they will win when they shoot lights out and lose when they don’t.
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Originally Posted by longtimefan67
Couldn’t agree more. Svoboda is the least of this teams problem. Many here rail on his defense but he’s just one person and i’ve seen much worse defense played by starters. He’s had to make way more adjustments than the average student athlete not to mention language barriers. I still like him, still thinks he plays team ball/unselfish and hope he stays. When this team learns that defense wins games and they all buy into that concept- they will start to beat a lot of teams. Until that happens, they will win when they shoot lights out and lose when they don’t.
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Svoboda is a good kid and I hope he stays as well. In the games that I have attended this season he is unselfish and plays team ball. More than I can say for some of the starters! Watching the St. Joes game on TV he passed up shooting the three ball several times while some others were jacking them up early in the shot clock!
I can imagine all the adjustments he has had to make being so far away from home. Probably the hardest may be the separation from his family and his girlfriend. Maybe he could have her move here and get married! ha Next season his defense would improve and he would average 15ppg. I know I'm off on a big tangent but wouldn't that be a great story? Sometimes good things happen to good people! Maybe a lot of our players will be better next season with Dwayne Cohill running the show and giving off some nifty dimes! In the meantime, I agree we won't win many more games this season unless we rachet up the defense (and get the ball inside to Josh Cunningham)!
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Isn't he really just hitting 4 treys in a row away from going from the outhouse to the penthouse? He's potentially a key role player for us.
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Isn't he really just hitting 4 treys in a row away from going from the outhouse to the penthouse? He's potentially a key role player for us.
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Agree with that. DD was average at best last few years from 3 land. Look what he’s become this year.
I think MS is one of the better passers on the team and really plays unselfishly. And most people on this board couldn’t hit (3) 3’s in a row if they had 2 hours to do it, let alone play college ball at any level. I trust AG. I think Matej becomes an integral part of the team down the road. You all want to pick on basketball players? Pick on the Cav’s and leave amateur players alone.
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No one is picking on him as you say we're just typing the truth, he has done absolutely nothing this year and deserves no playing time, no one said kick him off the team, but to the pine he should go, 4 threes in a row ? He has not many more than 4 all year and we're 18 games deep, quit trying to be nice to people and sugar coat everything
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No one is picking on him as you say we're just typing the truth, he has done absolutely nothing this year and deserves no playing time, no one said kick him off the team, but to the pine he should go, 4 threes in a row ? He has not many more than 4 all year and we're 18 games deep, quit trying to be nice to people and sugar coat everything
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It is obvious with the number of red reps you are not an objective poster.
Call me crazy but I have a gut feeling Svoboda will find it before XW does. It's quite a different thing to learn a new system style and all vs having had it and lost it and lost at how to get it back if he is even trying. Never seen a player who had it looked so disconnected or disinterested from the rest of the team.
Play the ones who show the intensity and focus and if that is the walk ons then so be it.
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I'm with those not ready to give up on Svoboda. I believe he got off to a rough start shooting the three this season and this has eaten into his confidence. When yore not starting, you have a rep as a three point shooter, then you get in the game and can't nail one, it's bound to get into your head. (Even more so when the team is losing).
His defense is a little weak right now, but I believe we can apply that trait to a few on this team.
What he does do well is finish around the basket. In his limited playing time I believe he's one of the best on the team finishing on the fast breaks, going up strong and put-backs.
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I'm currently reading the autobiography of Carli Lloyd (don't judge me, I'm checking it for content before I hand it to my young daughter). In her particular story, she was mocked by her coach when she said she was going to be a great player on the world stage at a moment in time where she wasn't even the best player on her junior team. She didn't have the athleticism, the drive, the desire. She had several mediocre seasons and many setbacks that had her on the brink of quitting the game because she just wasn't that good. We know how that turned out, she became a 2-time world player of the year.
But the interesting thing is how she got there. She just worked harder than every other person.
Is Svoboda ever going to make the NBA? Yeah, not likely. But, my point is that we don't really know what he's made of just yet. Has he struggled with focus and transition? Will he take the offseason and work harder than every other person on the team, turning into a 50% shooter? Or party with the college girls?
Not many put in world class hard work so the easy call is to say he's done. I'd say give him 1 offseason at least to show what he wants from this.
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If he's a 3 pointer shooter who can't get his own shot that's gotta rely on others setting him up the youth & lack of offensive discipline could be hurting him
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Originally Posted by udscott
No one is picking on him as you say we're just typing the truth, he has done absolutely nothing this year and deserves no playing time, no one said kick him off the team, but to the pine he should go, 4 threes in a row ? He has not many more than 4 all year and we're 18 games deep, quit trying to be nice to people and sugar coat everything
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Not sugar coating anything. He is averaging less minutes/game than any player on the team with the exception of the walk-ons and Pierce (who may end up last on the team in minutes despite a full ride). You say he should sit on the pine...HE IS. I argue his defense is no worse than anybody else; so how should you punish him for all of UD’s shortcomings when he’s nearly last in average minutes played? If anything- he should get MORE minutes not less!
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There is an adjustment period for international players. For Example:
SVIATOSLAV MYKHAILIUK (Kansas via Ukraine)
Freshman Year - 30% shooting percentage, 28.8% from 3.
Senior Year - 50% FG's, 47.8% from 3.
I get it - Svoboda isn't playing well. But he shouldn't be punished because our expectations were too high.
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Will state that my comments were trying to put the European performance in an Amercan perspective for a college player.
I hope he gets it together. He has the size to create matchup nightmares, but unfortunately we haven't observed any of that.
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Svoboda or Anfernee Simmons? Svoboda or Xavier Pinson. Svoboda or ? I'll just say this. He appears to have a very limited upside. If AG really needs to turn the roster over quickly, he's probably gone, even if two years from now he'll be improved. People want AG to win quickly, yet concerned that a guy who has shown little or nothing and essentially no signs of improving another couple years to be a contributor. How do you square that circle? I'm not trying to run him off. If AG sees potential, then he should be here, period. But if he ends up gone because AG didn't see potential, I'm not going to bat an eye.
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According to you we should have given up on Devon Olivef, even baby D, look how things changed.
Svoboda was not recruited as a starter but as a role player hitting treys. What I see and don't see is Svoboda jacking up treys as soon as he gets the ball. He passes first looking for an open man or cuts to the basket. All he needs is for thar first trey to go in. He is a team player among some individual players.
Pierce more than likely is gone, seems to have lost interest in bball and academics.
Right now I see more of an upside to Svoboda than williams. Hope X finds it but he looks more uncomfortable on the court than Svoboda. Just my .02
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Archie gave up on Ralph Hill and then signed Sibert and Pierre in the following weeks. That turned out to be ok.
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According to you we should have given up on Devon Olivef, even baby D, look how things changed.
Svoboda was not recruited as a starter but as a role player hitting treys. What I see and don't see is Svoboda jacking up treys as soon as he gets the ball. He passes first looking for an open man or cuts to the basket. All he needs is for thar first trey to go in. He is a team player among some individual players.
Pierce more than likely is gone, seems to have lost interest in bball and academics.
Right now I see more of an upside to Svoboda than williams. Hope X finds it but he looks more uncomfortable on the court than Svoboda. Just my .02
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You didn't quote so not sure if this is directed at me, but what I specifically said is if AG sees potential in him, then he will stay. If not, he will go. As to what Svoboda was recruited for, there's only a few people who know the truth there and they aren't on this board. If this was directed at someone else, it might be helpful to point out whose point you were specifically addressing.
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Can he shoot? Athleticism, quickness and defensive ability are a separate discussion. But some of success in Europe -- and I'm talking about stats, not just highlight tapes where anybody can look good -- suggests he can be an outside threat. Can he create his own shot? Maybe not. But he's now passing up wide open shots. Don't know if that's totally from lack of confidence from poor results early in the season. Or could be coaches harping on him not to be a gunslinger. Clearly he's trying to contribute in other ways and has made some heady inside passes, a rarity for this team. But I'm still holding out hope he can regain his stroke, much like DD did after a two-year hiatus.
As an aside, it's amusing how many people seem inclined to drive him out of the program ... after so many people were chastising AG for taking so long to sign him. Probably the same people.
God, please grant me patience. And do it now.
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So incremental improvement in other words. His EUR experience means nothing- he's a freshman.
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So some seem to think keeping him will advance our program and get us back to being a top A10 team. Probably the same folks that predicted The Crosby miracle that should be happening any day now. We need to clean house and let AG rebuild with real talent. He's hamstrung with few scholarships available. Hoping for miracles is best done at Lourdes.
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Archie gave up on Ralph Hill and then signed Sibert and Pierre in the following weeks. That turned out to be ok.
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Well, if I recall correctly, Archie gave Ralph Hill a choice. He told him that if he stays he shouldn't expect many minutes and if he leaves, he would understand and wish him well.
The above might sound like just a formality but what if Ralph Hill replied with "I'm here more for an education and less for basketball so I'd prefer to stay with UD". Would we have been without one of those two you mentioned?
So my question is does UD have an Athletic Department policy that you don't revoke a scholarship for basketball skill reasons?
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Originally Posted by Smitty10
So my question is does UD have an Athletic Department policy that you don't revoke a scholarship for basketball skill reasons?
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Doubt they would have policy, just an unwritten rule that it is bad practice to release a scholarship athlete for performance issues. In the end, UD staff put the kid in Dayton and in a Dayton uniform. If his effort is there and it isn't translating to the game, UD owes him an education. If a kid has behavior issues, drug/alcohol/ integrity, etc...that's another story. There are more than enough ways to get your point across to get a player to beat feet on their own accord. If a player is doing everything you ask outside of the 40 minutes a game, you don't kick him to the curb. Bad business.
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Originally Posted by shocka43
Doubt they would have policy, just an unwritten rule that it is bad practice to release a scholarship athlete for performance issues. In the end, UD staff put the kid in Dayton and in a Dayton uniform. If his effort is there and it isn't translating to the game, UD owes him an education. If a kid has behavior issues, drug/alcohol/ integrity, etc...that's another story. There are more than enough ways to get your point across to get a player to beat feet on their own accord. If a player is doing everything you ask outside of the 40 minutes a game, you don't kick him to the curb. Bad business.
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Svoboda is 21, from Europe and has a wife with 2 kids. He didn't come to Dayton, OH for an education. He came to play basketball, and I think he'd rather go back to Europe than sit the bench or be a role player for the next 3 years.
Any minutes he has gotten this year will almost certainly dwindle with RM back next year, so does he want to hang in Dayton for a couple years for a chance to play? Or go back to Europe to be with his wife and kids?
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Originally Posted by 224
Svoboda is 21, from Europe and has a wife with 2 kids. He didn't come to Dayton, OH for an education. He came to play basketball, and I think he'd rather go back to Europe than sit the bench or be a role player for the next 3 years.
Any minutes he has gotten this year will almost certainly dwindle with RM back next year, so does he want to hang in Dayton for a couple years for a chance to play? Or go back to Europe to be with his wife and kids?
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Good point regarding his specific situation. Completely agree. But in the end, that decision should/needs to be his.
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Originally Posted by MNFats
There is an adjustment period for international players. For Example:
SVIATOSLAV MYKHAILIUK (Kansas via Ukraine)
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Please check your keyboard ........ I think it's malfunctioning!
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I didn't want to actually try and spell it, so I just did a copy/paste off the Kansas roster on their website!
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Originally Posted by steve
And he's never seen the quickness of a defender getting in his face in his life like he has over here. Easy to get a shot off going against players not nearly as quick regardless how long they are because he, himself, has some length.
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Originally Posted by MNFats
I guess I'm not ready to completely write him off. He has had success on an international level. The college game is different and it takes time to adjust.
He may continue to disappoint, but his history shows there is something there...even if it is as a limited spot up shooter. He was 21 of 42 on 3's in the 2016 FIBA Championships. He was the 2nd leading scorer in that tournament behind an NBA lottery pick.
I think he can potentially contribute if he can adjust his game. I would disagree with udscott and play him more. What are we really playing for right now? Shouldn't we give playing time to the question mark guys and figure out what we have?
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Originally Posted by cralford
Did we try to change his shooting mechanics? I cannot understand how we traveled to Europe, watched him play and offered him a scholarship. Surely we have better scouts than this. That is why I ask if we tried to change him or is he the worst head case I have ever seen.
I feel sorry for him but he is a liability we cannot afford
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I guess I should have read his history before I decided it was time to label him a liability. How unusual of me to speak before having all the facts
I now declare him the best player on the team
Oh wait, I dunno Maybe he will improve
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Never left the bench tonight. If he can't play against a team of slow white guys, just what is his value to the team????
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Originally Posted by 224
Svoboda is 21, from Europe and has a wife with 2 kids. He didn't come to Dayton, OH for an education. He came to play basketball, and I think he'd rather go back to Europe than sit the bench or be a role player for the next 3 years.
Any minutes he has gotten this year will almost certainly dwindle with RM back next year, so does he want to hang in Dayton for a couple years for a chance to play? Or go back to Europe to be with his wife and kids?
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are you sure he's married with kids?
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer
are you sure he's married with kids?
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This article says he has a girlfriend...no mention of kids.
http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/spo...O8C5HuKFwHX2K/
60% of facts are made up. Including that one.
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How many first round draft choices do not pan out in football, basketball and baseball? They are scouted, measured and interviewed many times, but stuff happens when you jump up a level.
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Originally Posted by 224
Svoboda is 21, from Europe and has a wife with 2 kids. He didn't come to Dayton, OH for an education. He came to play basketball, and I think he'd rather go back to Europe than sit the bench or be a role player for the next 3 years.
Any minutes he has gotten this year will almost certainly dwindle with RM back next year, so does he want to hang in Dayton for a couple years for a chance to play? Or go back to Europe to be with his wife and kids?
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My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with a girl who saw Ferris pass-out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
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