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Obi #1 in FG Percentage

Through games of 1/29/19 Obi leads the country in field goal percentage. Goodness, he is fun to watch and worth the price of admission. Enjoying the ride. Josh comes in at #12. In 50 years, cannot remember another Flyer with Obi's level of both skill and athleticism. Some Flyers with high skill set (May, Smith, Davis), but none come to mind with the high athleticism to go with it. Perhaps Johnny Davis is as close as any.

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Through games of 1/29/19 Obi leads the country in field goal percentage. Goodness, he is fun to watch and worth the price of admission. Enjoying the ride. In 50 years, cannot remember another Flyer with his level of both skill and athleticism. Some Flyers with high skill set (May, Smith), but none come to mind with the high athleticism to go with it.

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Johnny Davis was the most athletic Flyer I ever saw. For a guard around 6í1Ē he could sky over the rim and was lightning fast.

Would be hard to compare him to Obi because of the height difference. Obi is impressive. I like the skills that go with his athleticism.
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Through games of 1/29/19 Obi leads the country in field goal percentage. Goodness, he is fun to watch and worth the price of admission. Enjoying the ride.

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketbal...individual/141
I have been thinking about posting my thoughts on Obi for the last week or so. Perhaps some Priders may feel "I have been drinking," but I will leave that to CoffeeCan. Here is my controversial comment...

Depending on how long Obi stays with the program, I truly believe that if he spends all four years here that he has the potential to be UD's first All-American in the modern era. His improvement has been so dramatic that I believe given his height, mobility, ability to put the ball on the floor, and finish, all give him the potential to achieve that great honor. I think his potential for greatness is better than anyone we have had around the program for several decades. I hope I am right and he stays the four years to achieve that great honor. Not only would it be a great honor for the program, but great players of that caliber can elevate a team to great heights. Look at what Roosevelt Chapman did for the Flyers in their Elite Eight run.
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I have been thinking about posting my thoughts on Obi for the last week or so. Perhaps some Priders may feel "I have been drinking," but I will leave that to CoffeeCan. Here is my controversial comment...

Depending on how long Obi stays with the program, I truly believe that if he spends all four years here that he has the potential to be UD's first All-American in the modern era. His improvement has been so dramatic that I believe given his height, mobility, ability to put the ball on the floor, and finish, all give him the potential to achieve that great honor. I think his potential for greatness is better than anyone we have had around the program for several decades. I hope I am right and he stays the four years to achieve that great honor. Not only would it be a great honor for the program, but great players of that caliber can elevate a team to great heights. Look at what Roosevelt Chapman did for the Flyers in their Elite Eight run.
By the way, Jim Paxson was the last All-American from UD - 1979.
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Roosevelt Chapman says hi.
Every time I watch Obi, I think of Roosevelt Chapman in terms of how entertaining he is to watch. Both would provide one "wow" play after another during a game. Soak it in while he is still a Flyer.
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*sarcasm alert!

I love Obi and all the energy he brings to the team as well as his unselfish attitude about coming off the bench despite being a Top 3 player for My Team...BUT!

For every St. Joe's (25pts, 12 rbs), Ga State (22/3), WMU (22/3) and Detroit 22/11) performance, there's a Butler (4/4), Oklahoma (7/0), Miss St (8/5) and Auburn (10/3).

Anyone see a pattern?

Obi's got 'stud' written all over him. But let's not get ahead of ourselves...especially with undoubtedly 3 or 4 future NBA All-Stars currently redshirting on our bench*!

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I love Obi and all the energy he brings to the team as well as his unselfish attitude about coming off the bench despite being a Top 3 player for My Team...BUT!

For every St. Joe's (25pts, 12 rbs), Ga State (22/3), WMU (22/3) and Detroit 22/11) performance, there's a Butler (4/4), Oklahoma (7/0), Miss St (8/5) and Auburn (10/3).

Anyone see a pattern?

Obi's got 'stud' written all over him. But let's not get ahead of ourselves...especially with undoubtedly 3 or 4 future NBA All-Stars currently redshirting on our bench*!

Regardless! All HAIL Obi Toppin...a future honorary member** of the Royal Dunking Roundtable!

** Only 1 allowed at a time and Sir Trey currently holds that honor.
With his positive attitude and work ethic, the sky's the limit for Obi...he plays as if on a pogo stick. But he does have room for improvement, as noted above. And I'm sure the redshirts are only helping him develop in practice. We're all a bit jaded WRT to how long he stays thanks to Kostas. But I think Kostas' lived in a basketball program "bubble" while he was here...Obi has more of that Big Steve personality and seems to really embrace being part of the entire campus community as well.
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Obi is #16 all-time in points scored by a Freshman. 3 behind Dyshawn Pierre, and 25 behind #10 Juwan Staten. His current scoring average (12.9) puts him at #4 for Freshman average points, between Tony Stanley (13.06) and Roosevelt Chapman (12.76).
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This is where I have a real problem with the team and coaching. Obi is shooting 69%. He should get and shoot the ball every time. Just think of possibly the worst loss - at Auburn. We had 61 attempts. If Obi shoots them all we make 42 baskets. That's 84 points plus the 7 free throws, we score 91 vs Auburn's 82. It's so obvious.
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This is where I have a real problem with the team and coaching. Obi is shooting 69%. He should get and shoot the ball every time. Just think of possibly the worst loss - at Auburn. We had 61 attempts. If Obi shoots them all we make 42 baskets. That's 84 points plus the 7 free throws, we score 91 vs Auburn's 82. It's so obvious.

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This is where I have a real problem with the team and coaching. Obi is shooting 69%. He should get and shoot the ball every time. Just think of possibly the worst loss - at Auburn. We had 61 attempts. If Obi shoots them all we make 42 baskets. That's 84 points plus the 7 free throws, we score 91 vs Auburn's 82. It's so obvious.
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Regardless! All HAIL Obi Toppin...a future honorary member** of the Royal Dunking Roundtable!

** Only 1 allowed at a time and Sir Trey currently holds that honor.
Trey better put his big boy, team player, no whining, pants back on, or I'll be calling for a special meeting of the Roundtable to discuss changing the current future honorary member.

And "Dunking", as in Wafer Cookies in Mimosa's, right?
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As Figgie showed me yesterday at the Royal Feast, Trey hasn't hit a trey since Georgia Southern. UGH!

But once an Honorary member, always an Honorary member so his spot to my immediate right is safe. As for adding Toppin...it can only happen if a current Royal Roundtable member steps down or is demoted. It hasn't happened yet, but if members insist on meddling in my Royal business, it will.
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This is where I have a real problem with the team and coaching. Obi is shooting 69%. He should get and shoot the ball every time. Just think of possibly the worst loss - at Auburn. We had 61 attempts. If Obi shoots them all we make 42 baskets. That's 84 points plus the 7 free throws, we score 91 vs Auburn's 82. It's so obvious.
I think the team is working towards more Obi and Josh touches - whatever the opponent gives us. I saw Jalen throw the ball back to Frankie instructing him to get it into Obi last game. It was clearly what the team was working to run.
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But once an Honorary member, always an Honorary member so his spot to my immediate right is safe. As for adding Toppin...it can only happen if a current Royal Roundtable member steps down or is demoted. It hasn't happened yet, but if members insist on meddling in my Royal business, it will.
So, when Clayton and Shocka show their faces around the rest of the roundtable, I can work on a demotion vote of no-confidence in a certain King.
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I am a huge Obi fan, but do not forget 40% of his baskets come on dunks. He will surpass the one year dunk record. For Obi to be first round draft material he must develop his outside shot. I am guessing, but 95% of his baskets have been from five feet and in. He had five total dunks against the four Top 25 teams.

If Obi wants to go to the G League, he can go anytime. If attending school is okay for him, and he wants the big bucks of a first round choice and guaranteed roster spot, he will be here next year, and until he gets a consistent outside shot and improves his rebounding.

I am sure the scouts are all over him, but are tempered by the fact he is doing his act against mediocre competition.
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I am a huge Obi fan, but do not forget 40% of his baskets come on dunks. He will surpass the one year dunk record. For Obi to be first round draft material he must develop his outside shot. I am guessing, but 95% of his baskets have been from five feet and in. He had five total dunks against the four Top 25 teams.

Have you been watching the games?!?! Dude is 3-7 from 3, a 69% FT shooter, and swishes jumpers when he takes them (he just doesn't take many).



I'm not sure how much he needs to "develop" his outside shot. He's just smart enough not to take them when not necessary, and the offense is not built around him taking jumpers.
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Have you been watching the games?!?! Dude is 3-7 from 3, a 69% FT shooter, and swishes jumpers when he takes them (he just doesn't take many).

I'm not sure how much he needs to "develop" his outside shot. He's just smart enough not to take them when not necessary, and the offense is not built around him taking jumpers.
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Have you been watching the games?!?! Dude is 3-7 from 3, a 69% FT shooter, and swishes jumpers when he takes them (he just doesn't take many).



I'm not sure how much he needs to "develop" his outside shot. He's just smart enough not to take them when not necessary, and the offense is not built around him taking jumpers.
I agree. I think Obi can shoot pretty well right now. I don't think that he really needs to be taking many of those jumpers at this point. He is leading the country in shooting percentage because he is really freaking hard to stop around the rim and he is taking full advantage of that.

He does not perform well against highly physical teams who clog up the lane. I think that will change as he becomes more physically mature and concentrates on some post moves. Right now, Cunningham is getting most of our back-to-the-basket opportunities. When a team like Saint Joe's concentrates on Josh, Obi is on the weak side ready for the put-back jam. It's kind of his role with Cunningham this year.

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Obi is a rare specimen and we’re lucky to have him. But he’s not NBA ready — and not because of his offense. He still has loads to learn defensively. He literally leaves his feet on EVERY pump fake, and for all of that jumping ability, his timing is not yet refined enough to classify him as a shot blocker. He’s got great hands, but he’s often thinking bucket before catch, hence some of those turnovers and bobbles.

Believe me, I think he has an NBA future. As Phil Martelli said, there isn’t ANYONE in the A-10 that has more upside — and this from a guy who coached Jameer Nelson, Delonte West and several other pro talents. But the NBA won’t come after this season, and maybe not until he’s at least a junior, possibly even a senior. So, let’s enjoy him while he develops. When he’s eventually mastered the floor to his full capability, we can salute him for a great career when the NBA does call his number. He’s got a ways to go ...
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I assume you are joking.
I know, right, the guy LITERALLY has zero touch on his shot.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BmeLEAlg...ource=ig_embed

Are we sure he's even right handed? Turrible.

It's not like he's ready to lead the NBA in 3P% but good lord, you act like his shot is a major liability. His shot already looks better than Chris Wright as a senior. Great rotation, footwork, etc. Wasn't it the Virginia game where he split the double team off the dribble and pulled up from 10' and swished the shot?

I trust he'll continue to develop his shot and he will be a reliable jump shooter by the time he leaves UD, relative to his 6'9" frame. I'm not expected 3 shots from behind the arc every game but teams sure aren't going to leave him uncontested at 15'.
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Right now a lot of his success depends on getting good feeds down low. The team seems to be working on that focus lately.

I'd like to see him develop a sky hook.
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I know, right, the guy LITERALLY has zero touch on his shot.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BmeLEAlg...ource=ig_embed

Are we sure he's even right handed? Turrible.

It's not like he's ready to lead the NBA in 3P% but good lord, you act like his shot is a major liability. His shot already looks better than Chris Wright as a senior. Great rotation, footwork, etc. Wasn't it the Virginia game where he split the double team off the dribble and pulled up from 10' and swished the shot?

I trust he'll continue to develop his shot and he will be a reliable jump shooter by the time he leaves UD, relative to his 6'9" frame. I'm not expected 3 shots from behind the arc every game but teams sure aren't going to leave him uncontested at 15'.
Be realistic. You already have him on the All-NBA team because his shot looks good and he makes a bunch in warmups. Those cats in the NBA are on a whole different level than the A10. How do you get his outside shooting is a major liability from his shooting is not NBA ready? And what's with the Chris Wright comparison? Can his agent get him in the first round this year by saying he shoots better than Chris Wright?

If his outside shooting was good now, that is 45%+ beyond ten feet, Grant would have him shooting a bunch of those now, and certainly in a game like George Mason or VCU.

Let me be very clear, Obi is an incredible talent, and does a lot of things really well, and has a good looking shot, but his defense and shooting THIS SEASON are not NBA ready.
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Originally Posted by jack72 View Post
For Obi to be first round draft material he must develop his outside shot.

. . . and until he gets a consistent outside shot and improves his rebounding.
OK tell me, Jack, what exactly is it about this outside shot that is lacking? Improper lift from the legs? Improper footwork? Not squaring his shoulders? Poor follow through? Tell me, what does he need to "develop"?

Or would you admit that "develop" is TV commentator-speak for "he's not NBA ready yet so I'll just pick on the thing he's shown the least as the thing he needs to improve"?

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If his outside shooting was good now, that is 45%+ beyond ten feet, Grant would have him shooting a bunch of those now
15' jumpers in our toughest games from our 6'9" freshman, eh? Well that's 1 plan. Or, maybe it's less of a commentary on his shooting ability and more a commentary on Grant's desire to get a different shot.

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Be realistic. You already have him on the All-NBA team because his shot looks good and he makes a bunch in warmups.
Sure, I'll start being realistic, because I'm the one who's exaggerating. I clearly stated he won't be NBA first team until his second year.

Just because he hasn't shot many jumpers it doesn't mean we should assume he can't shoot the jumper. There's a difference between knowing your role and ability.
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Right now a lot of his success depends on getting good feeds down low. The team seems to be working on that focus lately.

I'd like to see him develop a sky hook.
The hook is way under utilized today
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Originally Posted by rollo View Post
I love Obi and all the energy he brings to the team as well as his unselfish attitude about coming off the bench despite being a Top 3 player for My Team...BUT!

For every St. Joe's (25pts, 12 rbs), Ga State (22/3), WMU (22/3) and Detroit 22/11) performance, there's a Butler (4/4), Oklahoma (7/0), Miss St (8/5) and Auburn (10/3).

Anyone see a pattern?

Obi's got 'stud' written all over him. But let's not get ahead of ourselves...especially with undoubtedly 3 or 4 future NBA All-Stars currently redshirting on our bench*!

Regardless! All HAIL Obi Toppin...a future honorary member** of the Royal Dunking Roundtable!

** Only 1 allowed at a time and Sir Trey currently holds that honor.
rollo's post says it all! 4pts, 7pts, 8pts and 10pts against Butler, Oklahoma, Miss. St. and Auburn proves that he is just a freshman and may not have the confidence against top 25 teams as he does against middle of the road A-10 teams but I do believe we will se the gradual improvement on his part. He is not NBA ready as yet!
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Didnít we just sing this song about 7 months ago? NBA ready doesnít mean NBA starter or even NBA role player.

Obi clearly isnít ready yet for those 2 definitions but it doesnít mean he couldnít be drafted if he entered.

Iíve been a die hard Flyer maniac since the late 70s and Obi is the second player Iíve felt could legitimately leave 1 or even 2 years early. I donít see many weaknesses in his game - nothing that time and hard work canít remove.

Obiís mom had some interesting insights on this subject last weekend in NY. Makes me believe she follows the board with some regularity.
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If you have potential, and they draft on potential...why in the hell would you stay in college proving that you CAN'T play at a higher level? Why should you? Because some message board poster states that you're not ready and you need a degree to fall back on and your family doesn't get how things work?

Look, we have no idea what is going to happen with Obi's development over the next few months or two years. We have no idea what NBA scouts and front offices will think of him. But coach AG will. And if the kid can get drafted in the first round this year or next or the next, he should go and AG should push him out the door.

I hope we get a few more early entrants over the next few years. The only thing it hurts is the APR - and I'll trade 100% sweet sixteens for 100% APR any day of the week and twiceo on Sunday.
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If you have potential, and they draft on potential...why in the hell would you stay in college proving that you CAN'T play at a higher level? Why should you? Because some message board poster states that you're not ready and you need a degree to fall back on and your family doesn't get how things work?

Look, we have no idea what is going to happen with Obi's development over the next few months or two years. We have no idea what NBA scouts and front offices will think of him. But coach AG will. And if the kid can get drafted in the first round this year or next or the next, he should go and AG should push him out the door.

I hope we get a few more early entrants over the next few years. The only thing it hurts is the APR - and I'll trade 100% sweet sixteens for 100% APR any day of the week and twiceo on Sunday.
If they complete their classes, it doesn't hurt the APR
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Many people on here in the case of Kostas misunderstood the NBA's desire for potential and athleticism versus raw stats in college

The fact he went to prep school and redshirted means he's older than Trey Landers and should be a junior. I think this is gonna be a factor on how long he's at UD
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The hook is way under utilized today

Well, the hook SHOT is under utilized. But hooking down low is standard practice ;-)
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Be realistic. You already have him on the All-NBA team because his shot looks good and he makes a bunch in warmups. Those cats in the NBA are on a whole different level than the A10. How do you get his outside shooting is a major liability from his shooting is not NBA ready? And what's with the Chris Wright comparison? Can his agent get him in the first round this year by saying he shoots better than Chris Wright?

If his outside shooting was good now, that is 45%+ beyond ten feet, Grant would have him shooting a bunch of those now, and certainly in a game like George Mason or VCU.

Let me be very clear, Obi is an incredible talent, and does a lot of things really well, and has a good looking shot, but his defense and shooting THIS SEASON are not NBA ready.
Don’t forget, Obi will be 37 when he graduates in three more years. Just sayin.
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I have been thinking about posting my thoughts on Obi for the last week or so. Perhaps some Priders may feel "I have been drinking," but I will leave that to CoffeeCan.
I agree with you, Obi is fun to watch. And a lot of untapped potential as well. Speaking of untapped, I just ripped into a Winter Stout... Cheers.
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As impressive as Obi is, we must look at defense as well. He is everything advertised as a freshman on the offensive end. If his defense can match his offense you may be watching history.
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