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[TA111]

Originally Posted by Go-UD-Go I agree, they look large. The swing between home and away for KenPom is 6.5 points. That is a large mountain to climb, when you are starting from a hole. There is a lot of information that is not in KenPom that can really matter. If you could reliably identify games where KenPom or Sagarin are preposterous, there is a large amount of money that can come your way from the book makers.

Good luck! If you figure out the system let me know. There’s a reason why the books use KenPom to set lines-because it’s darn accurate.

[jack72]

We deserve to stay at #7, but it can change because of the number of voters, who can change votes where they had someone lower or higher. We will be 6-8.

[MD Flyer Pride]

RPI bumped up 3 spots to #7. NET still at #5 (possibly not adjusted for the games last night).

Same RPI as what Chris has on UDPride, of course.


https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba.../rankings/rpi/


https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/rankings/


Go Flyers!

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Chris R Those winning odds at home vs SLU and URI are....preposterous. Not buying it. We may be favorites, perhaps solid favorites, but those odds are almost guarantees. Especially considering those two foes present the most physically-opposing playing style which are the two least-advantageous matchups for our own style and personnel.

What do you think the odds would be of SLU getting punked at Davidson?

I am not concerned about SLU in Dayton. In Brooklyn? That's another story.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Go-UD-Go]

An interesting observation. If you get a toss up game on a neutral court, the chance of winning is 50%. But, if that neutral-court toss up game moves to your home court your KenPom odds go to a 63% chance to win. If you play that game away you have a 37% chance to win.

So, KenPom's rule of thumb, toss ups games become ~2/3 winners at home, but ~1/3 dogs away.

[podcast411]

Originally Posted by jack72 We deserve to stay at #7, but it can change because of the number of voters, who can change votes where they had someone lower or higher. We will be 6-8.

There was a pretty good size gap between us and Duke / Nova - I think we will remain at 7 - as I also do not see us leap Frogging Lou.

Unless SDS craps the bed today - this will have been I believe the first week all season where the top 10 won every game. For a season that has had so many changes / upsets that is pretty surprising.

[Lowd&ProUD]

Originally Posted by CE80 I am not concerned about SLU in Dayton. In Brooklyn? That's another story.

I'm right there with you.

I don't quite get why SLU can bully us around at their place and on a neutral floor, but not at home.

You'd think their bully-ball style (not meant to be derogatory) would travel better than that.

But that's been how this series has played out.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[UDGutter2]

Dayton could move up, as 39 voters have them lower than 7th, whereas only 13 voters have Louisville lower than 6th. Greater possibility of increase in votes for the Flyers.

[podcast411]

Last week the top 10 went a perfect 16 and 0. Probability is the top 10 remains identical this week vs last week. At least this time there are more games on tap - 20 total for the top 10 - everyone is playing 2 games.

Here are the games for the top 10 the week of Jan 27th:

1. Baylor - @ Iowa St 1/29, vs TCU 2/1

2. Gonzaga - @ SNCLRA 1/30, @SanFran 2/1

3. Kansas - @ OK St 1/27, vs TX Tech 2/1

4. SDS - @ New Mexico 1/29, vs Utah St 2/1

5. Flo St. - @ Virgina 1/28, @ VA Tech 2/1

6. Lou - @ BC 1/29, @ NC St 2/1

7. OUR Dayton Flyers - @ Duq 1/29, vs Ford 2/1

8. Duke - vs Pitt 1/28, @ Syracuse 2/1

9. Nova - @ St. John 1/28, vs Creighton 2/1

10. Seton Hall - vs DePaul 1/29, vs X 2/1

Flo St at VA Tech - gives us a couple of reasons to root for VA tech. Be nice to see NC State pull out a victory vs Lou.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[maddog07]

Originally Posted by Go-UD-Go The calculated chance to win each game left in the regular season. The numbers are calculated from the publicly available KenPom page about an hour after the end of the Flyers - Spiders game. @Duquesne 78% Fordham 99% SLU 92% URI 88% @Umass 92% @Vcu 64% Duquesne 93% @GMU 88% Davidson 92% @URI 68% GW 98% Win All 18%

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	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[maddog07]

These odds don’t factor in the chances of injury or illness, especially on our side. Hope we keep rolling 7’s but a snake eyes is always possible and we likely lose a couple. 27-4 is Ok by me.
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[ud2]

Originally Posted by podcast411 Last week the top 10 went a perfect 16 and 0. Probability is the top 10 remains identical this week vs last week. At least this time there are more games on tap - 20 total for the top 10 - everyone is playing 2 games. Here are the games for the top 10 the week of Jan 27th: 1. Baylor - @ Iowa St 1/29, vs TCU 2/1 2. Gonzaga - @ SNCLRA 1/30, @SanFran 2/1 3. Kansas - @ OK St 1/27, vs TX Tech 2/1 4. SDS - @ New Mexico 1/29, vs Utah St 2/1 5. Flo St. - @ Virgina 1/28, @ VA Tech 2/1 6. Lou - @ BC 1/29, @ NC St 2/1 7. OUR Dayton Flyers - @ Duq 1/29, vs Ford 2/1 8. Duke - vs Pitt 1/28, @ Syracuse 2/1 9. Nova - @ St. John 1/28, vs Creighton 2/1 10. Seton Hall - vs DePaul 1/29, vs X 2/1 Flo St at VA Tech - gives us a couple of reasons to root for VA tech. Be nice to see NC State pull out a victory vs Lou.

Baylor, SDS, Kansas, FSU, and Lou with some tougher games. #2 here we come! Lol

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[Medford]

Originally Posted by maddog07 These odds don’t factor in the chances of injury or illness, especially on our side. Hope we keep rolling 7’s but a snake eyes is always possible and we likely lose a couple. 27-4 is Ok by me. Posted via Mobile Device

Why would illness or injury be any more likely on UD's side?


I think at this point I'd be happy with 27-4, well I know I would be, I'm just not sure I would take it. If this team is as good as many continue to say they are (I'm talking national press, not just UD fans) and they have legit final 4 potential, this team should be able to get thru the rest of the regular season with just 1 loss at most, b/c going undefeated in conference, no matter the conference, is always tough. There are no juggernaughts in conference. Teams like SLU, VCU and Rhody will play UD physical, probably others as well, but come NCAA time they're going to see lots of physical play. Short of getting favorable draws along the way, if they want to reach the final 4, they're likely going to have to beat a couple of teams that will get physical and bump and grind UD as much as possible.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[podcast411]

https://apnews.com/APTop25CollegeBasketballPoll

New Rankings for AP are out - as expected we held on to the #7 spot.

Only change in the top 10 are Duke and Nova swapped spots.


Here are the games for the top 10 the week of Jan 27th:

1. Baylor - @ Iowa St 1/29, vs TCU 2/1

2. Gonzaga - @ SNCLRA 1/30, @SanFran 2/1

3. Kansas - @ OK St 1/27, vs TX Tech 2/1

4. SDS - @ New Mexico 1/29, vs Utah St 2/1

5. Flo St. - @ Virgina 1/28, @ VA Tech 2/1

6. Lou - @ BC 1/29, @ NC St 2/1

7. OUR Dayton Flyers - @ Duq 1/29, vs Ford 2/1

8. Nova - @ St. John 1/28, vs Creighton 2/1

9. Duke - vs Pitt 1/28, @ Syracuse 2/1

10. Seton Hall - vs DePaul 1/29, vs X 2/1

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[CvilleFlyer]

Flyers check in at #7 again in the AP poll. 1 thru 6 stayed the same!
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[CvilleFlyer]

Rhode Island gets 6 votes and comes in at #35!
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	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[TX Flyer]

We picked up 24 points closing the gap to #6
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[Medford]

Nova passed Duke and closed the gap from 7 to 8 as well.


Just keep winning, just keep winning....

[Radar]

From what I've seen of SD State, I'm not impressed. I'll even go as far to say that our OT losses to Kansas and Colorado trump their "signature" wins (Creighton, Iowa). And an extra crew of A10 refs must've shown up at the ND vs FSU game Saturday or FSU would be behind us.

Just win...

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Radar From what I've seen of SD State, I'm not impressed. I'll even go as far to say that our OT losses to Kansas and Colorado tr SDump their "signature" wins (Creighton, Iowa). And an extra crew of A10 refs must've shown up at the ND vs FSU game Saturday or FSU would be behind us. Just win...

I was very impressed with SDST as they were closing out the year of 2019. They were a legitimate national championship contender. But they lost Nathan Mensah to injury and they lost the ability to dominate games. With him, they were running opponents out of the building. They are now on borrowed time when it comes to the top 10.

[steve]

Originally Posted by Medford Why would illness or injury be any more likely on UD's side? I think at this point I'd be happy with 27-4, well I know I would be, I'm just not sure I would take it. If this team is as good as many continue to say they are (I'm talking national press, not just UD fans) and they have legit final 4 potential, this team should be able to get thru the rest of the regular season with just 1 loss at most, b/c going undefeated in conference, no matter the conference, is always tough. There are no juggernaughts in conference. Teams like SLU, VCU and Rhody will play UD physical, probably others as well, but come NCAA time they're going to see lots of physical play. Short of getting favorable draws along the way, if they want to reach the final 4, they're likely going to have to beat a couple of teams that will get physical and bump and grind UD as much as possible.

You are selling the teams in this conference short as well as just how difficult it is to win on the road and even at home on occasion. Any game UD could get 2 players in deep foul trouble or get 2 players injured...

I full expect a couple losses in these next 11 games. It won't diminish one thought I have about how good this team is or how far it can go....

While any potential losses won't have me worried, what will is someone going down or not physically able to be close to 100%, a couple key cogs getting into foul trouble and the bench not picking up the slack because there's a significant drop-off there, the team having a bad match-up, not clicking on all cylinders, etc...

[TX Flyer]

Originally Posted by steve You are selling the teams in this conference short as well as just how difficult it is to win on the road and even at home on occasion. Any game UD could get 2 players in deep foul trouble or get 2 players injured... I full expect a couple losses in these next 11 games. It won't diminish one thought I have about how good this team is or how far it can go.... While any potential losses won't have me worried, what will is someone going down or not physically able to be close to 100%, a couple key cogs getting into foul trouble and the bench not picking up the slack because there's a significant drop-off there, the team having a bad match-up, not clicking on all cylinders, etc...

Like 2 starters fouling out and UD still winning? Would that even be possible?

[SLUFLYER]

Originally Posted by TX Flyer Like 2 starters fouling out and UD still winning? Would that even be possible?

Exactly. What would happen if we had two starters foul out AND be in the middle of a dog fight? On the road? Against a quality opponent?

[Medford]

Originally Posted by steve You are selling the teams in this conference short as well as just how difficult it is to win on the road and even at home on occasion. Any game UD could get 2 players in deep foul trouble or get 2 players injured... I full expect a couple losses in these next 11 games. It won't diminish one thought I have about how good this team is or how far it can go.... While any potential losses won't have me worried, what will is someone going down or not physically able to be close to 100%, a couple key cogs getting into foul trouble and the bench not picking up the slack because there's a significant drop-off there, the team having a bad match-up, not clicking on all cylinders, etc...

I don't think I am, or perhaps some are overselling UD. I preface my point by saying "If UD is as good as some claim (national media, not sure UD fans)"...... If we were to take most of the national media thinks are legit final 4 contenders, how many would we think are losing more than once the rest of the way? Would we expect Duke or Kansas to drop more than 1, Gonzaga? I don't think we would, so if UD wants to be held in that same regard, we need to think about no more than 1 slip up.


I'm not saying its going to be particularly easy, I expect dog fights, but I hope that UD is strong enough to fight thru them the way they did in Saint Louis. Want to get that 2 or 3 seed, they need to finish with no more than 1 loss in conference.


UD can help/prevent injuries no more than any other team. Sure losing Topin and Crutcher would be killer, but this team isn't a legit final 4 team without both of them, so that point is kind of moot. Take the top 1 or 2 off just about any team and they take a huge step back.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[DaytonDecibelDungeon]

Originally Posted by TX Flyer Like 2 starters fouling out and UD still winning? Would that even be possible?

Originally Posted by SLUFLYER Exactly. What would happen if we had two starters fouls out AND be in the middle of a dog fight? On the road? Against a quality opponent?

My guess is we would just put the ball in Crutcher's hands and let him hit a game-winning 3 from the top of the key

[Flyer 86]

Who gives a crap, we are perfectly fine and GREAT where we are. Keep playing team ball and doing AG UD Ball!!

We goin places 😁

[podcast411]

Here are the games for the top 10 the week of Jan 27th:

1. Baylor - @ Iowa St 1/29, vs TCU 2/1

2. Gonzaga - @ SNCLRA 1/30, @SanFran 2/1

3. Kansas - W @ OK St 1/27, vs TX Tech 2/1

4. SDS - @ New Mexico 1/29, vs Utah St 2/1

5. Flo St. - @ Virgina 1/28, @ VA Tech 2/1

6. Lou - @ BC 1/29, @ NC St 2/1

7. OUR Dayton Flyers - @ Duq 1/29, vs Ford 2/1

8. Nova - @ St. John 1/28, vs Creighton 2/1

9. Duke - vs Pitt 1/28, @ Syracuse 2/1

10. Seton Hall - vs DePaul 1/29, vs X 2/1

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[Flyerferd]

Originally Posted by podcast411 Here are the games for the top 10 the week of Jan 27th: 1. Baylor - @ Iowa St 1/29, vs TCU 2/1 2. Gonzaga - @ SNCLRA 1/30, @SanFran 2/1 3. Kansas - W @ OK St 1/27, vs TX Tech 2/1 4. SDS - @ New Mexico 1/29, vs Utah St 2/1 5. Flo St. - @ Virgina 1/28, @ VA Tech 2/1 6. Lou - @ BC 1/29, @ NC St 2/1 7. OUR Dayton Flyers - @ Duq 1/29, vs Ford 2/1 8. Nova - @ St. John 1/28, vs Creighton 2/1 9. Duke - vs Pitt 1/28, @ Syracuse 2/1 10. Seton Hall - vs DePaul 1/29, vs X 2/1

incidentally, that San Diego State New Mexico game immediately follows ours on CBS Sports network.
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	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[podcast411]

Originally Posted by Flyerferd incidentally, that San Diego State New Mexico game immediately follows ours on CBS Sports network. Posted via Mobile Device

What are the chances they thought they would be getting two back to back top 10 games when they scheduled that originally?

[Flyerferd]

Originally Posted by podcast411 What are the chances they thought they would be getting two back to back top 10 games when they scheduled that originally?

i’m guessing somewhere between zero and 7%. lol
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[frisco flyer]

Who are the biggest overachievers, underachievers in top leagues?

[UDEE79]

Originally Posted by frisco flyer Who are the biggest overachievers, underachievers in top leagues?

Haha X biggest BE underachiever
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[MrFlyerFanatic]

Florida State left the door open.

[podcast411]

Update of games for the top 10 the week of Jan 27th:

1. Baylor - @ Iowa St 1/29, vs TCU 2/1

2. Gonzaga - @ SNCLRA 1/30, @SanFran 2/1

3. Kansas - W @ OK St 1/27, vs TX Tech 2/1

4. SDS - @ New Mexico 1/29, vs Utah St 2/1

5. Flo St. - L @ Virgina 1/28, @ VA Tech 2/1

6. Lou - @ BC 1/29, @ NC St 2/1

7. OUR Dayton Flyers - @ Duq 1/29, vs Ford 2/1

8. Nova - W @ St. John 1/28, vs Creighton 2/1

9. Duke - W vs Pitt 1/28, @ Syracuse 2/1

10. Seton Hall - vs DePaul 1/29, vs X 2/1


Well Virginia just opened up a spot ahead of us. We just need to take care of business this week.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[San Diego Flyer]

We might have moved up even with a FSU win. What a pitiful game. The winner had 17 turnovers, and the loser couldn't throw it in the ocean. One "highlight" was a breakaway layup where the shooter (in slow motion) took 4 1/2 steps before laying it in.

[flyerfanatic86]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer We might have moved up even with a FSU win. What a pitiful game. The winner had 17 turnovers, and the loser couldn't throw it in the ocean. One "highlight" was a breakaway layup where the shooter (in slow motion) took 4 1/2 steps before laying it in.

UVA pretty much makes every team look bad offensively. FSU probably wouldn't be punished for that.

[Jeff]

Wouldn’t get ahead of anything yet. FSU will drop below us but Duke and Nova can easily jump over us, simply because of the power conference bias.

Just win the next game, that’s all that matters.

[SLUFLYER]

Originally Posted by Jeff Wouldn’t get ahead of anything yet. FSU will drop below us but Duke and Nova can easily jump over us, simply because of the power conference bias. Just win the next game, that’s all that matters.

I would say Nova and Duke (Nova in particular) could jump us based on how impressive their win was/is and little to do with conference bias. They (Nova) went on the road and picked up a Q1 win by absolutely blitzing St. John's. If they win at home in impressive fashion this weekend over Creighton, they could easily vault us.

As a fan, it would be really cool to see UD creep into the Top 5. However, I focus less on the Top 10 teams and our chances to move in the rankings and more on the resume opportunities for Q1&Q2 victories, as well as the chances that other "quality" wins stay quality wins.

Tonight, let's go unleash a shock and awe arsenal on the Dukes. It will be tough. Based on Dambrot's quote re: the Flyers, "if we get into an up and down game with Dayton, they'll kick our a$$es", I expect him to pull a Travis Ford, control tempo, no fast break baskets and/or dunks, make Toppin play with his back to the basket and eliminate any space in the half court...…..unless he's pulling a Jim Valvano vs PhiSlammaJamma and just suggesting a slow down game.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[San Diego Flyer]

If we should happen to smoke the spread, whatever it is, odds are with us to move at least to 6.

[jpk4ud]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer If we should happen to smoke the spread, whatever it is, odds are with us to move at least to 6.

My feeling is that Nova & Duke will jump us with a couple wins this week. They will use the conferences they play in to make their case. Just a feeling...

[podcast411]

Originally Posted by jpk4ud My feeling is that Nova & Duke will jump us with a couple wins this week. They will use the conferences they play in to make their case. Just a feeling...

If we win both - I do not see either jumping us. The gap was big enough we should be able to stay ahead of both.

[Glen Clark]

I remember when we dismissed the polls because they were just beauty contests (and we weren't in them).

Ah, the good old days . . .

____________________
Now and then it's good to pause in our pursuit of happiness, and be happy.
Guillaume Apollinaire

[podcast411]

Update of games for the top 10 the week of Jan 27th:

1. Baylor - W @ Iowa St 1/29, vs TCU 2/1

2. Gonzaga - @ SNCLRA 1/30, @SanFran 2/1

3. Kansas - W @ OK St 1/27, vs TX Tech 2/1

4. SDS - W @ New Mexico 1/29, vs Utah St 2/1

5. Flo St. - L @ Virgina 1/28, @ VA Tech 2/1

6. Lou - W @ BC 1/29, @ NC St 2/1

7. OUR Dayton Flyers - W @ Duq 1/29, vs Ford 2/1

8. Nova - W @ St. John 1/28, vs Creighton 2/1

9. Duke - W vs Pitt 1/28, @ Syracuse 2/1

10. Seton Hall - W vs DePaul 1/29 , vs X 2/1


So far top 10 have gone 8-1.

[MD Flyer Pride]

#4 RPI
#5 NET
#7 in all these polls

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/rankings/


I'll take it. Keep it rolling!

Go Flyers!

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by Glen Clark I remember when we dismissed the polls because they were just beauty contests (and we weren't in them). Ah, the good old days . . . ____________________ Now and then it's good to pause in our pursuit of happiness, and be happy. Guillaume Apollinaire

I remember when we had whole threads debating how many of our 10 losses were bad/good losses.

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by MD Flyer Pride #4 RPI #5 NET #7 in all these polls I'll take it. Keep it rolling! Go Flyers!

Sagarin..................12
RPI.........................4
TeamCast................8
NET.........................5
Team Rankings.........9
KenPom...................5
BPI..........................6
AP Poll.....................7
USA-Coaches Poll......7

Average...................7

_____________________
Whether your glass is half full or half empty, you still have more to drink

[TX Flyer]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer I remember when we had whole threads debating how many of our 10 losses were bad/good losses.

We always hear about teams that have good loses and/or bad loses. How quick will the NCAAT committee dismiss UD as a 1 seed for two loses to Top 25 teams as still being loses instead of a "good loss"?

Does this season help UD in scheduling next year showing that a loss to UD is not bad and the reward could be a top 15 (Q-1 win)? I believe P5 schools will still dismiss UD and see it as a blip on the map due to having Obi.

[podcast411]

Originally Posted by TX Flyer Does this season help UD in scheduling next year showing that a loss to UD is not bad and the reward could be a top 15 (Q-1 win)? I believe P5 schools will still dismiss UD and see it as a blip on the map due to having Obi.

This season to date will help with getting more games scheduled with top teams outside of the P5 and maybe some lower level P5 teams. But it will not help us at all with the scheduling the teams we would love to do home / aways with - such as Ohio State. Larry said it best Monday night - no top team wants to schedule a team they think will beat them.

Maybe we get a home / away with Wichita State or even Cincy - but not with the blue bloods of the P5. Not yet at least. If we cut the nets in ATL - then maybe things change.

[The Fly]

Originally Posted by TX Flyer Does this season help UD in scheduling next year showing that a loss to UD is not bad and the reward could be a top 15 (Q-1 win)? I believe P5 schools will still dismiss UD and see it as a blip on the map due to having Obi.

I would tend to agree, given Obi’s quick ascension into national prominence. But I’ve noticed a lot of love for Jalen on a national level of late, and that might help negate any talk of a blip. Based on what he’s done thus far, Jalen may have some cachet carryover into next season. It remains to be seen, of course.

[CE80]

The P5 (certainly the upper tier) doesn't want to play us - period The only way they would want to play us if we really stunk to the level of buy game worthy. My hope is the teams like St. Marys start to recognize that it is better to play H/H in what should be an enthusiastic environment rather than in those neutral site games in Phoenix.

[podcast411]

Update of games for the top 10 the week of Jan 27th:

1. Baylor - W @ Iowa St 1/29, vs TCU 2/1

2. Gonzaga - W @ SNCLRA 1/30, @SanFran 2/1

3. Kansas - W @ OK St 1/27, vs TX Tech 2/1

4. SDS - W @ New Mexico 1/29, vs Utah St 2/1

5. Flo St. - L @ Virgina 1/28, @ VA Tech 2/1

6. Lou - W @ BC 1/29, @ NC St 2/1

7. OUR Dayton Flyers - W @ Duq 1/29, vs Ford 2/1

8. Nova - W @ St. John 1/28, vs Creighton 2/1

9. Duke - W vs Pitt 1/28, @ Syracuse 2/1

10. Seton Hall - W vs DePaul 1/29 , vs X 2/1


So far top 10 have gone 9-1.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by podcast411 Update of games for the top 10 the week of Jan 27th: 1. Baylor - W @ Iowa St 1/29, vs TCU 2/1 2. Gonzaga - W @ SNCLRA 1/30, @SanFran 2/1 3. Kansas - W @ OK St 1/27, vs TX Tech 2/1 4. SDS - W @ New Mexico 1/29, vs Utah St 2/1 5. Flo St. - L @ Virgina 1/28, @ VA Tech 2/1 6. Lou - W @ BC 1/29, @ NC St 2/1 7. OUR Dayton Flyers - W @ Duq 1/29, vs Ford 2/1 8. Nova - W @ St. John 1/28, vs Creighton 2/1 9. Duke - W vs Pitt 1/28, @ Syracuse 2/1 9. Duke - W vs Pitt 1/28, @ Syracuse 2/1 10. Seton Hall - W vs DePaul 1/29 , vs X 2/1 So far top 10 have gone 9-1.

I have heard of home-n-home, but never back-to-back! They are tied with themselves at number 9. Good for the NET.

[MD Flyer Pride]

With Villanova and Seton Hall losing today, it gives us some breathing room. Less chance for someone to jump us in the rankings.

If we beat Fordham today, no reason we don't move up.

Go Flyers!

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by MD Flyer Pride With Villanova and Seton Hall losing today, it gives us some breathing room. Less chance for someone to jump us in the rankings. If we beat Fordham today, no reason we don't move up. Go Flyers!

If we beat Fordham in over time with a buzzer beater by one, we ain't moving up lol

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[udx2]

Interesting losses by no. 10 Seton Hall and no. 8 Nova — both lost at home and to a team that built a considerable lead during the first half.

Could see another upset: no. 16 Butler at home v. Providence.

[NCkevi]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 If we beat Fordham in over time with a buzzer beater by one, we ain't moving up lol

I disagree. The #8 and #10 teams both lost so they obviously aren't going to pass us And even if Duke wins today I don't see voters jumping them 3 spots for beating a 13 win Pitt and Syracuse team

[Bill McPeek]

Originally Posted by NCkevi I disagree. The #8 and #10 teams both lost so they obviously aren't going to pass us And even if Duke wins today I don't see voters jumping them 3 spots for beating a 13 win Pitt and Syracuse team

The Friars ae ahead by 4 with just under 4 to play

[udx2]

Providence held on to win.

[Go-UD-Go]

Based on KenPom.com accessed Saturday night, 2/1:
* 21% chance to win out the regular season
* 38% chance to lose one and only one game
* 54% chance to win the A10 tournament
* 11% chance to win out the season + tournament

[Go-UD-Go]

Here are the single game chances.

SLU 91%
URI 85%
@Umass 91%
@Vcu 63%
Duquesne 92%
@GMU 89%
Davidson 92%
@URI 64%
GW 98%

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[podcast411]

Update of games for the top 10 the week of Jan 27th:

1. Baylor - W @ Iowa St 1/29, W vs TCU 2/1 - Staying Put

2. Gonzaga - W @ SNCLRA 1/30, W @SanFran 2/1 - Staying Put

3. Kansas - W @ OK St 1/27, W vs TX Tech 2/1 - Staying Put

4. SDS - W @ New Mexico 1/29, vs Utah St 2/1

5. Flo St. - L @ Virgina 1/28, W @ VA Tech 2/1 - Moving down to 8th

6. Lou - W @ BC 1/29, W @ NC St 2/1 - Moving up to 5th

7. OUR Dayton Flyers - W @ Duq 1/29, W vs Ford 2/1 - Moving up to 6th

8. Nova - W @ St. John 1/28, L vs Creighton 2/1 - Moving out of Top 10

9. Duke - W vs Pitt 1/28, W @ Syracuse 2/1 - Moving up to 7th

10. Seton Hall - W vs DePaul 1/29 , L vs X 2/1 - Moving out of top 10 - bye bye


Looks like we will be solidly 6th.

[springborofan]

It wouldn’t surprise me to see UD remain 7th and Duke jump ahead. The bias is real.

[The Fly]

Originally Posted by springborofan It wouldn’t surprise me to see UD remain 7th and Duke jump ahead. The bias is real.

Agree. I’d bet the moon we stay at 7 and Duke jumps us. Bias is part of it, but beating Syracuse on the road is a tad more impressive than beating Fordham at home.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[NCkevi]

Originally Posted by The Fly Agree. I’d bet the moon we stay at 7 and Duke jumps us. Bias is part of it, but beating Syracuse on the road is a tad more impressive than beating Fordham at home.

and beating the Net #88 on the road is more impressive than the #78 at home
On Monday UD will be #6, Duke #7

Only way UD does not move up is if FSU only drops 1

[The Fly]

Originally Posted by NCkevi and beating the Net #88 on the road is more impressive than the #78 at home On Monday UD will be #6, Duke #7 Only way UD does not move up is if FSU only drops 1

I hope you’re right. I just don’t have that much confidence in the poll voters.

[podcast411]

Here is the most likely top 10 for this coming week and their games.


1. Baylor - @ K St 2/3, vs OK St 2/8

2. Gonzaga - vs Loyal 2/6, @ SMC 2/8

3. Kansas - vs Texas 2/3, @ TCU 2/8

4. SDS - @ AF 2/8

5. Lou - vs WF 2/5, vs Vir 2/8

6. OUR Dayton Flyers - vs St. Lou 2/8

7. Duke - @ BC 2/4, @ UNC 2/8

8. Florida St. - vs UNC 2/3, vs Miami 2/8

9. Maryland - vs Rutgers 2/4, @ ILL 2/7

10. Auburn - @ Ark 2/4, vs LSU 2/8


There will be a big gap between 7 and 8 this week.

The Top 7 really are playing not to lose to hold their spot and wait for those above them to lose so they can move up. That means we will have 5 teams above us with 9 chances for them to lose a game. We are one of just two in the top 10 not playing two games this week.

I don't believe Duke will jump us as others have said - I do believe the gap will narrow but we should still be 30 to 40 pts above them. But then there will be a huge 250 to 300 pt drop between 7th and 8th.

[steverino015]

tough run of games coming up for
Baylor..

in their next 8 games,
they play W VA twice, and Kansas...

Go Flyers!

[steverino015]

exciting stretch run here for
all of the Top 10 teams...

they are all just wanting to "hold serve"
and not lose... just keep winning!

I am going over the schedules for
the Top 10, and there are several
tough games coming up...
for all of them

Go Flyers!

just keep winning,
each win gets us closer to running
out the season...

[ud2]

Originally Posted by NCkevi and beating the Net #88 on the road is more impressive than the #78 at home On Monday UD will be #6, Duke #7 Only way UD does not move up is if FSU only drops 1

Our road win at SLU has already been factored into this past week's rankings, it is not really relevant to tomorrow's rankings.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[frisco flyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 Our road win at SLU has already been factored into this past week's rankings, it is not really relevant to tomorrow's rankings.

The Dukes are Net 88
SLU is Net 68

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[podcast411]

Originally Posted by ud2 Our road win at SLU has already been factored into this past week's rankings, it is not really relevant to tomorrow's rankings.

But on the road at Duq is - and that was a top 100 net rating game. I would expect Duke to close the gap - but not pass us. I would not be shocked if we are jumped by Duke - but looking at the ballots and the results this past week - and the number of positive posts about UD the past week - I do expect us to move up one spot and Duke to move up to 7th.

After that there should be a big gap between Duke and Florida State - who should drop to 8th.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[Clear Prop]

Enjoying your posts
many opinions to read
steverino015

Dayton Flyers rule
their substance is powerful
and their game is cool

Sorry, couldn't resist!

[steverino015]

Originally Posted by Clear Prop Enjoying your posts many opinions to read steverino015 Dayton Flyers rule their substance is powerful and their game is cool Sorry, couldn't resist!

OMgosh very cool!
thanks much...

Go Flyers!

[UDGutter2]

Dayton up to 10 in Sagarin.

[TA111]

Seth Davis has moved us up to 5 from 8 last week.

[Swampy Meadows]

Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein

Least talked about statistic of the weekend:

Dayton had 21 assists on 23 made field goals in Saturday's win over Fordham.

"Destination Atlanta" is a real thing for the Flyers.

The dream is beyond alive.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[Medford]

So the NCAA meets this week Tuesday-Thursday and puts together their first pass at their top 16, with contingencies on how to move teams around based upon Thursday and Friday evening's results. To be released Saturday afternoon, I think at halftime of one of the games on CBS.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by The Fly Agree. I’d bet the moon we stay at 7 and Duke jumps us. Bias is part of it, but beating Syracuse on the road is a tad more impressive than beating Fordham at home.

I share NCkevi’s optimism, but the dark side of the force says Duke jumps us.

A nationally recognized program with an incredible history wins the bias battle every time.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Jeff I share NCkevi’s optimism, but the dark side of the force says Duke jumps us. A nationally recognized program with an incredible history wins the bias battle every time.

The early released top 25 ballots are favorable to us. I think we see 6.

[SLUFLYER]

Originally Posted by CE80 The early released top 25 ballots are favorable to us. I think we see 6.

Agree, just based on the small sample size I saw on twitter.

[MD Flyer Pride]

Dayton moves up to #6 in the AP Poll!

https://apnews.com/APTop25CollegeBasketballPoll

Highest ranking since 1967 when we were also #6. Highest ranking ever? #2 in 1956.

Go Flyers!

[podcast411]

Here are the top 11 for the week.

1. Baylor - @ K St 2/3, vs OK St 2/8

2. Gonzaga - vs Loyal 2/6, @ SMC 2/8

3. Kansas - vs Texas 2/3, @ TCU 2/8

4. SDS - @ AF 2/8

5. Lou - vs WF 2/5, vs Vir 2/8

6. OUR Dayton Flyers - vs St. Lou 2/8

7. Duke - @ BC 2/4, @ UNC 2/8

8. Florida St. - vs UNC 2/3, vs Miami 2/8

9. Maryland - vs Rutgers 2/4, @ ILL 2/7

10. Nova - @ Butler 2/5, vs SH 2/8

11. Auburn - @ Ark 2/4, vs LSU 2/8


Was just off on Nova being 10 instead of Auburn. But the rest fell in line as expected.
Duke moved closer as expected but did not pass us. Really would love to see SMC beat Gonzaga and Virginia over Lou.

Of course all this goes with out saying - we need to take care of business at home.

PS - I did say above I expected Duke to be 30 to 40 pts behind us - I was wrong they are 29 pts behind now. Will check my Algorithms and see where they went wrong

[CoffeeCan]

What is amazing is that the LOWEST that any voter had us was at #9.

The LOWEST.

Let that sink in. Amazing.

[flyerfanatic86]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan What is amazing is that the LOWEST that any voter had us was at #9. The LOWEST. Let that sink in. Amazing.

I initially read this as LOWDEST. I liked that too.

[ud69]

NCAA National Statistical Rankings for Games Through 2/2/20:

Assist/Turnover Ratio - #8 (1.43)
Assists Per Game-#2 (18.8) #1 is Belmont at 19.0
Field Goal Percentage -#1 (52.5%) McNeese is #2 at 51.1%
Scoring Margin - #4 (16)
Scoring Offense - #6 (82.1)
3 Point Field Goal Percentage - #27 (37.4%)
Total Assists - #4 (413 in 22 games) those above us have played more games
Won/Lost Percentage -#4 (90.9% at 20-2)
2 Point Field Goal Percentage - #1 (62.7%) #2 is Army at 57.5%
KenPom Adjusted Offensive Efficiency- #1 (120.1) Gonzaga is #2 at 120.0
NCAA NET Ranking - #5
RPI Ranking -#10
Current Road Win Streak - tied for #6 at 5 - Gonzaga is #1 at 16
Current Home Win Steak - tied for #10 at 13 -Gonzaga is #1 at 35
Sagarin Ranking - #10
ESPN BPI - #8
Lunardi Seed List - #8
Bracket Matrix - #6
AP Poll -#6
Coaches Poll - #6


ESPN Power Rankings - #7 -Here is what they said:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...s-coming-focus
I took a deeper look into Dayton and San Diego State on Thursday, talking to opposing coaches to get their perspective on how good the Flyers and Aztecs are, and how deep they can go in March. One thing I left out, just because it didn't fit, was one high-major coach saying that Dayton was the most impressive team his team has faced. And this won't give it away, but he was a power-conference coach whose team has played multiple top-25 teams. "They're balanced, they're just a really good team, well-put-together team, almost like a machine," the coach said. "They've been the most impressive team we've played." High praise.

[NJFlyr71]

OK So help me out here. Since it's been a while since we have been ranked this hi and for most of the season how are the teams that are seeded placed into the bracket/locations?

I've read the NCAA description but I left my slide rule and philosophy note book at home. So the teams are seeded 1-68 and then they seem to go through a lot of procedure and policy placing teams into the locations.

I think at one time they placed teams into the four regions starting from the West Coast or East Coast and sequencing through 1-4, with #1 of the 1 seeded team going to the first location, then 5-8 etc. with the top seeded 2 level (Ie 5) placed in the same region with the top 1 seed. However this may be totally bogus based on my failed understanding from the past.

Reading the current NCAA site it seems they can move almost anybody anywhere except for the seeded 1-4 with the #1 One seed having their choice of region and location (If I read that correctly!).

Everyone else can be moved up a seed or down a seed to fit the procedure and policy. There are a lot of IF's, Or's, But's in location placement. I guess this is why each iteration of a bracket shows UD here, there and everywhere.

It appears that IF we are seeded/ranked high enough (via Net) the likelihood we go to a location favorable to us (like Cleveland) rather than being shipped to the Far Left err ... I mean the West Coast as in some years past.

So should we be disappointed if we somehow get a less than favorable location than our Net ranking indicates?

[jpk4ud]

Originally Posted by NJFlyr71 OK So help me out here. Since it's been a while since we have been ranked this hi and for most of the season how are the teams that are seeded placed into the bracket/locations? I've read the NCAA description but I left my slide rule and philosophy note book at home. So the teams are seeded 1-68 and then they seem to go through a lot of procedure and policy placing teams into the locations. I think at one time they placed teams into the four regions starting from the West Coast or East Coast and sequencing through 1-4, with #1 of the 1 seeded team going to the first location, then 5-8 etc. with the top seeded 2 level (Ie 5) placed in the same region with the top 1 seed. However this may be totally bogus based on my failed understanding from the past. Reading the current NCAA site it seems they can move almost anybody anywhere except for the seeded 1-4 with the #1 One seed having their choice of region and location (If I read that correctly!).

They try to keep the #1 seeds close to their home if possible.

In a normal bracket the #5 seed would be in the #4 seed bracket with the #8 in the #1 bracket.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by NJFlyr71 OK So help me out here. Since it's been a while since we have been ranked this hi and for most of the season how are the teams that are seeded placed into the bracket/locations? I've read the NCAA description but I left my slide rule and philosophy note book at home. So the teams are seeded 1-68 and then they seem to go through a lot of procedure and policy placing teams into the locations. I think at one time they placed teams into the four regions starting from the West Coast or East Coast and sequencing through 1-4, with #1 of the 1 seeded team going to the first location, then 5-8 etc. with the top seeded 2 level (Ie 5) placed in the same region with the top 1 seed. However this may be totally bogus based on my failed understanding from the past. Reading the current NCAA site it seems they can move almost anybody anywhere except for the seeded 1-4 with the #1 One seed having their choice of region and location (If I read that correctly!). Everyone else can be moved up a seed or down a seed to fit the procedure and policy. There are a lot of IF's, Or's, But's in location placement. I guess this is why each iteration of a bracket shows UD here, there and everywhere. It appears that IF we are seeded/ranked high enough (via Net) the likelihood we go to a location favorable to us (like Cleveland) rather than being shipped to the Far Left err ... I mean the West Coast as in some years past. So should we be disappointed if we somehow get a less than favorable location than our Net ranking indicates?

I'm guessing that the change of seedings is to follow guidelines of keeping teams who are in the same conference of playing each other too soon. And maybe to try and keep teams that have played each other from playing each other again in the first round.

If the rankings stay the same as they are now, I would think Dayton would get reseeded from a 2 to a 3 seed to keep us close to home in the same region as Louisville who would get the 2 seed. That's of course assuming the committee sees the seeding the same as the rankings indicate. In this scenario I would guess that SDST would be the #1 seed that has to play in our region seeing that Gonzaga would get preference in the West. Either that or Kansas.

Also, if your team is as good as their ranking, I think there are advantages to being a 3 over a 2. In the first game you're obviously playing a tougher seed (a 14 vs a 15) but in the 2nd round there's a better chance that an 11 seed pulls an upset than a 12. So to try and clarify, in the 2nd round, a 2 seed is more likely to be playing a 7 seed than a 3rd seed is playing a 6.

[ud69]

Originally Posted by NJFlyr71 OK So help me out here. Since it's been a while since we have been ranked this hi and for most of the season how are the teams that are seeded placed into the bracket/locations? I've read the NCAA description but I left my slide rule and philosophy note book at home. So the teams are seeded 1-68 and then they seem to go through a lot of procedure and policy placing teams into the locations. I think at one time they placed teams into the four regions starting from the West Coast or East Coast and sequencing through 1-4, with #1 of the 1 seeded team going to the first location, then 5-8 etc. with the top seeded 2 level (Ie 5) placed in the same region with the top 1 seed. However this may be totally bogus based on my failed understanding from the past. Reading the current NCAA site it seems they can move almost anybody anywhere except for the seeded 1-4 with the #1 One seed having their choice of region and location (If I read that correctly!). Everyone else can be moved up a seed or down a seed to fit the procedure and policy. There are a lot of IF's, Or's, But's in location placement. I guess this is why each iteration of a bracket shows UD here, there and everywhere. It appears that IF we are seeded/ranked high enough (via Net) the likelihood we go to a location favorable to us (like Cleveland) rather than being shipped to the Far Left err ... I mean the West Coast as in some years past. So should we be disappointed if we somehow get a less than favorable location than our Net ranking indicates?

Yes, teams are seeded in order by nearest region. There is also an attempt to balance the regions. For example, they would most likely not put the top 1,2,3,and 4 seeds in the same region - even if distance dictated they should. However, putting region aside, the destination location for the first and second rounds would be most likely the nearest venue - given the pod system. For example, we could be in the West Region, but sent to Cleveland for the first and second rounds. The first 4 seed lines are considered "protected" seeds and every effort is made to place them closest to home. The higher the seed the better chances of being placed in the nearest venue.

[Medford]

I think they give the higher seed preference towards them being closer to home, and worry less about matching up the 5th overall (top 2 seed) with the 4th overall (last 1 seed) if that makes sense to you.

[podcast411]

I once read it was a two tiered system. Number 1 seeds - where they try to match them up geographically for the sweet 16 as best they can. Then the second tier is for seeds 1 to 4 - this is where the pods come in and they then try to put the teams in the rounds of 64/32 as close to home as possible. For example If UD was the number 1 team overall. Then we get Cleveland for the round of 64/32 and Indy for the Sweet 16/8.

That is our goal - keep winning and be the highest ranked (by the NCAA) team closest to Indy.

[NJFlyr71]

Originally Posted by podcast411 .... That is our goal - keep winning and be the highest ranked (by the NCAA) team closest to Indy.

All we can control is the winning effort and attempt to win as many as possible or lacking that do not own a bad loss.

We can't control refs' and we sure as heck can't control the committee's thought process and bias.

[springborofan]

Originally Posted by springborofan It wouldn’t surprise me to see UD remain 7th and Duke jump ahead. The bias is real.

I’m glad to be wrong!

[podcast411]

Results for the Week of Feb 3rd:

1. Baylor - W @ K St 2/3, vs OK St 2/8

2. Gonzaga - vs Loyal 2/6, @ SMC 2/8

3. Kansas - W vs Texas 2/3, @ TCU 2/8

4. SDS - @ AF 2/8

5. Lou - vs WF 2/5, vs Vir 2/8

6. OUR Dayton Flyers - vs St. Lou 2/8

7. Duke - @ BC 2/4, @ UNC 2/8

8. Florida St. - W vs UNC 2/3, vs Miami 2/8

9. Maryland - vs Rutgers 2/4, @ ILL 2/7

10. Nova - @ Butler 2/5, vs SH 2/8

11. Auburn - @ Ark 2/4, vs LSU 2/8


3 Teams in action on Monday all came away with the W.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by podcast411 I once read it was a two tiered system. Number 1 seeds - where they try to match them up geographically for the sweet 16 as best they can. Then the second tier is for seeds 1 to 4 - this is where the pods come in and they then try to put the teams in the rounds of 64/32 as close to home as possible. For example If UD was the number 1 team overall. Then we get Cleveland for the round of 64/32 and Indy for the Sweet 16/8. That is our goal - keep winning and be the highest ranked (by the NCAA) team closest to Indy.

Regardless of all of the above, Duke still won't have to leave the state of North Carolina until the second weekend...it's in the NCAA bylaws.

[Smitty10]

BTW, I know it's meaningless, but did anybody notice that the top 3 consist of half our last 6 Maui opponents? Meaning 2/3rds of the top 6 are our Maui games.

[podcast411]

Results for the Week of Feb 3rd:

1. Baylor - W @ K St 2/3, vs OK St 2/8

2. Gonzaga - vs Loyal 2/6, @ SMC 2/8

3. Kansas - W vs Texas 2/3, @ TCU 2/8

4. SDS - @ AF 2/8

5. Lou - vs WF 2/5, vs Vir 2/8

6. OUR Dayton Flyers - vs St. Lou 2/8

7. Duke - W @ BC 2/4, @ UNC 2/8

8. Florida St. - W vs UNC 2/3, vs Miami 2/8

9. Maryland - W vs Rutgers 2/4, @ ILL 2/7

10. Nova - @ Butler 2/5, vs SH 2/8

11. Auburn - W @ Ark 2/4, vs LSU 2/8


3 Teams in action on Tuesday all came away with the W.

[Sid Louick]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 BTW, I know it's meaningless, but did anybody notice that the top 3 consist of half our last 6 Maui opponents? Meaning 2/3rds of the top 6 are our Maui games.

Also interesting that three of the top six are "mid-majors".

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Sid Louick Also interesting that three of the top six are "mid-majors".

Yeah, that I also noticed. And here's the thing. We're ranked 6th in the whole country and we're 3rd among mid-majors. I'm pretty sure there have many times over the past 6 seasons that we weren't in the top 25 and carried the same rank(3rd) among mid-majors.

[podcast411]

Results for the Week of Feb 3rd:

1. Baylor - W @ K St 2/3, vs OK St 2/8

2. Gonzaga - vs Loyal 2/6, @ SMC 2/8

3. Kansas - W vs Texas 2/3, @ TCU 2/8

4. SDS - @ AF 2/8

5. Lou - W vs WF 2/5, vs Vir 2/8

6. OUR Dayton Flyers - vs St. Lou 2/8

7. Duke - W @ BC 2/4, @ UNC 2/8

8. Florida St. - W vs UNC 2/3, vs Miami 2/8

9. Maryland - W vs Rutgers 2/4, @ ILL 2/7

10. Nova - L @ Butler 2/5, vs SH 2/8

11. Auburn - W @ Ark 2/4, vs LSU 2/8


2 Teams in action on Wednesday - They split.