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This sounds more like a reason rather than an excuse, doesn't it Mich?

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Most lawyers wouldn’t let Page testify under these circumstances. She was apparently only given four days notice and was not provided with documents to review in advance.

Would you testify under those circumstances.

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Lisa Page - A subpoena is not optional.
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I'll repeat, a subpoena is not optional.
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This sounds more like a reason rather than an excuse, doesn't it Mich?

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Most lawyers wouldn’t let Page testify under these circumstances. She was apparently only given four days notice and was not provided with documents to review in advance.

Would you testify under those circumstances.

No, you would not.

Swampy - Are there some recent new rules regarding honoring a subpoena? I have been in several litigation situations regarding depositions and trial testimony. I never heard of a requirement that documents be presented in advance nor a minimum number of days to prepare.
There are rules that prosecutors have to share evidence with the defense, but that would not apply here. She could always show up and plead the fifth. I suspect that is what she will do if she ever does show up.
Have some new rules that I never knew about regarding subpoenas been promulgated?

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Speaker Ryan slams Page for ignoring subpoena.
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Mueller asks court for 100 more blank subpoenas ahead of Manafort trial:

http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...ad-of-manafort
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I'll repeat, a subpoena is not optional.
Oh really???

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FBI agent Peter Stzrok: In the fall of 2016, I had info that could "derail, and quite possibly, defeat Mr. Trump. But the thought of exposing that information never crossed my mind....This investigation is not politically motivated, it is not a witch hunt, it is not a hoax."
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Strzok nails it:

https://twitter.com/krassenstein/sta...30336383397889


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This is beyond outrageous from Goodlatte & Gowdy. Strzok is an FBI employee and has been ordered by the FBI not to answer certain q's because they would compromise Mueller's probe, & they are threatening him with criminal contempt if he doesn't. Shameful behavior.

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Congressional Republicans are threatening a FBI agent with contempt of Congress for refusing to answer questions about the ongoing Mueller investigation that the FBI instructed him not to answer. This is an abuse of power that demonstrates their *own* bias and bad faith.

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As you watch today's Strzok hearing, remember that in prior hearings top Trump aides who secretly met with our enemies and lied to the public about their activities were repeatedly allowed to not answer whatever questions they didn't feel like answering. This hearing is a *sham*.

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Lisa Page will testify tomorrow and if it goes anything like Peter Strzok’s today it will be a nothingburger:

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Can anyone name any investigation that has been anything other than a nothingburger? Yet ungodly amounts of taxpayer money are wasted, see Mueller, to put on a publicity stunt.
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Strzok claims that Mueller did not fire him over "bias". He says that Mueller only fired him because of public perception.

So, here we have thousands of Strzok texts talking about hating Trump and his supporters, trying to stop him from being President, making an insurance policy in case he gets elected, and on the first day of the Mueller investigation, talking about a Trump impeachment, etc, etc. But Mueller thinks that is OK as long as it is not revealed to the public. It's only perception of the public that he is concerned about, not the bias within his investigative group.

If we are to believe Strzok's testimony, the rest of Muellers investigative team could be filled with the same hate and bias against Trump, and Mueller would be perfectly fine with it as long as it is not revealed to the public.

What does that say about the integrity of the Mueller investigation?

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Mueller indicts 12 Russians on charges related to hacking of DNC emails:

https://t.co/xg11bjPCcc

"The Conspirators, posing as Guccifer 2.0, wrote to a person who was in regular contact with senior members of the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump, 'thank u for writing back. did u find anyt[h]ing interesting in the docs I posted?'"
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In addition, the new Mueller indictment has this interesting tidbit regarding an unnamed US Congressman:


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July 27, 2016, Trump: "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing."

Indictment: That evening, Russian operatives targeted Clinton campaign emails "for the first time."

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So Mich, cj, rollo, Clayton, Fudd, etc: Who did this? InfoWars or Breibart?

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There are attempted hacks to my own servers by the hundreds every day from all over the world. That is just a normal part of being on the internet. That is why we have a firewall. The stupidity of the DCCC and DNC just boggles the mind.

Swampy - Now that we have these new indictments of Russian individuals, how soon do you think these individuals will be arrested and brought to trial?

I will answer for you - Never.

What does Mueller hope to accomplish with these indictments? Nothing will ever come of them. I can only think it is an attempt by Mueller to try and justify his continued investigation with these meaningless charges.
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ud69: Way to conveniently ignore the US Congressman who requested stolen documents from Guccifer 2.0 as well as the US-based "state lobbyist and online media source" who received 2.5 gigs of stolen emails.

They are Americans.

They are also screwed.

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So Mich, cj, rollo, Clayton, Fudd, etc: Who did this? InfoWars or Breibart?

What are you talking about? see Rosenstein's statement below.

But during his press conference, Rosenstein said, "there is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime."
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What are you talking about?
Scroll up to see the excerpts from the indictments.
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ud69: Way to conveniently ignore the US Congressman who requested stolen documents from Guccifer 2.0 as well as the US-based "state lobbyist and online media source" who received 2.5 gigs of stolen emails.

They are Americans.

They are also screwed.

Are you implying these folks committed a crime as well? If so, why were they not indicted?

Swampy - I don't know how much experience you have with computers and the internet. However, most of us in the computer business know that expecting privacy in electronic communication - text, e-mail, etc - is pretty much a non sequitur.
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Just because today’s indictment doesn’t charge Americans doesn’t mean that Americans weren’t involved or won’t be charged in the future. The indictment reveals that the Russians did contact Americans to further their scheme.
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Just because today’s indictment doesn’t charge Americans doesn’t mean that Americans weren’t involved or won’t be charged in the future. The indictment reveals that the Russians did contact Americans to further their scheme.
Are you aware that Hillary and the DNC hired a foreign national to pump the Russians for fake information so that they could further their scheme? Then they fed it to the FBI and other government agencies and treated it as "evidence" to spy on Trump. Isn't this what you claim to be searching for? If Trump had been found to do this, you would be marching on Washington DC with a torch and pitchfork. So let's not play this fake game that you are seeking justice anymore. You want a change in the Presidency outside of the election, and you will push any fake narrative if you think you have a shot.

If Mueller was really looking for Russian collusion in the election, and not just trying to attack Trump, he would be charging Hillary right now.

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Is that all ya got Showme? Mueller hands down multiple indictments and they’re fake news because I posted links about them?

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Just because today’s indictment doesn’t charge Americans doesn’t mean that Americans weren’t involved or won’t be charged in the future. The indictment reveals that the Russians did contact Americans to further their scheme.
All of which happened during the Obama Administration. Why didn't he do something about it?
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These Russian indictments are a big nothing burger and a zero hot dog. They will never prosecute these guys, it has been going on for years, it will stop nothing and is only Mueller trying to justify his $29 million witch hunt.
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Mich: you would have to ask Mitch McConnell that question as he prevented Obama from making the Russian intervention public.
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Mich: you would have to ask Mitch McConnell that question as he prevented Obama from making the Russian intervention public.
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Read this then— you might learn something:

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/0...russian-hacks/
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Read this then— you might learn something:

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/0...russian-hacks/
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Even if all this is true, it certainly doesn't show that McConnell "prevented Obama from making the Russian intervention public." Obama apparently chose not to make it public. And it didn't prevent Obama from doing something about it. Obama didn't work for McConnell. Another swing and a miss by Swampy (if I may call him Swampy).

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Even if all this is true, it certainly doesn't show that McConnell "prevented Obama from making the Russian intervention public." Obama apparently chose not to make it public. And it didn't prevent Obama from doing something about it. Obama didn't work for McConnell. Another swing and a miss by Swampy (if I may call him Swampy).
Obama never wanted to do anything about Russian intervention except express a weak "Just stop that." That put real fear and trepidation into Putin, In 2012, President Obama was overheard over a hot microphone telling President Dmitri Medvedev of Russia he would have "more flexibility" to negotiate with Putin after the election. Obama wanted to work with Russia, not do anything about intervention. However, when Trump wants to meet to work with Russia, the Democrats cry. More of the RESIST movement. Did you hear the Democrats screaming out in the Strozk hearing to try to impede the Republicans from getting key answers from Strozk? Screaming just like they do in restaurants and in Maxine rallies. Real gentlemen and ladies. They do not want the truth.
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Meanwhile Trump was aware of the latest indictments but still refuses to face the truth:

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Trump was briefed by Rosenstein earlier this week about new Russian indictments, yet Trump continued to call Mueller probe a “witch hunt” even today. “I’ll allow the president to speak for himself,” Rosenstein said when asked how Trump reacted to allegations
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I'm not sure Swampy (if I may call him Swampy) knows the difference between "meddling" and "collusion."
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Mueller first has to document “meddling” before he moves on to obstruction of justice, money laundering, aiding and abetting and eventually, collusion.

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Ugh - Jim, er Swampy - There is no crime of collusion in the federal code.
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Ugh - Jim, er Swampy - There is no crime of collusion in the federal code.
Tell that to the DOJ:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily...ion-is-a-crime
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I hadn’t thought’ of asking Putin to extradite indicted Russian agents, Trump says:

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Tell that to the DOJ:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily...ion-is-a-crime

I really hate to use CNN as a source to rebut you Swampy, but it is just too delicious to do so.


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THE FOUR CLUES IN MUELLER’S INDICTMENT THAT POINT TO COLLUSION:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...t-to-collusion

The indictment is carefully worded not to freak out the White House—but a close reading suggests Mueller is just getting started.
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Meddling? Interference? Collusion? Can the dumbass dems or mini-me MSM please define them for us?

IN basketball vernacular, here's my royal assessment:

Meddling is like going to a basketball game and booing the opposition. Everyone does it and nobody cares.

Interference is like going to a basketball game and throwing something on the court. It's stupid, dangerous and cause for ejection.

Collusion is akin to paying off an official to affect the result of a game and is illegal and punishable with jail time.

At this point in the Mueller investigation, it's royally safe to say there was some Meddling, and it should be expected because everyone does it...not just foreign nationals but all political parties (D, R, Green, Socialists, etc... thru propaganda).

I fail to see anything that even borders Interference which means, of course, Collusion is off the table.
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Trump's Remarks on Russian Interference in the Election

I think Trump, as Newt has called for, will clarify his remark in public about Russian meddling in the election. It was not about the legitimacy of his election as no votes were changed. However, Trump may have taken it that way as the Deep State intelligence has worked against him in the past. The real reason for the panic is because they want to delegitimize Trump's election, and Trump has given them no ammunition.

Voters don't have hatred of Trump or see a big problem here. We are deplorables.

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More whatabout's:

https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/puti...s-finest-hour/:

Trump's actions vis-a-vis Russia have been considerably more stringent than his predecessor's -- opening the energy spigots, increasing sanctions, arming the Ukrainians, ejecting 60 Russian agents, etc. As Walter Russell Mead pointed out, if Trump is in Putin's pocket, he's doing a terrible job of it.

...but being gracious to Putin personally while actively opposing what the Russian does in his actions, may be exactly the way to get results. But Trump's opponents don't care about results. Overwhelmed with hate, they would prefer to see the president wounded and impeached than succeed with Putin and bring about a world safer from nuclear armageddon. If Trump achieves this, however, it will be his finest hour. It would be for any president.

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Where is the proof that the Russian "government" interfered in the election? Our Deep State saying so is the only so-called proof. If someone knows of proof, that includes you Swampy, please post it for all to see. Our Deep State seems to know it was Russia, because of the characteristics of the hacks and probably some unrevealed proof with Oligarchs, but what proof is there that the government or Putin was involved?
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As I said, Trump needed to clarify his remarks. Trump says he misspoke on Russian meddling during press conference, accepts US intel findings. He said he said would instead of wouldn't.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...-findings.html

He also said they did not compromise any of the votes. He was legitimately elected.

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As I said, Trump needed to clarify his remarks. Trump says he misspoke on Russian meddling during press conference, accepts US intel findings. He said he said would instead of wouldn't.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...-findings.html

He also said they did not compromise any of the votes. He was legitimately elected.
Lol. “Misspoke”. Can’t make this **** up!!!
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Lol. “Misspoke”. Can’t make this **** up!!!
Have you ever made a mistake in your life?
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Where is the proof that the Russian "government" interfered in the election?
This took 5 seconds:

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein announced the indictment, filed in federal district court in Washington, just days before a scheduled Monday summit in Helsinki between President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin. U.S. intelligence agencies have assessed that Putin ordered a Russian effort to manipulate the 2016 election in Trump’s favor.

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Have you ever made a mistake in your life?
Come on Mich. We all know that President Trump doesn’t make mistakes!!! Just ask him
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Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein announced the indictment, filed in federal district court in Washington, just days before a scheduled Monday summit in Helsinki between President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin. U.S. intelligence agencies have assessed that Putin ordered a Russian effort to manipulate the 2016 election in Trump’s favor.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...nto-dnc-718805
I said proof, Swamp. Proof is not that someone said or assessed. If a prosecuting attorney assesses you committed murder, will you be convicted on that assessment? Of course not, it takes facts. Where are the facts??
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He has admitted he has made mistakes. Did Obama ever admit his mistakes?

In a rare admission of error, President Trump acknowledged on Wednesday that he regrets parts of his first year in office.
"Everybody makes mistakes, but you have to learn from your mistakes," Trump told Reuters during a sweeping Oval Office interview. "Would I have done certain things differently? Yes. Do I want to talk about that? No, but I know what I would have done differently and who I would have chosen differently."

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He has admitted he has made mistakes. Did Obama ever admit his mistakes?

In a rare admission of error, President Trump acknowledged on Wednesday that he regrets parts of his first year in office.
"Everybody makes mistakes, but you have to learn from your mistakes," Trump told Reuters during a sweeping Oval Office interview. "Would I have done certain things differently? Yes. Do I want to talk about that? No, but I know what I would have done differently and who I would have chosen differently."

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Looks good on paper! And why the constant heart on for Obama? I notice that folks talk about him a lot on these forums.
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Looks good on paper! And why the constant heart on for Obama? I notice that folks talk about him a lot on these forums.
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For 8 years anything that went wrong on Obamas watch was GWB fault. We all learned from the example the media set and just can not help ourselves now!
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Looks good on paper! And why the constant heart on for Obama? I notice that folks talk about him a lot on these forums.
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The search for true intellectual honesty demands that we apply the same questions and tests to both parties, IMO. If it had been a different liberal President for the last 8 years, we would be sizing up the criticisms against his or her record.
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For 8 years anything that went wrong on Obamas watch was GWB fault. We all learned from the example the media set and just can not help ourselves now!
Fair enough. By that logic, then, we need to give President Obama credit for our outstanding economy and unemployment rate!!! HAHA! Can’t make this **** up.
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The search for true intellectual honesty demands that we apply the same questions and tests to both parties, IMO. If it had been a different liberal President for the last 8 years, we would be sizing up the criticisms against his or her record.
Fair enough. One thing I’ll say is that President Trump is making it awfully easy for the next President (R; D or otherwise) to be perceived as a hero!!!
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Fair enough. One thing I’ll say is that President Trump is making it awfully easy for the next President (R; D or otherwise) to be perceived as a hero!!!
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Look at Trump's record already. He will be a very hard act to follow. History will sort that out though.
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