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Old 03-27-2016, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Fudd View Post
What can the NBE do for Gonzaga that they have not already done for themselves? They were ranked number one in the nation for a while a few years back. They get into the NCAA Tournament every year (many times with a very high seed) and regularly win when they get there.
Agreed, but maybe it's a case of getting east coast eyeballs on Gonzaga, and west coast eyeballs on the rest of the NBE.
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Gonzaga is a terrible geography fit, not only for basketball, but for all other sports. Unless the Big East really expanded to include St Mary's and a few more western teams, it would not work out well. Creighton is figuring out its no fun being so far removed from everyone else you play; travel like that eventually wears on you and I can only imagine in the non marque sports, it makes recruiting a bit tougher.
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why would Gonzaga want to leave the WCC? They have a sweet setup as they make the Big Dance every year.
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Old 03-28-2016, 09:25 AM
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A Sporting News article I read had the Big East commissioner sort of throwing cold water on this idea: there is not a big appetite for BE expansion right now among the BE presidents, and geography would play a big role in the selection of any expansion candidates.

Wichita State may work as a traveling partner for Creighton, no way does Gonzaga work geographically, unless they are a basketball-only member. Would the WCC be ok with letting Gonzaga be a member for every sport except basketball? Seems doubtful.

IMO, this sounds like sort of buyer's remorse from Creighton...just ask West Virginia how much fun it is traveling to all those Big 12 games.


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A Sporting News article I read had the Big East commissioner sort of throwing cold water on this idea: there is not a big appetite for BE expansion right now among the BE presidents...

...which is bad news for UD fans clamoring for an invite. Everything UD is doing - Arena upgrades, Archie pay raise, etc... - has one consistent theme behind it....Impress the Big East. An invite is the AD's sole purpose right now. That's the Royal truth...

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If Creighton is having buyers remorse and wants to back out then they can back out. Especially if they're going to keep making outrageous suggestions such as this.
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Just looking at a map, IMO, Creighton has it much worse, in terms of traveling to BE schools, than WVU has it traveling to Big 12 schools.

WVU has to travel to the states of Iowa, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas.

Creighton has to travel from Omaha to Milwaukee, Chicago, Indianapolis, and Cincinnati, which is not horrible, but it also has to travel to Providence, New York City x2, Philadelphia, and Washington D.C. Sounds rough.
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Just looking at a map, IMO, Creighton has it much worse, in terms of traveling to BE schools, than WVU has it traveling to Big 12 schools.

WVU has to travel to the states of Iowa, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas.

Creighton has to travel from Omaha to Milwaukee, Chicago, Indianapolis, and Cincinnati, which is not horrible, but it also has to travel to Providence, New York City x2, Philadelphia, and Washington D.C. Sounds rough.
Well, like I said, if they want to leave, and need help packing, that's not a problem!
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Originally Posted by Fudd View Post
What can the NBE do for Gonzaga that they have not already done for themselves? They were ranked number one in the nation for a while a few years back. They get into the NCAA Tournament every year (many times with a very high seed) and regularly win when they get there.
More money.
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Old 03-28-2016, 10:09 AM
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Maybe Creighton is nervous that they could be REPLACED by UD, so they are floating some possible western additions to shore up their position.

What? . . . It could happen.
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Old 03-28-2016, 10:16 AM
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If they let Gonzaga in, then in two years Gonzaga will be wanting BYU and St Mary's in. All of a sudden the Big East will be renamed the Somewhat Big USA.
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If they let Gonzaga in, then in two years Gonzaga will be wanting BYU and St Mary's in. All of a sudden the Big East will be renamed the Somewhat Big USA.
Or just break into 2 divisions...the Big East-East and the Big East-West
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More money.
For who?? The amount of money per school that each team gets from the TV deal will remain exactly the same.

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Or just break into 2 divisions...the Big East-East and the Big East-West
Or, just not add anyone. Or, better yet, just dump Creighton!
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Old 03-28-2016, 10:40 AM
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IMHO, there is no reason for the NBE to expand it's Conference until it's contract with Fox Sports is ready to be renegotiated. What would be the driving force behind such a move? It is unlikely to get any more money from broadcast rights, so adding additional schools to the Conference would simply reduce funds going to existing members. Unlike the major FB Conferences, the BB Leagues do not need 12 teams to hold a Conference Championship, so there is no incentive to add more schools for that purpose. In addition, having only 10 member institutions did not hurt the NBE's profile in obtaining invitations to the NCAA Tourney which will provide a nice tidy to sum to the Conference. Given all that, there does not appear to be a motivating force for the NBE to expand at this time. If UD were in that league, I doubt we'd be clamoring for expansion.

Why Creighten would be pushing for expansion now is anybody's guess. The school may feel it is too far removed from other NBE members to generate much enthusiasm among it's Alums, or it may find that a lack of natural, regional rivalries is hurting it's ability to recruit. I sure don't envy them their travel schedule, especially for the lesser sport teams, but there are trade offs in life and this is part of the cost they're paying for the big broadcast bucks. Now, I would only hope that when it eventually comes down to expanding their league, 'Nova, St. John's, SHU, Providence, DePaul and Butler will stand up to the Jesuit cabal and nix any more Jessie institutions.
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For who?? The amount of money per school that each team gets from the TV deal will remain exactly the same.



Or, just not add anyone. Or, better yet, just dump Creighton!
Pretty sure he meant the reason for Gonzaga to move from the WCC to the BE was more money for them. I don't know anything about their ESPN tv contract but they get a lot of games on the ESPN networks. I would wager the BE tv contract dollars are better though.

Anyway, I think we are in a good spot in the A10 as currently constructed, but put me in the camp that thinks a move to the Big East would be a net upgrade. Let's get Creighton on the horn about a switcheroo.
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If they let Gonzaga in, then in two years Gonzaga will be wanting BYU and St Mary's in. All of a sudden the Big East will be renamed the Somewhat Big USA.
Not BYU, they play football
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If they let Gonzaga in, then in two years Gonzaga will be wanting BYU and St Mary's in. All of a sudden the Big East will be renamed the Somewhat Big USA.
Their mega-conference vision and mine seem to differ a bit.I keep seeing this huge game of Twister being played out by the various AD's trying to out-stretch the 'other' conferences.. If conferences based in individual sectors of the country didn't make sense the P5 and the like would've responded a long time ago with a nationwide conference footprint. Greed overriding logic imo.
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^^^

travel was significantly harder when many of the P5 conferences were formed. How long ago w/ the B10 formed?

100+ years ago, when it was founded, Northwestern to the University of Chicago was a quick wagon ride, while a trip to Illinois was a quick train ride to Ann Arbor might have meant you slept on the train on the way back from games.

Flash forward 50+ years when Michigan St joined, and all of these destinations were mainly short, private bus rides, fast forward another 50ish years to when Penn St joined and most of these trips were still short bus rides for the Wildcats, while a few mixed in commercial air travel to the middle of Pennsylvania, and perhaps charter flight for the larger football team. Move forward in time another 25ish years to today and any long trip, for any team is likely chartered, back in the student's bed that night, while many of the trips can remain short bus trips.

Most of the conferences remain largely geographically based, because travel is still an issue, even w/ the quicker jet travel, it adds up if you have to do it too often. WVU, and now apparently Creighton has found out the difficulties of life out on an island. Until teleporters are invented, mixing Gonzaga into the current Big East is a fool's errand.
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travel was significantly harder when many of the P5 conferences were formed. How long ago w/ the B10 formed?

100+ years ago, when it was founded, Northwestern to the University of Chicago was a quick wagon ride, while a trip to Illinois was a quick train ride to Ann Arbor might have meant you slept on the train on the way back from games.

Flash forward 50+ years when Michigan St joined, and all of these destinations were mainly short, private bus rides, fast forward another 50ish years to when Penn St joined and most of these trips were still short bus rides for the Wildcats, while a few mixed in commercial air travel to the middle of Pennsylvania, and perhaps charter flight for the larger football team. Move forward in time another 25ish years to today and any long trip, for any team is likely chartered, back in the student's bed that night, while many of the trips can remain short bus trips.

Most of the conferences remain largely geographically based, because travel is still an issue, even w/ the quicker jet travel, it adds up if you have to do it too often. WVU, and now apparently Creighton has found out the difficulties of life out on an island. Until teleporters are invented, mixing Gonzaga into the current Big East is a fool's errand.
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Just looking at a map, IMO, Creighton has it much worse, in terms of traveling to BE schools, than WVU has it traveling to Big 12 schools.

WVU has to travel to the states of Iowa, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas.

Creighton has to travel from Omaha to Milwaukee, Chicago, Indianapolis, and Cincinnati, which is not horrible, but it also has to travel to Providence, New York City x2, Philadelphia, and Washington D.C. Sounds rough.
According to the NCAA mileage calculator, West Virginia has it rougher.

West Virginia
Avg distance to 9 member schools: 1154
Min distance: 870
Max distance: 1466

Creighton
Avg distance to 9 member schools: 954
Min distance: 474
Max distance: 1420

And for A10 comparisons...

Dayton
Avg distance to 13 member schools: 513
Min distance: 257
Max distance: 779

Saint Louis
Avg distance to 13 member schools: 824
Min distance: 364
Max distance: 1127
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More money.
Gonzaga has been to the NCAA Tournament the last 16 years in a row. There has to be considerable money in that.
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According to the NCAA mileage calculator, West Virginia has it rougher.

West Virginia
Avg distance to 9 member schools: 1154
Min distance: 870
Max distance: 1466

Creighton
Avg distance to 9 member schools: 954
Min distance: 474
Max distance: 1420

And for A10 comparisons...

Dayton
Avg distance to 13 member schools: 513
Min distance: 257
Max distance: 779

Saint Louis
Avg distance to 13 member schools: 824
Min distance: 364
Max distance: 1127
And Hawaii's got to have it the roughest, but they have really nice beaches, so I'm not going to feel sorry for them.
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why would Gonzaga want to leave the WCC? They have a sweet setup as they make the Big Dance every year.
I totally agree!
And for the same kind of reason, why would UD want to leave the A10?
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I totally agree!
And for the same kind of reason, why would UD want to leave the A10?
As long as they can keep Archie(as Gonzaga has done with Few) the Flyers have an easier path to the Big Dance out of the A-10 than out of the NBE.
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And Hawaii's got to have it the roughest, but they have really nice beaches, so I'm not going to feel sorry for them.
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Ouch.

For a little bit of reference, UCLA to West Virginia is 2464 miles.

Maybe Gonzaga to the Big East isn't that bad...

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As long as they can keep Archie(as Gonzaga has done with Few) the Flyers have an easier path to the Big Dance out of the A-10 than out of the NBE.
We barely made it in last year. This year Bonnie not in at 29RPI - Butler and Providence both easily in with much higher RPI's.
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Travel isn't an issue for basketball....travel is an issue for golf, etc....

Revenue sports aren't the problem when thinking about the entire athletic department and getting the non-revenue teams where they need to be on a weekly basis.
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As long as they can keep Archie(as Gonzaga has done with Few) the Flyers have an easier path to the Big Dance out of the A-10 than out of the NBE.
as the ACC is teaching all of us this year the bigger and more talented the conference the better. Better recruits, better TV deals, more bids and more Elite 8's and Final Four's and perhaps Championships. The BE is definitely a better path for an upgrade of the program. No more high school gyms!
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Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse View Post
as the ACC is teaching all of us this year the bigger and more talented the conference the better. Better recruits, better TV deals, more bids and more Elite 8's and Final Four's and perhaps Championships. The BE is definitely a better path for an upgrade of the program. No more high school gyms!
Besides, I hate the eggheads so bad, I would root against them at the Arena, even if the ticket prices doubled!
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The Flier's should leave the A10 for the same reason X did; more money, better league, and a bunch of bottom feeders who won't invest in upgrading their programs.
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I don't know how many of you are aware of this but the Big Ten is on the verge of selling half of their tier 1 media rights to FOX. The reason why this is a big deal is because the value that FOX is willing for pay for this is way more than what initial estimates that people were projecting the deal to be worth. As in, people who have done the math to guess how much the Big Ten schools were going to make 50 million dollars per school, assuming that all of the value of the other half of the tier 1 media rights is equal to what FOX is willing to pay. To give you context, the Big Ten schools were making recently 30 million dollars per school including their whole sports package with Tier 1/2/3 with the BTN.

I am just speculating here but I could see this indirectly helping UD get into the Big East. It is clear based on what is being shown with the deal with the Big Ten that Fox is looking for more content to fill. This could include Big East games that FOX would cover due to expansion of the conference. If FOX is willing to so pay so much more for content compared to their broadcasting rivals, why would they not target the Big East to fill some more games on their channel?

I admit that their are some holes in this theory such as me assuming that FOX still has more money to spend for broadcasting rights in the near future. Also, I feel like that there is something going on behind the scenes that the public is not aware of. However, I think it is something to keep an eye on. For those of us who follow the business/conference realignment landscape of college sports, this is kind of a big deal for us.
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If FOX gets more B1G media rights, that means a lowered national profile for the Big East overall, because the B1G will now get the primetime slots and weekend national network games, not the Big East.
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Doubt it very much....the two conferences will have their own unique nights...as it was back when ESPN had the Big East as well as other conference games. The ability to cross promote (during Big 10 games...you promote Big Wednesday game in the Big East...or whatever the other conference has night wise. I think it could be argued that its a win for both conferences as the cross promoting ability will put more eyes and interest on both conferences. Net win for the Big East for sure.
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If FOX gets more B1G media rights, that means a lowered national profile for the Big East overall, because the B1G will now get the primetime slots and weekend national network games, not the Big East.
Sort of. the "primetime slots and weekend national network games" are already at a minimal number. The Fox flagship network showed very few Big East games, and all were afternoon games. I don't think the coverage of the Big East will decline. It will continue to predominantly be on FS1 just like it is now, whereas the Big Ten will get more games on the flagship network.

Fox already owns part of the Big Ten Network, BTW. I think they're after the streaming rights as much as anything. I don't know that, but that's why I think Fox wants this so bad.
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All speculation aside, I just want UD to go on a run over the next several years that the Big East wants us as much or more than we need them.

I want to go out to Holy Land of Hoops and, while not posting, reading the posts from fans from 9 BE schools absolutely destroying the XU fans for their posts talking S**t about UD. Eventually, the fans from these other schools will find out how obnoxious most X fans are (XUBrew excluded). Many already are seeing it...
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UD just needs to keep put an exciting product out on the floor every year. Big 10 action leaving ESPN means something needs to fill this space in basketball season so it could possibly mean more A10 exposure and more A10 exposure means staying at the top of the standings so we get games on national tv with VCU, Joe's etc.
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I want to go out to Holy Land of Hoops and, while not posting, reading the posts from fans from 9 BE schools absolutely destroying the XU fans for their posts talking S**t about UD. Eventually, the fans from these other schools will find out how obnoxious most X fans are (XUBrew excluded). Many already are seeing it...
People are people. All teams have fans that are polite and fans that are obnoxious. X fans are not more or less obnoxious than UD fans. Michigan fans are not more or less obnoxious than OSU fans. Wright State fans...do they have fans Anyways, you get the point.

Your personal feelings for the team itself is greatly influencing your perception of the fans.

ESPN had a great commercial a few years back of two soccer fans from opposing teams getting ready for gameday. Both guys were doing the exact same things..except one rooting for red and the other blue, face paint, jersey, our fans are great, other teams fans stink. Pretty funny.
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as the ACC is teaching all of us this year the bigger and more talented the conference the better. Better recruits, better TV deals, more bids and more Elite 8's and Final Four's and perhaps Championships. The BE is definitely a better path for an upgrade of the program. No more high school gyms!
.... or you end up being Boston College or DePaul.
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If they let Gonzaga in, then in two years Gonzaga will be wanting BYU and St Mary's in. All of a sudden the Big East will be renamed the Somewhat Big USA.
I would prefer naming it the Really Big East if this were to occur.
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Sorry to have to say this but if rumors come true regarding Dayton upgrading its football program then we will not ever be admitted to the NBE, sniff, sniff, que sera sera.

In a galaxy far far away I remember talk of building a new Mike Kelly football field at the present fairgrounds and upgrading the football program to compete with the likes of Louiville, Miami, Cincy etc. Of course we went entirely 180 and became a Div 111 program. So much for rumors, plans and outcomes. It is what it is.

Might want to take a look at the football thread regarding Neil Sulllivans comments about Daytons sports programs, yes plural.
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.... or you end up being Boston College or DePaul.
I wonder how BC liked the 0-29 collar in the 2 major sports.
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I wonder how BC liked the 0-29 collar in the 2 major sports.
Well just think with one win they will have improved their programs. Nothing but blue sky ahead.
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Sorry to have to say this but if rumors come true regarding Dayton upgrading its football program then we will not ever be admitted to the NBE, sniff, sniff, que sera sera.

In a galaxy far far away I remember talk of building a new Mike Kelly football field at the present fairgrounds and upgrading the football program to compete with the likes of Louiville, Miami, Cincy etc. Of course we went entirely 180 and became a Div 111 program. So much for rumors, plans and outcomes. It is what it is.

Might want to take a look at the football thread regarding Neil Sulllivans comments about Daytons sports programs, yes plural.
Fail to see how possibly building an on site 5-7000 seat stadium for football affects our basketball affiliation in any way. We are not upgrading the program to scholarship. Three NBE schools field a football team.
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Fail to see how possibly building an on site 5-7000 seat stadium for football affects our basketball affiliation in any way. We are not upgrading the program to scholarship. Three NBE schools field a football team.
If that is all they are talking about or considering then yeah, but there is what some are considering a hint at more with Neil Sullivan's comments in his interview. As far as I know there is nothing written in stone
one way or the other. Just passing along what someone posted in the football thread, interesting to some that Sullivan mentions football in the same sentence as the other sports Dayton wants to compete at on a larger stage. Nothing more or nothing less, pure conjecture and after all its the off season so why not look outside the box.
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Sorry to have to say this but if rumors come true regarding Dayton upgrading its football program then we will not ever be admitted to the NBE, sniff, sniff, que sera sera.

In a galaxy far far away I remember talk of building a new Mike Kelly football field at the present fairgrounds and upgrading the football program to compete with the likes of Louiville, Miami, Cincy etc. Of course we went entirely 180 and became a Div 111 program. So much for rumors, plans and outcomes. It is what it is.

Might want to take a look at the football thread regarding Neil Sulllivans comments about Daytons sports programs, yes plural.
Sorry if someone took this literal and offended some but there has been talk of upgrading the football program since I've followed UD sports. It was in jest. Pipe dream, most likely but as I pointed out they actually considered upgrading the program many moons ago and ended up in D3. Just pointing out how rumors flow and ebb, mostly never if ever reaching fruition.
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Sorry if someone took this literal and offended some but there has been talk of upgrading the football program since I've followed UD sports. It was in jest. Pipe dream, most likely but as I pointed out they actually considered upgrading the program many moons ago and ended up in D3. Just pointing out how rumors flow and ebb, mostly never if ever reaching fruition.
I was really thinking you were serious. I'm glad you posted the clarification.

I think UD would be foolish to play football at any level higher than where they're at. I don't even think FCS Scholarship level would make sense, but perhaps someone could justify it.

I don't know what the future holds for UD's conference affiliation, but I think there is another shakeup coming in the next year or two as the B1G nears the end of their TV contract. I suspect they expand again and the ACC is the target.
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Mildly related to the topic of football and scheduling, this article discusses how some non-power 5 teams are coupling football buy games with basketball home-and-home to get Power 5 schools to play basketball games at their place.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...ling/83350976/

UMass is getting a basketball home-and-home with South Carolina and with Georgia as part of agreeing to a football games at South Carolina and at Georgia. Also Western Kentucky got a basketball home-and-home with Wisconsin as part of a buy-game deal with Wisconsin football. Not suggesting that UD will ever be able to do the same, but interesting to see ways some non-P5 are getting inventive in their scheduling.
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Xavier is playing a home and home with Northern Iowa starting this year, seems like another dodge of UD.
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Xavier is playing a home and home with Northern Iowa starting this year, seems like another dodge of UD.
They are not "dodging" UD by playing UNI. Playing UNI is a two year deal and then they can move on and find another opponent to best fit their scheduling needs at that time. If they were to restart a series with UD it would be very difficult for them to stop it after two years.

Everyone just needs to accept the fact that both programs have moved on from the series and unless they meet in a tournament they aren't going to play.
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Everyone just needs to accept the fact that both programs have moved on from the series and unless they meet in a tournament they aren't going to play.
I'm not sure how you can say BOTH programs have moved on from the series since UD would still play it but X will not. I guess you could say UD has moved on but only because X has forced them to move on by refusing to play them.
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I'm not sure how you can say BOTH programs have moved on from the series since UD would still play it but X will not. I guess you could say UD has moved on but only because X has forced them to move on by refusing to play them.
That is probably an accurate description of the situation, but the bottom line is they aren't playing. Both programs/coaching staffs have moved on from it. I hate to say it but the only group that hasn't really moved on are a lot of my fellow Flyer fans.
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Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
Xavier is playing a home and home with Northern Iowa starting this year, seems like another dodge of UD.

They aren't dodging us. Can we please stop acting like WSU fans!
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Let Xavier Be Xavier

They are a very good team in a very good conference. They have done well since leaving the A-10. They looked pretty good in Orlando last Thanksgiving weekend as I recall. The Dayton Flyers are enjoying an unparalleled renaissance under Archie Miller. As a fan for a long, long, long time I can assure the Flyer Faithful that these are the good old days. Dayton no longer needs to define themselves through the Xavier series and we can all let Xavier be Xavier. I'd love to play them but it is more likely to be in the NCAA tournament than the regular season. Both programs should be preseason top 25 this Fall. The Dayton Flyers are a top contender in the A-10 and Xavier will contend with Villanova for the Big East title.
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I don't look for any NBE team to schedule the Flyers, at least in the near term.
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They are not "dodging" UD by playing UNI.
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They aren't dodging us.
I disagree, they are dodging the game. Playing a non-Wichita State MVC school on the road?

And they said at the time of the NBE formation that they wanted the rivalry to continue. They do not want the rivalry to ever continue.

UD will be fine without them, but X did lie about wanting the rivalry to continue.

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I do not recall X saying they wanted they UD series to continue. Do you have a link?
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I do not recall X saying they wanted they UD series to continue. Do you have a link?
I will check for a link, but Coach Mack was on tv on Channel 9 WCPO Sports of All Sorts with John Popovich very soon after the NBE formation, and I called in and asked Coach Mack on the air what was going to happen to the UD vs. Xavier rivalry, and he said on the air that Xavier would like to continue playing UD and would make the effort to continue the rivalry. He lied to me.

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They did say that. The shame with all this looking down your noses at a lot of local teams and claiming territorial areas has destroyed a lot of basketball rivalries across the nation. This so called elitist attitude is ruining college basketball. UC won't play us, Xavier won't play us, Louisville won't play us, we won't play Wright State, Ohio State won't play Dayton, Xavier or UC, Butler won't play us, we won't play at Ohio U is all hogwash. This type of attitude also cost money that could be made.
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Not playing Xavier has been the best thing to happen to UD basketball in the last 30 years. There are no coincidences.
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They did say that. The shame with all this looking down your noses at a lot of local teams and claiming territorial areas has destroyed a lot of basketball rivalries across the nation. This so called elitist attitude is ruining college basketball. UC won't play us, Xavier won't play us, Louisville won't play us, we won't play Wright State, Ohio State won't play Dayton, Xavier or UC, Butler won't play us, we won't play at Ohio U is all hogwash. This type of attitude also cost money that could be made.
Really, really hard to see UD/OU or UD/WSU as being rivalries. Have no problem with who will not play who. Get the best OOC schedule we can get and play ball. Not playing UC or X doesn't seem to be having any negative effects. Older fans would identify UC as being more of a rivalry game than X. Give credit to the Muskies, they have a successful program. However we have done rather well since the UD/X games stopped. Life goes on, things change, X does not need us and we do not need X. Going for our fourth Dance in a row, not too shabby.
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Not playing Xavier has been the best thing to happen to UD basketball in the last 30 years. There are no coincidences.
In my opinion, Dayton's success or lackthereof is not and has never been tied to that of another program.

If you are suggesting that not playing Xavier is the reason Dayton is where they are, then I think that's crazy.

Archie Miller was the best thing to happen to UD basketball in the last 30 years.

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I believe the inferiority complex Dayton had with the school down south in everything they did on the basketball floor by being in the same conference and being forced to acknowledge the yearly measuring stick did untold damage to UD's posture, self-esteem, focus, and -- ultimately -- performance on the court. The sample size is small, but Archie has had no better success against Xavier than other UD coaches before him. Archie has had the ball and chain of constant comparison around this program lifted off his shoulders because of conference re-alignment. To say that has had nothing to do with our success -- in my opinion -- is like saying Lebron James' diet has nothing to do with his success as a basketball player because he's 6-8/260. It's all intertwined.

It's not the only reason. But its a big one. We lost focus on ourselves and lived our lives trying to be something we weren't. Rather than become the best UD program ever, we were more concerned about being better than Xavier -- regardless of everything else.

I dont think the series W/Ls would change much if the series were resumed. Xavier would probably continue to win the same percentage of them they became accustomed to. They are still recruiting in a pool with larger fish as they did when they were in the A10. But I think it would be a distraction for Dayton by once again spending too much time worrying about being better than Xavier than being better than the other 30 teams on the schedule.
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I believe the inferiority complex Dayton had with the school down south in everything they did on the basketball floor by being in the same conference and being forced to acknowledge the yearly measuring stick did untold damage to UD's posture, self-esteem, focus, and -- ultimately -- performance on the court. The sample size is small, but Archie has had no better success against Xavier than other UD coaches before him. Archie has had the ball and chain of constant comparison around this program lifted off his shoulders because of conference re-alignment. To say that has had nothing to do with our success -- in my opinion -- is like saying Lebron James' diet has nothing to do with his success as a basketball player because he's 6-8/260. It's all intertwined.

It's not the only reason. But its a big one. We lost focus on ourselves and lived our lives trying to be something we weren't. Rather than become the best UD program ever, we were more concerned about being better than Xavier -- regardless of everything else.

I dont think the series W/Ls would change much if the series were resumed. Xavier would probably continue to win the same percentage of them they became accustomed to. They are still recruiting in a pool with larger fish as they did when they were in the A10. But I think it would be a distraction for Dayton by once again spending too much time worrying about being better than Xavier than being better than the other 30 teams on the schedule.
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Is there anyway way we can change the title of this thread back to big east. We sound desperate...."act as if", that's all I have to say, thank you, drive through, come again
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I suppose that the BE league office may be directing BE teams to not play A10 teams, so I suppose that X may not be to blame.

Nevertheless, I remain very disappointed that a rivalry, that existed for such a long time, appears to have permanently bit the dust, unless there is another round of expansion or realignment.
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Those who argue that we need to play Xavier or that we need to be in the New Big East are argueing with results. We don't need either and we should not even be trying to associate with them in any way shape or form.
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I believe the inferiority complex Dayton had with the school down south in everything they did on the basketball floor by being in the same conference and being forced to acknowledge the yearly measuring stick did untold damage to UD's posture, self-esteem, focus, and -- ultimately -- performance on the court. The sample size is small, but Archie has had no better success against Xavier than other UD coaches before him. Archie has had the ball and chain of constant comparison around this program lifted off his shoulders because of conference re-alignment. To say that has had nothing to do with our success -- in my opinion -- is like saying Lebron James' diet has nothing to do with his success as a basketball player because he's 6-8/260. It's all intertwined.

It's not the only reason. But its a big one. We lost focus on ourselves and lived our lives trying to be something we weren't. Rather than become the best UD program ever, we were more concerned about being better than Xavier -- regardless of everything else.

I dont think the series W/Ls would change much if the series were resumed. Xavier would probably continue to win the same percentage of them they became accustomed to. They are still recruiting in a pool with larger fish as they did when they were in the A10. But I think it would be a distraction for Dayton by once again spending too much time worrying about being better than Xavier than being better than the other 30 teams on the schedule.
I don't totally disagree, but I disagree. Remember when tOSU used to get beat like a rented mule by Michigan in football? 13 years under John Cooper where they just got schooled nearly every year. And yet they recovered to win 2 national championships. How is that possible under your line of thinking? Weren't they too focused on Michigan to figure out how to be the best team they could be?

My hypothesis: we just weren't that good. My lord, we sent 1 person to the NBA in 20 years and he had to go to Europe just to catch on as a bench player. It takes time to rebuild when all the cards are stacked against you.

I just absolutely HATE the low expectations around here. The people who say don't join the NBE because we'll be a bottom dweller, then turn around and hope for Sweet 16's. I don't want to be "that quaint little program from Ohio." The only difference between UD and _avier is Jim O'Brian. If he had not destroyed the program and instead we had hired a great coach like Huggins (even if he's a horrible person), we would be in the NBE right now. And winning.

We have an inferiority complex because we've been digging our way out of a hole for 25 years. We're only JUST NOW able to breathe. 4 straight years of NCAA tournament appearances is not our birth right, but it's also not something we should think of as the pinnacle of UD success that will cycle down to once a decade again sometime later.
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I disagree, they are dodging the game. Playing a non-Wichita State MVC school on the road?

And they said at the time of the NBE formation that they wanted the rivalry to continue. They do not want the rivalry to ever continue.

UD will be fine without them, but X did lie about wanting the rivalry to continue.
Since 2000 they have a pretty identical NCAA resume as us. We have the edge of an E8 to there Sweet 16. I would take a home and home starting on the road with UNI in a heart beat. They have a packed arena most nights and would be decent RPI win most years. And you must of forgot just 2 seasons ago they were 31-4 and a top 10-15 team in the county. UNC played there last year and lost. They also beat Iowa St. at Iowa St, which not many teams can do. I don't have a problem with X playing there like you do. I wish they were on our schedule.

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I believe the inferiority complex Dayton had with the school down south in everything they did on the basketball floor by being in the same conference and being forced to acknowledge the yearly measuring stick did untold damage to UD's posture, self-esteem, focus, and -- ultimately -- performance on the court. The sample size is small, but Archie has had no better success against Xavier than other UD coaches before him. Archie has had the ball and chain of constant comparison around this program lifted off his shoulders because of conference re-alignment. To say that has had nothing to do with our success -- in my opinion -- is like saying Lebron James' diet has nothing to do with his success as a basketball player because he's 6-8/260. It's all intertwined.

It's not the only reason. But its a big one. We lost focus on ourselves and lived our lives trying to be something we weren't. Rather than become the best UD program ever, we were more concerned about being better than Xavier -- regardless of everything else.

I dont think the series W/Ls would change much if the series were resumed. Xavier would probably continue to win the same percentage of them they became accustomed to. They are still recruiting in a pool with larger fish as they did when they were in the A10. But I think it would be a distraction for Dayton by once again spending too much time worrying about being better than Xavier than being better than the other 30 teams on the schedule.

Whose focus and whose inferiority complex. The coach? The Players? All the Fans? Some of the Fans? Another question Worrying about Xavier rather than being better than the other 30 teams on the schedule and gain the same set of answers.

The coach, I do not see it Archie has played Xavier only once in his time as coach and I did not see his lack of focus for the other games he coached. My take is that all the Dayton coaches have coached based on their coaching philosophies not as some reaction to Xavier. BG would coach the same way regardless of the opponent and regardless of whether he was coaching UD or Georgia Tech. I do not see Blackburn, Donoher, OBrien, OP, BG or AM putting Xavier on some sort of pedestal to emulate. Maybe for OP and AM it would be the ACC and for BG it would be MSU. For OBrien perhaps it would be Rick Petino and for Donoher it would be Blackburn. I have not noticed any Dayton coach being consumed with worry about beating Xavier.

Perhaps the answer is the players. But I have not seen many players come to UD because they wanted to beat Xavier and play like Xavier. My guess is that most such players if they were any good they would have gone to Xavier. The Players UD has recruited over the years are ones that fit the coach's coaching philosophy and he was able to sign on to his program not because his was an anti Xavier program.

All the fans? Well I am a fan and I have not now and have never had an inferiority complex regarding Xavier. Perhaps this is because while I was attending UD and the games, Xavier was just cannon fodder.

Some of the Fans is my guess for the correct answer. But some of the fans whether they feel inferior or not have no effect on the outcome of the games played against Xavier.

The presumption that because some of the fans have a Xavier fixation is why UD will always be a loser to Xavier is ridiculous. Dayton will beat Xavier when the UD coach and players are better than the Xavier coach and players.
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The coach, I do not see it Archie has played Xavier only once in his time as coach
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Archie vs. X happened 6 times.

Two times Archie played at X,

1. The game went into OT, resulting in a very close loss.

2. Matt Derenbecker had a game-tieing? 3 pointer rim out at the buzzer(I think). The game almost went into OT again I think. And that game involved Devin Oliver getting shoved in the back and falling to the floor on a ft rebound near the end, there should have been a foul called on the play. That non-call was very big IMO.

Both times, the game was very close.


Both games in Dayton were won by UD by double digit margins.


A 1 point loss in the A10 tourney, I do not remember that game.

The final game was in Florida.


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I will check for a link, but Coach Mack was on tv on Channel 9 WCPO Sports of All Sorts with John Popovich very soon after the NBE formation, and I called in and asked Coach Mack on the air what was going to happen to the UD vs. Xavier rivalry, and he said on the air that Xavier would like to continue playing UD and would make the effort to continue the rivalry. He lied to me.
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I suppose that the BE league office may be directing BE teams to not play A10 teams, so I suppose that X may not be to blame.

Nevertheless, I remain very disappointed that a rivalry, that existed for such a long time, appears to have permanently bit the dust, unless there is another round of expansion or realignment.
You're dreaming if you think BE commish is issuing such direction...to specifically not play a certain conference.
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Since 2000 they have a pretty identical NCAA resume as us.
If the resumes are identical, then why not pick your local, longtime rival? Seems like a no-brainer. It has been 4 years now including this coming season, this rivalry is permanently dead.
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If the resumes are identical, then why not pick your local, longtime rival? Seems like a no-brainer. It has been 4 years now including this coming season, this rivalry is permanently dead.
Agreed. I would LOVE to see Miami, OU, Akron, Toledo, and / or WSU become consistently competitive programs, and if they did we should absolutely schedule them. They don't have to be world beaters just competitive.
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Archie vs. X happened 6 times.

Two times Archie played at X,

1. The game went into OT, resulting in a very close loss.

2. Matt Derenbecker had a game-tieing? 3 pointer rim out at the buzzer(I think). The game almost went into OT again I think. And that game involved Devin Oliver getting shoved in the back and falling to the floor on a ft rebound near the end, there should have been a foul called on the play. That non-call was very big IMO.

Both times, the game was very close.
I was wrong by a long shot.
I guess that just shows how little I care about the Xavier vs Dayton rivalry
Both games in Dayton were won by UD by double digit margins.


A 1 point loss in the A10 tourney, I do not remember that game.

The final game was in Florida.


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I guess that just shows how little I care about the Xavier vs Dayton rivalry
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If the resumes are identical, then why not pick your local, longtime rival? Seems like a no-brainer. It has been 4 years now including this coming season, this rivalry is permanently dead.
They played last year. I mean I wish I could forget it. It's still a rivalry though. To say it's permanently dead, would mean that either A) the two schools will never play ever again or B) It would be just another game in the minds of the vast majority of fans.

So it's not dead.

But it takes two to tango. Both sides have to want the game. If one side doesn't for whatever reason, then it doesn't get scheduled.

There are advantages to playing rivalry games - that is true. But there are also advantages to going on the road to play quality opponents in different parts of the country. They are just different advantages.
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What Gazoo said a few posts up is spot on. Brilliant.

Here's a long term thinking reason to want to advance UD's affiliation (BE or some other upgrade): the future of D1 college basketball. I don't know what will happen to the big football schools over the next ten years, and how that will affect basketball, but I do know this: the closer you are to the top, the easier it is to stay there. If the big state schools (like it or not, they're the ones driving the ratings/money) decide to take their ball and go home from the NCAA basketball tournament, they may or may not take some non football schools with them. Where do you want to be If that happens?

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And they said at the time of the NBE formation that they wanted the rivalry to continue. They do not want the rivalry to ever continue.
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I will check for a link, but Coach Mack was on tv on Channel 9 WCPO Sports of All Sorts with John Popovich very soon after the NBE formation, and I called in and asked Coach Mack on the air what was going to happen to the UD vs. Xavier rivalry, and he said on the air that Xavier would like to continue playing UD and would make the effort to continue the rivalry. He lied to me.
I saw Mack & assistant Mike Pegues at a hotel in Philly last summer & spoke with Pegues for awhile. I asked him when they were going to play Dayton again; he said "hopefully never."
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Agreed. I would LOVE to see Miami, OU, Akron, Toledo, and / or WSU become consistently competitive programs, and if they did we should absolutely schedule them. They don't have to be world beaters just competitive.
I think OU is definitely a "consistently competitive program." Average RPI since 2005 is around 113. They've won 4 conference titles during that span (3 tournament and 1 regular season). That also includes 3 NCAA appearances, one of which ended in the Sweet 16.

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I think OU is definitely a "consistently competitive program." Average RPI since 2005 is around 113. They've won 4 conference titles during that span (3 tournament and 1 regular season). That also includes 3 NCAA appearances, one of which ended in the Sweet 16.
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I saw Mack & assistant Mike Pegues at a hotel in Philly last summer & spoke with Pegues for awhile. I asked him when they were going to play Dayton again; he said "hopefully never."
That makes it conclusive IMO, they are definitely dodging UD. Everything is a turf war nowadays, and IMO, that is a shame.
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It s simple. If x were to play ud, it would be one of ud's most highly rated opponents most if not every year. Not so for X. Also if you were Mac would you want to ever return to ud arena after the way fans created Chris?
Trolling still in midseason form. Shouldn't you be following your guys stealing cellphones and beating up water fountains?

On a side note: You always troll message boards of programs who lost a current player in the last few weeks?

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It s simple. If x were to play ud, it would be one of ud's most highly rated opponents most if not every year. Not so for X. Also if you were Mac would you want to ever return to ud arena after the way fans created Chris?
Our fans created Chris???
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It s simple. If x were to play ud, it would be one of ud's most highly rated opponents most if not every year. Not so for X.
How many of x's OOC games last year were against teams with higher RPIs than UD?

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Also if you were Mac would you want to ever return to ud arena after the way fans created Chris?
Don't all good rivalries have a certain amount of genuine dislike on both sides though?
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It s simple. If x were to play ud, it would be one of ud's most highly rated opponents most if not every year. Not so for X. Also if you were Mac would you want to ever return to ud arena after the way fans created Chris?
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Our fans created Chris???
Based upon the numerous spelling and capitalization errors in dcfan's post I will attempt to make sense out of what I think he was trying to type below. I think he was either hungover, still drunk, or typing on a cell phone and autocorrect didn't help him much when he wrote this:

It's simple. If X were to play UD, it would be one of UD's highest rated opponents most if not every year. Not so for X. Also if you were Mack would you ever want to return to UD arena after the way fans treated Christi Mack?
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Based upon the numerous spelling and capitalization errors in dcfan's post I will attempt to make sense out of what I think he was trying to type below. I think he was either hungover, still drunk, or typing on a cell phone and autocorrect didn't help him much when he wrote this:

It's simple. If X were to play UD, it would be one of UD's highest rated opponents most if not every year. Not so for X. Also if you were Mack would you ever want to return to UD arena after the way fans treated Christi Mack?
And Christi Mack was cheered and honored the last time she was at UD Arena for her induction into the UD HOF.
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Based upon the numerous spelling and capitalization errors in dcfan's post I will attempt to make sense out of what I think he was trying to type below. I think he was either hungover, still drunk, or typing on a cell phone and autocorrect didn't help him much when he wrote this:

It's simple. If X were to play UD, it would be one of UD's highest rated opponents most if not every year. Not so for X. Also if you were Mack would you ever want to return to UD arena after the way fans treated Christi Mack?
And Christi Mack was cheered and honored the last time she was at UD Arena for her induction into the UD HOF.

Dayton had the third highest RPI of any _avier opponent last year.
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And Christi Mack was cheered and honored the last time she was at UD Arena for her induction into the UD HOF.

Dayton had the third highest RPI of any _avier opponent last year.
I'm just trying to make sense of what dcfan posted. I'm not defending him.

When she was inducted into the HOF she was treated fine, but Christi was mistreated/disrespected the last time UD and Xavier played at UD Arena. A small number of UD fans were completely out of bounds and disrespectful to a UD alum. I attended UD and knew Christi when I was at UD and I was ashamed of how she was treated that game.
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Does that include conference opponents or just non-conference?
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Does that include conference opponents or just non-conference?
Ambos. The highest was obviously Nova, second highest was Seton Hall.
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Change the name of this thread to the UD inferiority complex.
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Originally Posted by C-time View Post
Based upon the numerous spelling and capitalization errors in dcfan's post I will attempt to make sense out of what I think he was trying to type below. I think he was either hungover, still drunk, or typing on a cell phone and autocorrect didn't help him much when he wrote this:
Being an X fan, it's possible that is his best grammar and spelling, but if he is drunk or hungover I am sure it was after a half can of O'Doules. And I'm sure I spelled the beer wrong as I have never had it.
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