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Old 12-01-2019, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Lifelong Flyer Fan View Post
I think a big reason they were getting notice was Alexis Yetna. I thought I heard him mentioned in the hours of basketball I watched this week, so I looked him up. Injured,
Out for year with knee injury. He has not played in any games this year. A shame for the big man and BG.
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Old 12-02-2019, 12:23 AM
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Scores for Sunday, December 1

A-10 scores:
La Salle (4-3) 72 @ #22 Villanova (5-2) 83
Rhode Island (5-3) 81 @ West Virginia (7-0) 86
Southern Illinois (3-5) 60 @ Saint Louis (7-1) 69
George Washington (3-5) 65 @ South Carolina (5-3) 74
Maryland Eastern Shore (0-9) 45 @ Fordham (5-2) 66
Temple (6-1) 66 @ Davidson (3-5) 53
➔ Orlando Invitational
St Bonaventure (3-4) 70 @ San Diego (3-6) 61
➔ Boca Raton Beach Classic

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Omaha (5-4) 66 @ Saint Mary's (8-1) 75

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Old 12-02-2019, 10:02 PM
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Big comeback for the Bonnie’s - down 17 at one point.
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Old 12-02-2019, 10:31 PM
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Scores for Monday, December 2

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St Bonaventure (4-4) 71 @ Florida Atlantic (4-4) 64
➔ Boca Raton Beach Classic

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High Point (1-7) 70 @ North Florida (6-4) 93


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Old 12-02-2019, 11:32 PM
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Flyer OOC opponents:
Omaha (5-4) 66 @ Saint Mary's (8-1) 75
Wow. St. Mary's largest lead was 12. Dayton beat them by 25. I know that's not something to take to Vegas, but it's encouraging for Sunday.
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Speaking of Vegas we are the biggest favorite on the board at -27.5.
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Old 12-03-2019, 09:39 AM
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Speaking of Vegas we are the biggest favorite on the board at -27.5.
Ut oh. What was the Duke vs SFA spread? I hope AG is not under the weather.

https://www.si.com/college/duke/bask...lth-issue-sfa/
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Old 12-03-2019, 09:45 AM
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Ut oh. What was the Duke vs SFA spread? I hope AG is not under the weather.

https://www.si.com/college/duke/bask...lth-issue-sfa/
If he (Coach K) was not asked, and it appears he wasn't and he says he's fine...why even bring it up?
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Old 12-03-2019, 09:52 AM
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If he (Coach K) was not asked, and it appears he wasn't and he says he's fine...why even bring it up?
I assume your question was rhetorical. We all know the answer.
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Old 12-03-2019, 10:12 PM
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Score for Tusday, December 3

A-10 scores:
Houston Baptist (0-6) 68 @ #19 Dayton (6-1) 99
Richmond (7-1) 80 @ Hampton (3-5) 63
Jacksonville State (2-5) 60 @ George Mason (9-1) 67
Lafayette (5-2) 94 @ Saint Joe's (2-7) 71

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Charleston Southern (3-5) 68 @ Missouri (4-4) 60
North Dakota State (5-4) 60 @ Indiana State (4-4) 71
Milwaukee (5-4) 53 @ Drake (7-2) 56
Omaha (5-5) 73 @ Arkansas State (6-2) 78

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Old 12-04-2019, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Glen Clark View Post
A-10 scores:
Houston Baptist (0-6) 68 @ #19 Dayton (6-1) 99
Richmond (7-1) 80 @ Hampton (3-5) 63
Jacksonville State (2-5) 60 @ George Mason (9-1) 67
Lafayette (5-2) 71 @ Saint Joe's (2-7) 94

Flyer OOC opponents:
Charleston Southern (3-5) 68 @ Missouri (4-4) 60
North Dakota State (5-4) 60 @ Indiana State (4-4) 71
Milwaukee (5-4) 53 @ Drake (7-2) 56
Omaha (5-5) 73 @ Arkansas State (6-2) 78

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Old 12-04-2019, 10:03 AM
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Archie with a big win over FL St last night will move into the Top 25. The totally overrated Mich St was dominated by Duke, and has to drop out.
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Old 12-04-2019, 11:42 AM
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Hump Day edition:


VMI @ Duquesne (-18)
Boston U @ GW (-2.5)
South Carolina @ UMass (+1.5)
NC Central @ Georgia (-23.5)
Loyola Marymount @ #20 Colorado (-17)
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Old 12-04-2019, 01:02 PM
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Archie with a big win over FL St last night will move into the Top 25. The totally overrated Mich St was dominated by Duke, and has to drop out.
Kenpom projects the Hoosiers to finish 21-10, 11-9, imo that will probably be good enough to make the ncaat.

The cupcake part of IU's schedule is over now, every remaining game starting with FSU is a tougher game.
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Old 12-05-2019, 12:11 AM
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2-1 for the A10. Looks like UMass played South Carolina close

Loyola Marymount put a scare into Colorado before the Buffs pulled away late
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Virginia is horrible. They've played eight games and scored in the 40's in five of those games. It shows you the ridiculous love affair the pollsters have with P5 schools. It's not "what have you done for me lately"...it's "what did you do for me last year...and the year before that".
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Ohio St. just dismantled UNC last night. Was not close in the 2nd half. UNC shot 27%. Partly due to OSU's defense, and partly due to UNC not having anybody to shoot. They had multiple shots hit backboard only and no rim. It was ugly.
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Ohio St. just dismantled UNC last night. Was not close in the 2nd half. UNC shot 27%. Partly due to OSU's defense, and partly due to UNC not having anybody to shoot. They had multiple shots hit backboard only and no rim. It was ugly.
North Carolina and Virginia are two teams full of great athletes and lacking skilled basketball players.
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North Carolina and Virginia are two teams full of great athletes and lacking skilled basketball players.
I think Xavier fits that profile after watching a bit of one of their games.
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I think Xavier fits that profile after watching a bit of one of their games.
Go back a decade (to the Flight Club days), and you could have said the same thing about our Flyers (and you wouldn’t have been far off). And while those days were fun, I really like finishing better than 9-7 in league play.
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Go back a decade (to the Flight Club days), and you could have said the same thing about our Flyers (and you wouldn’t have been far off). And while those days were fun, I really like finishing better than 9-7 in league play.
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Very real chance Duquesne goes into A10 play undefeated. Granted it's against a soft schedule but that's okay
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Very real chance Duquesne goes into A10 play undefeated. Granted it's against a soft schedule but that's okay
If it boosts the NET and/or RPI of the Conference without harming our Flyers’ credentials in the process, I’m all for it.
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I'd love it everyone at the bottom of conference like Fordham, La Salle, etc took this approach
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Final St. Marys 61 Northern Illinois 49! We can beat them! Northern had it down to 4 pts at the 8:39 mark of the second half! Ran out of gas.
We can and should beat them. We will be favored. But you don't win on paper so the boys need to just keep doing what they've been doing.
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Weekend hoopaction:


Friday:
Iowa @ #4 Michigan (-7) (can they lose twice in a week?)
Providence @ Rhody (+1.5)
#10 Duke @ VTech (+7)


Saturday:
#12 Zona @ #18 Baylor (chance to move up either way)
UMass @ Harvard
Manhattan @ Fordham
LaSalle @ Drexel
Hofstra @ bona
#23 Nova @ St Joes
Delaware @ GW
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North Florida @ Austin Peay
SE Missouri St @ Drake
American @ Mason
#20 Colorado @ #2 Kansas
ODU @ VCU


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South Bama @ Richmond
Clemson @ #17 FSU
#7 UNC @ #5 Virginia (Somebody has to lose twice this week)
#17 Seton Hall @ Iowa St
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If UD can win on Sunday, they should/could move up into the top 15. Big game for sure.
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A couple of interesting things:
1. I'm shocked URI is an underdog at home against PC who has lost 3 of their last four games.
2. It will be interesting to see how Colorado does against Kansas...albeit it is a home game for Kansas but it will be nice to see how they match up with them for a comparison.
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Archie with a big win over FL St last night will move into the Top 25. The totally overrated Mich St was dominated by Duke, and has to drop out.
Someday they'll leave Bloomington for a game.
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I get having our game on Sunday against St. Mary’s as it is part of a tripleheader At a neutral site. but why in the world would you have what you already know would be a top 10 matchup in the ACC schedule for right in the middle of all of the NFL games? That belongs on big Monday on ESPN with Dickie V. Not crammed in between what will arguably be four or five amazing late afternoon NFL starts.
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Watched most of the DePaul/Texas Tech game last night to see if the undefeated Blue Demons are for real. I'm not so sure they are. This was one of those games that neither team seemed like they really wanted to win. Lotsa dumb turnovers and fouls. DePaul won in OT, but it never should have gotten to that point.

TT's Davide Moretti had two FTs to give Tech a 4 point lead and ice the game. Fox Sports throws up a slide that Moretti hadn't missed a FT since sometime last spring. He made the 1st and of course, missed the 2nd. DePaul came down and nailed an improbable three to send it into OT.
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I'd say DePaul is for real or definitely alot more real than the past 20 years. Undefeated so far, big W at Minnesota and beat a TT team that had a #13 preseason ranking...
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Real or not I don't know, but TT was without their best player and has now dropped 3 straight (granted against solid competition). Haven't seen a second of either team this season, so I can't comment how good either actually is or isn't
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URI up 9 at half over Providence. They will be right there in the A10 hunt this year.
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Virginia Tech up 3 on Duke with 14 to go.

Be nice to see Tech finish a lot higher in the ACC than the preseason predictions
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On the URI game Mark Plansky picked his Final Four and guess who was one of his picks??? So much for flying under the radar.
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URI wins by 14. On another thread someone said Ford may be the best guard we play all year on Sunday. That may be true but Fatts might not be far behind.
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Anyone watching the TCU/USC game? Brand new Dickies Arena in Fort Worth and TCU playing their first game ever there and the place is literally about 1/10 full...sad.
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Providence has lost five games, and at least four to weak teams.
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Anyone watching the TCU/USC game? Brand new Dickies Arena in Fort Worth and TCU playing their first game ever there and the place is literally about 1/10 full...sad.
Texans could care less about basketball. They love football and basketball will always be a stepchild there.
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Providence has lost five games, and at least four to weak teams.
That just means they’re “gaining steam”.
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I think this is a low key big day for the A10

La Salle Drexel
Fordham Manhattan
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Need to win these type of games
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Providence has lost five games, and at least four to weak teams.
Always kind of felt that he was a good recruiter but maybe had some coaching problems.

But, he did post 5 straight NCAAT seasons, 2014-2018.

And PC had not made the NCAAT since 2004, EC took over in 2011.

He is 1-5 in the NCAAT.

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He is 1-5 in the NCAAT.

But the committee makes him play "on the road."
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I’m watching the Colorado-Kansas game. We have two point guards that are better than Wright IV.
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KU is up 34-22 at the half. McKinley is 1-4 from the field and only has 3 points.
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KU is up 34-22 at the half. McKinley is 1-4 from the field and only has 3 points.
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Tall order to go into Allen Fieldhouse, but Colorado didn’t impress in first half. Although in fairness to Wright, he is doing a better job of staying in front of Dotson then our guards did.
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A10 Split on Saturday:

Winners:
LaSalle 71 - Drexel 63
Hofstra 45 - Bonnie 73
Davidson 70 - Northeastern 60

Losers:
UMass 55 - Harvard 89 << a spanking!
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A10 Split on Saturday:

Winners:
LaSalle 71 - Drexel 63
Hofstra 45 - Bonnie 73
Davidson 70 - Northeastern 60

Losers:
UMass 55 - Harvard 89 << a spanking!
Manhattan 54 - Fordham 53
Villanova 78 - St Joe's 66
For a team that started the season looking fairly decent, the Minutemen have really been taking it on the chin these past 2 weeks.
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Always kind of felt that he was a good recruiter but maybe had some coaching problems.

But, he did post 5 straight NCAAT seasons, 2014-2018.

And PC had not made the NCAAT since 2004, EC took over in 2011.

He is 1-5 in the NCAAT.
Bingo! That is the local knock on him, he has certainly recruited some high level talent but has yet to really make any noise with said talent.
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Duquesne defeated Columbia tonight 90-54 to run their record to 8-0. They have had an easy schedule so far and maybe will run the table in the non con because they have an easy schedule remaining!

They have remaining games with Radford, Austin Peay, UAB and Marshall and are favored in all four games! Probably will go 12-0 then lose their first 2 A-10 game to St. Louis and Davidson!

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Duquesne defeated Columbia tonight 90-54 to run their record to 8-0. They have had an easy schedule so far and maybe will run the table in the non con because they have an easy schedule remaining!

They have remaining games with Radford, Austin Peay, UAB and Marshall and are favored in all four games! Probably will go 12-0 then lose their first 2 A-10 game to St. Louis and Davidson!

Similar to the schedules Dambrot had at Akron.
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When you are running a program that has been losing for decades, you have to do something different. It is easier to recruit kids when you win 20 instead of 14. They dont look at the schedule and judge.
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Bingo! That is the local knock on him, he has certainly recruited some high level talent but has yet to really make any noise with said talent.
I was just basing my opinion on first hand observation, I am not all that impressed with his coaching at least some of the time, but, as I am learning with AG, past performance is not necessarily indicative of the future. Some coaches do change their ways and produce better results. I am learning to allow for the possibility that some coaches do change.
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I was just basing my opinion on first hand observation, I am not all that impressed with his coaching at least some of the time, but, as I am learning with AG, past performance is not necessarily indicative of the future. Some coaches do change their ways and produce better results. I am learning to allow for the possibility that some coaches do change.
It MUST be that CAG has changed his approach because you could NEVER be wrong in your initial assessment...
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I was just basing my opinion on first hand observation, I am not all that impressed with his coaching at least some of the time, but, as I am learning with AG, past performance is not necessarily indicative of the future. Some coaches do change their ways and produce better results. I am learning to allow for the possibility that some coaches do change.
Maybe he’s just getting better players now? Maybe players that are a better fit?

Just because he’s getting different results, does that mean he’s changed?

What exactly has HE changed? Is his philosophy different? If so, can you point to any articles or quotes re: his philosophy then vs his philosophy now?

Perhaps he’s evolving? As he should be. As any good leader or pioneer should. Coach K has had paramount success for 30 years and I’m certain he’ll tell you he’s changed over the years.
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Its finals week on many campuses so a relatively quiet week.


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Fordham loses at home to “ powerhouse” Bryant getting only 25 while giving up 35 in 2nd half. Out rebounded by 11. A shame we even have to play them. Our 15 game win streak against them will continue. They are a flaming embarrassment.

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Fordham may have some competition for last place this year. St. Joe's is down 49-22 with three to go in the first half against Temple. Really missing Phil Martelli right now.
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Fordham loses at home to “ powerhouse” Bryant getting only 25 while giving up 35 in 2nd half. Out rebounded by 11. A shame we even have to play them. Our 15 game win streak against them will continue. They are a flaming embarrassment.

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Fordham really belongs in the Colonial, Patriot, or some other mid-low D-I conference in the east/northeast (since their gym was constructed with stones left over from forts of the Revolutionary War).
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I had to suffer through until St. Joe's was down 47 until I got to hear Mark Adams talk about the Flyers. I think it was worth it! The Hawks are bad, really bad.
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Fordham will never improve because the A10 conference will never, ever, let go off the NY market. Nevermind Fordham basketball has zero media attention, and zero support.

But don't worry. There is now a team worse than Fordham. It is St. Joe's.

Mark Adams is calling the Temple / St Joe's on ESPNU. St Joe's is absolutely getting hammered. 81 - 38 with 12 minutes to go 2nd half. At a timeout Mark said I would take out all 5. It is embarrassing. It is a Temple dunk drill.

They started yammering about the A10, and of course Mark started talking up UD. Mark says UD is a top 5 team, "mark it down!". Obi is player of the year. Always good to hear Mark. Even though he has to call this horrible game.
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Another No. 1 bites the dust: Texas Tech takes down Louisville 70-57
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#4 Maryland also loses tonight. Flyers take care of business the next three games and they may get a Top Ten ranking for Christmas. Wild.
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Good chance Kansas is number one next week.
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Its finals week on many campuses so a relatively quiet week.

Really? Were you in front of a TV tonight?
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Man this UConn / IU game is unwatchable - 15 total 2nd half points at the under 8.

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After tonights games Duquesne at 8-0 is one of only five teams that are still undefeated!

The other four are Ohio St., Auburn, Liberty and San Diego St.

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After tonights games Duquesne at 8-0 is one of only five teams that are still undefeated!

The other four are Ohio St., Auburn, Liberty and San Diego St.
Duquesne should be ashamed of their non-con schedule. And the A10 should be ashamed of Duquesne's non-con schedule.
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Duquesne should be ashamed of their non-con schedule. And the A10 should be ashamed of Duquesne's non-con schedule.
Why? It is better for us if the bottom of the A10 schedules like this so they don't have any bad losses. Let the schools at the top of the league go out and get wins from the P5. This is good news for us and the top of the league.
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Fordham may have some competition for last place this year. St. Joe's is down 49-22 with three to go in the first half against Temple. Really missing Phil Martelli right now.
And ironically Phil Martelli's son is on the Bryant coaching staff. And how did St. Joe's beat UConn at UConn this year (although there were only about 3,000 people at the game so it wasn't a hostile environment).
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It MUST be that CAG has changed his approach because you could NEVER be wrong in your initial assessment...
Go check out kenpom.com, there has been almost a 180 degree flip in his offensive and defensive numbers at UD vs. Alabama...I do admit that I did not at all see that coming, so yes, I got that completely wrong...had he stuck with the approach he used at Alabama, I do not think we would be in the position we are in now...myself and others noted the change in his numbers in his first year, so I should have shown more patience to see if the new approach would work. Based upon first hand observation and his track record at Alabama, I absolutely hated this hire, so I was not willing to concede the possibility that he would make the major changes he needed to make in order to be successful.

If you do not believe me, then that is your right. However, I would like for you to explain to me then though why his numbers have undergone such a radical shift at UD vs. Alabama. At Alabama, he was a defensive coach, at UD he has become an offensive coach. Why didn't he stick with the approach he used at Alabama? He is very clearly using a completely different approach at UD.

So, yes, I give AG much credit for being willing to be flexible and open-minded and completely change his approach here at UD. Many coaches are stubborn and simply refuse to make major adjustments.


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Go check out kenpom.com, there has been almost a 180 degree flip in his offensive and defensive numbers at UD vs. Alabama...I do admit that I did not at all see that coming, so yes, I got that completely wrong...had he stuck with the approach he used at Alabama, I do not think we would be in the position we are in now...myself and others noted the change in his numbers in his first year, so I should have shown more patience to see if the new approach would work. Based upon first hand observation and his track record at Alabama, I absolutely hated this hire, so I was not willing to concede the possibility that he would make the major changes he needed to make in order to be successful.

If you do not believe me, then that is your right. However, I would like for you to explain to me then though why his numbers have undergone such a radical shift at UD vs. Alabama. At Alabama, he was a defensive coach, at UD he has become an offensive coach. Why didn't he stick with the approach he used at Alabama? He is very clearly using a completely different approach at UD.

So, yes, I give AG much credit for being willing to be flexible and open-minded and completely change his approach here at UD. Many coaches are stubborn and simply refuse to make major adjustments.


113 Alabama 6 year average adjusted offensive efficiency rating
40 Alabama 6 year average adjusted defensive efficiency rating

52 Dayton 3 year average adjusted offensive efficiency rating
137 Dayton 3 year average adjusted defensive efficiency rating

IMO you are both giving the "numbers" too much importance as to whether or not it was a good hire AND giving the coach too much credit/blame for the numbers instead of the players.

Take Obi Toppin off the roster, do the numbers change? Is Grant any better or worse of a coach? Grant isn't suddenly a worse coach, but I bet the numbers get worse.

Substitute Jalen Crutcher for London Warren the last 3 years. I bet both the offensive and defensive numbers would shift dramatically. Wouldn't change how good or bad a coach Grant was however.

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Go check out kenpom.com, there has been almost a 180 degree flip in his offensive and defensive numbers at UD vs. Alabama...I do admit that I did not at all see that coming, so yes, I got that completely wrong...had he stuck with the approach he used at Alabama, I do not think we would be in the position we are in now...myself and others noted the change in his numbers in his first year, so I should have shown more patience to see if the new approach would work. Based upon first hand observation and his track record at Alabama, I absolutely hated this hire, so I was not willing to concede the possibility that he would make the major changes he needed to make in order to be successful.

If you do not believe me, then that is your right. However, I would like for you to explain to me then though why his numbers have undergone such a radical shift at UD vs. Alabama. At Alabama, he was a defensive coach, at UD he has become an offensive coach. Why didn't he stick with the approach he used at Alabama? He is very clearly using a completely different approach at UD.

So, yes, I give AG much credit for being willing to be flexible and open-minded and completely change his approach here at UD. Many coaches are stubborn and simply refuse to make major adjustments.


113 Alabama 6 year average adjusted offensive efficiency rating
40 Alabama 6 year average adjusted defensive efficiency rating

52 Dayton 3 year average adjusted offensive efficiency rating
137 Dayton 3 year average adjusted defensive efficiency rating
You keep pointing to the results being different. No one cares. The question for the hyper-analyst is this: what is he DOING differently?

"Guys, remember last year when I said defense doesn't matter? I take that back. We're going to go ahead and play some defense this year."

Obviously not. So, what, exactly, is he doing that different from when he was at Alabama, and WHY? Maybe this was him all along at Alabama but given the small sample size he just never got the key players in his short few years.
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: what is he DOING differently?

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Recruiting coachable team players. It helped he inherited two from the previous coach as well.
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And ironically Phil Martelli's son is on the Bryant coaching staff. And how did St. Joe's beat UConn at UConn this year (although there were only about 3,000 people at the game so it wasn't a hostile environment).
I Don't care who St Joes loses to or by how much, our guys better be ready when they play there. Archie didn't win at St Joes, I don't believe BG did either. UD usually plays like crap at St. Joes
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Go check out kenpom.com, there has been almost a 180 degree flip in his offensive and defensive numbers at UD vs. Alabama...I do admit that I did not at all see that coming, so yes, I got that completely wrong...had he stuck with the approach he used at Alabama, I do not think we would be in the position we are in now...myself and others noted the change in his numbers in his first year, so I should have shown more patience to see if the new approach would work. Based upon first hand observation and his track record at Alabama, I absolutely hated this hire, so I was not willing to concede the possibility that he would make the major changes he needed to make in order to be successful.

If you do not believe me, then that is your right. However, I would like for you to explain to me then though why his numbers have undergone such a radical shift at UD vs. Alabama. At Alabama, he was a defensive coach, at UD he has become an offensive coach. Why didn't he stick with the approach he used at Alabama? He is very clearly using a completely different approach at UD.

So, yes, I give AG much credit for being willing to be flexible and open-minded and completely change his approach here at UD. Many coaches are stubborn and simply refuse to make major adjustments.


113 Alabama 6 year average adjusted offensive efficiency rating
40 Alabama 6 year average adjusted defensive efficiency rating

52 Dayton 3 year average adjusted offensive efficiency rating
137 Dayton 3 year average adjusted defensive efficiency rating

Most of that has to do with the players you have.
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Originally Posted by OCFlyer85 View Post
I Don't care who St Joes loses to or by how much, our guys better be ready when they play there. Archie didn't win at St Joes, I don't believe BG did either. UD usually plays like crap at St. Joes
I was looking at this recently...

2019-20 Conference Game #1 - at La Salle - last victory by UD - February 2011
2019-20 Conference Game #2 - at Saint Josephs - last victory by UD - January 2000

I hope we can get both of those monkeys off our backs.

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Originally Posted by Gazoo View Post
You keep pointing to the results being different. No one cares. The question for the hyper-analyst is this: what is he DOING differently?

"Guys, remember last year when I said defense doesn't matter? I take that back. We're going to go ahead and play some defense this year."

Obviously not. So, what, exactly, is he doing that different from when he was at Alabama, and WHY? Maybe this was him all along at Alabama but given the small sample size he just never got the key players in his short few years.
He had a top 10 defense at Alabama twice, he has never been better than #71 in defense while at UD. Even by his 2nd year at Alabama, he already had a top 10 defense. He had another top 10 defense in year 3 at Alabama.

On average, his Alabama defenses were much better than any of his UD defenses, except for this year at UD, #84 the worst of his defenses at Alabama vs. #71 at UD.

His offense at Alabama was never better than #53, which was his last year at Alabama, we are #3 right now, we were #43 last year, so even in his 2nd year at UD, he already had a better offense than he ever had at Alabama. His 2nd best offense at Alabama was #88 more than twice as bad as at UD last year, every other one of his Alabama offenses was #115 or worse.

IMO, those sort of big statistical swings do not happen by accident/chance, there has been a very deliberate change of philosophy IMO. I am not seeing any other explanation.

Gottfried was an offensive coach at Alabama, but as soon as Grant took over, the Alabama defense made a 40 point improvement. By year 2, the Grant Alabama offense was worse than any of the Gottfried Alabama offenses, and the Grant Alabama defense was better than any of the Gottfried Alabama defenses.

In Grant's final 2 years at Alabama though, I see a shift where the offense improved significantly and the defense significantly declined, the first time that had happened at Alabama during Grant's tenure, so maybe he was trying to make some overall changes and just ran out of time.

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Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
So, yes, I give AG much credit for being willing to be flexible and open-minded and completely change his approach here at UD. Many coaches are stubborn and simply refuse to make major adjustments.


113 Alabama 6 year average adjusted offensive efficiency rating
40 Alabama 6 year average adjusted defensive efficiency rating

52 Dayton 3 year average adjusted offensive efficiency rating
137 Dayton 3 year average adjusted defensive efficiency rating
Funny how you left out VCU numbers.

72 - VCU - 3 year average for offensive efficiency.
42 - VCU - 3 year average for Defensive efficiency.

I think it is time for anyone that said AG was a bad hire to just say they were F'g Wrong and we can all move on. For the record - I wanted AG hired when they hired BG - and have been happy since day 1 with the AG hire. But again anyone anti AG - YOU WERE WRONG!!!! Trying to defend it with skewed stats makes you look silly/petty/childish/foolish/like an X fan/stupid - admit you were wrong and move on. Neil - Kudos on the great hire.
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I was looking at this recently...

2019-20 Conference Game #1 - at La Salle - last victory by UD - February 2011
2019-20 Conference Game #2 - at Saint Josephs - last victory by UD - January 2000

I hope we can get both of those monkeys off our backs.

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As much as I know those stats aren’t “fake news”, they’re almost unfathomable! Especially the St. Joe’s drought. That means the last time we won at Hawk Hill was when:
-Bill Clinton was President (and no one knew what a “hanging chad” was);
-There were 2 very tall buildings in southern Manhattan;
-The Schuster Center had not yet been built;
-Ken Griffey Jr. was a player for the Seattle Mariners;
-The Reds still played in Riverfront Stadium/Cinergy Field;

And, closer to home;
-Oliver Purnell was our coach;
-Edwin Young and Mark Ashman were our Senior leaders;
-Brooks Hall was our prize Freshman; and
-The Arena was 3 years into its first Seat License Program.

Did that trip down memory lane “age” anyone?
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IMO, those sort of big statistical swings do not happen by accident/chance, there has been a very deliberate change of philosophy IMO. I am not seeing any other explanation.

Oh good grief. Results on offense and defense change annually depending on personnel and execution. It’s not like Grant suddenly shifted to to the Princeton offense or a match-up zone on defense. He’s the same coach but getting better results because he — not someone else — recruited the athletes capable of carrying out his schemes. As has been said many times, it’s tough to coach a team to desired results if you don’t have good players.

Opinions aren’t facts. So let me quote you more accurately and in simpler terms.

UD2: “I. Was. Wrong.”

And in all likelihood, so are your ridiculously negative predictions of a year ago.

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And for the record, I’ve been wrong a number of times on issues pertaining to Dayton basketball. It happens. We’re human. You, too.
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For instance, I was wrong yesterday when I said it was a "quiet" night of hoops, I should have said lightly scheduled nights, because a lot of upsets occurred.


But I digress.... Humpdayhoops.


Another lightly scheduled night, for a Wednesday which is usually the busiest mid week day for games...perhaps we'll see some upsets again propelling UD towards a top 10 ranking by the new year:


Yale @ UMass (+4.5) home dog...say it ain't so minutemen.
Omaha (+19.5) @ Zona....that would be an awesome upset for UD.

Chattanooga (+12) @ VTech
#5 Michigan (+1.5) @ Illinois Illinois almost got the terps a week ago.
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Who the heck is Bryant? I had to google that one.
I don't know anything about their men's team but their women's team has some size.
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