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Butler Game Thread
Huge Game! Don't Need to say anything! Go out and win vs. a top 15 team in the country, pull the upset at the Arena! Red Out, Rally Towels, make it happen at 2:00 on NBC Sports Network!
Butler Lineup:
G 3 Alex Barlow 511 187 SO Springboro, OH
G 15 Rotnei Clarke 60 184 SR Verdigris, OK
F 21 Roosevelt Jones 64 227 SO OFallon, IL
F 23 Khyle Marshall 66 216 JR Davie, FL
C 44 Andrew Smith 611 243 SR Zionsville, IN
Go Flyers! Get it done boys!
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We really need this game. I hope that the arena is in it's best form.
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If we can keep Clarke under 20 and Smith under 15 and shoot over 45% we will win this one.
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Just do it!
'IF' gives me explosive diarrhea...I prefer that we just beat the snot out of them!
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'IF' gives me explosive diarrhea...I prefer that we just beat the snot out of them!
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Please post a link if you know if a video stream available for this game.
This would be a good onbe to win.
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Originally Posted by rollo
'IF' gives me explosive diarrhea...I prefer that we just beat the snot out of them!
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If my aunt had testicles she would be my uncle.
We are going to have to play our best to win this one today whether it is by 3 or 20.
Keys to the game:
- hold Butler to under 40% FG
- out rebound them by 8+
- shoot more FT's than they attempt
Do this and I like our chances.
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Originally Posted by frisco flyer
Please post a link if you know if a video stream available for this game.
This would be a good onbe to win.
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http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/1630...vs-dayton.html
This lists a game link but it says the game hasn't started yet.
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Benson???
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Benson playing his usual weak and worthless game. He sits with 2 fouls... good for us.
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UD up 1 with under 12 left in the half... Khari with 2 3's
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Wow Khari with a lot of confidence.
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I hope he is OK after this game
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Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse
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Originally Posted by chicago92
If my aunt had testicles she would be my uncle.
We are going to have to play our best to win this one today whether it is by 3 or 20.
Keys to the game:
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- out rebound them by 8+
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Do this and I like our chances.
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so far winnning teh Boards.
shooting about even
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So sad if this ends up being serious, considering it would never have happened if our players were actually strong with the ball.
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6 for 18 shooting is ruining us right now. Great job on the boards and decent defense. I wish Dillard would stop slowing the ball down in the half court. We play best when we push the ball quickly to the basket.
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Originally Posted by SHQCKEY
So sad if this ends up being serious, considering it would never have happened if our players were actually strong with the ball.
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When you are marshmallow soft it's hard to get shots. UD us backing up on offense so it us going to be a ling day in half court offense.
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If he didn't push low I dint have any problem with the foul. You don't go up to deny a layup when the guy is in the ground.
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These refs suck!!!!!!!
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Dillard and Sandord are gawd awful today.
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UD down 9 with 2:40 left in the half
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Originally Posted by SHQCKEY
We don't need him to shoot. If he could finish layups he would be one of the best players in the league.
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Dillard and Sandord are gawd awful today.
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We suck.
Someone turn off the lights on this season. Just horrible.
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A fifth year senior dribbles the ball into the corner at half court.
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That playing for the last shot when you are down big is a joke. Play your normal game and score. We almost turn it over.
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Rebounded well in the 1st half... That's about it.
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Come on guys, only down 8 when both Vee and JB both have 0... Keep working, we got this in the 2nd half
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Playing for the last shot there is right. Rather go in down single digits, hopefully 6 or 7. Not 11 or 12.
Problem is UD plays dumb and soft.
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The Flyers have no sense of discipline with handling the basketball or shot selection. We force passes; we force penetration; and we force shots with 20 seconds left on the shot clock...and these are experienced players making these poor decisions.
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Yet another inept defensive showing. Giving up 59% from the field and 50% from trey
Nothing this season chamges until Archie can demonstrate an ability to coach up defense
Right defense in this program is strictly ornamental.
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Originally Posted by UDDoug
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Yep, not much else to it. I don't think Butler has had a significant tactical or talent advantage against us, they are just lightyears ahead of where we need to be in terms of both mental and physical toughness. Perfect example, their best player goes down and they immediately extend the lead while we're the team that looks shaken.
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He's back. Benson immediately walks instead of going up strong
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Good deal Benson picks up his 3rd
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Butler attacks the defense and puts you on your heels. UD backs up and runs offense from the A and Y. UD loses guys like Dunham on the three point line. They are toast.
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I cheer when Benson fouls because he will have to go to the bench.
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Devin: For the tenth time this season on these boards...NO THREES PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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We are at 38% to their 63%. They are only 62% on free throws. Unbelievable.
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Josh, Vee, and Devin need to rest a while on the bench. They are not mentally into this game.
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Oliver with some great defense and court awareness to allow the dunk
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That's better. Let's go.
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Dumb and soft. Nothing left to say.
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A sign of life....Could it be?
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KD now 5-10. He needs to keep it up. Oliver and Vee are 1 for 13
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I think Dillard needs to try to take control...only hope really.
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Yes Devin, that was a foul.
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Devin: He wasn't even close to the hoop for a rebound. You didn't have to check out of bounds.
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Haha wow. Terrible call goes our way that time.
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Oliver is a joke today. He fouls on a rebound then misses the rebound when he has position. Put anyone else in.
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Dillard gets beat off the bounce from 39 feet straight up the gut. No screen required. Pathetic.
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Clark and Smith both out. We need to make a run right here.
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That was a great play by Pierre
Even the announcers are noticing the abscense of our seniors.
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Sanford dribbles into trap on sideline. Gets bailed out by foul.
UD defenders hit the deck under slightest contact. Create wide open layup. Grow some hangy down things. It's like watching the women play the Butler mens team, but that might insult the womens team.
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Oliver takes three with 30 on shot clock. Gets steal and tries to dribble through three guys. Dumb and soft.
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Everything bouncing out for us and they continue to shoot 60%
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Devin: You are shooting about 10% from the three for the year...please stop.
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Normally Oliver's mistakes and poor shooting are out weighed by all the things he does so well. Not today...
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At least Archie put Sanfords butt on the bench when Dillard came back in.
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Down by 6 with plenty of time left. Let's see what this team is made of. Already dropped every close game this year and this would be the 3rd home loss of the season already. Must win this game...
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Have I said these refs suck. No call on our end then a suck call on the dunk miss.
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Their 58% to our 39% and that is the game.
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47 seconds to go; down by 8; game over.
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Matt in for Oliver. At least Archie admits his mistakes and corrects them. BG would never change his strategy.
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01-12-2013, 04:15 PM
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I guess Dunham didn't push off Pierre on that inbound?
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01-12-2013, 04:18 PM
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Gotta give Butler credit. These guys are tough year in and year out and nothing seems to phase them. They just win. The outcome of this game was never seriously in doubt, and I think today we saw the difference between the Butler basketball program and the UD basketball program.
Still, you have to win this game on your home floor...
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We took 20 more shots and lose by six. What is wrong with that picture?
We lose by six free throws.
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01-12-2013, 04:25 PM
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Nothing will change until Archie gets guys to play defense and play strong.
Once un a while teams just shoot lights out, but UD seldom defends well. They leave the wring guys open, give up penetration down the middle and allo the ball to get in the lane off the bounce or on a pass. You can't play defense like that. Butler ran their offense inside the three point line.
They have played the two best teams in the league. So MAYBE they will look better as the competition lightens up. But the way they defend there is a pretty high likelihood they start off 0-3 because LaSalle can score. Play bad defense and you might need 90 plus to win.
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01-12-2013, 04:49 PM
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in new york here i could only follow on gametracker.
looks like only brightspot was the play of Pierre. Can anyone comment more specifically?
Did Butler zone us or straight man?
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01-12-2013, 04:58 PM
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In my opinion Pierre, Price and Robinson were our best today. We need our vets to step up. Vee did step up for a stretch, but Benson, Dillard, and Oliver didnt really do much. Benson and Oliver did more bad than good IMO. Scott played fairly well as well today. Not a good sign when your team is being led by 3-4 Freshmen.
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Originally Posted by FlightClub.33.32.15.1
In my opinion Pierre, Price and Robinson were our best today. We need our vets to step up. Vee did step up for a stretch, but Benson, Dillard, and Oliver didnt really do much. Benson and Oliver did more bad than good IMO. Scott played fairly well as well today. Not a good sign when your team is being led by 3-4 Freshmen.
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Oliver was 1-8 early in the game.
Vee was hardly better, maybe 2 for 10 at one point, until he must rang a few in a row up.
This sucks, when we hung by 6 points to another quality Butler squad. Didn't see game, but know Butler basketball. They know their roles, play within themselves and move the ball and constantly move themselves around on offense.
Tough brand of basketball. We are way too undisciplined and prob had better shot with VCU, to be honest.
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We sure are hard on Dillard. His stat line and performance was pretty decent. Of course he left his cape at home, so it was not what we expect.
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So we lost to the best two teams in the conference (arguably). The way I see it, we can still finish at number three, which means about 21-9.
So we're now at 10-6 - I predict ("...according to my careful prosthesis...") 24-6.
We played the two best teams in the conference fairly strong. Big flaws, but we were within 10 late in both games. A few breaks go our way and those were both games we could have stolen. (Oliver will not go 2-12 every game.)
I don't think anybody on this board realistically thought we were a top 20 team, but I think we can still win out from here on. We learned a lot in the last two games.
If (sorry Rollo, I know what "if" does to you) we stay healthy, I wouldn't be surprised to see a solid win streak and still land a spot in the Big Dance.
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Originally Posted by jack72
Matt in for Oliver. At least Archie admits his mistakes and corrects them. BG would never change his strategy.
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BG's teams played defense - if you can remember back that far.
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Originally Posted by Glen Clark
BG's teams played defense - if you can remember back that far.
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What's with the personal attack dude?
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Originally Posted by jack72
Matt in for Oliver. At least Archie admits his mistakes and corrects them. BG would never change his strategy.
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Originally Posted by Glen Clark
BG's teams played defense - if you can remember back that far.
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What's with the personal attack dude?
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What's with a jab at 2011's coach in a 2013 game thread? He's long gone, let it rest.
The posters still obsessing over Brian Gregory will be the first to start the "Archie Must Go' threads.
And it's not 'dude', it's ' The Dude. . . You know, that or, uh, His Dudeness, or uh, Duder, or El Duderino .'
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Originally Posted by jack72
We sure are hard on Dillard. His stat line and performance was pretty decent. Of course he left his cape at home, so it was not what we expect.
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IMO 3 assists in 28 minutes (along with 5-11 shooting and 3 TOs) is not "pretty decent" for your starting point guard
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Averaging 2 assists and 5 turnovers in conference play. On the season barely above 1 to 1. That's putrid for a 5th year senior point guard expected to be first or second team all conference.
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Originally Posted by UDDoug
Averaging 2 assists and 5 turnovers in conference play. On the season barely above 1 to 1. That's putrid for a 5th year senior point guard expected to be first or second team all conference.
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Haven't checked of late, but last year Dillard had about 6 assists a game nad several 9 and 10 assist games.
This year i believe he's around 4 assists a game. Maybe lower now.
Perhaps the Summer League them messed up his game. He got some kudos and respect in some writeups post Summer League. However that perhaps NBA'ized his game too much.
K Dill needs to be in the 5-8 assist region during the year to be effective. It will open up his shots/drives more. He needs to reestablish that effective passing he has produced before.
As others have said though, when DMO, Benson and others are the recipients and not hitting.... what's a PG to do?
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