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Old 01-21-2019, 11:18 AM
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If you are a Debbie Downer on Kostas, don't read this article. It will spoil your day. Rick Carlisle knows where every player is re development in the Mavs organization. He would NEVER bring Kostas up SOLELY for the press.

It would be a disservice to the player to be called up and not deserve it.
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Old 01-21-2019, 05:28 PM
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A thread too crazy for words.

Originally Posted by sheg View Post
For crying out loud. "The family doesn't understand how things are supposed to work?!?"

The guy has height and athletic ability that cannot be taught. He has transcendental athletic ability for his height. He is destined to be a professional basketball player. He is best served by developing his game and his body, and college basketball pales in comparison to the G league or Europe or as the 12th man on an NBA roster for development. He needs to eat sleep and dream basketball for a few years.

Will he ever be a great, or even good, NBA player? Maybe not. But you don't need to achieve that to have a lucrative career in basketball and it's time to start finding out. Worst case he plays in Europe for ten years.
I had to dig in this thread to find an objective outlook on Kostas' future in the NBA. sheg wins the award. So many posts in this thread lacked common sense. As of TODAY he is on an NBA roster sitting right next to Dirk Nowitzki. The Past and the Future sitting together. Probably hoping the game is a rout so he can get a shot at Giannis' expense. Kostas has a long way to go, but he has also come a long way. Give him a break.

And there is not enough crow in the world for the narrow minded posts in this thread.
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer View Post
I had to dig in this thread to find an objective outlook on Kostas' future in the NBA. sheg wins the award. So many posts in this thread lacked common sense. As of TODAY he is on an NBA roster sitting right next to Dirk Nowitzki. The Past and the Future sitting together. Probably hoping the game is a rout so he can get a shot at Giannis' expense. Kostas has a long way to go, but he has also come a long way. Give him a break.

And there is not enough crow in the world for the narrow minded posts in this thread.
OK, I see myself in your comments, and I'm starting to slowly come around...
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Bucks win 116-106 as Giannis goes for 31 pts. and 15 rebounds! Kostas was a DNP-coaches decision! Giannis posterized Luka Doncic' on a dunk. I wonder if he would have dunked on his brother had he played! Have to wait and see what the future holds for Kostas.

All of us should want him to succeed even though his collegiate career here was short and uneventful because any mention of the University of Dayton may help in recruiting etc.
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Thanks for the kind words, SDF. And bookmark this thread, because we'll be saying the same things about another player sooner than many on here would hope. And they'll say the same things about him.
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Originally Posted by Buckleyma View Post
Kostasís call-up to the NBA is perfect timing. He gets in a little practice before the Milwaukee game. It is timed for additional ticket sales. It is timed to give the news media a chance to get that perfect photo and give both the Milwaukee Bucks and Dallas Mavericks some publicity.

And there is nothing wrong with this staging. The NBA is all about the entertainment value. It is about self promotion. This is fully understandable. The family being cohesive card is also being played. The hope is that someday it is a Venus vs Serena rivalry?
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I'm just curious... how many extra tickets do you think were sold? Extra subscriptions to the NBA package?

i'm sure the NBA would love a Williams level deal but bringing Kostas up now does nothing to foster that. Kostas is a two way player. Venus was at one time number 1. Mark Cuban is probably hoping for a Greg Maddux-Mike Maddux deal.

I'm on record earlier in this thread being in Kostas' corner and will remain so unless he does something to embarrass UD. But the Greek Freak is a story. Kostas does nothing at this point to advance that story. I don't see anyone not invested already caring any more because Kostas is there.

Well... unless they post on here.
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Originally Posted by Bucketnight View Post
I'm just curious... how many extra tickets do you think were sold? Extra subscriptions to the NBA package?

i'm sure the NBA would love a Williams level deal but bringing Kostas up now does nothing to foster that. Kostas is a two way player. Venus was at one time number 1. Mark Cuban is probably hoping for a Greg Maddux-Mike Maddux deal.

I'm on record earlier in this thread being in Kostas' corner and will remain so unless he does something to embarrass UD. But the Greek Freak is a story. Kostas does nothing at this point to advance that story. I don't see anyone not invested already caring any more because Kostas is there.

Well... unless they post on here.
Having attended the Mav game last night, I can assure everyone that not one ticket extra was sold due to Kostas presence. Mainly because they are sold out, but also because his name was never highlighted or promoted. Sold out at $139 ave ticket. With parking and food, call it a couples night out for a cool $350. Kostas who?

Kostas' main competition right now is himself and Ray Spalding from Louisville. Which reminds me the following universities are listed on the Mavs roster in the game program:

Arkansas
Dayton
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NC State
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That validates the notion that Kostas will be forever branded in the NBA with UD, and it had to have his concurrence.
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer View Post
Having attended the Mav game last night, I can assure everyone that not one ticket extra was sold due to Kostas presence. Mainly because they are sold out, but also because his name was never highlighted or promoted. Sold out at $139 ave ticket. With parking and food, call it a couples night out for a cool $350. Kostas who?

Kostas' main competition right now is himself and Ray Spalding from Louisville. Which reminds me the following universities are listed on the Mavs roster in the game program:

Arkansas
Dayton
Florida
Louisville
Marquette
North Carolina
NC State
Northeastern
Stanford
Texas A&M
Valparaiso
Villanova
Wisconsin

That validates the notion that Kostas will be forever branded in the NBA with UD, and it had to have his concurrence.
The Bucks have a new arena this year and are playing well. They don't need anything to boost sales. On the other hand the Cleveland Cavaliers have a "Greek night" when the Bucks are in town.
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer View Post
Having attended the Mav game last night, I can assure everyone that not one ticket extra was sold due to Kostas presence. Mainly because they are sold out, but also because his name was never highlighted or promoted. Sold out at $139 ave ticket. With parking and food, call it a couples night out for a cool $350. Kostas who?

Kostas' main competition right now is himself and Ray Spalding from Louisville. Which reminds me the following universities are listed on the Mavs roster in the game program:

Arkansas
Dayton
Florida
Louisville
Marquette
North Carolina
NC State
Northeastern
Stanford
Texas A&M
Valparaiso
Villanova
Wisconsin

That validates the notion that Kostas will be forever branded in the NBA with UD, and it had to have his concurrence.
Ah, ah, ah. Not so fast. Would you have attended the game if Kostas wasn't suiting up?

I agree that no one outside of this group is interested in the Kostas story, but just investigating a tiny crack in your theory.
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Ah, ah, ah. Not so fast. Would you have attended the game if Kostas wasn't suiting up?

I agree that no one outside of this group is interested in the Kostas story, but just investigating a tiny crack in your theory.
Good thoughts. But the tickets were a Xmas present from my wife before Kostas was on the parent Mavs radar. Also I'm 20 miles from the Texas Legends G-League so I can watch Kostas for a $10 ticket. I'm fairly confident I'll see him there again. And they are periodically on tv, so there's that.
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Here's another thought that is unlikely to happen. If Dallas traded Kostas + the entire Mavs franchise for Giannis the ticket scalping prices would top the already outrageous unlimited ceiling they reach now. The markets clearly understand the financial dynamics between the two brothers.
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Yesterday I changed my name to Jack Antetokounmpo. Today I got two votes.
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Canít help but wonder if these votes werenít from players who took Kostas for his big brother.
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Canít help but wonder if these votes werenít from players who took Kostas for his big brother.
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I did the same thing with my last name and entered the draft next year.
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Canít help but wonder if these votes werenít from players who took Kostas for his big brother.
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It appears that the Mavs have added the Unicorn to their roster:


https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/k...jr-per-report/


Likely won't leave much playing time behind him and Doncic; that should be a fun tandem to watch the next few seasons. I'm not sure if Porzingis will play at all this year, but it may open up some minutes this season for "somebody"; go grab them brother of Giannis

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The Mavs trade with the Knicks leaves Dallas short 3 players for tonight's game vs. the Pistons. Kostas should get his first NBA burn tonight:

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The Mavs trade with the Knicks leaves Dallas short 3 players for tonight's game vs. the Pistons. Kostas should get his first NBA burn tonight:

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As you attend a Texas Legends game (G league team for the Dallas Mavericks), you see the below poster of Kostas. The poster stands to the right of the escalator that you take up to your seats in the Star Center arena in Frisco Texas (near Dallas Texas).

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When Dallas played at Milwaukee, Kostas traveled with them for a photo op.

When Milwaukee played at Dallas last night, Kostas was nowhere to be found.

Makes me wonder if he'll get more than a minute or two with Dallas this season, probably at the end of the season.
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As you attend a Texas Legends game (G league team for the Dallas Mavericks), you see the below poster of Kostas. The poster stands to the right of the escalator that you take up to your seats in the Star Center arena in Frisco Texas (near Dallas Texas).

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Figgie123: Good catch. I didnít notice that inscription at the bottom of the Kostas poster.

The whole point that there is a poster of Kostas amazed me. The Dallas Mavericks picked several other players in the draft before selecting Kostas and a higher draft pick by the name of Ray Spalding (Louisville) also plays in the G league Texas Legends and there is no poster of him, only Kostas.

Coincidentally, near the time that Kostas (picked 60) was elevated to the Dallas Mavericks roster, the Mavs waived Ray Spalding (picked 56).
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For 2018-19, 55 players are on 2-way contracts with their NBA teams.

Of those 55, only 8 haven't played a 2018-19 NBA minute, including Kostas. Of those 8, 2 earned 2017-18 minutes.

If Kostas can't get into a game with Dallas this season, I wonder if he has a future with them. Porzingas (sp?) should be healthy next season so one more roster spot is gone...is Kostas trade bait? or will he be in Europe? Time will tell.

Most glaring stat: Kostas is 51st in scoring of the 2-way contract players.
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For 2018-19, 55 players are on 2-way contracts with their NBA teams.

Of those 55, only 8 haven't played a 2018-19 NBA minute, including Kostas. Of those 8, 2 earned 2017-18 minutes.

If Kostas can't get into a game with Dallas this season, I wonder if he has a future with them. Porzingas (sp?) should be healthy next season so one more roster spot is gone...is Kostas trade bait? or will he be in Europe? Time will tell.

Most glaring stat: Kostas is 51st in scoring of the 2-way contract players.

I'm not going to say he definitely made a bad decision by refusing to attend to his job of passing classes for 1 more year, but imagine how many dunks he'd have on SportsCenter between him and Obi. We might lead the nation in dunks. 2 guys 6'10" flying around the rim would be the excitement story of the A10. Scouts would be salivating at KA's potential by averaging only 10 points plus 3 blocks per game.


Or, you could go play for the Texas Legends in front of literally dozens of people and average 10 PPG while not starting.



He definitely made the wrong decision.
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I am kind of over the Kostas decision. Whatever happens, happens. If he could have gotten over the whole school thing, I think someone like him - that is very athletic but short on games playing organized bball, could have used an extra year to better understand how playing in an organized system works. I'm not sure that is the kind of coaching one can get at the G league level.
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I am kind of over the Kostas decision. Whatever happens, happens. If he could have gotten over the whole school thing, I think someone like him - that is very athletic but short on games playing organized bball, could have used an extra year to better understand how playing in an organized system works. I'm not sure that is the kind of coaching one can get at the G league level.
When he got ďcalled upĒ he wasnít even starting on the G league team. He was getting pretty solid minutes, but not starting. At the time I said it was nice of Dallas to bring him up so he could go see his family and nice he got to spend some time in practice at that level. Nothing wrong with that but heís got a long way to go. He is a work in progress, no more. It will be nice for Dayton if he can move into a leading player in the G League sometime in the next 1-2 years. Thatís the next step. Weíll see where it goes if he can reach this next level - starting and being a leading player at the G League level.
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I'm not going to say he definitely made a bad decision by refusing to attend to his job of passing classes for 1 more year, but imagine how many dunks he'd have on SportsCenter between him and Obi. We might lead the nation in dunks. 2 guys 6'10" flying around the rim would be the excitement story of the A10. Scouts would be salivating at KA's potential by averaging only 10 points plus 3 blocks per game.

Or, you could go play for the Texas Legends in front of literally dozens of people and average 10 PPG while not starting.
He definitely made the wrong decision.
I think we will get a good indication of his value by summer. He will either earn a spot on the Mavs roster (not likely, since they are now officially swinging for the $$$fences). Or he will be "cut bait". Not much trade value actually. He just can't gain weight fast enough. Still no where good enough to press the top 12-14 players on most rosters. Obi has passed him.
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Kostas was 80% running from college, 20% running to the pros.
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Thing is, Kostas may have been fine not getting drafted, and been happy to return to Greece or elsewhere to play for pay. Not sure how much his oldest brother makes overseas, but if he didn't want to school, both are better off having parted.
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Kostas is on the Dallas Mavericks roster but not playing due to illness. The illness isnít specified on web articles that I am reading.
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Kostas is on the Dallas Mavericks roster but not playing due to illness. The illness isnít specified on web articles that I am reading.
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Anthony spoke this summer about Kostas. He was much more understanding and conciliatory.

First, he said Kostas was the first member in the family to go to college. His brother never attended college. With family legacy, he believed that college was a difficult challenge for Kostas.


Next, he said that Kostas had a summer injury followed by a family tragedy. He explained that Kostas was behind, had to learn a new system and then try to figure out who he is. Kostas was still learning what kind of player he is and can be. He has a unique build and set of athletic talents that make him and his brother not traditional position players. His brother plays and runs the floor like a 6'11" guard.


The Bucks were heavily criticized for drafting Giannis. His first year or two were so so...

Lots of brother of NBA players don't make. The Mavs gambled on his family talents. I think they need 1-2 more years yet to see if that gamble will pay off.

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For 2018-19, 55 players are on 2-way contracts with their NBA teams.

Most glaring stat: Kostas is 51st in scoring of the 2-way contract players.
Stats are a funny thing. If you have already reached a conclusion and go looking for data to support it, you will find it.

One of my favorite examples of that is in this article (starts at the 4th paragraph).

http://www.espn.com/fantasy/football...er-2018-season

For Kostas, while he is 51st in scoring, he is also 3rd in blocks. That paints a different picture.

And let's be honest - had he stayed at UD another year, he would probably be our 4th or 5th scorer. Probably in that 10 ppg range. That's because he isn't a scorer. The Mavericks don't see him as a scorer. His potential is in his defensive abilities - and he has the defensive stats to back that up.

Mentally he still has a long way to go to be ready. He still has too many missed assignments. Give him time to work that out and he can join a long list of NBA big men who are defensive assets to their team while providing little in the way of scoring.

So I'm not sure hitting him on his ppg is a fair assessment.

Don't confuse this post as me saying he is NBA ready or anything - and please don't throw me in the royal dungeon.
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don't confuse blocked shots with defense.

Interim Wannabe Sir MN, while I agree with the idea that some NBA prospects are prospects because of their defensive intensity and ability (Chris Wright had that potential), Kostas sees himself as an offensive player...defense is the least of his worries.
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Interim Wannabe Sir MN, while I agree with the idea that some NBA prospects are prospects because of their defensive intensity and ability (Chris Wright had that potential), Kostas sees himself as an offensive player...defense is the least of his worries.
Oh I don't disagree that he sees himself that way. I'm just saying that if he is to have any NBA success it will have to be at the defensive end. Like I said, he isn't ready for it mentally yet.

I don't think there is any doubt that any potential NBA teams see for him is defensive while his offensive output would have to be low volume/high efficiency.
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*2 others haven't played due to surgeries and are excused

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For 2018-19, 55 players are on 2-way contracts with their NBA teams.

Of those 55, only 8 haven't played a 2018-19 NBA minute, including Kostas. Of those 8, 2 earned 2017-18 minutes.
And then there were 2...

Of all the 2-way players on NBA rosters* this season, only Kostas and RJ Hunter haven't seen a minute of NBA action this season. RJ, of course, was a former 1st round pick with 2 years of semi-action so it can be stated that Kostas is the only 2-way player not to have any NBA action.

With Dallas tanking (1-9 in their last 10) I expect him to get a late call-up, but there are no guarantees. So let's wait and see...but I'm not holding my royal breath.
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Kostas got about 5 1/2 minutes of playing time last night for the Mavs and made 1/2 free throws, had a rebound, 2 steals, and a turnover. 0/2 from the floor so he hasnít gotten a bucket in the NBA yet, but he has scored a point!
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Despite throwing up a little bit in my mouth, I am happy for the UD program for putting another player into the NBA...and happy that Kostas fulfilled his NBA dreams.
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Despite throwing up a little bit in my mouth, I am happy for the UD program for putting another player into the NBA...and happy that Kostas fulfilled his NBA dreams.
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With 10 games left, Kostas needs to show improvement. It is no secret the Mavs roster will be greatly improved next season and he is going to be up against another talented draft class. Probably another "now or never" year for him. Hope he steps up.
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Everyone is critical of ud scott posting about AG b itís ok to bad mouth a former flyer? Good to understand the rules around here
Not as simple as you make. First, UDscott makes only critical and often half baked comments. It causes people on the board to defend Grant. It does not mean they are Grant lovers but unwilling to hold Grant to a totally unrealistic standard. They are tired of someone who blames every game issue on the coach as if the players have no impact on the game.

For many, the jury is out still on Grant.

With respect to Kostas, the person, I heard most complimentary was Grant. His comments made sense to me. Grant said that a Kostas was the first and only person in his family to go to college. He also mentioned the injuries and the death of his father created a difficult year and adjustment for Kostas. Grant also said that Kostas was finally beginning to find himself at year end.

Given that, I think it was logical for Kostas to leave. The draft proved that NBA teams believe he has potential.

Personally, I hope Kostas makes it in the NBA and is successful.
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From every report Iíve heard from people inside the program Kostas loved UD but not the schoolwork. Canít blame a guy who had a multi millionaire brother and a chance, even if a higher ceiling by staying in school longer, leaves early.
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From every report Iíve heard from people inside the program Kostas loved UD but not the schoolwork. Canít blame a guy who had a multi millionaire brother and a chance, even if a higher ceiling by staying in school longer, leaves early.
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This is why there needs to be good alternatives for ďkidsĒ that donít have either the aptitude or the desire to go to college.
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This is why there needs to be good alternatives for ďkidsĒ that donít have either the aptitude or the desire to go to college.
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The whole post-high-school situation needs to be re-thought. Itís not as simple as it was back in 1969, when you had guys playing 4 years in college (1 year on the Freshman team and 3 years on the Varsity) and then going on to the pros, if they were good enough. Now, you have prep school, G-League, and overseas as options other than college and pros. The ďone-and-doneĒ rule should probably be abolished, and then guys leaving high school or prep school who think theyíre ready for professional ball can get right to it. And maybe, in the process, there could be some sort of ďamnestyĒ clause, whereby if a kid spends 1 season in G-League and finds heís not ready for the pros, he can go back to college to play for 2-4 years and pursue a degree? Just a few random thoughts.
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Originally Posted by TX Flyer View Post
Everyone is critical of ud scott posting about AG b itís ok to bad mouth a former flyer? Good to understand the rules around here
I'm with you on this one. udscott takes every small misstep by AG as evidence he's been right about AG all along. But as a UD fan he hopes AG succeeds.

Same for Kostas - everyone on here hopes he succeeds, but they are quick to call him out when things don't go his way as evidence that they were right that he should have stayed.

I have no problems admitting that I was in the camp that was supportive of him leaving, but did not think he was NBA ready. I didn't think he needed to be. This was always destined to be a G League developmental year. And as some on here wanted to point out his failures relative to his two-way contract peers, I was just thrilled he was enjoying some success at the G League level.

The fact that he got any NBA time this year exceeded my expectations. Happy for him.
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