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2017/2018 schedule

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Northwestern at home I think

Nope - That was a one-time neutral game.
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Nah, don't be sorry. Calling me an a$$hole for making that joke is completely fair.
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Hope it is home game. OKC is a tough venue.
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I see what you are insinuating there Dallas. Only thing better then a direct joke is an indirect joke.

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Clemson, Auburn, Ohio, Temple, Old Dominion, Hofstra & Indiana St in the Charleston Classic

Ohio should be the MAC favorite if Simmons returns. Old Dominion should be at the top of the standings in CUSA. Temple should bounce back & Clemson loses its best play. Auburn should be the favorite on paper but their former star recruit Mustapha Herron is thinking about transferring

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It seems like this is the least we've known about an upcoming schedule at this point in time.
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Northwestern was a one-way to get Josh,Kendall and Kyle in front of their family and friends. Outstanding decision by the UD brass.

I believe @ St. Mary's and the Charleston Classic is all thats locked in.

I wonder if Archie would throw UD a bone and schedule a home and home even though he isn't obligated too. Shaka did. Texas and VCU agreed to a home and home last week.
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Northwestern was a one-way to get Josh,Kendall and Kyle in front of their family and friends. Outstanding decision by the UD brass.

I believe @ St. Mary's and the Charleston Classic is all thats locked in.

I wonder if Archie would throw UD a bone and schedule a home and home even though he isn't obligated too. Shaka did. Texas and VCU agreed to a home and home last week.
That was in his contract like BG when he was at GT. But VCU did sign a home and home with Virginia. Tony Bennett has done a great job of playing the smaller Virginia schools. Something I wish other P5 coaches would do with in state schools.
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Northwestern was a one-way to get Josh,Kendall and Kyle in front of their family and friends. Outstanding decision by the UD brass.
I agree with the scheduling decision--classy. But it's too bad that Josh couldn't play and Kyle & Kendall had poor games in the one that we should have won---going a combined 3/15 and 7 rebounds between them--only to lose by 3. Think they would both like a do-over.
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Looks like we'll need three new home-and-homes, with two starting at home and one on the road. Will be interesting to see who we get.
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I'm sure Neil probably already has access to this, but Ken Pomeroy has a "schedule helper" spreadsheet of all 351 D-1 progams that can assist in the process: http://kenpom.com/blog/scheduling-help-is-back/
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It seems like this is the least we've known about an upcoming schedule at this point in time.
I'm guessing Dayton wasn't making a lot of progress on the schedule while they were trying to hire a head coach. But Frank Martin and Anthony are tight. So they should go ahead and get that South Carolina game scheduled.
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I'm assuming the discussions of a series w/ WSU are out the window now...

anyhoo, I'd propose something with Cincy, for those unaware, they are refurbishing their arena and will be playing their home games at NKU next year. NKU seats a little unde 10k if I recall, UC averaged a little over 10k. Given the extra distance to travel, I'm guessing they'll lose some students per game, but overall they should be near capacity next year, before returning back to the Shoemaker Center, which holds around 13k IIRC.

anyhoo, I don't know the exact arrangement, but UD should propose a home & home, starting @ UC, but play the road game at US Barn arena (or whatever they call that dump these days). UC gets the extra gate knowing that UD fans will gobble up tickets in the larger venue, UD gets a return game the following season.

Another proposal, with WSU looking all be set to leave the MVC, perhaps start a home & home w/ whomever is going to be the top dog, start at UD this year, return game there next season (Northern Iowa is my guess) which could be a very good series for both schools.

Finally, I don't know if the Illinois & Northwestern games at the Bulls Arena is an annual thing or if that was just last season, but I'd look into playing Illinois in a similar 1 game, neutral site game that UD fans could easily drive to/from and get Josh back into his home town.

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I'm guessing Dayton wasn't making a lot of progress on the schedule while they were trying to hire a head coach. But Frank Martin and Anthony are tight. So they should go ahead and get that South Carolina game scheduled.
I doubt there's ever much of any progress (at least publicly) made at this time of the year. Unless its an already announced game as either an exempt event or return game from the prior season you won't hear much about the schedule until late summer. Maybe early summer if there is an agreement on a good home & home series.
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Finally, I don't know if the Illinois & Northwestern games at the Bulls Arena is an annual thing or if that was just last season, but I'd look into playing Illinois in a similar 1 game, neutral site game that UD fans could easily drive to/from and get Josh back into his home town.
This was just a 1 time deal for Dayton and BYU. I am not even sure if NW or Illinois is doing this again next year. I know there was talk to make this an annual event, but with the BIG10 Conference schedule starting a week earlier this year, it may have been put on hold.
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I think I would die of happiness if we played a game @Colonial Life Arena. I'm already thrilled we'll be in Charleston again.
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Per Jon Rothstein, we will be starting a home and home with Auburn next year at UD.

https://www.fanragsports.com/news/au...t-season-ohio/

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Per Jon Rothstein, we will be starting a home and home with Auburn next year at UD.

https://www.fanragsports.com/news/au...t-season-ohio/
I have no idea how good Auburn is but at least it would be better than some small D1 school. While we are on the subject, why do we always seem to schedule home and homes with SEC schools? Do we have connections to SEC offices?
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I have no idea how good Auburn is but at least it would be better than some small D1 school. While we are on the subject, why do we always seem to schedule home and homes with SEC schools? Do we have connections to SEC offices?
SEC schools seem more willing to play H&H with A10 schools than the other P5 leagues.
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Per Jon Rothstein, we will be starting a home and home with Auburn next year at UD.
I found it interesting that the article stated the series would start in Ohio. Let's hope it's at UD.
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looks like we have a shot to play them twice next year since they're in the Charleston Classic

Pearl has landed a bunch of talent on paper but doesn't seem like they've put it together yet. They've got a transfer from Presbyterian becoming eligible, a JUCO & two four stars coming in plus at least one McDonald's AA there

I saw an interesting stat on Twitter that said he actually had a worse record than Tony Barbee at this point there
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I assume this means we'll be situated on the opposite side of the bracket in the Charleston tourney?
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I think in the past they seed them by strength of the team
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So Auburn is that non-bracketed game that is a scheduling tactic whose benefits I forget... maybe? Someone help me out here.
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In an 8 team, 3 game tournament, teams are allowed to schedule one additional game against a team also in that field to count as their 3rd exempt game, in addition to the 1 that counts towards the schedule maximum.

I believe this was done to maintain the benefit of playing in the preseason NIT (4 games) compared to playing in Maui, Charleston, Orlando, etc.. Its also why we sometimes get a team from the "lesser" bracket in one of those fields show up on campus as part of the event.
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In an 8 team, 3 game tournament, teams are allowed to schedule one additional game against a team also in that field to count as their 3rd exempt game, in addition to the 1 that counts towards the schedule maximum.

I believe this was done to maintain the benefit of playing in the preseason NIT (4 games) compared to playing in Maui, Charleston, Orlando, etc.. Its also why we sometimes get a team from the "lesser" bracket in one of those fields show up on campus as part of the event.
I think that's also why the ESPN events have some weaker conferences permanently slotted into some of the events like the MAAC with the Old Spice/Advocare/Orlando tourney
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Auburn and golf

Best news I have seen schedule wise in a long time.

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I found it interesting that the article stated the series would start in Ohio. Let's hope it's at UD.
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I found it interesting that the article stated the series would start in Ohio. Let's hope it's at UD.
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I have no idea how good Auburn is but at least it would be better than some small D1 school. While we are on the subject, why do we always seem to schedule home and homes with SEC schools? Do we have connections to SEC offices?
I happen to have a lot of respect for SEC schools. Yes, we have seen them a lot on our schedule the last few years (I think it began after we played Ole Miss in the NIT Final Four), but I think it's indicative of the SEC trying to bolster its non-con credibility by scheduling up. If that's the reason, I hope it helps them get into the tourney over teams who practice the American Express scheduling strategy (Don't leave home...). Whatever the case, you have to admire their willingness to come into a challenging environment, unlike some other "elite" conferences <cough, cough> Big East...ACC...
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Originally Posted by BRob2Perryman3 View Post
I wonder if Archie would throw UD a bone and schedule a home and home even though he isn't obligated too. Shaka did. Texas and VCU agreed to a home and home last week.
I'd prefer a home-and-home with Texas.
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I wonder if Archie would throw UD a bone and schedule a home and home even though he isn't obligated too. Shaka did. Texas and VCU agreed to a home and home last week.
Shake didn't throw them a bone, it was in his contract. It had to be scheduled by his 3rd year at his new school.
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Shake didn't throw them a bone, it was in his contract. It had to be scheduled by his 3rd year at his new school.
Still can't believe that wasn't in Archie's contract.
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After Considering Transfer, Mustapha Heron Will Return to Auburn http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/04/25/c...return-auburn/ … via @adamzagoria

Former Five Star guard who averaged 15.2 points and 6.1 rebounds as freshman last year

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Not UD's schedule, but Butler and St. Louis are starting a home-and-home next year. At Butler next year and in St. Louis the following year.

https://apnews.com/33df3d64affc49ec8...ith-new-series

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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer View Post
So Auburn is that non-bracketed game that is a scheduling tactic whose benefits I forget... maybe? Someone help me out here.
We can play 31 games instead of 30. Exempt tourneys give a program an option of playing four games

So we pick up an extra home game this season if we choose to play 13 OOC games now.

In theory we could play a 3rd game on the road in OOC and still have the usual amount of home OOC games
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
We can play 31 games instead of 30. Exempt tourneys give a program an option of playing four games

So we pick up an extra home game this season if we choose to play 13 OOC games now.

In theory we could play a 3rd game on the road in OOC and still have the usual amount of home OOC games
So if we go 17/14 instead of 16/15 someone on this board will go crazy.
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So Xavier can't play Dayton but can find a way to play a home and home with Northern Iowa
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So Xavier can't play Dayton but can find a way to play a home and home with Northern Iowa
I think at least part of the reason was that Archie didn't want to play X. I wonder what's AG's attitude? That would have been a good one for Larry to ask.
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I think at least part of the reason was that Archie didn't want to play X. I wonder what's AG's attitude? That would have been a good one for Larry to ask.
I don't think Archie had anything to do with the game not being played.
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So Xavier can't play Dayton but can find a way to play a home and home with Northern Iowa
I think you're getting the picture. :wink
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I know Dayton was one of the latest to announce last year due as they were forced to juggle dates into the 11th hour, but when do teams start announcing them? We always pick up news when that starts happening.
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Seemed like Grant was pretty aggressive in his ooc scheduling at Alabama. His final year at Alabama he played Iowa State, Arizona State, Xavier, Wichita State, UCLA. The year before that it was Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Duke, Wichita Sate, Xavier, UCLA.

It will be interesting to see what he comes up with this season. We have had some pretty good h-n-h matchups that didn't repeat, which is a bit puzzling. New Mexico, Creighton, SMU, et al.

Butler can play SLU but not us? X can play NIU? IF they are afraid of UD Arena, why not a neutral site?
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Has anyone heard or seen any updates on this year's schedule, or can someone tell me the dates of the Charleston tournament?
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yes, someone has heard, though they haven't posted. In terms of the charleston tournament, google is your friend (i.e. don't be lazy when you can easily do a search for that):

http://espnevents.com/charleston-cla...eld-announced/
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Coach Bruce Pearl has Auburn in position to make a run at a tournament bid. Mustapha Heron opted to return, and now the Tigers aren't nearly as young with guys like Danjel Purifoy, Horace Spencer, Jared Harper and Austin Wiley having game experience under their belts.

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According to Neil that schedule is almost complete and should be out in a couple of weeks. How is this possible given that we only know about Charleston, Auburn and SMC?

Has the schedule ever come out this early before?
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I'm surprised more opponents haven't come out from some of the games/schedules released already

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Sources: Dayton, Mississippi State to begin home-and-home series next season in Starkville. STORY @FanRagSports:
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Why are SEC teams the only ones willing to play home & homes with UD? Who did we anger in the ACC, BIG 12, and BIG 10?
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We love playing SEC teams. That's now two true road games in the noncon plus the three neutral games.

Total of 11 away, 3 neutral for 14 away from UD.
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Sources: Dayton, Mississippi State to begin home-and-home series next season in Starkville. STORY @FanRagSports:
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For the return game in 18-19 Mississippi St will have the number 15 player in the country Reggie Perry. 6'9" wing who can do it all. Real good pickup for Ben Howland.

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Why are SEC teams the only ones willing to play home & homes with UD? Who did we anger in the ACC, BIG 12, and BIG 10?
ACC with a 20 game schedule and the ACC/Big 10 challenge, I think squeezes them out of the picture

Big 10 with the ACC Challenge, Gavitt Games with the Big East and yearly neutral site events/rivalries for many schools doesn't leave room for a Dayton
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ACC with a 20 game schedule and the ACC/Big 10 challenge, I think squeezes them out of the picture

Big 10 with the ACC Challenge, Gavitt Games with the Big East and yearly neutral site events/rivalries for many schools doesn't leave room for a Dayton
And yet Ohio State can play Robert Morris, Radford, Texas Southern, Northeastern, William & Mary, Appalachian State, The Citadel, and Miami (OH).
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And yet Ohio State can play Robert Morris, Radford, Texas Southern, Northeastern, William & Mary, Appalachian State, The Citadel, and Miami (OH).
OSU only plays buy games in their arena, unless it is a Big5 team.
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What Jack72 said, those are all buy games, not much different that UD playing all of those same schools at home, but not playing a home & home with WSU. I'd love to see an OSU v UD matchup on a regular basis, but I'm not holding my breath.
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The other problem is the lack of quality non power 5 teams anymore. Expansion has really sucked the life out of a lot of leagues. 10 years ago the CAA could produce a good series with George Mason, Old Dominion but that league is solidly one bid now. Same goes for the Missouri Valley.

The Mountain West should be a league to find a good potential H/H but most of the conference outside Nevada has been down on its luck.

The American schools worth playing I don't think would play Dayton H/H.

Not an easy solution
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The Mountain West should be a league to find a good potential H/H but most of the conference outside Nevada has been down on its luck.

The American schools worth playing I don't think would play Dayton H/H.

Not an easy solution
I am skeptical, what about Gonzaga, SMC, BYU, San Diego State, etc.

Valpo has been in the top 60 4 out of the last 5 years.

Boise has been in the top 80 4 out of the last 5 years.

Northern Iowa has been in the top 80 5 out the last 6 years.

I agree that things are getting harder, but there are still opportunities.

And I think some of the American teams would play us.

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Couple more...

Colorado State's last 7 years: 29, 181, 29, 182, 18, 29, and 50.

Belmont has been in the top 60 4 out the the last 7 years, the other 3 years they were in the top 105.
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From a Miss State perspective, "mid-major power" Dayton "beefs up" and adds "muscle" to their OOC conference. Playing Dayton represents a step "towards respectability."

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For those playing along at home:

Auburn
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That leaves 6 or 7 games.
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For those playing along at home:

Auburn
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That leaves 6 or 7 games.
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I am skeptical, what about Gonzaga, SMC, BYU, San Diego State, etc.

Valpo has been in the top 60 4 out of the last 5 years.

Boise has been in the top 80 4 out of the last 5 years.

Northern Iowa has been in the top 80 5 out the last 6 years.

I agree that things are getting harder, but there are still opportunities.

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Colorado State's last 7 years: 29, 181, 29, 182, 18, 29, and 50.

Belmont has been in the top 60 4 out the the last 7 years, the other 3 years they were in the top 105.
Gonzaga and San Diego State can get higher profile games than us. I don't think they'd give up a h/h to play Dayton unless we went to the tourney for something close to ten straight years.

Valpo I wonder if their success continues without Drew

I think Belmont would be great and they would probably do a 2 for 1 with us. I know in another thread Chris R pointed out Dayton wouldn't play a program like Florida Gulf Coast H/H.

I think looking at neutral site events like we did in Chicago with Northwestern is another good avenue.

To me St. Mary's series is the gold standard in a H/H series. Last year they were a tourney team and were 17 in the RPI. We can't predict the future but they bring most of that team back and I've seen several folks predicting that they are favorite in the WCC next year with Gonzaga's early defections to the NBA. This is gonna be a chance at two quality wins for the committee.

BYU I'm all for as a series.

One that I saw in the American that looked interesting to me was UCF. They have most of their key guys back, add a couple transfers and played well down the stretch. It has the added bonus of being in Florida which might be a new area of emphasis recruiting wise
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That would ruin all the fun of hearing the announcements piecemeal. We are in the doldrums of summer man, other than the Gold Cup and college football talk this is pretty much all I have to get excited about.
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That would ruin all the fun of hearing the announcements piecemeal. We are in the doldrums of summer man, other than the Gold Cup and college football talk this is pretty much all I have to get excited about.
You would still find out piecemeal but several weeks (or even months) sooner.

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That would ruin all the fun of hearing the announcements piecemeal. We are in the doldrums of summer man, other than the Gold Cup and college football talk this is pretty much all I have to get excited about.
You would still have Ray Harper posts to digest
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SEC schools seem more willing to play H&H with A10 schools than the other P5 leagues.
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Why are SEC teams the only ones willing to play home & homes with UD? Who did we anger in the ACC, BIG 12, and BIG 10?
I think the SEC plays us because they're looking for quality OOC games and they too are getting squeezed out by the ACC/Big 10. I'm sure if Michigan or Virginia would play Mississippi State at home that'd take that game over Dayton. With the Gavitt Games with the Big East, ACC/Big10 challenge, rivalry games with Big East or SEC schools, annual neutral games (Champions Classic, Crossroad Classics, etc) and exempt tourneys the Big 10/ACC schools aren't playing many series outside of those games.

If PAC 12 schools are coming east to play they're gonna want most times a neutral court or a high profile/exposure match up with great tv coverage. Playing an Ole Miss, Auburn, etc. isn't gonna give them that.

Cal and Kentucky don't want a 20 game schedule so they can play high profile OOC games and what UK says goes in SEC basketball. That gives us for now a chance to get games
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Didn't the SEC put in some non-conference scheduling guidelines a few years back? I think that probably has a lot to do with us getting H&Hs with them.
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What Jack72 said, those are all buy games, not much different that UD playing all of those same schools at home, but not playing a home & home with WSU. I'd love to see an OSU v UD matchup on a regular basis, but I'm not holding my breath.
That was my point. OSU Flyer said Ohio State doesn't have room for UD on their schedule. That is not true. They have room for UD on their schedule, they just don't want to play us. Same with UD and WSU, although UD needs home games for the money. OSU does not.
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That was my point. OSU Flyer said Ohio State doesn't have room for UD on their schedule. That is not true. They have room for UD on their schedule, they just don't want to play us. Same with UD and WSU, although UD needs home games for the money. OSU does not.
While technically true, most teams need to schedule some cupcakes to play at strategic times. Not every game can be a huge game against a big opponent, even for the P5 schools. Most teams open with a cupcake as a warmup game against to get ready for the season. Many times will also schedule these game before their big OOC games, after an tourney like Charleston, around exams and before the start of conference play. These are built in games that help get the team ready for conference play, put W's on the board, and help get minutes and develop the bench.

As for as your last sentence, that is asinine. No school is going to want to willingly lose money because they can afford to not have as many home games. OSU has certain amount of home games they need to balance out parts of their budget as well. Just because the football team makes money, doesn't mean the basketball team can dip into their profits. They are expected to pull their own weight and help make money as well. They have their formula to follow to get into the NCAA tournament, just like UD has their formula they follow.
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While technically true, most teams need to schedule some cupcakes to play at strategic times. Not every game can be a huge game against a big opponent, even for the P5 schools. Most teams open with a cupcake as a warmup game against to get ready for the season. Many times will also schedule these game before their big OOC games, after an tourney like Charleston, around exams and before the start of conference play. These are built in games that help get the team ready for conference play, put W's on the board, and help get minutes and develop the bench.

As for as your last sentence, that is asinine. No school is going to want to willingly lose money because they can afford to not have as many home games. OSU has certain amount of home games they need to balance out parts of their budget as well. Just because the football team makes money, doesn't mean the basketball team can dip into their profits. They are expected to pull their own weight and help make money as well. They have their formula to follow to get into the NCAA tournament, just like UD has their formula they follow.
So OSU needs eight buy games??? That is asinine. I guess they are all scheduled at strategic times.
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So OSU needs eight buy games??? That is asinine. I guess they are all scheduled at strategic times.
Well they will be playing a mid to upper level ACC team in the BIG/ACC challenge, last year they drew top 10 UVA. They will be playing a neutral cite game in December against UNC. They will also be playing in the PK80 Invite out in Oregon. Games have not been announced, but a real strong field here Arkansas, Butler, UConn, Duke, Florida, Georgetown, Gonzaga, Michigan State, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, Portland, Portland State, Stanford and Texas. Typically from here they schedule games against mid to upper level teams. Last year it was UConn and Providence. While I do not think either was better than UD, they still have better name value for the big school fans. Then they must navigate a top 3 conference in basketball for their conference slate. So 5-8 buy games seems about right and on par with most of their peers.

I must also admit I feel dirty defending OSU. I dislike this school more than X and Notre Dame, but I am also realistic about how these things work. They play a few big games in the OOC and then depend on their Big10 schedule. That is all they need to do to get into the tournament because of the current system that is in place. If the A10 was as strong as the Big10 we would be playing a very similar schedule, but it's not. So we are forced to try and find some better games in the OOC.
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Well they will be playing a mid to upper level ACC team in the BIG/ACC challenge, last year they drew top 10 UVA. They will be playing a neutral cite game in December against UNC. They will also be playing in the PK80 Invite out in Oregon. Games have not been announced, but a real strong field here Arkansas, Butler, UConn, Duke, Florida, Georgetown, Gonzaga, Michigan State, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, Portland, Portland State, Stanford and Texas. Typically from here they schedule games against mid to upper level teams. Last year it was UConn and Providence. While I do not think either was better than UD, they still have better name value for the big school fans. Then they must navigate a top 3 conference in basketball for their conference slate. So 5-8 buy games seems about right and on par with most of their peers.

I must also admit I feel dirty defending OSU. I dislike this school more than X and Notre Dame, but I am also realistic about how these things work. They play a few big games in the OOC and then depend on their Big10 schedule. That is all they need to do to get into the tournament because of the current system that is in place. If the A10 was as strong as the Big10 we would be playing a very similar schedule, but it's not. So we are forced to try and find some better games in the OOC.
I know all that, but you are missing my original point, but unknowingly made my point. All I was saying is that when OSU Flyer said that OSU "does not have room for UD" on their schedule that is incorrect. They have room on their schedule, they just don't want to play us (which is fine). When you mentioned UConn and Providence and said 5-8 buy games is about right you made my point. They could play six or seven buy games and they would have room for us, or they could play us as one of their "mid to upper level" games as you call them. But they don't want to play us and that is fine.
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They play a few big games in the OOC and then depend on their Big10 schedule. That is all they need to do to get into the tournament because of the current system that is in place. If the A10 was as strong as the Big10 we would be playing a very similar schedule, but it's not. So we are forced to try and find some better games in the OOC.
And there's the rub. How do you define how "strong" the Big 10 is? The members of the Big 10 (et al) will probably play 3-5 games (challenges, preseason tournies) against other Big 5+1 schools, then play the remaining non conference against teams that they are bound to beat. They can all finish the non-conference season with no more than 2-4 losses based on their Big 5+1 games, and therefore they are strong.

Let's look at OSU:
  • Starts the season with 3 home games (Robert Morris, Radford and Texas Southern).
  • Then the PK80 where they host Northeastern (4-0)
  • Then they play Gonzaga then either Florida or Stanford.
  • Then they have another team in the PK80. So, 3 games against good teams.
  • Hosting Clemson in the B10/ACC Challenge
  • Host William & Mary, Appalachian State, Citadel (7-0 ignoring PK80 and B10/ACC)
  • North Carolina in CBS Sports Classic
  • Host Miami-Ohio (8-0 ignoring Big 5+1 schools)

Gonzaga, Florida/Stanford, 1-more-PK80, Clemson and North Carolina.

So 5 games of "caliber" in the non-conference, and they can go 2-3/3-2 and be be 10-3/11-2 going into non-conference, and therefore, the Big10 is "strong".

I understand why OSU (and other Big5+1 schools) schedule, but it "skews" strength when they talk about things on TV. That 8-0 record should be skewed based on those teams non-conference records, or their RPI, or something. A log curve, maybe.
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When do we get to play Indiana? I thought i read on this blog that as a part of every head coaches contract we get to play the team where the head coach went in a home and home arrangement? Or did i misread that an exception was granted because Archie listed Indiana as one of his dream jobs and that granted the exception? Does this mean that Indiana is off the hook to schedule Dayton? But, isn't Archie still our FRIEND? Why can't he schedule Dayton on his team's non-conference schedule? Or, does he just not want to play Dayton? If he did play in UD arena, i would bet that he would still get a warm applause welcome. He is still regarded as our favorite son? Even if some believe that he betrayed us for extra glamour and the big cash incentive.
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Didn't the SEC put in some non-conference scheduling guidelines a few years back? I think that probably has a lot to do with us getting H&Hs with them.
Yes they did. That also ties in to them getting squeezed by the ACC/Big10 and venturing out to play us
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When do we get to play Indiana? I thought i read on this blog that as a part of every head coaches contract we get to play the team where the head coach went in a home and home arrangement? Or did i misread that an exception was granted because Archie listed Indiana as one of his dream jobs and that granted the exception? Does this mean that Indiana is off the hook to schedule Dayton? But, isn't Archie still our FRIEND? Why can't he schedule Dayton on his team's non-conference schedule? Or, does he just not want to play Dayton? If he did play in UD arena, i would bet that he would still get a warm applause welcome. He is still regarded as our favorite son? Even if some believe that he betrayed us for extra glamour and the big cash incentive.
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If whomever picks the match ups for the NIT tournament has a good sense of humor, game could happen in March!

There was indeed an exception like you describe.

Friend or no friend, Archie Miller knows better than anyone how hard it is for a road team to come in and win at UD arena. Archie needs to win to keep his job. He's not scheduling a game at Dayton just so he can have a beer afterwards with Bucky.
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8-0 is a big assumption...remember Florida Atlantic last season. William & Mary and a couple of others are capable of taking down the Bucks.


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And there's the rub. How do you define how "strong" the Big 10 is? The members of the Big 10 (et al) will probably play 3-5 games (challenges, preseason tournies) against other Big 5+1 schools, then play the remaining non conference against teams that they are bound to beat. They can all finish the non-conference season with no more than 2-4 losses based on their Big 5+1 games, and therefore they are strong.

Let's look at OSU:
  • Starts the season with 3 home games (Robert Morris, Radford and Texas Southern).
  • Then the PK80 where they host Northeastern (4-0)
  • Then they play Gonzaga then either Florida or Stanford.
  • Then they have another team in the PK80. So, 3 games against good teams.
  • Hosting Clemson in the B10/ACC Challenge
  • Host William & Mary, Appalachian State, Citadel (7-0 ignoring PK80 and B10/ACC)
  • North Carolina in CBS Sports Classic
  • Host Miami-Ohio (8-0 ignoring Big 5+1 schools)

Gonzaga, Florida/Stanford, 1-more-PK80, Clemson and North Carolina.

So 5 games of "caliber" in the non-conference, and they can go 2-3/3-2 and be be 10-3/11-2 going into non-conference, and therefore, the Big10 is "strong".

I understand why OSU (and other Big5+1 schools) schedule, but it "skews" strength when they talk about things on TV. That 8-0 record should be skewed based on those teams non-conference records, or their RPI, or something. A log curve, maybe.
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I've said it before, but if you're going to play the friend card, it's getting Anthony's lifelong BFF Frank Martin's South Carolina team to the arena. Obviously, SEC programs are receptive to home and homes. If the dates work, Frank would absolutely do Anthony a solid. And I really do think it will happen at some point. Probably not this year, but in the next 2 years, there's a very good chance I think it happens.
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I am under the impression that when Grant was at Alabama, he really seemed to enjoy going against Martin. I recall reading a story about how Anthony snuck up behind him while he was doing an interview and started whispering the name Francisco, which is Frank's given name and one he went by as a kid in Miami where he and Anthony grew up.
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If whomever picks the match ups for the NIT tournament has a good sense of humor, game could happen in March!

There was indeed an exception like you describe.

Friend or no friend, Archie Miller knows better than anyone how hard it is for a road team to come in and win at UD arena. Archie needs to win to keep his job. He's not scheduling a game at Dayton just so he can have a beer afterwards with Bucky.
Dallasflyer: Archie could have a beer with Bucky Bockhorn in Bloomington Indiana, as well! We'll, as a fanbase, travel to Bloomington for the game. Although, the last time that I watched a game in their arena, I felt physically threatened by how steep the seating was positioned. It was so steep that i was afraid to stand up and go get a cold beverage. I just sat in my seat clutching the chair handles wondering if there was a seat belt or some type of safety harness for us old folks who aren't as stable on our feet as we used to be.
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