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This thread should be good.

So, the new DNC chairman, who replaced the old DNC chairman (Debbie Wasserman Schultz) because Wikileaks exposed her improper collusion with the Clinton campaign against Bernie Sanders is now facing a similar scandal recently revealed by Wikileaks.

Donna Brazile, who was a CNN contributor at the time, and is now DNC chairman, tipped off the Clinton campaign to a question that would be asked at a "town hall" debate against Bernie Sanders.

Out with the old corrupt DNC chairman, and in with the new corrupt DNC chairman.

Hey, and by the way, the old corrupt DNC chairman was immediately hired by the Clinton campaign as a reward for a crooked job well done when she was forced to resign as DNC chair.

Hillary rewards her henchmen for their corrupt actions in her service!

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Brazile should face some sort of punishment if true.

So much dirt coming out now...

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The following appears to be true...

Julian Assange has been charged with rape in Sweden. Assange has stated that it is a complete concoction, and the only reason he was charged with anything was so he could be extradited to the United States once he is arrested. Furthermore, he is not concerned about the rape charge, and seems convinced that if he actually had a trial, he'd win. The only thing he's concerned about is being extradited to the United States.

Now, what I would like to know is....

If this is really about the rape charge and not some end around to aid the United States in charging a non-US citizen with espionage, why won't Sweden, the UK, and the EU just come out and guarantee he will not be extradited if he leaves the embassy and surrenders himself??

To say it is suspicious is understating it. He thinks that this whole thing in Sweden is bogus, and that he wouldn't set foot in a Swedish courtroom if he agreed to turn himself in. They don't want to try him for rape. They want to extradite him to the US, which is what they would do. He has said this, and it has not been rebutted. The only response is that they "cannot guarantee that he won't be extradited." Well, that's pretty much the same as saying that he will be extradited.

If he's wrong, then someone needs prove that he's wrong. Someone in Sweden should be screaming bloody murder about this rape, and that they want to try him for it IN SWEDEN, and because of that they demand that he not be extradited to another country to be charged with something else. Period. Is it unfair to ask why that isn't happening if this really is about a rape??

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Clinton Camp Bigots

Father Morris: Clinton camp mocking Catholics is 'bigotry'
Oct. 12, 2016 - 4:36 - Roman Catholic priest shocked by 'anti-American talk' in leaked emails.

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I thought Clinton said the deplorables are the bigots.

I find it Hillarious that the Democrats who do not care about morality suddenly became concerned when they could attack Donald Trump. In fact, the Democrats have destroyed morality in this country.

WikiLeaks also revealed Hillary is for open borders. Not a good idea. We need to control who comes into this country. We are not one big world country as Hillary would have it.

There are polls. There is the media. I do not take any of them for truth. What the Clinton media says is not how I vote. The polls do not tell me how to vote. The truth is in what you hear about the candidates' policies and what they have done.

The lying media wants you to believe Hillary has won. Not so. Trump addressed a huge crowd in Ocala, FL. Hillary's crowd not so much a crowd. Jim Hoft Oct 11th, 2016 2:34 pm 197 Comments Hillary Clinton and Al Gore were going to rally together today in Florida. A few hundred people turned out. There is no excitement for Hillary.

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This is the Clinton defense on the e-mails dripping out of Wikileaks:

"I don't recall that. It must be the Russians."

Wikileaks has a sterling record of accuracy. Notice that the Hillary camp will not deny the leaks directly. The reason is that they could be proven to be lying to cover up by future Wikileaks revelations. It's a dangerous game to deny. They don't know what Wikileaks still has.

This is why they are throwing the Russian thing out there. They hope to at least cast some doubt in voters. They dare not deny and get caught in more lies.
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Whatever other material Wikileaks has, they had better post it all soon, early voting has already started in some battleground states.
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The "open borders" Wikileak is the most disturbing for me. I would like to hear UAC tell me how Hillary is not a threat to the sovereignty of this country and how Trump is. Hillary's dream is to open the borders completely. Just walk in and vote.

The people who keep telling me that Trump is a more dangerous choice than Hillary are out of their minds. Imagine what her supreme court would do to the Constitutional rights we enjoy now.

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Leaked emails show Clinton campaign head discussing 'revolution' against bishops

What the Democrats are about is a playbook out of 1984 - think speak. WikiLeaks reveals plans for a hostile takeover. Government wants to force Catholic Church to conform to their agenda. The method to be used to bring this about is infiltration. George Soros has donated a lot of money to help in this cause.

Washington D.C., Oct 12, 2016 / 05:08 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- In a leaked email hacked from a private account, the chairman of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign appears to discuss with a progressive figure whether it is possible to “plant the seeds of the revolution” against the U.S. bishops and their stances.

The email exchange, entitled “Catholic Spring,” also suggests that two organizations – Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good and Catholics United – were created for such a purpose.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/ne...bishops-45285/

Washington D.C., Oct 12, 2016 / 05:36 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- A coalition of religious and civic leaders has denounced a report by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights which said appeals to religious freedom are usually just discrimination-in-disguise.

“Our founding generation would be scandalized that a government agency has asserted, in effect, that Americans who exercise their religious freedom are doing so with evil intent, and that the First Amendment’s guarantee of the free exercise of religion should be considered null and void. Every American should condemn this report,” Dr. Farr continued.

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WikiLeaks - revealing Clinton sponsoring a revolution in the Catholic Church, talking about the needy Latinos. Shows Clinton campaign discussing what to release of her e-mails.

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The continued dumbing down of our children in the government indoctrination centers called public schools.
“And as I’ve mentioned, we’ve all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry. The unawareness remains strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly. This problem demands some serious, serious thinking – and not just poll driven, demographically-inspired messaging.”
Just so we’re perfectly clear here; Ivey admitted that the left has “conspired” to produce “unaware and compliant” voters, meaning it’s favorable to them to have uninformed minions who pull the lever for Democrats like they’re told. His issue is that people aren’t as easily manipulated as they used to be, and figuring out how to make people “compliant” again “demands some serious, serious thinking.”

An unaware and compliant citizenry!! This should offend everyone.
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This is kind of long, but it gives a good history of Assange, Wikileaks, and basically how and why things have ended up as they have. I'm not sure what my overall opinion is of Assange. He's a way more extreme case than someone like Edward Snowden, he's so far left that he's pretty much an anarchist, I think he's a little bit crazy (and perhaps even more than a little bit), he loves self promotion at the expense of others, and he's a hacker. But, another part of me feels that much of the transparency he's provided has been a good thing as well.

It's a fascinating story. Regardless of how you feel about him, Assange is one of the most fascinating people on the planet, and that is not hyperbole.

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Hillary's dream is to open the borders completely. Just walk in and vote.
I've yet to read the open borders within the WikiLeaks disclosures in that context. The ones I've seen have all had to do with trade. And trade in terms of goods and services with no reference to movement of human capital, let alone immigration.

It may be there. Just not in ones I've read. Please post some that refer to open borders in regards to immigration and immediate citizenship, rather than trade.
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I'm really curious what people think of Julian Assange. I certainly don't think we should be trying to kill him, if we are trying to kill him, which he says we are, but the guy is also a little nuts so you have to take that into account. Is he dangerous?? Is he a hero?? Is he a little bit of both?? Did he commit rape, or is he right when he says the whole thing is a complete fabrication in an attempt to smoke him out?

I know Trump supporters like him, but I think all most of them really know is that he's hitting Hillary Clinton as hard as he can, and depending on who you believe the reason he's doing it is because he thinks Clinton is going to come after him to the point to where he feels his life is in danger. He's also attacked the military, Sara Palin, and some who come off as just being ordinary citizens. He's also so far left that it's ironic that he's being championed by those on the far right, at least for now.

But, at the end of the day, he's not a US Citizen, and if he keeps hitting the US, maybe we should just try and resolve this by being more transparent and less underhanded instead of trying to resolve this by trying to have him silenced or eliminated. He's been trapped in an Ecuadorian embassy for almost five years.
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I've yet to read the open borders within the WikiLeaks disclosures in that context. The ones I've seen have all had to do with trade. And trade in terms of goods and services with no reference to movement of human capital, let alone immigration.

It may be there. Just not in ones I've read. Please post some that refer to open borders in regards to immigration and immediate citizenship, rather than trade.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...ver-story.html

Hillary Clinton’s top aides privately debated whether to joke about her emerging email scandal, if they should shift some blame to former secretaries of state and how to frame, explain and defend her use of a homebrewed server in a series of purported March 2015 emails revealed by WikiLeaks this week.
The emails, which originated on the Gmail account of Clinton Campaign Chairman John Podesta, paint a portrait of a political team alternately worried and defiant in the face of their boss’ mushrooming email disclosure. Through the early days of the email revelations, and even throughout the summer as further discoveries turned up the heat, Clinton’s group sweated the minutiae of her carefully crafted responses in an attempt to keep the campaign’s preferred narrative on track.
As the scandal evolved during the summer of 2015, aides suddenly had to combat reports that classified information may have been emailed, leading Clinton to eventually modify her original denials to say she had never “sent nor received any email that was marked classified.” On Aug. 21, her team was debating a new statement addressing the issue. Press secretary Brian Fallon emailed communications director Jennifer Palmieri to flag a potential issue.
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I'm really curious what people think of Julian Assange. I certainly don't think we should be trying to kill him, if we are trying to kill him, which he says we are, but the guy is also a little nuts so you have to take that into account. Is he dangerous?? Is he a hero?? Is he a little bit of both?? Did he commit rape, or is he right when he says the whole thing is a complete fabrication in an attempt to smoke him out?

I know Trump supporters like him, but I think all most of them really know is that he's hitting Hillary Clinton as hard as he can, and depending on who you believe the reason he's doing it is because he thinks Clinton is going to come after him to the point to where he feels his life is in danger. He's also attacked the military, Sara Palin, and some who come off as just being ordinary citizens. He's also so far left that it's ironic that he's being championed by those on the far right, at least for now.

But, at the end of the day, he's not a US Citizen, and if he keeps hitting the US, maybe we should just try and resolve this by being more transparent and less underhanded instead of trying to resolve this by trying to have him silenced or eliminated. He's been trapped in an Ecuadorian embassy for almost five years.
I listened to Hannity interview Assange. It happened about a month ago on Hannity's radio show. I found myself believing his story. He is probably the most endangered man on the planet. He has been exposing government cover-ups all over the world through submissions of hackers. He has his organization authenticate them before releasing. His website has a great record of accuracy. Imagine how much the Clinton campaign loathes him. He has exposed the Russians in the past too. He makes enemies all over the world, but I have come to the conclusion that he is doing humanity a great service. Our government and individual officials are continuously trying to deceive us to maintain their own power and control. Our government works in it's own interest when it is not being monitored.

I believe our system of checks and balances is now broken in the USA. Think about that. Even the brunt of the media is in on the game now. They all attend the same cocktail parties.

The more you dig into the Clinton e-mail scandal, the more you realize there are no effective checks in place to stop blatant law breaking and abuse at the executive level of our government.

Look at the conversations that are going on behind the scenes in the government with the window that Assange has provided for us. Now we know. It's not just speculation. Now we know.

What are we going to do about it? Elect more of the same and hope for a different outcome?

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In one document Hillary Clinton dreams about open trade and open borders.
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Open borders in that speech referred to trade, not immigration and citizenships. Borders apply to trade too.
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Open borders in that speech referred to trade, not immigration and citizenships. Borders apply to trade too.
We don’t have more context about what Clinton meant by "open borders" because she has not released the full speech. Her campaign has said she was talking about clean energy across the hemisphere.

WikiLeaks, in the first email dump of now six total dumps of Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s hacked emails, found partial transcripts of Hillary Clinton’s position is in favor of open borders.
“My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the
future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere,” Hillary Clinton said on May 16, 2013, in a paid speech to Banco Itau, according to the leaked Podesta documents.
Sessions that her remarks being for “open trade” were just as revealing as her support for “open borders.”
“This is because she views the future here in the Western Hemisphere and really worldwide, but initially she mentioned here, but her view is like the European Union—that the British just finally desperately extracted themselves from before they got sucked in it so deeply that their own laws cease to have meaning and that the people who have ruled them they can’t control because they’re in Brussels and not at home, not the people they elected,” Session said on Breitbart News Daily.

Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich believes a newly*leaked email of Hillary Clinton talking to Brazilian bankers will ultimately be the reason she won’t win the presidential election.
Gingrich told Trending Today USA‘s Rusty Humphries that Clinton’s dream for an open border society should be what disqualifies her, and that voters would come to realize this and switch their support to Donald Trump.

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Open borders in terms of people immigrating anywhere and instantly becoming citizens to vote would be contrary to other stuff coming out in the WikiLeaks dump, particularly where she complains about being unable to vet Syrian refugees and others.

While it's possible she favors movement of human capital, and completely open immigration of people, that really isn't at all clear. It is clear she favors borderless free trade, but that certainly wasn't a surprise. Her trade position is false, just following the prevailing breeze.

A really big bombshell is going to have to drop out of WikiLeaks to move enough to Trump for him to win. The insulting tone of the campaign toward Catholics, Hispanics et al may be the biggest yet to emerge in that regard. But if that became an issue she could largely fix it by firing Podesta and Palmieri.

What could happen is that so much comes out that the vote is really suppressed, and Trump wins with a record low turnout. But in terms of the electorate staying at normal levels and Trump *****ing up the votes to win, I doubt it. Not with the way he's going to continue to get hit with ongoing controversies of his own doing.
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A really big bombshell is going to have to drop out of WikiLeaks to move enough to Trump for him to win. The insulting tone of the campaign toward Catholics, Hispanics et al may be the biggest yet to emerge in that regard. But if that became an issue she could largely fix it by firing Podesta and Palmieri.
She won't fire Podesta or Palmieri. They represent what she herself thinks. Podesta and Plamieri will make up excuses. Hillary will try to say nothing and hope the issue gets hidden and that most people don't hear about it or understand it. But if enough Catholics are insulted, it could be bad for Hillary because there are a lot of Catholics in this country.

What the open borders shows is that she favors a European type union which Great Britain just rejected. Most Americans don't want it either.

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She's pretty good at reading the tea leaves. And she wants to win. If need be, I suspect she'd fire both if she had to in order to win, even if she agreed with them. I don't think loyalty is part of her DNA in that regard.

I think it's clear she favors an EU type arrangement with respect to trade. I'm not convinced it means the same thing in terms of immigration. It could, but there's been nothing released that ties it to anything beyond trade. Clearly the Trump side will try to do so.
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Clinton camp appeared to have contacts with DOJ on email case

WikiLeaks e-mail revelation: Clinton camp appeared to have contacts with DOJ on email case.

An official within Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s campaign appeared to have discussions with sources inside the Department of Justice (DOJ) about ongoing open records lawsuits regarding the former secretary of State’s emails, according to an email released on Tuesday.
In an email from May 2015,*Clinton campaign spokesman Brian Fallon said that “DOJ folks” had “inform[ed]” him about an upcoming status conference in one of the lawsuits regarding Clinton’s private email setup.

The information about an upcoming court event would have been public knowledge and open for all to attend. And it’s unclear whether the people Fallon spoke to at the Justice Department were officials who regularly communicate with the public.
However, the fact that Fallon —*a former spokesman with the Justice Department — remained in contact with anyone from the department is likely to renew allegations that the Obama administration maintained an especially cozy relationship with Clinton’s presidential campaign.

The email from Fallon was contained in a collection of more than 1,000 messages allegedly stolen from campaign chairman John Podesta and posted to WikiLeaks on Tuesday.

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She's pretty good at reading the tea leaves. And she wants to win. If need be, I suspect she'd fire both if she had to in order to win, even if she agreed with them. I don't think loyalty is part of her DNA in that regard.

I think it's clear she favors an EU type arrangement with respect to trade. I'm not convinced it means the same thing in terms of immigration. It could, but there's been nothing released that ties it to anything beyond trade. Clearly the Trump side will try to do so.
You are probably right. She would fire them if she has to, but that would be as a last resort.

I agree she wants an EU type of arrangement with respect to trade. I'm not sure how the EU thing ties into immigration. But there was something about it that the people in Great Britain did not like. It had an influence on them to leave the Union.
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She's pretty good at reading the tea leaves. And she wants to win. If need be, I suspect she'd fire both if she had to in order to win, even if she agreed with them. I don't think loyalty is part of her DNA in that regard.
Guess I was right. Hillary Clinton’s Refusal to Fire Staffers for Catholic Bashing Puts It on Her: She Now Owns It. Hillary Clinton is now the story: She has done absolutely nothing about Podesta’s vile anti-Catholic campaign. She is an utter disgrace.

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She certainly isn't going to do anything unless her polling says she has to. The EU allowed free movement of people between certain countries. Don't recall the exact name but a German like word that started with S. The UK wasn't part of that zone with free movement although many UK citizens thought they were. There was still a level of human capital that could move into the UK though. But there were still border controls and you didn't get to be a British citizen without applying for immigration. But it was definitely possible to ne Hungarian and work in London.

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I believe our system of checks and balances is now broken in the USA. Think about that. Even the brunt of the media is in on the game now. They all attend the same cocktail parties.
The 17th amendment was part of it. Direct election of Senators by the people sounds like a great idea, but when the Senators are elected by State Legislators, they are more inclined to give power back to the state. What motivates every politician? The desire to be re-elected. A Senator elected by the people is motivated to give pork back to the home state. A Senator elected by the state legislature is motivated to make sure a decent amount of power resides in the states. The checks of the states on the federal government is now pretty much non-existent.
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The Post Election Turmoil

will be monumental. In a normal Presidential Election year there is a period of healing between Election Day and the inauguration of the new President. I am not so sure this year. There is only one Political Party. The Dems and the R's who want the Dems to win. While Trump may concede at some point his followers will not necessarily do that. It is not beyond comprehension that a Civil uprising could take place. The faith of many Americans (Hillary's Despicable s) in the system has been shattered. The reputation of the Federal government, the FBI, the media has been tarnished. The Change Agent may not get elected but the corrupt system will be changed by means other than the electoral process.
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Open borders in that speech referred to trade, not immigration and citizenships. Borders apply to trade too.
Oh Doug, she also claims that she was referencing honest Abe Lincoln when she said that there is a need for a public and private position on each issue. How gullible are you going to be?

How many lies does she have to be caught in before you question her credibility on the tortured excuses?
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I said what the context of the speech was. I don't believe anything she says.

Nor Trump. Who is also incapable of telling anything remotely resembling the truth.

She may well support total open borders and anyone can move here any time they want. But the evidence of that isn't in Wikileaks.

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Hillary's Dark World

Hillary will continue the same sanctuary cities and lack of border control that Obama has shown us.

Hillary will continue Obamacare, common core, anti-Catholic action, killing babies when they are partially born, appoint Supreme Court Justices who do not follow the Constitution, mock Evangelicals, not be president of all the people, Government will dictate to religions what they can believe and practice, open borders, no longer an individual country but part of the global world, police being afraid to do their job, ISIS growing, going after those who cling to their guns, etc. I see darkness coming over the land.

Next stop - no religious freedom allowed - Government will be the new religion and govern how you believe and act.

Article on what is your response to the anti-Catholic agenda, Mr. Kaine:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...-anti-catholic

The lying Democrats are trying to say the Russians are behind the WikiLeaks leaks and therefore Donald Trump is cahoots with the Russians. No one believes that. The real problem is the people who have been writing these e-mails. They should be held accountable.

There will be a backlash. Hillary is a bigot.

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So Hillary is not a shill for Wall Street. It seems Obama was.

https://newrepublic.com/article/1377...illary-clinton

Michael Froman, who is now U.S. trade representative but at the time was an executive at Citigroup, wrote an email to Podesta on October 6, 2008, with the subject “Lists.” Froman used a Citigroup email address. He attached three documents: a list of women for top administration jobs, a list of non-white candidates, and a sample outline of 31 cabinet-level positions and who would fill them. “The lists will continue to grow,” Froman wrote to Podesta, “but these are the names to date that seem to be coming up as recommended by various sources for senior level jobs.”
The cabinet list ended up being almost entirely on the money. It correctly identified Eric Holder for the Justice Department, Janet Napolitano for Homeland Security, Robert Gates for Defense, Rahm Emanuel for chief of staff, Peter Orszag for the Office of Management and Budget, Arne Duncan for Education, Eric Shinseki for Veterans Affairs, Kathleen Sebelius for Health and Human Services, Melody Barnes for the Domestic Policy Council, and more. For the Treasury, three possibilities were on the list: Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, and Timothy Geithner.
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The problem with the WikiLeaks dumps in terms of this election is they just confirm what most already believed about Clinton. There really hasn't been any news, other than confirming what the general public thought. And with those thoughts, they've put her up about 7 points.

So the dump will agitate the Trump base, be ho hum to almost everyone else.

Unless there is something big and new, there is nothing there that will tighten the race.
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Washington D.C., Oct 14, 2016 / 11:56 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Following a leaked email from prominent political actors about a possible “Catholic Spring” movement to plant “seeds of the revolution” within the Church, the U.S. bishops' conference has rebuked interference in the Church and a political discourse that marginalizes the faithful and demeans women.
“There have been recent reports that some may have sought to interfere in the internal life of the Church for short-term political gain,” said Archbishop Joseph Kurtz of Louisville, the U.S. bishops’ conference president. “If true, this is troubling both for the well-being of faith communities and the good of our country.”


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So, let us analyze our current situation in America today;

Hackers are trying to reveal the truth to the general public.

The media is trying to hide the truth from the general public.



Oh, look how far we have fallen.
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So, let us analyze our current situation in America today;

Hackers are trying to reveal the truth to the general public.

The media is trying to hide the truth from the general public.



Oh, look how far we have fallen.

Did you see Kaine today deny any anti-Catholic intent in the WikiLeaks revelations about how they want to infiltrate the Catholic Church. Talk about a phony. All you have to do is read what WikiLeaks reveals.
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WikiLeaks says Assange's Internet link was severed by 'state party'

WikiLeaks says Assange's Internet link was severed by 'state party'

WikiLeaks said Monday that its founder Julian Assange’s Internet link was severed by a “state party” and that “appropriate contingency plans” had been activated.

Various U.S. officials and pundits have made threatening statements directed at Assange in the past. WikiLeaks tweeted in early October an alleged 2010 quote from then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton asking if Assange could be killed in a drone strike, and, that same year, former Democrat strategist Bob Beckel said on Fox News Channel that "a dead man can't leak stuff." This month, "specific information" prompted Assange to scrap a dramatic London balcony address to celebrate WikiLeaks' 10th anniversary.
Assange also has hinted that deceased DNC staffer Seth Rich may have been a secret source for WikiLeaks. Rich, 27, was discovered with multiple gunshot wounds to the back at a Washington, D.C., intersection in July. He died soon thereafter. Authorities believe Rich was the target of a botched robbery; however, odd circumstances surrounding his death have invited conspiracy theories.

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I can't find any sort of statement from Ecuador. If people are really uncertain as to whether or not Assange is dead, why can't they just confirm whether or not he is??

I also can't find anything that says the Ecuadorian Embassy's internet was severed. I'm assuming their ISP is internal, and in order for Assange's internet to be severed, someone would either need to hack into the embassy's internet, or someone at the embassy would have had to do it.

Whether this is true, or whether it's all made up, why hasn't Ecuador said anything, and furthermore, why hasn't anyone asked them anything??

Right now the whole thing just feels too weird to be believable.
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Hmmmm. Interesting.
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The dark hand of Hillary reaches far.
If she was somehow able to orchestrate having Pamela Anderson, the former Playboy centerfold, and former Baywatch star, and former wife of Motley Crue drummer Tommy Lee, to infiltrate the Ecuadorian Embassy and kill Julian Assange with a vegan sandwich, then yes I'd say so.

Right now, that is quite frankly too bizarre for me to believe. If someone like him who is being given asylum in an embassy is killed in that embassy, then I'd think Ecuador would have something to say about it.

Perhaps, just perhaps, that's not what happened at all. If it is true, then Trump has no chance. Anyone who so much control that they are able to orchestrate something that bizarre probably can't be stopped from doing anything.
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Apparently there is a new Wikileak showing that someone in the State Department was trying to lure the FBI into changing e-mail classifications with goodies for agents.

Oh, the corruption that is being exposed.

No wonder they want to cut off Julian's internet connection. They probably want to cut off his head too.
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Apparently there is a new Wikileak showing that someone in the State Department was trying to lure the FBI into changing e-mail classifications with goodies for agents.

Oh, the corruption that is being exposed.

No wonder they want to cut off Julian's internet connection. They probably want to cut off his head too.
Someone is going to have to explain to me, in technical terms, how he can be specifically targeted when the internet he's using is the same internet that the Ecuadorian embassy is using. It's not like they hacked into his Time Warner account and disabled it. If he can't get on the internet but the entire rest of the embassy can, then how the hell is that possible? I mean, can't he just log on with a different computer?
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Hillary campaign decides to take foreign lobbyist money per leaked e-mails:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...ist-cash.html#



Apparently they want to make sure that foreign entities like the Russians are not tampering in the election, unless they happen to be tampering by donating to the Clinton campaign. That is "good tampering", I guess.

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Podesta Laments That Muslim, not White Man, Was Shooter in San Bernardino, WikiLeaks Reveals.

Podesta Laments That Muslim, not White Man, Was Shooter in San Bernardino, WikiLeaks Reveals.

After MSNBC’s Chris Hayes reported that one of the two shooters in the attack was named Syeed Farook, Podesta wrote, "Better if a guy named Sayeed Farouk was reporting that a guy named Christopher Hayes was the shooter."

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Ecuador has acknowledged that it was their government who shut down his internet.

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Ecuador has acknowledged that it was their government who shut down his internet.

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Didn't John Kerry threaten Ecuador if they did not shut him down?
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Hacked emails appear to show Qatar pledging to donate $1 million to the Clinton Foundation

WikiLeaks hacked emails appear to show Qatar pledging to donate $1 million to the Clinton Foundation.

SEATTLE, Wash. (Reuters) - Hacked emails published by Wikileaks this week appear to show Qatar pledging to donate $1 million to Hillary*Clinton's family's charitable*foundation, despite her promise to curb new donations by foreign governments while U.S. secretary of state.

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Honestly, how is Clinton funneling foreign money into her campaign? I thought this was illegal.
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Didn't John Kerry threaten Ecuador if they did not shut him down?
That's what some of the people who recently thought Assange was dead are now saying, but at the moment it seems kind of unfounded. Correa is kind of a nut. I don't know if you can really threaten him because he's such a narcissist that I don't think he's capable of feeling threatened, even by something that is legitimately threatening. Thin skinned and easily insulted?? Yes. Threatened?? Probably not. He'd probably go on an hour long rant about how great he is and how no one can threaten him. I also can't imagine what John Kerry could actually do to him. I just don't think that Ecuador's government likes the idea that he's using their embassy to hack into other counties' governments and then publishing it all on the internet. I can understand not being too comfortable with that.
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Oh, I can see the Obama administration having the ability to make life difficult for most countries in this hemisphere, especially when they feel that the election rides on suppressing this information.
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Oh, I can see the Obama administration having the ability to make life difficult for most countries in this hemisphere, especially when they feel that the election rides on suppressing this information.
Earlier today many seemed to be able to see how Pamela Anderson could poison Assange to death with a vegan sandwich under the direction of Hillary Clinton. In fact, being able to make so many people think that's what had happened to him may be his most amazing feat yet. John Kerry threatening Ecuador is far easier to believe, but at the moment it's still pretty unfounded. Correa freaks out when teenagers attack him on Twitter and will actually lash back at them. If John Kerry threatened him then I don't think it would be within his capabilities to keep quiet about it. It also begs the question that if John Kerry can make threats that force Ecuador to cut off Assange's internet access, then why can't he make those same threats to force Ecuador to kick him out of the embassy??

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Washington D.C., Oct 14, 2016 / 11:56 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Following a leaked email from prominent political actors about a possible “Catholic Spring” movement to plant “seeds of the revolution” within the Church, the U.S. bishops' conference has rebuked interference in the Church and a political discourse that marginalizes the faithful and demeans women.
“There have been recent reports that some may have sought to interfere in the internal life of the Church for short-term political gain,” said Archbishop Joseph Kurtz of Louisville, the U.S. bishops’ conference president. “If true, this is troubling both for the well-being of faith communities and the good of our country.”


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Anyone else find it perplexing (and a little ironic) that the Democratic Party wants to fundamentally change the Catholic Church, when the major world religion in need of a fundmental shift is Islam?

Guess Hilga takes that "support and defend" crap about as seriously as her classified materials training.
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Anyone else find it perplexing (and a little ironic) that the Democratic Party wants to fundamentally change the Catholic Church, when the major world religion in need of a fundmental shift is Islam?

Guess Hilga takes that "support and defend" crap about as seriously as her classified materials training.
Islam = good. Catholics and Evangelicals = bad, rather deplorable.
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WikiLeaks:

96% of media donations went to Hillary.

In April and May of this year, Senator Bernie Sanders’ campaign charged the Clinton campaign with serious violations of campaign finance law, including*“looting funds meant for the state parties to skirt fundraising limits on her presidential campaign,” and exploiting “the rules in ways that let her high-dollar donors like Alice Walton of Wal-Mart fame and the actor George Clooney and his super-rich Hollywood friends skirt legal limits on campaign contributions.”

The prior allegations play into the hands of the Trump camp which has consistently portrayed Hillary Clinton as someone who doesn’t care about fellow Americans but only herself and getting rich. The release of an email yesterday by WikiLeaks, together with others over the prior eight days, are making those charges harder to refute.
Robby Mook is Hillary Clinton’s Campaign Manager. According to numerous leaked emails, over many months in 2014 Mook was consulting and coordinating elaborate professional services for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. Unfortunately, there were three major problems with this. Hillary Clinton had not told the Federal Election Commission that she was running a campaign; she wasn’t reporting contributions and expenditures; and Robby Mook, during this time, was being paid by Common Good PAC at the rate of approximately $10,000 per month. Common Good PAC is a Virginia Political Action Committee set up by Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe, a long time Clinton loyalist. (The PAC had already been the target of negative publicity for offering private dinners with Governor McAuliffe and his wife in exchange for $100,000 donations, according to the Richmond Times-Dispatch.)
The deterrent for Hillary Clinton to set up the normal exploratory campaign vehicle was that throughout 2014 and into the spring of 2015, both Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton were making millions of dollars giving paid speeches to global banks, corporations and corporate trade associations according to her financial disclosure report. Each of the Clintons received personal fees of typically more than $200,000 per speech. In an email dated November 18, 2014, long-time adviser to Clinton, Huma Abedin, wrote to other members of the Clinton camp: “We ended up locking in ALL her remaining paid speaking offers a few weeks ago. She reviewed them all with you at meeting so you know everything.” Those paid speeches for Clinton stretched into March of 2015, preventing her from declaring her candidacy without the need to dodge embarrassing questions on pay-to-play.
An October 7, 2014 speech that Hillary Clinton delivered on behalf of Deutsche Bank in exchange for a fee of $260,000 was particularly dicey. Just three months prior to this speech, the U.S. Senate’s Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations had conducted a hearing into how Deutsche Bank had engaged in a scheme with hedge funds to cheat the Internal Revenue Service out of billions of dollars in taxes. Just six months later, a unit of Deutsche Bank entered a guilty plea with the U.S. Justice Department for wire fraud and engaging in a price-fixing conspiracy.

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Ecuador has acknowledged that it was their government who shut down his internet.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN12H2E9
C'mon Brew you are ruining the "Dark Operatives" narrative here. What's wrong with you?
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The trickle of Wikileaks revelations from Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman John Podesta's email account is fraying the nerves of those in and surrounding Clinton world.
Politico looked into how Hillary, Bill and Chelsea Clinton were faring as more gossip and dirty laundry spills out and the short answer, according to sources, is not well.
The former president is 'having a hard time,' between the leaks and Donald Trump dredging up his past scandals, the former first daughter is livid and the Democratic nominee is straight up 'p***ed' that she's having to deal with these daily mini-scandals in the final month of her White House run.

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Ecuador says it has 'temporarily restricted' WikiLeaks founder Assange's internet access

Fixed. I guess Trump is right.

Ecuador's government acknowledged Tuesday that it has "temporarily restricted" internet access at its embassy in London for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange after the website published a trove of documents from Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.

On Monday, the group tweeted: "We can confirm Ecuador cut off Assange's internet access Saturday, 5pm GMT, shortly after publication of Clinton's Goldman Sachs (speeches)." In follow-up messages posted Tuesday, the group claimed U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry had personally intervened to ask Ecuador to stop Assange from publishing documents about Clinton. Citing "multiple US sources," WikiLeaks said the request was made on the sidelines of negotiations which took place last month in Colombia.
The State Department denied the allegation.

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What is the difference between this administration and the Clinton's and the communist regimes we grew up hearing about? Only one I can think of, they don't kill people for their beliefs or opinions. The repression and propaganda are pretty similar.
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What is the difference between this administration and the Clinton's and the communist regimes we grew up hearing about? Only one I can think of, they don't kill people for their beliefs or opinions. The repression and propaganda are pretty similar.
How do you know they don't kill people?
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How do you know they don't kill people?
You're still here.
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But there are people who are not.
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Wikileaks with a teaser about Donna Brazille and Tim Kaine.
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Wikileaks has become a slow-motion train wreck for the Clintons, the DNC, the FBI, the mainstream media and the Obama administration. The tangled web of lies, cheating and deceit just gets more and more tangled with each revelation and each cover-up denial. A lot of this stuff has legs and will wind up under investigation and maybe prosecution, IMO.

The whole bunch of them try to dismiss it as "the Russians tampering", but oddly they refuse to directly claim that the e-mails are fabrications. They know that if they go down that path, and they are not really fabrications, and therefore can be corroborated with other evidence (other e-mails that leak in the future, their own e-mail archives, etc.), then they are up $hit creek without a paddle. I wonder how many people in Washington DC are planning to bleach-bit their hard-drives and then smash them with a hammer this week?

It's fun to watch.....

One way that they could have avoided this situation was by being honest, decent human beings who followed the law and ethical standards.

Instead, we are learning that they are in the business of doing anything that they think they can get away with in the pursuit of power, money and influence, with no regard for the founding principles of this country. It appears that this is the entire culture of Washington. Oh, how I wish we could drain that swamp. And I mean that when looking at both parties. These leaks are good for America. I think they are fantastic for America.

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Wikileaks has become a slow-motion train wreck for the Clintons, the DNC, the FBI, the mainstream media and the Obama administration. The tangled web of lies, cheating and deceit just gets more and more tangled with each revelation and each cover-up denial. A lot of this stuff has legs and will wind up under investigation and maybe prosecution, IMO.

The whole bunch of them try to dismiss it as "the Russians tampering", but oddly they refuse to directly claim that the e-mails are fabrications. They know that if they go down that path, and they are not really fabrications, and therefore can be corroborated with other evidence (other e-mails that leak in the future, etc.), then they are up $hit creek without a paddle.

It's fun to watch.....

One way that they could have avoided this situation was by being honest, decent human beings who followed the law and ethical standards.

Instead, we are learning that they are in the business of doing anything that they think they can get away with in the pursuit of power and influence, with no regard for the founding principles of this country. It appears that this is the entire culture of Washington. Oh, how I wish we could drain that swamp. And I mean that when looking at both parties. These leaks are good for America. I think they are fantastic for America.
All true, but unfortunately the ones who should be holding them accountable for these actions are standing by and allowing it to happen. I have lost all confidence in our media, politicians, and law enforcement agencies when it comes to the Clinton crime machine. The FBI conclusion with the e-mail scandal was the final straw. The Clintons know they can get away with anything and are invincible. The only way to stop them is now in the hands of the voters. If we fail to do so, their crime and corruption capabilities will have no boundaries. All of this exposure of their corruption will go by the waste side.

It just amazes me that in our country a candidate that has been proven over and over to be as corrupt as HC is even permitted to run for office of the POTUS. What HC has been shown to be makes Richard Nixon look like the Pope, and he was impeached and thrown out of office for one incident. Even his own party held him accountable. Hillary could shoot up a room full of children and puppies and her supporters wouldn't be swayed.

Disgusting what is happening to this country. You are correct, the whole swamp needs drained.
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Unreal that the libs want to fire away at DT for "Russia" and the wikilinks drama. I don't give a rats ass how anyone is getting the information. The bottom line is that it is exposing the behind the scenes corruption. If you don't want to get exposed, don't lie/cheat/steal.
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Unreal that the libs want to fire away at DT for "Russia" and the wikilinks drama. I don't give a rats ass how anyone is getting the information. The bottom line is that it is exposing the behind the scenes corruption. If you don't want to get exposed, don't lie/cheat/steal.
Well, you should give a rat's ass. I think there is a serious problem with all this. Here's why....

A prosecutor cannot use any evidence that they know was obtained illegally. Now, if someone steals a phone, finds kiddie porn on it, and turns it into the police then they can use that, but only if they are unaware that the phone was stolen when they got it. EVERYONE is aware that Julian Assange is a hacker, and that everything he's leaking he illegally obtained. He may be embarrassing the hell out of her, but that's really all he's doing. Her own constituency doesn't seem to care, and Assange is basically giving her instant immunity for everything that he leaks.

Look, Assange is so far left that he's basically an anarchist. I'm CERTAIN that he knows what he's doing. He most likely doesn't want to help the right. I know he hates Clinton, but I still think that his main objective is to screw it up for everyone. If it is, then it's working. It is going to be exceedingly difficult to make any of this stick. The more he leaks, the less they can use against her.

I realize that you hate Hillary and you like that he's embarrassing the hell out of her, but this guy is not your friend. He'd publish our military and nuclear secrets, or probably even sell them, if he thought there was something in it for him.

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Wikileaks has become a slow-motion train wreck for the Clintons, the DNC, the FBI, the mainstream media and the Obama administration. The tangled web of lies, cheating and deceit just gets more and more tangled with each revelation and each cover-up denial. A lot of this stuff has legs and will wind up under investigation and maybe prosecution, IMO.
Unfortunately, probably not. See above. You may want to stop and think for a second about how helpful any of this really is. She does not appear to be losing her lead, and everything that Assange releases is as useful to the courts as ear plugs are to a deaf man.
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If you side with The Right, Marco Rubio is one of yours. Listen to him...

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Beyond that, Trump allowing her to go on the Russian spin is just pure political incompetence. The whole thing is a great big softball on a tee.

"I condemn any foreign intervention in our elections. And as POTUS I will take all measures to bring to justice and punish anyone and any country hacking into our systems and our state secrets. However, when it comes to the WikiLeaks disclosures, what Hillary leaves out is the content. Yes, the way it came to be disclosed is reprehensible and will be met with swift action. But that doesn't make the content untrue. And that's a big story here folks, just look at the things you know about her......."

Instead we get the "she doesn't know who did it, might be a 400 pound guy sitting on his bed".
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Well, you should give a rat's ass. I think there is a serious problem with all this. Here's why....

A prosecutor cannot use any evidence that they know was obtained illegally. Now, if someone steals a phone, finds kiddie porn on it, and turns it into the police then they can use that, but only if they are unaware that the phone was stolen when they got it. EVERYONE is aware that Julian Assange is a hacker, and that everything he's leaking he illegally obtained. He may be embarrassing the hell out of her, but that's really all he's doing. Her own constituency doesn't seem to care, and Assange is basically giving her instant immunity for everything that he leaks.

Look, Assange is so far left that he's basically an anarchist. I'm CERTAIN that he knows what he's doing. He most likely doesn't want to help the right. I know he hates Clinton, but I still think that his main objective is to screw it up for everyone. If it is, then it's working. It is going to be exceedingly difficult to make any of this stick. The more he leaks, the less they can use against her.

I realize that you hate Hillary and you like that he's embarrassing the hell out of her, but this guy is not your friend. He'd publish our military and nuclear secrets, or probably even sell them, if he thought there was something in it for him.



Unfortunately, probably not. See above. You may want to stop and think for a second about how helpful any of this really is. She does not appear to be losing her lead, and everything that Assange releases is as useful to the courts as ear plugs are to a deaf man.
You are correct with the legality of it...but unfortunately the feds will never comply with a FOIA requests to obtain the information that is being exposed. She has proven she is immune from prosecution. Where you are wrong, is that the information that has already been exposed doesn't have to be used in the court of law for prosecution. The feds and investigators can obtain the information themselves.

If a complainant comes to the law and states they obtained evidence illegally, they can be dealt with. It doesn't immediately grant immunity for those who have committed crimes, it just means that the law has to then obtain the evidence legally. The law can't use wikileaks information for prosecution, but they **** sure can obtain subpoenas and obtain emails and information legally. It is pretty easy to establish PC for the subpoena or warrant.

Until the feds secure the information, it is going to be out there for hackers. Now it is time for the feds to complete a proper investigation. Had they completed a proper one in the past, Wikileaks wouldn't even be releasing dirt.

Regarding the Rubio statements...Good...it should be you if you are playing dirty pool. Both sides should run scared and know in the future that you should have your affairs in order and have them in order the right way.

I can't stand both HRC and DT. I just happen to hate HRC more. You give me a right leaning independent and I will be all over it. That isn't the case, and HRC has shown she isn't deserving of my vote. Until we get rid of the two party system, it leaves many with weak follow up options that don't stand a chance.

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You are correct with the legality of it...but unfortunately the feds will never comply with a FOIA requests to obtain the information that is being exposed. She has proven she is immune from prosecution. Where you are wrong, is that the information that has already been exposed doesn't have to be used in the court of law for prosecution. The feds and investigators can obtain the information themselves.

If a complainant comes to the law and states they obtained evidence illegally, they can be dealt with. It doesn't immediately grant immunity for those who have committed crimes, it just means that the law has to then obtain the evidence legally. The law can't use wikileaks information for prosecution, but they **** sure can obtain subpoenas and obtain emails and information legally. It is pretty easy to establish PC for the subpoena or warrant.

Until the feds secure the information, it is going to be out there for hackers. Now it is time for the feds to complete a proper investigation. Had they completed a proper one in the past, Wikileaks wouldn't even be releasing dirt.

Regarding the Rubio statements...Good...it should be you if you are playing dirty pool. Both sides should run scared and know in the future that you should have your affairs in order and have them in order the right way.

I can't stand both HRC and DT. I just happen to hate HRC more. You give me a right leaning independent and I will be all over it. That isn't the case, and HRC has shown she isn't deserving of my vote. Until we get rid of the two party system, it leaves many with weak follow up options that don't stand a chance.
I'm aware of that, but in this situation I don't see that as being easy. I see it as being exceedingly difficult. If you know the cops are coming, you've got plenty of time to flush the stash.
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You are correct with the legality of it...but unfortunately the feds will never comply with a FOIA requests to obtain the information that is being exposed. She has proven she is immune from prosecution. Where you are wrong, is that the information that has already been exposed doesn't have to be used in the court of law for prosecution. The feds and investigators can obtain the information themselves.

If a complainant comes to the law and states they obtained evidence illegally, they can be dealt with. It doesn't immediately grant immunity for those who have committed crimes, it just means that the law has to then obtain the evidence legally. The law can't use wikileaks information for prosecution, but they **** sure can obtain subpoenas and obtain emails and information legally. It is pretty easy to establish PC for the subpoena or warrant.

Until the feds secure the information, it is going to be out there for hackers. Now it is time for the feds to complete a proper investigation. Had they completed a proper one in the past, Wikileaks wouldn't even be releasing dirt.

Regarding the Rubio statements...Good...it should be you if you are playing dirty pool. Both sides should run scared and know in the future that you should have your affairs in order and have them in order the right way.

I can't stand both HRC and DT. I just happen to hate HRC more. You give me a right leaning independent and I will be all over it. That isn't the case, and HRC has shown she isn't deserving of my vote. Until we get rid of the two party system, it leaves many with weak follow up options that don't stand a chance.
Evan McMullin is definitely a right-leaning independent. Libertarians are right-leaning when it comes to fiscal responsibility and turn left at regulating the bedroom.

The only way to break the two-party system is to vote against it - completely.
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Charles Krauthammer pretty much summed things up for me today. His opinion piece was dead on.
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Democracy needs informed voters to be healthy. The national media is no longer a valid source of information in many cases. Social media and small-time investigative news sources are doing something to fill that void. Wikileaks is giving people a crash course education on the corruption that has grown inside and hollowed-out our democracy.
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I'm aware of that, but in this situation I don't see that as being easy. I see it as being exceedingly difficult. If you know the cops are coming, you've got plenty of time to flush the stash.
Which is why you can't trust high level law enforcement officials that are appointed by partisan politicians currently in office.

You have a horrible excuse for an FBI director and a horrible excuse of an AG. They are never going to investigate those who are in positions of power above them fairly.
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So when voters choose Brexit they are informed but if they choose Clinton they aren't? Is that what you mean?

I agree voters in the US are usually ill informed. But that isn't some recent trend. Has nearly always been that way. Voters may actually be better informed now because of the volume of information available.

The media traditionally has never been neutral. If you think it is biased now you should read what it was like in the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries. You think William Randolph Hearst ran an unbiased media organization?
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So when voters choose Brexit they are informed but if they choose Clinton they aren't? Is that what you mean?

I agree voters in the US are usually ill informed. But that isn't some recent trend. Has nearly always been that way. Voters may actually be better informed now because of the volume of information available.

The media traditionally has never been neutral. If you think it is biased now you should read what it was like in the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries. You think William Randolph Hearst ran an unbiased media organization?
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The problem is verifying the information. The majority of my friends are conservatives. I look at what some of them post on social media and I just shake my head. Conservative or not, it is asinine what some of them believe to be fact. Same with the other side...someone shares something on social media as it is fact. No one in our shoes knows whether or not they are coming or going due to the amount of mis-information out there. The MSM is at fault for the majority of it as they under report what they don't want to see....it isn't that they flat out lie, but they simply project their agenda.

Too much information isn't always a good thing. We spend most of our time deciphering out the crap.
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Agree with that. A lot of the information on both sides is highly suspect. So while there is much more information much is just false.
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Remember when Democrats laughed at Mitt Romney for listing Russia as our greatest threat in the world?

Now, every time that Wikileaks releases a new batch of shocking insight behind the mask of the Clinton campaign, Dems want to change the subject to the threat of Russia.

I wonder of Wikileaks is now considered a greater threat than global warming within the DNC?

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I wonder of Wikileaks is now considered a greater threat than global warming now within the DNC?
Nice prediction.
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IMO, this has the potential to be a very explosive break in this case



http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/254852337-story

Seth Rich...confirmed evidence that he was in contact with Wikileaks...DCPD was told to stand down regarding investigating his murder.
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Seth Rich, slain DNC staffer, had contact with WikiLeaks, say multiple sources

Seth Rich, slain DNC staffer, had contact with WikiLeaks, say multiple sources.

The Democratic National Committee staffer who was gunned down on July 10 on a Washington, D.C., street just steps from his home had leaked thousands of internal emails to WikiLeaks, law enforcement sources told Fox News.

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The Russians? Is Seth Russian?
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It was suicide, just ask Vince Foster.
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Seth Rich, slain DNC staffer, had contact with WikiLeaks, say multiple sources.

The Democratic National Committee staffer who was gunned down on July 10 on a Washington, D.C., street just steps from his home had leaked thousands of internal emails to WikiLeaks, law enforcement sources told Fox News.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...ator-says.html

The Russians? Is Seth Russian?
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Crowd Strike

The DNC would not allow the FBI to investigate their server. Instead, they hired a third part contractor Crowd Strike, out of the Ukraine, a contractor who hates Putin. The FBI never investigated. Instead, they accepted what Crowd Strike said. There is no evidence the Russians hacked the DNC server.

There is evidence Seth Rich communicated to WikiLeaks.

An FBI forensic report of Rich's computer --*generated within 96 hours after Rich's murder -- showed he made contact with WikiLeaks through Gavin MacFadyen, a now-deceased American investigative reporter, documentary filmmaker, and director of WikiLeaks who was living in London at the time, the federal source told Fox News.

The federal investigator, who requested anonymity, said 44,053 emails and 17,761 attachments between Democratic National Committee leaders, spanning from January 2015 through late May 2016, were transferred from Rich to MacFadyen before May 21.

On July 22, just 12 days after Rich was killed, WikiLeaks published internal DNC emails that appeared to show top party officials conspired to stop Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont from becoming the party’s presidential nominee. That controversy resulted in Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigning as DNC chairperson

“I have seen and read the emails between Seth Rich and WikiLeaks,” the federal investigator told Fox News, confirming the MacFadyen connection. He said the emails are in possession of the FBI, while the stalled case is in the hands of the Washington Police Department.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...ator-says.html

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The DNC would not allow the FBI to investigate their server. Instead, they hired a third part contractor Crowd Strike, out of the Ukraine, a contractor who hates Putin. The FBI never investigated. Instead, they accepted what Crowd Strike said. There is no evidence the Russians hacked the DNC server.
Since when does anyone tell the FBI what to do.
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Since when does anyone tell the FBI what to do.
The FBI Relied on a Private Firm’s Investigation of the DNC Hack—Which Makes the Agency Harder to Trust.

The DNC maintains there’s a simple answer to this question: According to the group, the FBI never asked to see their servers. But FBI Director James Comey told the Senate Intelligence Committee back in January that the FBI did, in fact, issue “multiple requests at different levels” to the DNC to gain direct access to their computer systems and conduct their own forensic analysis.
Instead, whether because they were denied access or simply never asked for it, the FBI instead used the analysis of the DNC breach conducted by security firm CrowdStrike as the basis for its investigation. Regardless of who is telling the truth about what really happened, perhaps the most astonishing thing about this probe is that a private firm’s investigation and attribution was deemed sufficient by both the DNC and the FBI.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_te...owdstrike.html

Assange said all along the leaks were not from Russia.
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There seems to be a hole in the timeline of Seth Rich's murder.

He left the bar at 1:15 am, and he was shot at 4:17 am. Where was he between 1:15 am and 4:17 am?

And I did not know that there is video tape of the shooting.

From SeaBass's link in the Russia thread....https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/05/...fer-seth-rich/:

Two assailants caught on a grainy video tape from a camera posted outside a grocery mart, shot Rich twice in his back, but did not take his wallet, cell phone, keys, watch or necklace worth about $2,000.

As you’ll recall, Rich’s death has been shrouded in mystery from the start as he was reportedly shot from behind in the wee hours of the morning but was not robbed of the nearly $2,000 worth of cash and jewelry on his body at the time.

Rich had been at Lou’s City Bar a couple of miles from his home until about 1:15 a.m. He walked home, calling several people along the way. He called his father, Joel Rich, who he missed because he had gone tosleep. He talked with a fraternity brother and his girlfriend, Kelsey Mulka.

Around 4:17 a.m., Rich was about a block from his home when Mulka, still on the phone with him, heard voices in the background. Rich reassured her that he was steps away from being at his front door and hung up.

Two minutes later, Rich was shot twice. Police were on the scene within three minutes. Rich sustained bruising on his hands and face. He remained conscious, but died at a nearby hospital less than two hours later.

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We live in an age where false flag operations are rampant. All you can assume is everyone is lying. You cannot know who did what. The only way to have a shot of living in freedom is to dismantle the CIA, FBI and stand down the military.

There still may be ways for people to play their games behind the scenes but the people of the US have to be willing to not go back.
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Seth Rich

Assange implies murdered DNC staffer was leak source
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange implied in an interview that a murdered Democratic National Committee staffer was the source of a trove of damaging emails the rogue website posted just days before the party's convention.

Robbery? Killed but never robbed.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...ks-source.html
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Julian Assange rape charges dropped by Swedish authorities

Julian Assange rape charges dropped by Swedish authorities.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/05...s-assange.html
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Julian Assange rape charges dropped by Swedish authorities.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/05...s-assange.html
I'm not really a fan of Assange, but this whole thing was rather ridiculous because he was never actually charged with anything. He was wanted for questioning. He thought, probably correctly, that it was an end around to get him extradited to the United States. Ecuador seemed to agree with him and let him move in. He's still pretty much stuck there.
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I for one can't figure out how the US could charge him anything. Not a citizen, not done in the US. I can't figure out what he is guilty of. Seems like they got the guy when they put Manning away (since released).
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I for one can't figure out how the US could charge him anything. Not a citizen, not done in the US. I can't figure out what he is guilty of. Seems like they got the guy when they put Manning away (since released).
I don't know about all of the specific technicalities, but he published classified information. They want to charge him with espionage, but the problem is that they actually have to get him to the United States in order to do it. Don't you remember when Peter King, and several others, wanted to declare him a terrorist??

https://www.cnet.com/news/republican...eaks-response/
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Assange implies murdered DNC staffer was leak source
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange implied in an interview that a murdered Democratic National Committee staffer was the source of a trove of damaging emails the rogue website posted just days before the party's convention.

Robbery? Killed but never robbed.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...ks-source.html
Implied? You are putting it lightly my friend. He all but said Rich was the leak. They also offered $20K for information about his murder.

I never once thought Russia was the source, but I'm now pretty convinced it was Seth Rich and he was killed for it. Assange has repeated time and time again that it was not the Russians.
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Implied? You are putting it lightly my friend. He all but said Rich was the leak. They also offered $20K for information about his murder.

I never once thought Russia was the source, but I'm now pretty convinced it was Seth Rich and he was killed for it. Assange has repeated time and time again that it was not the Russians.
If true, imagine the house of cards that this would bring down. What would the Liberal media do with itself if the Russia thing was debunked so flatly?
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If true, imagine the house of cards that this would bring down. What would the Liberal media do with itself if the Russia thing was debunked so flatly?
I'm guessing they would ignore it and/or call it fake news.
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Seth Rich-related story.



http://www.realclearlife.com/news/bo...n-dnc-staffer/


Lawsuit Alleges Fox News Created Fake Story About Slain DNC Staffer

Fox News contributor claims the network created a false story with the help of a Trump supporter.
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Exclusive=> Insider Ed Butowsky: Seth Rich’s Father Confirmed His Son Was the Wikileaks Leaker

Exclusive=> Insider Ed Butowsky: Seth Rich’s Father Confirmed His Son Was the Wikileaks Leaker.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018...old-knew-sons/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-up-questions/

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