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Old 03-13-2009, 10:43 PM
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MP feeling it....horrible no call on teh charge...jeezus these refs suck.
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Because after this debacle it would be somewhat embarassing to show up and perhaps not be selected

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wright has alot of work to do over the summer. he just isn't smart on the court all too often
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Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic08 View Post
this one is on BG. i dont like to criticize BG to much...but we werent mentally prepared.

ahhh so frustrating to watch this team sometimes
Agreed. BG has done some strange things this season and they've worked, I'll give him credit for that. But it seems like every chance this team has had the chance to take the step forward and really be a legit top 25 type of team, they lay an egg. It always looks like a lack of focus rather than a lack of talent. They haven't been in this game since about 15:00 left in the first half.
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make a nice run , then basically GIVE it ALL back.

perry some nice plays. let's get CW out of there
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Man, chris just hasn't had a good game at all. I think that was our last gasp down there. I thought we had a chance to make it interesting but i think we just blew it.
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Ballgame...CW did NOT show up in the A-10 tourney.....UD just didn't have it tonight. They let Duq dictate the temp from start to finish....outplayed by a team they should probably have beaten. Oh well.

UD should be a lock, but there are never guarantees with the goofy azz selection committee.
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Our perimeter defense has been friggin awful tonight...how the F does bolding get open for so many threes.

Hey BG, stick someone on the hot shooter!
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ballgame over. oh well, time to get ready for the big dance.
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Well Duquesne is going to show the rest of the world how to beat us. All you have to do is pack the paint on D.
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Well, i guess the good news is that for the next 5 days or so, defense will be stressed in practice. I would hope that in game one of the tourney we bring our D at the very least.

So disappointing tonight.

Hardly any CJ in the last 8 minutes by the way.
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UD may have won twice in the regular season, but Duq won when it mattered most.....sad, sad, sad. UD plays like this in the tourney and it'll be one half and done!
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Duquesne sure looks tired playing their 3rd game in 3 days...
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Originally Posted by joeybaloney View Post
wright has alot of work to do over the summer. he just isn't smart on the court all too often
needs a jump shot and he needs to figure out how not to play like a bull in a china shop.
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Chuck gets mugged...no call....MP touches the other guy....freebies for Duq...whatever.

perhaps but this is Way more than foul calls. gotta give Everhart credit , his time is stoked and ready.
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Okay DU just turned back our final run. We just don't have it tonight. I guess its time to focus on Sunday. Maybe with the loss we drop to a 10 or 11 seed and have a better chance to win our second round game. Because we are going to win the first game!
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LW with 11 assists? Talk about a quiet 11 assists ...
He should have 15 if he could throw a F'n LOB!
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Originally Posted by ndflyer View Post
wow you are an *******. No wonder every person on this board is robotic and has the same opinions as everyone else and people cant give criticism when its due.
criticism and saying things that are absolutely prepubescent like a little child throwing a temper tantrum and giving absolutes about how the world is ending and why everything that happened during the season is now expunged is not only an embarrassment to this site, but an indictment on how little about basketball and this program you comprehend.

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Screw the bus, make them walk back...dribbling a basketball the whole way.
Rather than dribble... make them shoot free throws!
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Two Thoughts Come to Mind:
(1) this is why those who posted that we should be a 5, 6, 7 seed
and the bracket people were biased - well, nothing more to say about
that anymore.
(2) we are what we are, a 10 seed. I'm still confident about that.
Selection Sunday, however, just got a little more nerve wracking.
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Originally Posted by Chris R View Post
criticism and saying things that are absolutely prepubescent like a little child throwing a temper tantrum and giving absolutes about how the world is ending and why everything that happened during the season is now expunged is not only an embarrassment to this site, but an indictment on how little about basketball and this program you comprehend.

If you want to throw your toys around the room and kick and scream and live your Flyer life 5 seconds at a time, go do it elsewhere and save me the trouble. But you will NOT leverage my hard work in order to salivate at each chance to play the victim card.
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Well Duquesne is going to show the rest of the world how to beat us. All you have to do is pack the paint on D.
Yup. I've been saying this all year - UD has a major disadvantage with Warren at the point since he has no shot. I love LW's defense and intensity and he has gotten better as a ball handler, but when the defense plays him like a center on the perimeter, it's hard for your slashers to get to the hoop, which is the only way UD is going to do well offensively....combine that with the fact that the Flyers don't look like they want to cut to the hoop and play hard tonight = ugly, embarassing loss. Hope we don't get screwed and end up with a 10/11 seed after this, but I see the BCS-loving committee sticking it to UD. I would have rather lost to URI.
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So... with a loss tonight, what does this do to our "lock" in the dance?
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If I didn't know any better, I'd swear that Dayton was the team playing its 3rd game in 3 days. Not a bright idea to wait until 33 minutes in to decide to play with passion. Shame on the Flyers for thinking they can mail one in - especially after last night! One thing you could count on from the Flyers this year - and why I especially admired this edition - was the energy they brought to the court. There were only 3 exceptions:

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Well looks like Vegas knows something that we don't know. I hope people didn't put a lot of money on this game.
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Originally Posted by Donniex3Era View Post
Two Thoughts Come to Mind:

(2) we are what we are, a 10 seed. I'm still confident about that.
Selection Sunday, however, just got a little more nerve wracking.
Don't watch the selection show. One way to reduce anxiety.
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Lower seed may not be such a bad thing when we are clearly a better team when playing as the underdogs.
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MP feeling it....horrible no call on teh charge...jeezus these refs suck.
right when MP is feeling it guess what he gets pulled....gregory you got the game day coaching skills of lloyd carr
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Wow, this was ugly. It's like the guys decided with the win last night they didn't need to show up tonight. CW played his worst game of the year as did MJ.

I'm glad Charles and Mickey showed up tonight or this loss could have been 30.
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right when MP is feeling it guess what he gets pulled....gregory you got the game day coaching skills of lloyd carr
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Who Really Believes This Team Can Win a Game?

Can UD win a game in the NCAA? We are down 12 points and play with a lineup that is 3 on 5 at the offensive end of the court. KH and LW do not belong on the court when you are trying to come from behind.
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Originally Posted by Chris R View Post
criticism and saying things that are absolutely prepubescent like a little child throwing a temper tantrum and giving absolutes about how the world is ending and why everything that happened during the season is now expunged is not only an embarrassment to this site, but an indictment on how little about basketball and this program you comprehend.

If you want to throw your toys around the room and kick and scream and live your Flyer life 5 seconds at a time, go do it elsewhere and save me the trouble. But you will NOT leverage my hard work in order to salivate at each chance to play the victim card.
Well, that tirade made absolutely no sense in reference to what I said.
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What happened to the effort our guys gave last night?

Disgusted with our defensive effort. How do you allow three players from Duquesne to go off like they did tonight?
Our guys double down too often leaving outside shooters wide friggin open.
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Perry is in ...
he got pulled in the middle of that run. lf still nowhere to be seen, heard that guy played well last time out.
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London got his money's worth on that foul...
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Hard to put

lipstick on this pig. Frankly, I'm disappointed in the Flyers tonight. We looked flat and like we really did not care if we lost this game. Hats off to Duquesne for playing inspired basketball. I hope they defeat Temple and claim the championship.

Games like this do not give me much hope that we can win a game in the dance.
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he got pulled in the middle of that run. lf still nowhere to be seen, heard that guy played well last time out.
I just saw him hit a 3
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Bad loss - still a lock.
lets hope so...lets hope so...
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Duquense had 3 players play the whole game, what happened to our bench?
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yeah Perry sucked it up at wisconsin and can't play Ball.

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I just saw him hit a 3
imagine that luke being a threat against a zone...
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I hope they defeat Temple and claim the championship.
Absolutely not...nice to get 4 teams in - but if Duquesne wins...could bump us out.
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Well, that tirade made absolutely no sense in reference to what I said.
Chris wasn't talking to you if you read his quote.
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i recall this stud named Chris from early to midseason last year.
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I don't know if I am the only one but I think that our bench would beat our starters.
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Duquense had 3 players play the whole game, what happened to our bench?
our bench had some great players sitting on it
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If BG was half as smart as some of the posters on this board think they are, we would be undefeated this season.
I get the sarcasm there, but BG is not a good coach. He's a great recruiter and at times looks like he knows what he's doing, but his players don't look like they are well developed. BG has done well b/c he has great talent. His crazy 12-man deep rotation has worked to some extent. But getting outcoached by Duquesne tonight considering the circumstances is kind of embarassing. You have to get your players prepared for a game like this. It's one thing if UD just looked worn out down the stretch and faded, but once again, away from UD Arena, they looked uninterested, confused, and got beat by an inferior opponent. Once in a while that happens (see Texas A&M loss to TTU for a recent example, or Pitt/Okla losses), but for UD it seems to becoming a constant tease. I've dealt with a lot of sketchy losses this season without being too critical, but between the Charlotte, SLU and now DU losses, I'm starting to wonder if BG really knows what he's doing. I hope he continues to improve himself as well as his players - next year could be even bigger than this season.
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This is the game where Rob Lowery's injury really affected Dayton's ability to come from behind. With him in the game, at least UD has some semblance of an offense at the PG position
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Well, on the bright side; Mickey Perry played perhaps his best game of the year and when Charles got touches he was productive. Searcy also looked good in limited minutes. ST whether he was still injured or not did not look good.

Just gota get MJ and CW back on track and ready to go for the NCAA tournament.
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Well, that tirade made absolutely no sense in reference to what I said.
it did. i cannot possibly fathom what came over you to say possibly the stupidest thing posted on this forum in over 2 months except to do nothing more than incite a riot.

Explain to me why we need to call CBS to tell them not to show up on Sunday? Is it going to rain in Dayton on Sunday? Are you going to be out of town and cant make it to Frericks? Is your pet poodle giving birth?

At times, the more I read the posts on game day, the more Im convinced a lot of you know so much less about Flyer basketball than what you lead on. A few of you couldnt talk your way out of a brown paper bag.

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It's only one loss. Not to worry. UD will go out and play hard in the NCAA tournament.
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Absolutely not...nice to get 4 teams in - but if Duquesne wins...could bump us out.
There is no way that will happen, not with UD beating DU twice this season already. The winner of the championship gets in, the loser goes to the NIT. Temple still has not done enough. Their profile is significantly worse than ours and the Flyers beat them in their only matchup. UD is in, although I fear that they will get stuffed with a 10 seed out in Boise and play at 11 at night!
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udn baseball, that has nothing to do with it.

DU hits ft's , has good outside shooters. many times we don't know how to move the ball, or london and chris too out of control.

where BG has failings is with searcy and Cj. gotta play both those guys more.

the injury to Lowery hurts us more than some of think. imagine another 10 points and d intensity. and some outside shots from him.

Du is a quality program these past 3 years. good going for Everhart.
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And it's over... Gotta admit I was more concerned about Duquesne than I was Richmond. Figured it would be difficult to beat a team three times in one season; and also figured Duquesne would have an agenda tonight after we throttled them last weekend.

I guess it's comforting to know we beat them twice. Hopefully that will give us the edge should it come down to it. Really hoping this doesn't take us out of the dance.
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Guys didn't show up tonight.

In hindsight, would have probably been better off playing Rhody. At least then maybe the guys would have been fired up to ge revenge. Seems like the Flyers thought they had this game won before it started.

It almost seems like the team was watching "bracketology" and were content to win one game to become a "lock" rather than being A-10 champs.

Dukes wanted game more, that was obvious. 3 guys play 40 minutes after back to back games and they still out hustle our 11 man rotation. So much for the Dukes getting tired.

I'm worried about the tournament. Seems like our guys having trouble getting up for games without having the crowd at the arena to feed off of. You would think they would have not trouble getting up for an NCAA game, but then again you would think they would have no trouble getting up for an A-10 semifinal game.

We'll see what happens. Hopefully the committee doesn't decide to screw us.
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duquesne shoots like this against Temple it will be equal carnage for the Owls. Game reminded me of the Duq/Xavier game at Palumbo.
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Another major missed opportunity.

The most disappointing thing for me about this result is that this team played all season to set themselves up for this tournament. The brass ring was there for them to take. An A-10 championship is a major goal and accomplishment every season. Coming into this tournament, you had to think that Dayton had the bracket set up for them to get the job done. With the path very clear in front of them, they spit the bit. Just a really poor performance at the very worst time.

So for all that this team has accomplished this year, you go an look at the really memorable, big-time, unique, and special things they could have done this season and they're one (assuming) for four with one left to go:

1. Win at _avier: No
2. Win A-10 regular season: No
3. Win A-10 Tournament: No
4. Make NCAA tournament: Calling this one a Yes.
5. Advance in the NCAA Tournament: TBD

For all the Flyers have accomplished, and with all the heart, toughness, and grit they have played with all season, to see this team drop the ball when the goal of the moment was within reach, it's just really heartbreaking and sad.

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Searcy? Did not play in the 2nd half, is he ok? I know KH does all the invisible things very very well but we need Searcy.
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Lets look at the bright side of this.

1. BG will not be going anywhere soon. Perhaps Eberhart will thou.

2. CW will not be turning pro after this season.

Well folks its tourney time and things look all familiar....one and done.


If the selection committee does have a bias against UD the flyers just gave them a reason to justify that bias.
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Their guards had 48 points between them--

Warren and Huelsman DID NOT SCORE--playing 3 on 5 offensivley will not win many games
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it did. i cannot possibly fathom what came over you to say possibly the stupidest thing posted on this forum in over 2 months except to do nothing more than incite a riot.

Explain to me why we need to call CBS to tell them not to show up on Sunday? Is it going to rain in Dayton on Sunday? Are you going to be out of town and cant make it to Frericks? Is your pet poodle giving birth?

At times, the more I read the posts on game day, the more Im convinced a lot of you know so much less about Flyer basketball than what you lead on. A few of you couldnt talk your way out of a brown paper bag.

Had to be said.
While I am not defending Kiefaber at all (I'm looking forward to seeing UD on CBS), but you have to expect these (and other) kinds of comments during a losing effort by the Flyers. Call it flapping your mouth, call it passion, call it stupidity, whatever. I'm not sure he incited a riot though, but I understand your rebuttal.

I do like the poodle birth joke....where did that come from?? Why yes, my poodle is giving birth at exactle 6pm EST on Sunday and it will take exactly one hour! Heh.
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Searcy? Did not play in the 2nd half, is he ok? I know KH does all the invisible things very very well but we need Searcy.
Not trying to player hate, but what invisible things did KH do tonight?
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ballgame over. oh well, time to get ready for the big dance.
They are still not a lock; if Dukes win it all; my 3 would be Xavier, Duquesne and Temple.
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And it's over... Gotta admit I was more concerned about Duquesne than I was Richmond. Figured it would be difficult to beat a team three times in one season; and also figured Duquesne would have an agenda tonight after we throttled them last weekend.

I guess it's comforting to know we beat them twice. Hopefully that will give us the edge should it come down to it. Really hoping this doesn't take us out of the dance.
I don't see that happening with our credentials. It would be a new low for the selection committee.
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While I am not defending Kiefaber at all (I'm looking forward to seeing UD on CBS), but you have to expect these (and other) kinds of comments during a losing effort by the Flyers. Call it flapping your mouth, call it passion, call it stupidity, whatever. I'm not sure he incited a riot though, but I understand your rebuttal.

I do like the poodle birth joke....where did that come from?? Why yes, my poodle is giving birth at exactle 6pm EST on Sunday and it will take exactly one hour! Heh.
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I get the sarcasm there, but BG is not a good coach. He's a great recruiter and at times looks like he knows what he's doing, but his players don't look like they are well developed. BG has done well b/c he has great talent. His crazy 12-man deep rotation has worked to some extent. But getting outcoached by Duquesne tonight considering the circumstances is kind of embarassing. You have to get your players prepared for a game like this. It's one thing if UD just looked worn out down the stretch and faded, but once again, away from UD Arena, they looked uninterested, confused, and got beat by an inferior opponent. Once in a while that happens (see Texas A&M loss to TTU for a recent example, or Pitt/Okla losses), but for UD it seems to becoming a constant tease. I've dealt with a lot of sketchy losses this season without being too critical, but between the Charlotte, SLU and now DU losses, I'm starting to wonder if BG really knows what he's doing. I hope he continues to improve himself as well as his players - next year could be even bigger than this season.

The last time I checked, Pitt, Oklahoma, and all other teams had several losses each, on the road, and some were quite bad. I remember one loss Pitt had last year quite well.

BG is a good coach. Anyone who says he is not is clueless. You do not win 26 games and have #22 RPI in the country without knowing what you are doing.

And Duquesne is NOT an inferior program. They have some real stud athletes, who came into this game with a big chip on their shoulders from the two previous smack downs we have given them. Plus, they were not even gauranteed an NIT invite until tonights victory.

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Originally Posted by longtimefan67 View Post
They are still not a lock; if Dukes win it all; my 3 would be Xavier, Duquesne and Temple.
Please explain how Temple makes it in over Dayton? Advancing to the A-10 final doesn't justify a bid. Dayton is safely in, winner of tomorrow's game goes dancing, loser goes to the NIT.
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Originally Posted by cralford View Post
I don't see that happening with our credentials. It would be a new low for the selection committee.
Which is exactly why a win tonight would have locked it up. I really don't understand the lack of passion or preparedness this UD team showed up with tonight. I really don't get it at all...Don't ever think you're a lock with the NCAA selection committee (not unless you're 19-13 and your jersey says KENTUCKY on it).
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We laid an egg in the conference tourny after we had already sewed up a NCAA tourny bid. It happens, oh well.

There are not 15 teams that are going to jump us because we lost to a 20+ win team in the semi-finals of the conference tourny.
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Not trying to player hate, but what invisible things did KH do tonight?
Well, he was invisible as far as scoring points in this game
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Not trying to player hate, but what invisible things did KH do tonight?
Look at his stats - or lack thereof.

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This board reminds me of a guy the other night at the Beavercreek vs Fairmont girls Basketball game. Beavercreek couldn't throw it in the ocean and get the ball wet, so we need a new coach fire Ed Zink all he does is win.

26-7 and all some of you can do is sit behind the bench and b*tch. Don't know anything but you sure can type. Win and no credit, but lose and they all suck. Nothing positive EVER but wine and cry like little B-----s.

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Originally Posted by longtimefan67 View Post
They are still not a lock; if Dukes win it all; my 3 would be Xavier, Duquesne and Temple.
So you think Temple should go to the dance ahead of UD?

Let's look at this shall we....

Head to Head Winner: Dayton
Dayton RPI: 22, Temple RPI: 38
Dayton record vs. RPI top 25: 1-1, Temple, 2-4
Dayton record vs. RPI top 50: 3-2, Temple, 2-5
Dayton Record vs. RPI top 100: 8-4, Temple: 5-8

Please tell me, based on the criteria the tournament committee uses to determine the NCAA tourney field, would be the deciding factor on why Temple would get a bid ahead of Dayton. I would love to hear this.
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Originally Posted by udndbaseball View Post
Please explain how Temple makes it in over Dayton? Advancing to the A-10 final doesn't justify a bid. Dayton is safely in, winner of tomorrow's game goes dancing, loser goes to the NIT.
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They played one hell of a tough schedule and finished strong, btw, their strength of schedule is very very tough. We'd all better hope Temple takes care of business. Personally, I think they've done enough to get an at large bid into the NCAA. If they lose, they could easily get an invite. Don't count your chickens bud, stranger things have happened.
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Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan View Post
The last time I checked, Pitt, Oklahoma, and all other teams had several losses each, on the road, and some were quite bad. I remember one loss Pitt had last year quite well.

BG is a good coach. Anyone who says he is not is clueless. You do not win 26 games and have #22 RPI in the country without knowing what you are doing.

And Dusquesne is NOT an inferior program. They have some real stud athletes, who came into this game with a big chip on their shoulders from the two previous smack downs we have given them. Plus, they were not even gauranteed an NIT invite until tonights victory.
I didn't say BG was a bad coach...he's average. I've seen the same stuff you have this year and BG gets outcoached a lot. His great recruiting and raw talent has equated more wins than his coaching. And when I refer to "coaching" I'm referring to game day prep, developing talent, and in-game adjustments. He could very well become a good coach, we'll see. Right now, I'm not sure. He's done enough to keep the ship going (2 tourneys, 1 NIT in 6 seasons)

As for Pitt and Oklahoma, they don't lose on the road to Charlotte and St. Louis and UMass. They might have a slipup like that once a season, but they back it up with a ton of quality wins. Don't get me wrong, I hope people look at those Flyer loses as "part of a long season". Perhaps its who you lose to rather then the quality of the team you lose to that hurts UD there.

As for Duquesne, you said it best yourself...if they are needing a win tonight just to get into the NIT, Dayton should be able to handle them. Inferior doesn't mean they aren't a decent team, just that a better team like UD should be able to beat them. UD made them look much better than they were.
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They played one hell of a tough schedule and finished strong, btw, their strength of schedule is very very tough. We'd all better hope Temple takes care of business. Personally, I think they've done enough to get an at large bid into the NCAA. If they lose, they could easily get an invite. Don't count your chickens bud, stranger things have happened.

See Snackmans stats above...he says it best. Temple has more "bad losses", the same number of top wins, UD has more top 50 and 100 wins and has the head-to-head. Nobody cares about a program like Temple's tough SOS if they can't beat anyone. They have to win the tourney tomorrow to get in.
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Originally Posted by UDBaller View Post
This board reminds me of a guy the other night at the Beavercreek vs Fairmont girls Basketball game. Beavercreek couldn't throw it in the ocean and get the ball wet, so we need a new coach fire Ed Zink all he does is win.

26-7 and all some of you can do is sit behind the bench and b*tch. Don't know anything but you sure can type. Win and no credit, but lose and they all suck. Nothing positive EVER but wine and cry like little B-----s.

Let's see who give me crap first.....maybe the one who knows he's the one I'm talking about!
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Look at his stats - or lack thereof.

0 FGA, 0 FTA, 2 RBs, 1 TO, 1 Foul - all in 19 minutes

Just remember, KH does the "invisible" things excellent!
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Originally Posted by udndbaseball View Post
See Snackmans stats above...he says it best. Temple has more "bad losses", the same number of top wins, UD has more top 50 and 100 wins and has the head-to-head. Nobody cares about a program like Temple's tough SOS if they can't beat anyone. They have to win the tourney tomorrow to get in.
I think you're forgetting one important point; historically, UD gets overlooked frequently this time of year AND Temple IS in the title game. Now maybe the Dukes win and 4 teams go from the A10, but I think that's a stretch. Just because we beat Temple head to head, doesn't mean that much since after all, most of Temples losses were on the road, much like UD. Head to head with X, they split, just like us. Against RI, they lost on the road, just like us. They tied us for 2nd place. Don't get cocky about it. All we need is another Cleveland St. type of upset in a lesser conference, and a good team gets left out...
Oh yeah, our victory over Marquette...they match with their victory over Tennessee. NOW, who finished stronger???
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Originally Posted by UDBaller View Post
This board reminds me of a guy the other night at the Beavercreek vs Fairmont girls Basketball game. Beavercreek couldn't throw it in the ocean and get the ball wet, so we need a new coach fire Ed Zink all he does is win.

26-7 and all some of you can do is sit behind the bench and b*tch. Don't know anything but you sure can type. Win and no credit, but lose and they all suck. Nothing positive EVER but wine and cry like little B-----s.

Let's see who give me crap first.....maybe the one who knows he's the one I'm talking about!
Hey, you're perfectly welcome to accept the mediocrity of the play and effort of tonight's game.
Stephen Thomas just about cracked another rib taking a charge--his teammates should have played with that type of desire
26-7 is wonderful--27-6 would be even nicer.
Now tell me how if they play like this next Thursday or Friday--assuming they receive a bid to the NCAA tournament--they do not end up 26-8?

BTW, BG must be pi$$ed, it's almost 40 minutes after the game and he still hasn't done his radio show.

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Originally Posted by longtimefan67 View Post
I think you're forgetting one important point; historically, UD gets overlooked frequently this time of year AND Temple IS in the title game. Now maybe the Dukes win and 4 teams go from the A10, but I think that's a stretch. Just because we beat Temple head to head, doesn't mean that much since after all, most of Temples losses were on the road, much like UD. Head to head with X, they split, just like us. Against RI, they lost on the road, just like us. They tied us for 2nd place. Don't get cocky about it. All we need is another Cleveland St. type of upset in a lesser conference, and a good team gets left out...
So the logic is there is some sort of conspiracy theory against Dayton? I still fail to see facts that would establish Temple as a team more deserving of a bid.

For what it's worth, at halftime of the WVU/Syracuse game, Lunardi had Temple as one of the last 4 out. Temple has to win tomorrow... Bottom line.
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I think you're forgetting one important point; historically, UD gets overlooked frequently this time of year AND Temple IS in the title game. Now maybe the Dukes win and 4 teams go from the A10, but I think that's a stretch. Just because we beat Temple head to head, doesn't mean that much since after all, most of Temples losses were on the road, much like UD. Head to head with X, they split, just like us. Against RI, they lost on the road, just like us. They tied us for 2nd place. Don't get cocky about it. All we need is another Cleveland St. type of upset in a lesser conference, and a good team gets left out...
Oh yeah, our victory over Marquette...they match with their victory over Tennessee. NOW, who finished stronger???
When the BCS lovefest that is ESPN has us as a lock (I'm sure with a protest from Andy Katz and Jay Bilas), we are in. They have been more than there fair share of doubts about UD this season.

I don't think anything I've said is being cocky, so calm down. Our RPI is roughly ten spots better (and that encorporates SOS into the equation I believe). As for Marquette, that win is better than Tennessee (a full strength Marquette). Tack on the Temple and Auburn wins and you'll have a tough time convincing the committee that Temple has more quality wins. Penn State? Bubble team. URI? Out. Duquesne? We have two wins over their one so far. That's their wins over the top 100 RPI. I'm not trying to argue that Dayton is so far ahead of Temple it's uncomparable, but I do feel (and every bracket website seems to agree) that UD has put together a better resume than Temple. If UD is a 9/10 seed right now, Temple is close, but out.

The one thing I will agree with you about is that I prefer to see Temple win tomorrow. That keeps the committee from having to make any decisions about the A-10 other than seeding.
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Not trying to player hate, but what invisible things did KH do tonight?
I don't know, I couldn't see any....again.
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Brilliant coaching, your down a bunch with 3 minutes or so to go and you have 2 players in the game who can't SCORE! BRILLIANT!
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To all you naysayers, the Flyers are in. Have you heard the committee say they look at the total body of work and how a team finished in their last 10 games? Well we were 5-5 in our last 10 games and prior to that we were 21-2! Instead of some of you tearing our own players down lets just give some props to Duquesne for a great game plan. They had a lot of incentive, NIT, NCAA, PRIDE, not to mention the fact that they still had a chip on their shoulder from getting whooped at UD Arena last Saturday on Senior night. Heck, if it wouldn't have been for BG wanting to get Charles out of the game at the 2 min. mark for a standing ovation the final margin would have been by 22 or 23 points instead of 13. I believe we will see a different team from the one we saw tonight and the Flyers will get their mojo back when the NCAA Tournament starts.
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Well Duquesne is going to show the rest of the world how to beat us. All you have to do is pack the paint on D.
This is 100% correct. Notice how much space LW gets at the top of the key. He is not shooting. He is not Jonny Flynn or a PG that can shoot. His skills are defense and pushing the ball.

Problems we are having stem from that... we are not getting transition baskets and are often in the half court set. We are not effective in these situations.

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Rather than dribble... make them shoot free throws!
Yeah, and they could only move 15 feet at a time, if they make the FT. If they miss - try again, and stay put until you make it!

LOL - b/c it beats the alternative (crying).
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What happened to the effort our guys gave last night?

Disgusted with our defensive effort. How do you allow three players from Duquesne to go off like they did tonight?
Our guys double down too often leaving outside shooters wide friggin open.
I generally agree with the concept of doubling down @ the start of a game, making the other team prove it can beat you from outside. But when they start hitting, you gotta change your mindset, stick to the perimeter, & make them prove they can take it inside. Our guys tend to wait too long before changing their mindset , and as a result, you see outcomes like you saw last night.

And so much for the "fresh legs" theory. The box score says 2 Dukes played all 40 mins last night, and a 3rd guy played 39. Yeah, they were tired all right! Tired of treating us like their prison beeotches!

Oh, well, time to see where we're playing next weekend, and then get back to what won us 26 games in the first place.

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