19-20 Season News/Discussion

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by Radar Love his comment that last year's 2nd team would beat the 1st team 7 out of 10 times.

That's a fun fact to contemplate. But really, does anyone think that if we flipped the teams it would have resulted in an A10 Championship and a couple of NCAA games? Let's keep it real.

One real expectation this year will be fantastic intra squad scrimmages. And great depth in the likely event that someone will get hurt. That's what makes good teams great.

[BeckysTXA]

Originally Posted by Fudd My hopes for squad improvement this year are: 1. A lot more inside physical presence in the post. 2. Better defense. I felt that our coaching staff had to make some concessions on defense due to our very short bench last year.

Jhery seemed to address both of these in this article with his comment about Jordy and his bye-in to defense with the goal of being named the A10 defensive POY.

[ud2]

https://www.scout.com/basketball/col...a-gators-at-7/:


Scout.com top 35:

1. Michigan State

3. Kansas

24. Davidson

29. VCU

31. SMC


I still can not believe Memphis at #6. They go from unranked to top 10 in one year without cheating on the recruiting trail? And Memphis has a bit of a history of NCAA violations. At least 3 hc's have gotten caught cheating or been accused of cheating while there: Calipari, Josh Pastner, and Dana Kirk.

[Wallage]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer That's a fun fact to contemplate. But really, does anyone think that if we flipped the teams it would have resulted in an A10 Championship and a couple of NCAA games? Let's keep it real. One real expectation this year will be fantastic intra squad scrimmages. And great depth in the likely event that someone will get hurt. That's what makes good teams great.

The beauty of it is we don't flip the teams. We've got both to throw at opponents. If we had it last year, yeah I think you flip a couple games, maybe VCU twice, and are looking at an NCAA bid. We weren't all that far off as it was.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by ud2 https://www.scout.com/basketball/col...a-gators-at-7/: Scout.com top 35: 1. Michigan State 3. Kansas 24. Davidson 29. VCU 31. SMC I still can not believe Memphis at #6. They go from unranked to top 10 in one year without cheating on the recruiting trail? And Memphis has a bit of a history of NCAA violations. At least 3 hc's have gotten caught cheating or been accused of cheating while there: Calipari, Josh Pastner, and Dana Kirk.

That's what happens when you have a big name coach people kids want to play for. Also, don't forget, Penny was plugged in to HS and AAU circles for years before becoming the coach at Memphis.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 That's what happens when you have a big name coach people kids want to play for. Also, don't forget, Penny was plugged in to HS and AAU circles for years before becoming the coach at Memphis.

Penny is getting talent but can he coach? Time will tell.

Sound familiar?
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[lhsgolf19]

UD updated the Roster

https://daytonflyers.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball

Chatman... #0
Watson... #2
Sissoko... #14
Tshimanga... #32
Johnson... #40

Moulaye is an absolute tank... 6'9" 248

[Lowd&ProUD]

Originally Posted by ud2 I still can not believe Memphis at #6. They go from unranked to top 10 in one year without cheating on the recruiting trail? And Memphis has a bit of a history of NCAA violations. At least 3 hc's have gotten caught cheating or been accused of cheating while there: Calipari, Josh Pastner, and Dana Kirk.

Here’s a tidbit that the average fan thinks is true and isn’t...

Calipari has never been accused of cheating, let alone caught cheating, by the NCAA.

There are *multiple* college basketball reporters who dislike Cal so much they’ve made it a mission to be the person that brings him down. None have.

If you want to make the argument that “it doesn’t matter because banners came down on his watch”, so be it. No need to let facts get in the way of a good opinion.

[BeckysTXA]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 UD updated the Roster https://daytonflyers.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball Chatman... #0 Watson... #2 Sissoko... #14 Tshimanga... #32 Johnson... #40 Moulaye is an absolute tank... 6'9" 248

Love looking at this roster and I can’t find anyone at this time that is an injury redshirt for the coming season. Knock-on-wood that our injury issues are behind us.

[BeckysTXA]

Here is the increases and one decrease in weights from last year.

Jordy - down 7 lbs to 268. That’s probably a good thing - in better playing shape even with added muscle.

Jalen - plus 6 lbs at 175. All muscle I’m sure.

Ibi - plus 5 lbs at 203. All muscle I’m sure.

Jhery - plus 4 lbs at 196. All muscle I’m sure.

Dwayne - plus 4 lbs at 180. All muscle I’m sure.

Ryan - plus 2 lbs at 217. All muscle I’m sure.

You have to like what our guards have done. Everyone else is listed at the same weight as last year’s roster.

[ud2]

https://bustingbrackets.com/2019/04/...-20-season/21/

Mid-major top 25...#7

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Originally Posted by ud2 https://bustingbrackets.com/2019/04/...-20-season/21/ Mid-major top 25...#7

VCU #2
Davidson #5

[BeckysTXA]

St Bon - 20
DUQ - 13
UD - 7
Dav - 5
VCU - 2

I didn’t research, but probably more A10 teams than any other conference.

Also St Mary’s - 4

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by BeckysTXA St Bon - 20 DUQ - 13 UD - 7 Dav - 5 VCU - 2 I didn’t research, but probably more A10 teams than any other conference. Also St Mary’s - 4

The A-10 looks much improved over last year - Rhode Island, St Louis, George Mason, & Richmond should also be competitive.
Time will tell.

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Whether your glass is half full or half empty, you still have more to drink

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by ud2 https://bustingbrackets.com/2019/04/...-20-season/21/ Mid-major top 25...#7

Yep, I look for big things from Jordan Davis this year

From the article-

Along with the return of upperclassmen role players such as Ryan Mikesell, Jordan Davis, and Trey Landers, head coach Anthony Grant also went to the transfer market

[BeckysTXA]

Article was written 3 months ago. Not sure if that was before JD transfer confirmed?

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by BeckysTXA Article was written 3 months ago. Not sure if that was before JD transfer confirmed?

Oops, missed that detail. Assumed more recent. Thanks

[Fudd]

This is kind of impressive:

Obi Toppin: 2018-19 (Redshirt Freshman) • Played in all 33 games for the Flyers this season, starting 15 • Averaged 26.5 minutes of play and 5.6 rebounds per game • Named the Atlantic-10 Rookie of the Year, the first University of Dayton Player to be awarded this title • First freshman to be named First Team All-Atlantic 10 in 20 years • Named to the A-10 All-Rookie Team • Led Dayton in scoring (14.4 ppg) and was fourth in the nation in FG% (.666, 201-302) • Tallied 28 blocked shots for the season • Ranked second nationally in dunks and set the Dayton school record with 83 dunks this season • Won the Male Rookie Award at RUDYS (UD's all-sport end-of-the year awards event) • Declared for the NBA draft and worked out for six teams before returning to UD

[longtimefan]

A-10 teams aren't usually included in these "mid-major" rankings. This must be a different one than I normally see, or the conference has dropped in stature.

[The Fly]

Makes a lot less sense to have Gonzaga in there.

[Bigtimeflyersguy]

Originally Posted by longtimefan A-10 teams aren't usually included in these "mid-major" rankings. This must be a different one than I normally see, or the conference has dropped in stature.

The a10 has pretty much always been considered mid major, AND the conference has dropped in stature.

Even in 2014 when we had 6 teams in the tourney, we were mid major.
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[ud2]

Originally Posted by BeckysTXA Article was written 3 months ago. Not sure if that was before JD transfer confirmed?

The article was written 3 monnths ago, JD announced his intention to transfer around March 25, and he announced MTSU as his destination around April 3, so the article was inaccurate.

I never saw the article posted 3 months ago, so I posted it. It was an old article, but it was still mostly relevant now, lol.

[Viperstick]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 Moulaye is an absolute tank... 6'9" 248

[CT Flyer]

They also based their Duquesne ranking on Eric Williams Jr. still being there. They have since updated it with an * at the bottom saying his departure now puts them in the honorable mention list and not #13.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[OSU Flyer]

With Michigan State potentially looming in the 2nd round in Maui

Jordy had a career 15 points & 9 rebounds against the Spartans his freshman year in only 24 minutes

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...meId=400915079

[OSU Flyer]

Barttovik Projections:

http://www.barttorvik.com/rosters20.php?t=Dayton

Dayton 58th in the preseason

http://www.barttorvik.com/trankpre.php

[Swampy Meadows]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Barttovik Projections: http://www.barttorvik.com/rosters20.php?t=Dayton

He is missing Chase Johnson on the roster.

[tirebiter]

Am I reading it right that he has Ibi projected at 2.7 points per game? And Jordy at 4.3? I would bet Ibi and Jordy will both be above 10.

And Chase will get his 8 or 10 somewhere too. I look for a high scoring team this year - just hope they can play some D!

[OSU Flyer]

Torvik is a KenPom style algorithm basedt site so I imagine projecting guys like Jordy and Ibi are based off the numbers at their old stop

If their A10 rankings hold up then the league is in for best year in a long time

http://www.barttorvik.com/conf.php?conf=A10&year=2020

[OSU Flyer]

From an Arch article on Wright State but the point could still apply to UD

He said he believes having a full roster has more benefits than just providing options when a player is lost to injury or even foul trouble.With a short roster, he said players can get comfortable – even lackadaisical — because they know they’re always going to get to play. “Twelve guys also takes care of some attitude issues,” he said. “It forces you to show up and compete every day. There’s a little bit of fear: “If I don’t work hard, someone will take my place.’ So it keeps everybody on edge and makes everybody play harder. It makes everybody better.”

https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...7akZ5qN8QJrHN/

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by tirebiter Am I reading it right that he has Ibi projected at 2.7 points per game? And Jordy at 4.3? I would bet Ibi and Jordy will both be above 10. And Chase will get his 8 or 10 somewhere too. I look for a high scoring team this year - just hope they can play some D!

That has to be a typo. Unless he doesn't know JD transferred? Most people on this board (including myself) think Ibi will be in the starting lineup. There is no possible way our starting SG is only scoring 2.7 points a game.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Barttovik Projections: http://www.barttorvik.com/rosters20.php?t=Dayton Dayton 58th in the preseason http://www.barttorvik.com/trankpre.php

58? Yikes, I hope that is WAY off.

[CT Flyer]

I think the projections on Rodney are low too. He seems to have a scorers mentality and I believe he will be above 10 ppg.

[OSU Flyer]

I think the thing with the Torvik prediction is that he's using an algorithm so I'm guessing it plugs in Ibi and Jordy's production from their old schools so that undersells them

To me I look at as actually a plus because this assumes UD is 58th with Ibi and Jordy turning in minimal contributions. Cohill I think is undersold on there too.

If any of Ibi, Jordy or Dwayne step like we think they're capable of then UD is moving way up

[TommyGola]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer I think the thing with the Torvik prediction is that he's using an algorithm so I'm guessing it plugs in Ibi and Jordy's production from their old schools so that undersells them To me I look at as actually a plus because this assumes UD is 58th with Ibi and Jordy turning in minimal contributions. Cohill I think is undersold on there too. If any of Ibi, Jordy or Dwayne step like we think they're capable of then UD is moving way up

In other words, sadly trying to use analytics based on history to project output when conditions have changed. I have seen this too many times in the business world and it is absolutely useless.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by TommyGola In other words, sadly trying to use analytics based on history to project output when conditions have changed. I have seen this too many times in the business world and it is absolutely useless.

I think for a team in UD's situation this isn't great but someone like Davidson where your major contributors are back and your newcomers aren't expected to play much of a roll it might have some more value

[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by TommyGola In other words, sadly trying to use analytics based on history to project output when conditions have changed. I have seen this too many times in the business world and it is absolutely useless.

How many points did JS score for tosu and what projection did that translate to? I’m sure some first hand eye witness reports may be a bit biased but would be a much better predictor than this useless algorithm
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[DGO67]

It would be difficult to project all 347 D-I teams with minimal bias and
careful scrutiny of past performance. eg how could any analyst accurately predict which players have peeked and which are about to blossom into big time contributors...which teams will excel with new-found chemistry?
That's why ranking teams via statistical algorithm is a time saver but sketchy
at best.

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Stories from interviews every day over the next week:
https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...2LOtBhzwcL4kI/

[hawkoooo]

I could be mistaken, but I don't believe I've seen this video posted on UDPride. My apologies if it already was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta-Wuc1tKXc


Whoever edited this has some skills. Be forewarned, you will get chills.

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

7/24 Mikesell
https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...vFgl1bb2SJpnL/

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

7/25 Trey Landers
https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...fANlMB43vyPhM/

[maddog07]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo I could be mistaken, but I don't believe I've seen this video posted on UDPride. My apologies if it already was. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta-Wuc1tKXc Whoever edited this has some skills. Be forewarned, you will get chills.

Wonder if Obi will get some All American consideration.
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[TX Flyer]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo I could be mistaken, but I don't believe I've seen this video posted on UDPride. My apologies if it already was. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta-Wuc1tKXc Whoever edited this has some skills. Be forewarned, you will get chills.

Whoever edited this does not have skills. Splicing together a bunch of clips and adding a track on top is as easy as can be.

But on a positive note...Looking forward to his growth as a player but more importantly, his dunks

[TommyGola]

Originally Posted by maddog07 Wonder if Obi will get some All American consideration. Posted via Mobile Device

I have been saying the same thing. I think he has a shot at becoming an All-American. If they play MSU earl on, the Spartans better be ready for him.

[jack72]

"4. Off-court activities: Senior Trey Landers said coach Anthony Grant asked the players to read the book “Chop Wood, Carry Water: How to Fall in Love With the Process of Becoming Great.” They read a couple chapters and then discuss them in a team meeting."

How many other coaches/teams are doing this? We have more than a coach in Grant, he is a builder of men and minds.

[rollo]

With added depth I anticipate every returning starter will see their minutes reduced. Along with reduced minutes, i also see better offensive distribution, meaning Obi, Crutcher, etc will have lower pts, rbs, assists, etc. it’s hard to get AA status if your numbers go down, especially for an A10 player. In other word, there’s little to no chance Obi makes AA...unless it’s as an Academic AA. Face it, Duke, UK, Kansas, etc...have a virtual monopoly on AAs. With rare exception does that honor trickle down that far.

King Rollo the Obi-vious....OUT!!
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[TommyGola]

Originally Posted by rollo With added depth I anticipate every returning starter will see their minutes reduced. Along with reduced minutes, i also see better offensive distribution, meaning Obi, Crutcher, etc will have lower pts, rbs, assists, etc. it’s hard to get AA status if your numbers go down, especially for an A10 player. In other word, there’s little to no chance Obi makes AA...unless it’s as an Academic AA. Face it, Duke, UK, Kansas, etc...have a virtual monopoly on AAs. With rare exception does that honor trickle down that far. King Rollo the Obi-vious....OUT!! Posted via Mobile Device

I don't see his numbers going down. I think he has a shot at 20 points/10 rebounds per game. That will be hard not to recognize.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by rollo With added depth I anticipate every returning starter will see their minutes reduced. Along with reduced minutes, i also see better offensive distribution, meaning Obi, Crutcher, etc will have lower pts, rbs, assists, etc. it’s hard to get AA status if your numbers go down, especially for an A10 player. In other word, there’s little to no chance Obi makes AA...unless it’s as an Academic AA. Face it, Duke, UK, Kansas, etc...have a virtual monopoly on AAs. With rare exception does that honor trickle down that far. King Rollo the Obi-vious....OUT!! Posted via Mobile Device

Everyone's minutes might go down, but not Obi. You don't put someone of that talent level on the bench just to distribute minutes. When the talent level is closer guys might say "I could help the team if you'd sub me in for Joe an extra 5 minutes per game." When it's Obi, his backup simply must know that Obi is better at 75% than the backup at 100%.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by rollo With added depth I anticipate every returning starter will see their minutes reduced. Along with reduced minutes, i also see better offensive distribution, meaning Obi, Crutcher, etc will have lower pts, rbs, assists, etc. it’s hard to get AA status if your numbers go down, especially for an A10 player. In other word, there’s little to no chance Obi makes AA...unless it’s as an Academic AA. Face it, Duke, UK, Kansas, etc...have a virtual monopoly on AAs. With rare exception does that honor trickle down that far. King Rollo the Obi-vious....OUT!! Posted via Mobile Device

Except Ja Morant, soph from Murray 2019
Jock Landale, sr from St Mary's 2018.
Alec Peters, sr from Valpo 2017
Kay Felder, jr from Oakland 2016

[chicago92]

Originally Posted by jack72 "4. Off-court activities: Senior Trey Landers said coach Anthony Grant asked the players to read the book “Chop Wood, Carry Water: How to Fall in Love With the Process of Becoming Great.” They read a couple chapters and then discuss them in a team meeting." How many other coaches/teams are doing this? We have more than a coach in Grant, he is a builder of men and minds.

Lots of coaches are doing this type of thing these days. Grab almost any book by Jon Gordon and coaches are using them. In particular these 3:
- Training Camp
- The Energy Bus
- Coffee Bean (latest release)

Here is a link to all of his books: Easy reads, applicable as hell and develops people for life.

http://www.jongordon.com/books/

[cj]

https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...fANlMB43vyPhM/

No comment necessary
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[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by TX Flyer Whoever edited this does not have skills. Splicing together a bunch of clips and adding a track on top is as easy as can be.

Cool story bro.

[Runnin' Rebel]

https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...mpression=true

Loved this quote from Crutcher:

“When we get on the court, nobody’s friends,” he said. “We always get to arguing. It’s a good thing.”

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

7/27 https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...eVebd25IH7tpN/
Returning players give scouting report on the transfers.

[San Diego Flyer]

What an outstanding read from the DDN. The info, interviews, et al. give goosebumps. Just to hear what the players think is so much better than fandom swapping ignorance.

Special shout out for this post.

My favorite take aways are that Ibi is a lights out shooter. Chase is as athletic as Obi. And Chatman is a lock down defender.

[66flyer]

Hawkooo, I saw this on Youtube a while ago, possibly a pop-up from DDN on my phone. It's like a mind-meld between Crutcher and Toppin. I get goose bumps! It never gets old.

SDF--I read the players' evaluations yesterday and totally agree. It means so much coming from them as to how much they admire and appreciate their teammates' talents.
I've already got butterflies in my stomach just thinking about the new season.

[DGO67]

Sounds like the team has the beginnings of great chemistry.
Nice bunch of returnees, excellent transfers and recruits...hang on for a great ride! 24-25 wins should get us into the Dance barring outright A10 crown.

[lhsgolf19]

This will be the deepest UD team in quite some time... Yes this is probably deeper than the '14 Elite 8 Team. I Can't Wait!

No Excuses this year

[BeckysTXA]

One of those preseason prediction websites has UD finishing third in the A10. The reasoning was we had a lot of talent returning and transfers that can play this year. Even said Obi was a bonafied Pro-level talent. Said we had the depth and talent to win it all except the guy wanted to wait to see how the chemistry was going to play out. Said Grants biggest challenge would be keeping everyone happy with their roles/minutes.

Maybe it’s just me...but I don’t see this group with chemistry problems. And I’m not getting the feeling there will be problems with minutes. After the first two years when AG didn’t have much of a bench to go to I can’t imagine he won’t take full advantage of his depth of talent this year and the guys all know that and it sounds like they have bought into what AG is building.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 This will be the deepest UD team in quite some time... Yes this is probably deeper than the '14 Elite 8 Team. I Can't Wait! No Excuses this year

What is so exciting is that the players are the ones genuinely saying we are two teams deep. Not some annual rag, or a talking head.

I recall in the aftermath of the Memphis Regional, Johnny Dawkins, Coach of the defeated Stanford team, said "they (UD) came at us in waves". We destroyed Stanford. We had beef, savvy, and talent. I think this 2019 team has the pieces to be even better.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by Lifelong Flyer Fan 7/27 https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...eVebd25IH7tpN/ Returning players give scouting report on the transfers.

Now, I’m all the more excited for this season to start! As long as they remember “team first”, they could find themselves playing on The Second Weekend next March.

Optimistic? Yes. Premature? Definitely. Unrealistic? I don’t think so.
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[ud69]

Katz does not think we are even in the top 60
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball...r-36-following

[TommyGola]

Originally Posted by ud69 Katz does not think we are even in the top 60 https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball...r-36-following

X at 15...give me a break.

[Monster Man]

Originally Posted by ud69 Katz does not think we are even in the top 60 https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball...r-36-following

That’s fine, let us be the disrespected underdog. I’d rather have our guys playing with a chip on their shoulder. However, I am pretty tired of the P5 bias in the sports media.

[TX Flyer]

Originally Posted by Monster Man That’s fine, let us be the disrespected underdog. I’d rather have our guys playing with a chip on their shoulder. However, I am pretty tired of the P5 bias in the sports media.

Let’s play under the radar instead of as top 25 with highlights on espn/fs1 after every game. That sure will get the team playin better

[Monster Man]

Originally Posted by TX Flyer Let’s play under the radar instead of as top 25 with highlights on espn/fs1 after every game. That sure will get the team playin better

I didn’t say anything about “playing under the radar”. If our team wins, we’ll get national exposure. Unfortunately, A-10 teams don’t get the benefit of favorable preseason respect. What is it that you don’t understand?

[Fudd]

I'm most enthused about having several guys coming in who should give us an immediate physical presence in the paint against top 50 teams. I felt that was our most serious limiting factor last year. I've always said that it shows up against our top-level opponents, while not being as critical against the lower level teams that don't have the big bodies.

[jpk4ud]

It will be interesting to see how people take to 3-5 players subbing in and out kind of like BG use to do. If you don't think that will happen I believe you are mistaken. Or will it be first 5 and second 5?

[BeckysTXA]

Originally Posted by jpk4ud It will be interesting to see how people take to 3-5 players subbing in and out kind of like BG use to do. If you don't think that will happen I believe you are mistaken. Or will it be first 5 and second 5?

I’m inclined to think its interchangeable parts. Last year in practice it was mostly first 5 + 3 subs vs another first 4 (transfers) + a walk-on or two.

[TommyGola]

Originally Posted by jpk4ud It will be interesting to see how people take to 3-5 players subbing in and out kind of like BG use to do. If you don't think that will happen I believe you are mistaken. Or will it be first 5 and second 5?

There is no way Coach Grant will ever initiate scripted hockey line substitutions. That kept the Flyers out of too many NCAAs under Coach Gregory. I don't know if he is still doing that or not, but keep the concept away from the Flyers. You only end up diluting your talent on the floor.

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[jpk4ud]

Originally Posted by TommyGola There is no way Coach Grant will ever initiate scripted hockey line substitutions. That kept the Flyers out of too many NCAAs under Coach Gregory. I don't know if he is still doing that or not, but keep the concept away from the Flyers. You only end up diluting your talent on the floor.

We will see but with so many players that will need/want PT. If he plays fast you might see some wholesale changes.

[hawkoooo]

I don't see why there would be PT issues. There's literally one backup point guard. So he'll get minutes. And if he's 1/10 of what Kyle Davis is defensively he'll get plenty of minutes. Crutcher will see a much needed reduction in minutes which should help end-game situations and might even boost his offensive production. Cohill will see some garbage minutes at PG (this will go up/down per game based on how much off-ball work Crutcher and Chatman are getting).

I'm guessing Ibi and Jhery will essentially split duty at the "SG" position. How even of a split this is will depend entirely upon how real this hype is about Ibi's shooting and how effective he is on defense in comparison to Jhery, or other guard options like Cohill and Chatman who are known commodities defensively. Again I see Cohill cleaning up minutes here. I used to be sold on Ibi starting but the more I think about it the more it makes sense to start Matos. Who knows, I'm not in practice nor privy to how close to 100% Matos actually is.

Trey will start at the 3 to begin with at least and should get his minutes based on toughness alone (he led the team in rebounds last year, remember). I think we all know what Trey has to do to sustain good minutes, including Trey. Who plays the most after Trey is a weird question. I want to say Mikesell, but I suppose Ibi and Jhery will also be used at this "position." Chase when he's eligible? Dare I say, OBI!?

Mikesell will start at he 4. Obviously the starting line-up is all for show and to reward hard-working upper classmen but if Mikesell is at least on-par with last year's stats he should be fine for minutes here and at the "3." Obi will get plenty of minutes here when the real bigs are in and Chase when eligible.

Obi will start at the 5 but our true center transfer Jordy will be on the court a lot if not in foul trouble (and to pick up fouls when others are). I don't think Sissoko will redshirt because by all accounts he is physically ready. If that is true then he should get some garbage time here and at the 4 that will fluctuate based on his +/- and other's foul trouble.

To sum up, starting lineup and first-off bench with projected total minutes (I didn't bother with Chase, too confusing):

Crutcher: 30 mins
Matos: 18
Landers: 23
Mikesell: 28
Toppin: 28

Watson: 15
Chatman: 22
Tshimanga: 15
Cohill: 13
Sissoko: 8

[Runnin' Rebel]

I'm thinking Crutcher and Chatman start at the 1 and 2 (with Cohill and Matos getting minutes).

Watson starts at the 3 (with Matos and Trey getting minutes).

Miksell and Obi start at the 4/5 (Trey, Johnson, Jordy getting minutes).

Sissoko will be worked in at small doses, as the staff gets comfortable with his progress of the offensive/defensive schemes.

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by Runnin' Rebel I'm thinking Crutcher and Chatman start at the 1 and 2 (with Cohill and Matos getting minutes). Watson starts at the 3 (with Matos and Trey getting minutes).

Solid take. And making me re-think SL quite a bit.

[EliteEight]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo Solid take. And making me re-think SL quite a bit.

Landers will continue to be our glue and effort guy but he's definitely coming off the bench. It'll be interesting to see how the 2&3 positions are managed this year with Ibi, Jhery, Cohill, and Chatman (plus Mikesell and Landers getting occasional run at the 3). We have a lot of interchangeable parts. Should be fun!

I'm thinking we'll see a bunch of lineups.

[springborofan]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 This will be the deepest UD team in quite some time... Yes this is probably deeper than the '14 Elite 8 Team. I Can't Wait! No Excuses this year

Not only will this team be deep, it will be a veteran team. Ryan is in his fifth year. Trey, Jordy, Obi (including his Prep year) Jhery, Ibi, and Rodney are starting their fourth year. Seven players are at least three years removed from HS. I don’t recall UD ever having that many older players. Jalen and Chase are in their third year. Only Dwayne and Moulaye are considered “young”

[Buckleyma]

Since Dayton has well documented issues of scheduling in the out-of-conference games, I think we all agree on the importance of Dayton’s performance in the Maui Invitational. Therefore, I believe that Anthony Grant must prepare his team for that invitational. I see these two conundrums for Mr. Grant: 1) he must get his experienced players ready. Experience under pressure will be paramount. Landers, Mikesell, Toppin and Crutcher must get minutes. 2) Grant recruited bigs just for such an invitational. We’ll need rim protection, eating up space in the middle, blocking out, setting screens and rebounding. Tshimanga, Sissoko and Chase Johnson (hopefully cleared to play) must be ready and have the opportunity to show that they are ready for division 1 prior to the invitational. Therefore, they need minutes.

How to get all these people significant minutes?

I only see Grant playing small fast ball; if Tshimanga, Sissoko and Johnson fail him. He did not recruit these bigs to sit them on the bench. I think that this coaching staff got a belly full of sitting Pierce on the bench, last year. They got weary of looking at Pierce’s 6’11” 250 frame sitting on the pine. They do not want to repeat that.
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[CE80]

Originally Posted by BeckysTXA Maybe it’s just me...but I don’t see this group with chemistry problems. And I’m not getting the feeling there will be problems with minutes. After the first two years when AG didn’t have much of a bench to go to I can’t imagine he won’t take full advantage of his depth of talent this year and the guys all know that and it sounds like they have bought into what AG is building.

I don't think the concern with chemistry is whether they all like each other and go out to the movies and dinner together and don't hit on each other's girlfriends. The chemistry concern is on the court. Do they complement each other on the court? I'm not saying that there is a concern but I can see why some need to see how they play together before going all in on this team. To me, chemistry issues aside, outside shooting is still something we may be lacking.

[jack72]

As great as Obi is, Grant did not start him right away. Look for the same this year from the new guys, especially Tshimanga. Of course starting is a token honor. The cream will rise to the top as to minutes played.

[CT Flyer]

I think over the last two years if Grant has shown anything about his coaching style its that he will play the players who give the team the best chance to win, and this can change from game to game. In Grant's system you earn your playing time each game, there is no set lineups or substitutions.

[steve]

Always potential chemistry issues or, rather, concerned talk about it months before a season begins with just a couple new transfers let alone basically 5 new ones counting Matos...

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by steve Always potential chemistry issues or, rather, concerned talk about it months before a season begins with just a couple new transfers let alone basically 5 new ones counting Matos...

These guys play together constantly. It is not like they only pick up the ball and play together during the season. They have open gyms at least once a week, go to other schools open gyms together, play in the rec plex together, have had summer workouts together and whole season to practice with and against each other. I would be more worried if these guys were grad transfers that show up first day of classes in the fall and you only have a couple months to get ready. All these guys have been together over a year now. I do not think this is nearly as big of a risk that some people are making it.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 These guys play together constantly. It is not like they only pick up the ball and play together during the season. They have open gyms at least once a week, go to other schools open gyms together, play in the rec plex together, have had summer workouts together and whole season to practice with and against each other. I would be more worried if these guys were grad transfers that show up first day of classes in the fall and you only have a couple months to get ready. All these guys have been together over a year now. I do not think this is nearly as big of a risk that some people are making it.

you're talking about - practice!

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by jack72 As great as Obi is, Grant did not start him right away. Look for the same this year from the new guys, especially Tshimanga. Of course starting is a token honor. The cream will rise to the top as to minutes played.

And who finishes as well. Also, we are set up for situational substitutions this season. Especially defenders and pressers in crunch time.

[Flyers98]

Originally Posted by Lowd&ProUD Here’s a tidbit that the average fan thinks is true and isn’t... Calipari has never been accused of cheating, let alone caught cheating, by the NCAA. There are *multiple* college basketball reporters who dislike Cal so much they’ve made it a mission to be the person that brings him down. None have. If you want to make the argument that “it doesn’t matter because banners came down on his watch”, so be it. No need to let facts get in the way of a good opinion.

While that may be trfue I think it is also true that he has technically only been to like 2 final fours, on account of all the banners that have come down (at schools where he didn't cheat.)

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

7/29 Obi
https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...ez7KJN6kfMLeO/

[BeckysTXA]

With regard to playing time, under Grant two years ago, just ask Kostas and XW how not getting on board with AGs system, and worrying about me-first versus supporting the players on the court worked out. The transfers weren’t around that year, but plenty of guys were to keep everyone focus on the team first.

[Swampy Meadows]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer And who finishes as well. Also, we are set up for situational substitutions this season. Especially defenders and pressers in crunch time.

This right here, SDF.

Think about the defensive lineups that AG will have at his disposal.

My favorite would be going “big”as opposed to “small.” How about Jordy, Obi, Chase, Ryan and Matos?
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[steve]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 These guys play together constantly. It is not like they only pick up the ball and play together during the season. They have open gyms at least once a week, go to other schools open gyms together, play in the rec plex together, have had summer workouts together and whole season to practice with and against each other. I would be more worried if these guys were grad transfers that show up first day of classes in the fall and you only have a couple months to get ready. All these guys have been together over a year now. I do not think this is nearly as big of a risk that some people are making it.

This ain't batting practice. Totally different once you get inside the white lines and the games start. You now have what it's called a head coach that is dictating playing time and minutes. You don't just enter a game when the guy ahead of you needs a blow.

You can play practice games all you want and pick up ball and make 10 mistakes but if you do that in a game you are coming out. Nobody has an idea how guys will react to that if they're playing time dwindles one game and maybe increases one game and then the windows again.

You got plenty of guys that don't log a lot of minutes that feel they should be playing more and plenty of times the chemistry can be ruined because of this. Anthony Grant will tell you today that there is no easy task ahead of him for the season.

[312to937]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo To sum up, starting lineup and first-off bench with projected total minutes (I didn't bother with Chase, too confusing): Crutcher: 30 mins Matos: 18 Landers: 23 Mikesell: 28 Toppin: 28 Watson: 15 Chatman: 22 Tshimanga: 15 Cohill: 13 Sissoko: 8

We are loaded, for sure. Tough to figure how minutes will play out, but I think you are way too low on Watson. Also, Chase should play a major part so you have to give him material minutes . . . and thus take away from the others you listed. My guess is Landers and Mikesell will get less (combined) than you posted.

Would be shocked if both Matos and Landers started. Both will make contributions (Matos with D and his passing ability; Landers with hustle and rebounding), but unless they've improved significantly offensively, you are going to have trouble scoring in the half court.

[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by steve This ain't batting practice. Totally different once you get inside the white lines and the games start. You now have what it's called a head coach that is dictating playing time and minutes. You don't just enter a game when the guy ahead of you needs a blow. You can play practice games all you want and pick up ball and make 10 mistakes but if you do that in a game you are coming out. Nobody has an idea how guys will react to that if they're playing time dwindles one game and maybe increases one game and then the windows again. You got plenty of guys that don't log a lot of minutes that feel they should be playing more and plenty of times the chemistry can be ruined because of this. Anthony Grant will tell you today that there is no easy task ahead of him for the season.

Not sure I agree with much of this. AG showed who was in charge 4 games into his inaugural season when he sat JC and JC for I believe
an entire game in SC and took what was almost sure loss.

That attitude and direction continued with XW, JC and JP later in the year when he had no bench. Those who have bought in would go to war with AG. AG earns loyalty from his players and if 2-3 guys on the current team replay the dissenting attitudes I fully expect the rest to grow even closer as a team. It also helps when your superstar isn’t a prima-donna.

I thing AG is chomping at the bit to get the talent laden team on the court and achieve on the court more than what is on paper. Fans worry about the what could happen - leaders take advantage of the opportunities presented to them. I can’t believe he’s worried about playing time etc. as he knows it’s all on the players to earn it or deal with not earning it.
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[Radar]

Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer I can’t believe he’s worried about playing time etc. as he knows it’s all on the players to earn it or deal with not earning it.Posted via Mobile Device

Exactly

[steve]

Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer Not sure I agree with much of this. AG showed who was in charge 4 games into his inaugural season when he sat JC and JC for I believe an entire game in SC and took what was almost sure loss. That attitude and direction continued with XW, JC and JP later in the year when he had no bench. Those who have bought in would go to war with AG. AG earns loyalty from his players and if 2-3 guys on the current team replay the dissenting attitudes I fully expect the rest to grow even closer as a team. It also helps when your superstar isn’t a prima-donna. I thing AG is chomping at the bit to get the talent laden team on the court and achieve on the court more than what is on paper. Fans worry about the what could happen - leaders take advantage of the opportunities presented to them. I can’t believe he’s worried about playing time etc. as he knows it’s all on the players to earn it or deal with not earning it. Posted via Mobile Device

Not sure I understand a clue with what you're saying. Nobody is doubting AG's own ability to handle this. What is the total unknown at this exact time is just how all the players and especially 5 new players handle this and if they all buy in. If you've actually been reading other posts that's the unknown. These guys haven't run a play together as a full team when it matters nor have they relied on a certain player to have the ball in his hands at a certain time or to take a big shot. That's all going to happen this season.

You only have 5 guys out on the floor at any one time. Players will need to buy into their roles here which aren't even established yet. EVERY single coach EVERY single year yearns for great chemistry but it's not known at this time with 5 new players/transfers with some who have played at big-time schools,were quite heralded as HS players and were heavily recruited..And, yes, if you've ever coached or played it's always a concern.....

You, I nor anyone else on this board have any idea on 7-30-19 how any of the new players will respond and if you think you do then you're playing Miss Cloe here. **** happens in the course of a season both on the court and in the locker room and these are still 20-21 year old kids.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by steve This ain't batting practice. Totally different once you get inside the white lines and the games start. You now have what it's called a head coach that is dictating playing time and minutes. You don't just enter a game when the guy ahead of you needs a blow. You can play practice games all you want and pick up ball and make 10 mistakes but if you do that in a game you are coming out. Nobody has an idea how guys will react to that if they're playing time dwindles one game and maybe increases one game and then the windows again. You got plenty of guys that don't log a lot of minutes that feel they should be playing more and plenty of times the chemistry can be ruined because of this. Anthony Grant will tell you today that there is no easy task ahead of him for the season.

Obviously real games are more structured than practice/open gym ect, but that is when I learned the most about my teammates. These moments are when you learn how a player improvises, and you develop a chemistry together. This is also when you learn to just look at a guy and you both know exactly what each other is going to do. Then you add in the structure of games and you are ready to go. Open gyms are just as valuable at building chemistry as games and practice during the season. There is a reason whenever a recruit is on campus at any school, they have an open gym. It is so the recruit can get a feel of how the players play and vice versa.

I get what you are saying about players being upset about minutes, but in most cases that is an issue between player and coach and not player and teammates.

[Whacker]

I think the starting five is going to be Crutcher, Chatman, Landers, Mikesell and Toppin. That is a small backcourt, but I think Chatman plays "bigger" and he brings a unique and much needed skill set. He gets to the line. His last season at Chattanooga his FT rate (FTA/FGA) was 41%, which would have been the highest on last year's Dayton squad by a large margin.

One question with that lineup is shooting. Mikesell has shot 33% from deep all three years, so I would expect similar results this year with room for slight improvement. Landers is a bit of a wildcard with a limited number of attempts both years and large fluctuation between them (35% vs 20%).

I could see Cohill as the back-up PG or AG could stagger minutes and run Chatman there. Watson and Matos round out the 2nd unit wings. Johnson backs up Mikesell at the 4 and Tshimanga/Sissoko back up Toppin at the 5.

I'm expecting significant jump on the defensive end with a full rotation and plenty of experience. I like the ability of this team to gang rebound and then push pace by just about anyone. Also, at any time there are going to be at least 4 and sometimes 5 good passers on the floor. The ball should really have life this year and that should encourage more activity off-ball.

For me if they can keep 3 shooters on the floor most of the time this could be a special season. Not sure if that comes from internal development or surprise from some new faces, but that is something I'll be watching closely.

[CT Flyer]

I keep hearing that Cohill may be the backup point guard but personally I do not see it. He RARELY played there last year so I doubt he will do it this year. On the rare occasions that Crutcher was out of the game last year it was almost always Jordan Davis that ran the point in his absence. I think it will be Crutcher and Chatman at the point barring both of them being in foul trouble/fouled out this year.

[TommyGola]

Originally Posted by Whacker I think the starting five is going to be Crutcher, Chatman, Landers, Mikesell and Toppin. That is a small backcourt, but I think Chatman plays "bigger" and he brings a unique and much needed skill set. He gets to the line. His last season at Chattanooga his FT rate (FTA/FGA) was 41%, which would have been the highest on last year's Dayton squad by a large margin. One question with that lineup is shooting. Mikesell has shot 33% from deep all three years, so I would expect similar results this year with room for slight improvement. Landers is a bit of a wildcard with a limited number of attempts both years and large fluctuation between them (35% vs 20%). I could see Cohill as the back-up PG or AG could stagger minutes and run Chatman there. Watson and Matos round out the 2nd unit wings. Johnson backs up Mikesell at the 4 and Tshimanga/Sissoko back up Toppin at the 5. I'm expecting significant jump on the defensive end with a full rotation and plenty of experience. I like the ability of this team to gang rebound and then push pace by just about anyone. Also, at any time there are going to be at least 4 and sometimes 5 good passers on the floor. The ball should really have life this year and that should encourage more activity off-ball. For me if they can keep 3 shooters on the floor most of the time this could be a special season. Not sure if that comes from internal development or surprise from some new faces, but that is something I'll be watching closely.

Ibi will be the starter at the 3-slot, not Trey Landers...love Trey but his inability to hit the outside shot creates too much collateral impact on the big guys. Trey will get some minutes at the 2/3/4, but not as a starter.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by steve Nobody is doubting AG's own ability to handle this. What is the total unknown at this exact time is just how all the players and especially 5 new players handle this and if they all buy in.

I think you're contradicting yourself.

If you don't doubt AG's ability to handle it, then you shouldn't worry that the players can handle it.

[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by steve Not sure I understand a clue with what you're saying. Nobody is doubting AG's own ability to handle this. What is the total unknown at this exact time is just how all the players and especially 5 new players handle this and if they all buy in. If you've actually been reading other posts that's the unknown. These guys haven't run a play together as a full team when it matters nor have they relied on a certain player to have the ball in his hands at a certain time or to take a big shot. That's all going to happen this season. You only have 5 guys out on the floor at any one time. Players will need to buy into their roles here which aren't even established yet. EVERY single coach EVERY single year yearns for great chemistry but it's not known at this time with 5 new players/transfers with some who have played at big-time schools,were quite heralded as HS players and were heavily recruited..And, yes, if you've ever coached or played it's always a concern..... You, I nor anyone else on this board have any idea on 7-30-19 how any of the new players will respond and if you think you do then you're playing Miss Cloe here. **** happens in the course of a season both on the court and in the locker room and these are still 20-21 year old kids.

All but MS and CJ have been with the program for at least a year. They’ve bonded or not, they’ve bought in or not but they all know exactly what is expected of them and how they can or won’t see PT. While it’s true I don’t know exactly who will buy in if their expectations surpass their PT, I do know AG will handle it and the team will be fine. We’ve already seen that occur multiple times. We’ve also seen a star player benched for lack of effort, a wanna be starter benched for half a season, and a no nonsense starter be removed from the starting lineup.

There is plenty of reason to not be worried about every PT situation and how that may hurt the chemistry. Give me any 8 of these totally sold out for the team and the coach and they’ll do great things. We know we have 6 already as we’ve seen them in the heat of battle. All we need is 2 of the new 5 to be special this year. I fully expect that number to be higher.

Listening to the coach, the kids and those in the know, we can know today what the chemistry is like and how those that don’t buy in will be dealt with and how the others will respond.

For someone who says we can’t know squat, you sure are supposing a lot about what you know. Didn’t you suppose AG biggest worry is your biggest worry? How do we know that on 07-30-2019 at noon?
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