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Old 08-01-2017, 12:18 PM
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Sam Miller arrested & charged with assault

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Dayton Flyers forward Sam Miller faces assault charge

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Old 08-01-2017, 12:20 PM
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Crazy...my friend at work just pointed out his mugshot on WHIO.com under Greene County. He looks rough.
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C'mon, Sam! Have to be smarter than that. Let's wait for the full story, but this does not look good.
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Anybody want to change their starting lineup for the first game?
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Old 08-01-2017, 12:34 PM
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He certainly brings toughness to this team.....
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Old 08-01-2017, 12:47 PM
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Soft Sam was never very tough on the court.
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I think most of us figured something like this was a comin'. Unfortunately this is just how it is now days with some college athletes and general students. Sadly, we know this won't be the last time something like this pops up.
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Let's wait for the full story, but this does not look good.
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Obviously I'm holding my breath on this one. Could be total BS. At least it seems like a minor charge and doesn't have a stigma of a domestic situation or a sexual assault. Definitely changing my starting lineup prediction.
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Have to be really dumb to get in any fight.
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If he really did this kick him off the team. We don't need upperclassmen like that around all our incoming freshman. Addition by subtraction. He can join the likes of Robinson and Scott on wasting a great opportunity.
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If he really did this kick him off the team. We don't need upperclassmen like that around all our incoming freshman. Addition by subtraction. He can join the likes of Robinson and Scott on wasting a great opportunity.
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Oh please, like none of your friends ever got a Underage while in college. The fight happened while he was in jail. Who knows the situation there, but from what I know about holding cells, they can get some pretty rough people in there. Maybe he was just defending himself. Wait until the details come out before you put him with Robinson and Scott. What Matt Kavanaugh did was way worst and the University welcomed him back and he was an upperclassmen as well.

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John Bedell‏Verified account @JBedellWHIO 28m28 minutes ago
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New incident report we obtained shows Miller was not arrested for assault. Greene Co. SO says the assault happened during fight at the jail.

John Bedell‏Verified account @JBedellWHIO 26m26 minutes ago
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Greene Co. SO incident report: Miller was arrested by Beavercreek PD for "disorderly conduct by intox" and underage drinking ...

John Bedell‏Verified account @JBedellWHIO 23m23 minutes ago
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Then, corrections officers say in their incident report Miller got into a fight with an OVI suspect in a holding cell. More details to come.

John Bedell‏Verified account @JBedellWHIO 13m13 minutes ago
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Greene Co SO incident report: Miller urinated on holding cell floor and corrections officers cleaned, disinfected it ...

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Other inmate didn't want 2 go in after that, but did. Then: GCSO: Miller walks over 2 same inmate, "slaps" him, fight starts in holding cell

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Well at least reading this is more entertaining than the pathetic countdowns of Swampies greatest hits!
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He looks rough.
Yeah, I agree, from what is visible, his mugshot features about 5 areas of concern: forehead, left side of lower lip, nose, and maybe both cheeks. I hope that he is ok and has no additional injuries.
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We don't know how AG is going to react. Has Sam Miller been in trouble before? I don't know, there hasn't been anything on the boards.
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I don't think AG is going to have much patience with this and he shouldn't! !!!
I agree, AG own his own or by force, may use this as an example to send a message to the rest of the team. I think the inciting incident which lead to the original charge will play a huge role in what discipline is given. When it all comes out was the police called because he was asked to leave a house or establishment and became combative? Was he unruly once the police arrived. Time will tell.
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Which ever way this goes it will set a tone for how AG does business even if he gets direction from higher up.
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John Bedell‏Verified account @JBedellWHIO 28m28 minutes ago
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New incident report we obtained shows Miller was not arrested for assault. Greene Co. SO says the assault happened during fight at the jail.

John Bedell‏Verified account @JBedellWHIO 26m26 minutes ago
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Greene Co. SO incident report: Miller was arrested by Beavercreek PD for "disorderly conduct by intox" and underage drinking ...

John Bedell‏Verified account @JBedellWHIO 23m23 minutes ago
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Then, corrections officers say in their incident report Miller got into a fight with an OVI suspect in a holding cell. More details to come.

John Bedell‏Verified account @JBedellWHIO 13m13 minutes ago
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Greene Co SO incident report: Miller urinated on holding cell floor and corrections officers cleaned, disinfected it ...

John Bedell‏Verified account @JBedellWHIO 10m10 minutes ago
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Other inmate didn't want 2 go in after that, but did. Then: GCSO: Miller walks over 2 same inmate, "slaps" him, fight starts in holding cell

What a moron
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I hope AG doesn't get his signals from higher ups. He needs to gather the facts and make a decision. Then everyone will know where the line is but on the face of it Sam's behavior is ridiculous.
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Based upon the mugshot of the guy Sam slapped it's looks like Sam got his ass beat. Guy doesn't appear to have a scratch on him.

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If that's what actually happened, buh-bye. Kids get drunk. Kids even get in fights. Kids that pi$$ on the floor of the tank while they're already in deep s**t show a total lack of respect and discipline. Go away and never come back if that's what actually happened.
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Jablonski has an updated story coming and say it gets crazier! Started at Caddy's Taphouse in Beavercreek.

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Jablonski has an updated story coming and say it gets crazier! Started at Caddy's Taphouse in Beavercreek.

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Not sure what he was actually drinking that night/morning, but some of those micro brews will have you fighting family. Let this be a message to college kids...stick with the PBR, Natty or heck even a 40 of malt liquor before guzzling a few Gamma Bombs or Truths.
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He's innocent. Remember, he can dunk. People who can dunk at UD are always innocent. This only happens at _avier and UC...look the other way LOWD fans...it's tradition.

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Of all the poor decisions he made, the worst was doing all of this in the middle of the off-season, when no one has anything else to talk about.

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If the events in the report are true, Miller best hope Caddy's security cameras were "non-functioning" during the events. If Miller is on video pushing a female bartender after she cut his drinking off he's gonna have way more issues than being kicked off the team.

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C'mon guys, who hasn't got sh!t faced, knocked glasses off a bar after being cut off, pushed a female bartender, punched a bouncer, kicked a police car, p!ssed on the floor of a holding cell and fought with another detainee?
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How was he getting served at Caddy's. He have a fake ID?

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How was he getting served at Caddy's. He have a fake ID?

This is getting worse. Hopefully it is finished, as Sam should be.
Correct, perhaps that is why she didn't want to pursue charges in an attempt to save her arse.
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C'mon guys, who hasn't got sh!t faced, knocked glasses off a bar after being cut off, pushed a female bartender, punched a bouncer, kicked a police car, p!ssed on the floor of a holding cell and fought with another detainee?
Ray Harper thinks this is a pretty good synopsis of Sam's night, but would probably change the last part to " and slapped another detainee who then kicked his ass."
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I have been to Caddy's, I watched the Dayton vs. Monmouth game there, from the exempt tournament in Orlando, 2 years ago. They had good pizza and karaoke.
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In case any of you youngsters out there are reading this, let me give you some advice from a friend of mine who was a bouncer for many years.

A bouncer (in the article, "security officer") knows how to handle himself. If you're sober you have very little chance. If you're so drunk you can barely talk, a bouncer WILL drop you like a sack of potatoes and the only sound you will hear is the satisfying "smack" of your face against the concrete.

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What actually happened at the bar... get rid of his A**
Wow. What a story! Not a simple "got in a fight while drunk" story.

Are bouncers called "security officers" now or is the "security officer" that brought him to the ground something different?

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Looks like minutes will be available in the front court now - with Miller probably gone, and Antetokounmpo's health being a big question mark.

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He's innocent. Remember, he can dunk. People who can dunk at UD are always innocent. This only happens at _avier and UC...look the other way LOWD fans...it's tradition.

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Video of the fight... Watkins 1 Miller 0... Whoa
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Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 View Post
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Video of the fight... Watkins 1 Miller 0... Whoa
If there was ever any question as to why Sam doesn't like playing on the low post, this video should clear things up.

He's royally lucky Ray Rice wasn't in that cell with him.


OHHH, and here's a video of Sam working out before heading to Caddy's. It, too, explains a lot.

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I'm mad they cut out the part of the video where Rollo was giving Sam the 10 count!
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I'm mad they cut out the part of the video where Rollo was giving Sam the 10 count!
Found it...but it was a 100 count!

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Was not much of a thrilla with Milla.
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Sam is lucky Watkins had mercy on him and went to the door to get the officers attention once he got knocked down. Watkins could have kept pounding on him for a while if he really wanted to.
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Based upon the mugshot of the guy Sam slapped it's looks like Sam got his ass beat. Guy doesn't appear to have a scratch on him.

https://twitter.com/JBedellWHIO/stat...40976341557250
Do we know if that picture was after the incident.
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Video of the fight... Watkins 1 Miller 0... Whoa
Could this make ESPN SportsCenter tonite? Sam better hope it's a busy and exciting evening in baseball or his lowlight might make the highlights.
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Not sure what he was actually drinking that night/morning, but some of those micro brews will have you fighting family. Let this be a message to college kids...stick with the PBR, Natty or heck even a 40 of malt liquor before guzzling a few Gamma Bombs or Truths.
Agree, but from multiple sources this was not like it is the first time Sam Miller has partaken in drinking an adult beverage, or case of adult beverages.

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Seriously guys...Good thing dude/Miller didn't have his night out in one of the great municipalities of Montgomery County. His early morning antics in "The County" with at least 24 other dudes in his cell waiting to be processed would have taken a much tragic turn. Once the video from Caddy's come out and go viral, good luck Mr. Miller in your short turn future endeavors.
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Pretty amazing that they released the video of the jail fight. Sam was very very drunk. I feel for his uncle and aunt. They have to be embarrassed and humiliated.
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Could this make ESPN SportsCenter tonite? Sam better hope it's a busy and exciting evening in baseball or his lowlight might make the highlights.
Not sure even with a slow sports news cycle how much national interest there is for a story about a center from "Dayton University" this time of year may be. However, Miller better hope TMZ Sports doesn't get in touch with the right person at Caddy's or another source whom has access to the video. $$$ talks and TMZ loooooves video content.
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Pretty amazing that they released the video of the jail fight.
Why are you surprised they released the video from the jail? I'm pretty sure all the news people had to do was submit a public records request for it just like they would for video from a patrol car camera or a body camera. Only reason for the jail to not release it is if there was something to cover up or if the incident was still under investigation. The only thing that surprised me was how quickly they released it.
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According to what the bouncer reported on Fox 45 Miller and several other UD Men's and Women's bballers enjoyed Caddy's College Night on the infamous night. Hopefully Miller is the only casualty of the situation

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Pretty amazing that they released the video of the jail fight. Sam was very very drunk. I feel for his uncle and aunt. They have to be embarrassed and humiliated.
I can't believe they released the video - sad. That's got to be incredibly embarrassing. Hopefully humbling.
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Needs a fake Groucho nose and a desk job in a corner to outlgrow this one. Way to go, Sam. Glad my worst azz whooping wasn't filmed, but hey I'm not above laughing at willingness to make a lifetime memento for the world to see and review..This is your typical punk white boy. Way to go, Archie! Finally something to slam Archie for.
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According to what the bouncer reported on Fox 45 Miller and several other UD Men's and Women's bballers enjoyed Caddy's College Night on the infamous night. Hopefully Miller is the only casualty of the situation
Which is perfectly fine as long as they Uber'ed out there.

But if his teammates were there it does beg the question why none of them went outside to try to get him under control once he got kicked out by the bouncers.
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If I'm not mistaken his mom is a JUDGE in DC and I think his dad is a attorney as well. If I'm wrong chalk it up to old age ". But I can't be wrong, I tell my wife that all the time.

Pushing the lady bartender- who should of stopped serving him long ago and the fellow UD male and female ball players who didn't stop him. Interesting to find out who they were.

He was stupid drunk and deserves whatever comes his way. It would be interesting as to why he did it.

I do remember my freshman year (1964) going out with my roommate to get drunk after he broke up with his girlfriend. Vodka, orange juice, and a pitcher of beer. What was the name of the bar on Wayne that had the john in the basement? Had to go down the steps backwards and hold onto the rail.

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Which is perfectly fine as long as they Uber'ed out there.

But if his teammates were there it does beg the question why none of them went outside to try to get him under control once he got kicked out by the bouncers.
Everything happens so fast sometimes maybe they were scattered around or many had already left..there are other times your friend(s) try to stop you but it's constant babysitting and you go take a leak and before you know it all chaos takes over...

Will be interesting what AG does here..I suspect he'll not get tossed off the team as he's not been in any other trouble at UD or outside, iirc.If his alcohol issue is not something he does or doesn't need/ seek help for (only Sam, close friends and maybe his teammates would know this) ,I'd guess they'll suspend him indefinitely and certainly hold off from any final decisions and let the court proceedings take over but besides running his arse off and getting many scholarship privileges taken away (if that can even be done if still on schollie ?) he'll also get suspended the first 10 plus games or so..
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Anthony Grant: Miller is a disgrace to his team. Toss his butt off the team and send him packing back to the sewer called DC. Bye-bye, Sam, you thug!
He's actually from the 5th highest medium income county in the U.S. Hardly a sewer. He definitely "fights" like he's from Arlington. Sheesh. That was embarrassing.
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Miller was just asking Watkins "What did the five fingers say to the face?" Clearly Watkins in his suspected drunkin' state could not take a joke.

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This was all a ploy by Trump to get UD Pride to stop talking about his presidency.
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The next time Sam gets arrested he needs to identify himself as a drunk female...not that doing so will prevent him/her from getting his/her *ss kicked in a holding cell, but it surely will lessen the chance.
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He's actually from the 5th highest medium income county in the U.S. Hardly a sewer. He definitely "fights" like he's from Arlington. Sheesh. That was embarrassing.
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He's actually from the 5th highest medium income county in the U.S. Hardly a sewer. He definitely "fights" like he's from Arlington. Sheesh. That was embarrassing.
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I suspect he'll not get tossed off the team as he's not been in any other trouble at UD or outside, iirc.
I agree...first time offense...everybody makes mistakes...I hope that he is not removed from the team.
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I have been a big Miller fan since UD recruited him. Grant absolutely needs to put a stake in the sand, and let Sam go. And I mean right now. The guy needs counseling for his life style, temper and alcohol before it costs him his career and life. If I were his parent, as hard as it would be, I would jerk him out of school right now, get him in counseling and working, and then back to a different school next year.
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Needs a fake Groucho nose and a desk job in a corner to outlgrow this one. Way to go, Sam. Glad my worst azz whooping wasn't filmed, but hey I'm not above laughing at willingness to make a lifetime memento for the world to see and review..This is your typical punk white boy. Way to go, Archie! Finally something to slam Archie for.
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I have been a big Miller fan since UD recruited him. Grant absolutely needs to put a stake in the sand, and let Sam go. And I mean right now. The guy needs counseling for his life style, temper and alcohol before it costs him his career and life. If I were his parent, as hard as it would be, I would jerk him out of school right now, get him in counseling and working, and then back to a different school next year.
Don't disagree...but dismissal won't be immediate. Sam has his own problems with the court system, but it also needs to flow through UD disciplinary process.
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Pushing the lady bartender- who should of stopped serving him long ago and the fellow UD male and female ball players who didn't stop him. Interesting to find out who they were.

He was stupid drunk and deserves whatever comes his way. It would be interesting as to why he did it.

I do remember my freshman year (1964) going out with my roommate to get drunk after he broke up with his girlfriend. Vodka, orange juice, and a pitcher of beer. What was the name of the bar on Wayne that had the john in the basement? Had to go down the steps backwards and hold onto the rail.

I did remember to get back to Steward Hall and sign in for the 12PM check-in although I had to ask where to sign my name as I couldn't focus my eyes.

The next day when we went to eat at Marycrest, the word of our exploits had spread, and we had a line of girls who saved their morning orange juice politely placed them on our table.

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I agree...first time offense...everybody makes mistakes...I hope that he is not removed from the team.
Let me describe a mistake. A mistake is drinking and driving. A mistake is getting drunk and mouthing off to a bartender and getting kicked out of a bar. A mistake is getting drunk and getting in a fight.

Let me describe what is not a mistake.

-A mistake is not pushing a female bartender for refusing to serve you. That is an attitude toward women. That is an attitude toward your entitlement to something.

-A mistake is not trashing the bar when you're not served. That is an attitude of petulance upon realizing your every whim will not be served.

-A mistake is not telling the cops you're going to hit someone. That is an attitude of disrespect.

-A mistake is not pi$$ing on the floor in the holding cell. That is an attitude of being above the law; untouchable.

-A mistake is not smacking a guy in the holding cell with you who is also having a bad day (for his mistake). That is a lack of self-awareness that you are in a bad situation and you are about to make it much, much worse.

Sam made a mistake, for sure. Then his mistake brought to light his poor character. And thank goodness it did, we don't need poor character individuals on the floor of UD Arena.
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One of the absolutely worst tasting alcoholic beverages I have ever put in my mouth. Of course this was about 20 years after I graduated and had to try it again. Drank plenty of it in my younger years.
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Being drunk can help you in a fight, but not when you are that drunk. When you're that drunk it is much more of a hindrance. He had no business starting any fights. I'm 5'9" 150 soaking wet and I'm 99% sure I could take him in that video.

He's gone. No chance you make it back from something like this. Comparisons to Kavanaugh and Pierre are pointless here. They were not even charged and the "evidence" in those cases was shoddy at best.

I'm thinking this goes down as a not-so-disguised blessing.
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CBS Sports is now running the story, so it has hit national news.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...-cell-at-jail/


So has ESPN: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...d-jail-assault

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The next time Sam gets arrested he needs to identify himself as a drunk female...not that doing so will prevent him/her from getting his/her *ss kicked in a holding cell, but it surely will lessen the chance.
I am not sure you what you mean by "lessen the chance of getting his *ss kicked" unless you have a chauvinist belief that women are more likely to show mercy than just haul off and kick his *ss.

My guess is he very well might look the same the next day regardless of the sex of the other occupants of the holding cell.
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Let me describe a mistake. A mistake is drinking and driving. A mistake is getting drunk and mouthing off to a bartender and getting kicked out of a bar. A mistake is getting drunk and getting in a fight.

Let me describe what is not a mistake.

-A mistake is not pushing a female bartender for refusing to serve you. That is an attitude toward women. That is an attitude toward your entitlement to something.

-A mistake is not trashing the bar when you're not served. That is an attitude of petulance upon realizing your every whim will not be served.

-A mistake is not telling the cops you're going to hit someone. That is an attitude of disrespect.

-A mistake is not pi$$ing on the floor in the holding cell. That is an attitude of being above the law; untouchable.

-A mistake is not smacking a guy in the holding cell with you who is also having a bad day (for his mistake). That is a lack of self-awareness that you are in a bad situation and you are about to make it much, much worse.

Sam made a mistake, for sure. Then his mistake brought to light his poor character. And thank goodness it did, we don't need poor character individuals on the floor of UD Arena.
That is a bunch of garbage. Getting drunk beyond able to control yourself is either a mistake or it's not. The results of that are what causes everything you described, from mouthing off, driving drunk and pushing bartender. Saying that while he was out of his head and he pushed a female bartender is an attitude toward women? Maybe, maybe not as he displayed somewhat the same attitude toward his male cellmate.

How can you say that driving drunk is a mistake and pi$$ing on the floor of cell is an attitude of being above the law? They both are breaking the law, the one you seem to defend has more dangerous consequences.

I'm going to guess that the actions you say are forgivable as mistakes are actions that you've at one time have partaken in. The others you haven't. So basically anything wrong you've done is a forgivable mistake and the ones you haven't are a display of your real personality, morals and ethics.

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I have been a big Miller fan since UD recruited him. Grant absolutely needs to put a stake in the sand, and let Sam go. And I mean right now. The guy needs counseling for his life style, temper and alcohol before it costs him his career and life. If I were his parent, as hard as it would be, I would jerk him out of school right now, get him in counseling and working, and then back to a different school next year.
Sounds like he has highly educated parents and I believe his aunt/uncle? is a professor at UD so they should "get it". Parents need to make the call and pull him out of school and get him treatment now. The world does not need another Johnny Manziel.
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Sounds like he has highly educated parents and I believe his aunt/uncle? is a professor at UD so they should "get it". Parents need to make the call and pull him out of school and get him treatment now. The world does not need another Johnny Manziel.
Very well stated. He needs to be sent packing. I was patient with this guy despite his obvious lack of fire for the game, the team, and his conditioning. Send a message; kick him out and get an honorable young player on scholarship to replace him. There are guys out there yet who would love to put on the Flyer uniform and respect it.
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Not to skip the due process of this all- but let's get serious. Sam acted like an arse at the bar, was physically handcuffed & arrested by the police. OK- I can maybe attribute that to just being blind drunk and out of control on a single occasion.

Then an hour later after going thru in-take he instigates a fight with someone not bothering him. That's where he loses me and does not get a 2nd chance. That tells me he's a bum without character. I'm shocked to hear he has family at UD- and he does this to them?

Good-bye Sam and I do wish the best for you.
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He's from DC, where Congress is located... Tommy Gola is absolutely correct, it is a sewer full or rats and vermin
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