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Old 01-14-2021, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Gazoo View Post

And then 2 possessions later, Ibi did THE EXACT SAME THING.
Would that be the same Ibi that got caught in the same spot against George Mason and was the beneficiary of a call by one of those refs that never makes a mistake?
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I’d like to know where we stand in shot clock violations and failures to inbound the ball. I’ll be we are a national leader.

It seems we are very often late in the shot clock which is surprisingly since we don’t pass it inside much and have it kicked back out. LSt year we whipped the ball around the perimeter with great effect but that seems to have gone away.

I flat don’t understand the latter. They might as well throw it to an open area and hope one of our guys gets there first than give the ball to the ref. Or maybe institute some plays with a pick or other stray to get the ball in. Seems like we have a ton of coaching opportunities. Seems AG is a good recruiter but needs help in the actual coaching.
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Originally Posted by Gazoo View Post
I understand your point. But what do you think about the fact that during the final 2:00 last night, Crutcher dribble directly into the coffin corner while being pressed and was forced to call a timeout? That's the sort of thing a high school coach screams at his PG for. You never, ever, ever do it.

And then 2 possessions later, Ibi did THE EXACT SAME THING.

Yes, someone should have been in the middle of the floor to bail them both out. And they weren't. You know, those FRESHMEN who are doing a lot of bone headed things didn't recognize the situation and go where they needed to be. This is a perfect example---TWICE---of our seniors doing something stupid, but, they could have been bailed out if we had Landers or Mikesell on the court.

The freshmen lack acumen, and it requires the seniors to be perfect because they don't have guys to pick them up with they make a bad decision. Something about a chain and its weakest link?
I can’t answer that because I wasn’t home to see this play.
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I can’t answer that because I wasn’t home to see this THESE playS.

Fixed it.
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Seems like we have a ton of coaching opportunities. Seems AG is a good recruiter but needs help in the actual coaching.
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I don't think it's that he needs help, he needs TIME. Nobody here is smarter about hoops than AG.

In our first 5 games I never saw us go backdoor once, for example. Our offense is predicated on aggressively sprinting toward the ball for handoffs. Teams just took that away, leaving the back door so wide open you could have hit the man throwing the pass blindfolded and backward. But the passers weren't ready for it and the guards weren't taking it. In the last game I saw at least 5 times that the guards took the backdoor. They only got the pass a couple times but it scares the bejeezus out of the defenders which is the point. That only comes with practice time.

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Speaking of us inbounding the ball.

The last two games I have noticed a few of our new players looking inside their waist band on their shorts prior to inbounding under our own basket. On one instance three of them at same time, so just not a quick adjustment! Never heard of the basketball playbook being stashed here. Sad we have had so little practice time and guys out that little time has been able to be devoted in practice to this. More than ready for life to get back to normal!
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I watched some of the Duquesne game today. This team is progressing. Some of those freshmen and new players that everyone was curious about in the beginning of the season are beginning to establish themselves a bit.

The team play is still rough, but I see some improved ball movement and get the feeling players are getting some confidence and definition of their own roles.

I see improvement. And by the time the injured players are back, we will have some decent depth.
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Nobody here is smarter about hoops than AG.
Not according to this board.....
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Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan View Post
Speaking of us inbounding the ball.

The last two games I have noticed a few of our new players looking inside their waist band on their shorts prior to inbounding under our own basket. On one instance three of them at same time, so just not a quick adjustment! Never heard of the basketball playbook being stashed here. Sad we have had so little practice time and guys out that little time has been able to be devoted in practice to this. More than ready for life to get back to normal!
Really? So we haven't practiced enough for all of our players to remember our inbound plays??? Maybe we need to start recruiting smarter players. We certainly know how to make excuses for our team on this board.
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Some issues may seem like excuses, but some are very real reasons for not having that crisp execution that is needed throughout a shortened season filled with surprises while trying to garner enough wins to get in the Tournament.

I believe it was Rick Carlisle that said his biggest problem in crunch time was keeping the undivided attention from his supposed adult players in the huddle. You would think making millions would be enough incentive.

AG thought he had Chatman wired in for a season. He is fortunate to have Weaver unexpectedly drop in his lap as a replacement. But Weaver hasn't had the involvement in the process.

Same story with Chase. Yes, only a fool would have bet on him being available for a whole season with his health concerns. But an equivalent player in Mustapha drops a dime and suddenly we have a one-for-one replacement. But there is still a learning curve.

Frazier still isn't fully recovered. Koby, Zimi, Amzil are still learning their boundaries on the court with their teammates.

I guess the Knicks made a mistake with their first round draft choice. The player should be smart enough not to get hurt. Got to recruit smarter players.

Coach played him 60 seconds the last Knick game. Just not smart enough.
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Really? So we haven't practiced enough for all of our players to remember our inbound plays??? Maybe we need to start recruiting smarter players. We certainly know how to make excuses for our team on this board.
This is the quintessential "in a nation as rich as the US, we should have enough money to. . . "
Yes, we've had enough practice time to practice our inbounds plays.
Yes, we've had enough practice time to practice our offensive plays.
Yes, we've had enough practice time to practice free throws.
Yes, we've had enough practice time to practice breaking a press.
Yes, we've had enough practice time to practice our man defensive principles.
Yes, we've had enough practice time to practice our zone.

No, we haven't had enough time to practice ALL OF them. Any one of them, yes. All of them, NO.

And all of them with multiple players playing out of position? No.

And all of them with a guy who just joined the team a few weeks ago and was placed into the starting lineup? No.

Why is this hard to understand.
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Oh right I forgot Dayton is the only team that has been affected by the pandemic, injuries, player departure, no fans at games.

How really complicated are our inbound plays by the way? And if we don't have the type of players that can learn the complicated inbounds plays we have, then we need to simplify it for them. Make a playbook for them so they can actually study them even if they are not practicing. Not sure if anyone knows this or not but there is a ton of software and online resources you can use to make playbooks out there.

And funny thing is the guy who joined the team just a few weeks ago seems to have the least issue with knowing where to be and what to do of all the newbies.
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Some of you seem to think that the A10 is a glorified YMCA league where the opposition doesn’t want the ball or is coached by the walk-on’s dad! (No offense to Coach Nagy at Wright State)
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Oh right I forgot Dayton is the only team that has been affected by the pandemic, injuries, player departure, no fans at games.

How really complicated are our inbound plays by the way? And if we don't have the type of players that can learn the complicated inbounds plays we have, then we need to simplify it for them. Make a playbook for them so they can actually study them even if they are not practicing. Not sure if anyone knows this or not but there is a ton of software and online resources you can use to make playbooks out there.

And funny thing is the guy who joined the team just a few weeks ago seems to have the least issue with knowing where to be and what to do of all the newbies.

Which is what the fans on the message boards at Eastern Illinois, NKU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, George Mason, Davidson, and Duquesne are saying right now.
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This is the quintessential "in a nation as rich as the US, we should have enough money to. . . "
Yes, we've had enough practice time to practice our inbounds plays.
Yes, we've had enough practice time to practice our offensive plays.
Yes, we've had enough practice time to practice free throws.
Yes, we've had enough practice time to practice breaking a press.
Yes, we've had enough practice time to practice our man defensive principles.
Yes, we've had enough practice time to practice our zone.

No, we haven't had enough time to practice ALL OF them. Any one of them, yes. All of them, NO.

And all of them with multiple players playing out of position? No.

And all of them with a guy who just joined the team a few weeks ago and was placed into the starting lineup? No.

Why is this hard to understand.

Practice? You talkin' 'bout practice?! Practice??!!
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Practice? You talkin' 'bout practice?! Practice??!!
Not a game, not a game! They talkin' about practice. How the heck can the team get better by practicing?
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Going back to original post....I like this team also...... BUT you can't lose to LaSalle and Fordham! No excuses. Offensively I like this team when it plays small. Defensively, Jordy is a presence in the post. So are we a better team by playing small or not? I think CAG has his work cut out for him.
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I really don't think AG thought we could lose to Fordham either. Any coach would look at a road trip this season at Fordham and Davidson and have his mind wander off the task at hand at Davidson.

We learned one hard lesson. We are not good enough to look past anyone. Just like we are
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Will be interesting to see how much we like this team once we start playing teams with talent. So far we’ve pretty much played the weaker teams on our schedule.
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Perhaps, this team plays up or down to match its competition. That’s a symptom of a team that has not formed its own identity. Children are like that. Maybe inexperienced basketball talent, as well?
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We saw some good things, it will continue to be about building to the A10 tournament for this team.
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Zimi is looking more confident and
comfortable out there every game,
that is very noticeable and needed...

keep improving, a reasonable goal
now should be finish in the top 4
of the A10, would that not allow us
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We are 11 games into the schedule, having had no pre-season games and precious little pre-season practice. We lost a player and added a player. Also, we had an unusual number of injuries early, compounding the chemistry issues. This is usually where we are starting to gel a bit as a team, especially on defense. All of the new guys are starting to figure it out. You can see it on the court.

Our guard play on offense is terrific, but I see new options emerging.
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I don't see why people can't understand that this is not a team built on raw athleticism. There's no Obi, no Chris Wright, not even a Sean Finn (!) out there. This is a team built on execution and teamwork. The only way this team wins is playing within themselves and within the system. When there's limited practice time for a team like this it's the opposite of what we need.

Crutcher is fantastic and a deadly scorer but he's doesn't have the raw athleticism to go 1 on 3 and score consistently. Ibi is not overly athletic. Our centers are mountainous but not basketball players. Chatman is 170 pounds soaking wet. Amzil is not a high flyer or a physical beast.

BG's old teams would be built for this, get out and run and get after it. I doubt there's a 40" vertical leaper on the whole team, maybe Blakeney?
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I don't see why people can't understand that this is not a team built on raw athleticism. There's no Obi, no Chris Wright, not even a Sean Finn (!) out there. This is a team built on execution and teamwork. The only way this team wins is playing within themselves and within the system. When there's limited practice time for a team like this it's the opposite of what we need.

Crutcher is fantastic and a deadly scorer but he's doesn't have the raw athleticism to go 1 on 3 and score consistently. Ibi is not overly athletic. Our centers are mountainous but not basketball players. Chatman is 170 pounds soaking wet. Amzil is not a high flyer or a physical beast.

BG's old teams would be built for this, get out and run and get after it. I doubt there's a 40" vertical leaper on the whole team, maybe Blakeney?
Wrong, Ibi Watson set the vertical leap record (45 inches) when he was at Michigan.
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Wrong, Ibi Watson set the vertical leap record (45 inches) when he was at Michigan.

Well he isn't vertical leaping here at UD. I'm not sure he's had 10 dunks his whole time here.
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Well he isn't vertical leaping here at UD. I'm not sure he's had 10 dunks his whole time here.
Just admit that you were wrong. Actually, I was wrong, it was 44.5 inches, not 45. Is that so hard?
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Wrong, Ibi Watson set the vertical leap record (45 inches) when he was at Michigan.
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Well he isn't vertical leaping here at UD. I'm not sure he's had 10 dunks his whole time here.
It’s very rare that an opponent lets a player stand in place, gather himself and then leap up as high as he can. Now thinking of it, maybe Ibi should take the jump ball at the start of games.
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We are 11 games into the schedule, having had no pre-season games and precious little pre-season practice. We lost a player and added a player. Also, we had an unusual number of injuries early, compounding the chemistry issues. This is usually where we are starting to gel a bit as a team, especially on defense. All of the new guys are starting to figure it out. You can see it on the court.

Our guard play on offense is terrific, but I see new options emerging.
Although I would say that maybe 90% of college teams had the same start up/practice issues. Any team in any sport from YMCA, Little League, HS team sports, College FB to Pro have difficult time adjusting to changing lineups.

That's why in FB/BB when a starter goes down the second and maybe third guy/gal up tends to be the weak link until they can settle in. Don't you just hate to see a starter gone? I do.

If that can be overcome you tend to hear the color commentators point out that "the team has responded in a positive way" to the issues. This 2020 season and COVID in FB certainly has pointed that out to be the case.
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It’s very rare that an opponent lets a player stand in place, gather himself and then leap up as high as he can. Now thinking of it, maybe Ibi should take the jump ball at the start of games.
Is Jordy now 0-11 on jump balls? Maybe we try Mo for just the jump ball and then call timeout and put Jordy in

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If a team loses the game start jump ball but gets the last possession arrow jump ball of the first half, do they still get the ball to start the second half?
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If a team loses the game start jump ball but gets the last possession arrow jump ball of the first half, do they still get the ball to start the second half?
NO...
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NO...
I realized Jordy is 0-14 I believe because we've had 3 OT periods also..

Which makes me wonder, why not keep using the possession arrow at the start of OT? It seems a lot fairer than having the same winner and loser of jump balls each period. Of course because of Jordy's futility, I just realized this season how unfair that is
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I realized Jordy is 0-14 I believe because we've had 3 OT periods also..

Which makes me wonder, why not keep using the possession arrow at the start of OT? It seems a lot fairer than having the same winner and loser of jump balls each period. Of course because of Jordy's futility, I just realized this season how unfair that is
I was thinking maybe AG was in essence just deferring.
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I guess you take the good with the bad. While Jordy might be on pace to set records for lost jump balls, I'll bet he's also going to set a record for 6'11 centers with the least amount of goaltending calls also.
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Just admit that you were wrong. Actually, I was wrong, it was 44.5 inches, not 45. Is that so hard?
Good lord, did you lose your job today?

Had I said "there IS NOT..." then I'd be wrong. I said "I doubt..." So I was wrong to doubt. I hope your day improves.
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Hard to believe that no one on our team can out jump Jordy..... and that every other team has one. Has anyone actually seen him jump?
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If Jordy Clayton comes back for another year, I hope it’s with the football team.
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Just not as a receiver.
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I Must Respectfully Disagree

I think Jordy is having a very good senior season. Jump balls aside I like his conditioning, defense, rebounding and improved foul shooting. He has surprised me with his ability to pass, finish in traffic around the rim and run the floor for an occasional lay-up. He's made Dayton better this year with his contributions. Good job Big guy! Plus he speaks more languages than the rest of us combined!
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I think Jordy is having a very good senior season. Jump balls aside I like his conditioning, defense, rebounding and improved foul shooting. He has surprised me with his ability to pass, finish in traffic around the rim and run the floor for an occasional lay-up. He's made Dayton better this year with his contributions. Good job Big guy! Plus he speaks more languages than the rest of us combined!

I'm trying to figure out if you're joking or serious. I mean, the big fella is giving everything he's got, and I certainly don't fault his effort. But his passing? He's got 8 assists in 11 games. And he's 3rd on the team in TO's, and it should really be higher for the number of balls that are right in his lap and he drops.

I don't hate the guy, actually he brings a lot of decent things to the table in certain situations, like an acceptable level of defense on other big guys. But he's just such a liability most of the time on offense.

I think we tend to excuse the fact that he bobbles the ball 2-3 times per game because "he's a big man". His catch % is worse than a minor league shortstop. Other team's big men catch the ball, and finish afterward too; this should not be a really high bar we set. He's a grown man, catch the ball.
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His catch % is worse than a minor league shortstop.
??? Don't get it? Aren't Shortstops the best fielders normally?
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??? Don't get it? Aren't Shortstops the best fielders normally?
Not normally in the minors at least when they start off.
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Not normally in the minors at least when they start off.
what is the catch rate for a minor
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Just not as a receiver.
O-lineman. He'll never get called for holding.
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what is the catch rate for a minor
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Pick any number you want if you'd like to get picky. I said "His catch % is worse than a minor league shortstop."



Assume it's 100%. Fine. Jordy's catch % is worse than 100%. 50% is less than 100% so it's still valid.
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Pick any number you want if you'd like to get picky. I said "His catch % is worse than a minor league shortstop."



Assume it's 100%. Fine. Jordy's catch % is worse than 100%. 50% is less than 100% so it's still valid.

so actually, every member of the team
may have a worse catch rate if you are
just making something up, right?

wasn't being picky, I actually thought
you knew,
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so actually, every member of the team
may have a worse catch rate if you are
just making something up, right?

wasn't being picky, I actually thought
you knew,
thanks for clarifying

So you're aware, Crutcher IS NOT as cool as the other side of the pillow. That would be really dangerous. He's right around 98 degrees. The other side of the pillow is probably pretty close to room temperature.
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So you're aware, Crutcher IS NOT as cool as the other side of the pillow. That would be really dangerous. He's right around 98 degrees. The other side of the pillow is probably pretty close to room temperature.

So we're using pillow talk when we discuss BB skillsets ...

Gazoo, you must have exciting pillow talk on those "special occassions"!

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I don't see why people can't understand that this is not a team built on raw athleticism. There's no Obi, no Chris Wright, not even a Sean Finn (!) out there. This is a team built on execution and teamwork. The only way this team wins is playing within themselves and within the system. When there's limited practice time for a team like this it's the opposite of what we need.

Crutcher is fantastic and a deadly scorer but he's doesn't have the raw athleticism to go 1 on 3 and score consistently. Ibi is not overly athletic. Our centers are mountainous but not basketball players. Chatman is 170 pounds soaking wet. Amzil is not a high flyer or a physical beast.

BG's old teams would be built for this, get out and run and get after it. I doubt there's a 40" vertical leaper on the whole team, maybe Blakeney?
Finn wasn't a bad athlete for his size but I at least never considered him someone a great athlete. To me he was the textbook old school back to the basket center not a high Flyer

Monster got Ibi. Crutcher wouldn't be considered a potential NBA prospect if he didn't have athleticism. You can see it when he attacks the basket. He's not Marcus Johnson tier but he's a good one
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Finn wasn't a bad athlete for his size but I at least never considered him someone a great athlete. To me he was the textbook old school back to the basket center not a high Flyer

Monster got Ibi. Crutcher wouldn't be considered a potential NBA prospect if he didn't have athleticism. You can see it when he attacks the basket. He's not Marcus Johnson tier but he's a good one
Finn did dunk a lot his senior year if I recall. That doesn't necessarily make you athletic but it was fun to see.
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After today, I can honestly say this team may cause me to have a drinking problem.

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Gazoo, when are you going to change the title of this thread to "I actually FELT pretty good about this team"?
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Originally Posted by CT Flyer View Post
Finn did dunk a lot his senior year if I recall. That doesn't necessarily make you athletic but it was fun to see.
he could run the court very
well for a big, but his free throw
shooting for his career was, what,
just over 50% if I recall...

but yes, he was athletic in my opinion..
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Gazoo, when are you going to change the title of this thread to "I actually FELT pretty good about this team"?

Good morning.
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LOL. Ironically, what already seems like a complete season is really just over one-third complete. Amazing. Give me a real pre-season/fall, a few patsy games where the youth would be much further ahead and NOT had to break in 3 freshman actually playing several mpg who have had basically ZERO practice and learning on-the-job, and they are making great strides and that would be true even with a close loss last night.
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LOL. Ironically, what already seems like a complete season is really just over one-third complete. Amazing. Give me a real pre-season/fall, a few patsy games where the youth would be much further ahead and NOT had to break in 3 freshman actually playing several mpg who have had basically ZERO practice and learning on-the-job, and they are making great strides and that would be true even with a close loss last night.
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What other team without 5-star recruits has had 30% of minutes played by freshmen and been successful? We have 5 freshmen averaging 10+ MPG but only Sissoko has played in all 13, Zimi 11, and after that is Mustapha at 8--and he didn't even join the team until the last few days of December. (Also Brea at 8 but half the total minutes as Mustapha.) That means a lot of these guys have played 10 minutes in the games where they've played, but have missed so many games they're actually playing 5 minutes per game in total. Run in one freshman, run out another, no consistency.

Only 5 guys have appeared in double-digit number of games out of 13 (77% of games). Last year by the 13th game the lineup was set and it didn't change all year. Obi / Trey / Mikesell / Crutcher / Chatman, with Ibi off the bench, every game (12 out of 13, Crutcher missed 1 meaningless game). Cohill, Matos, Jordy filling in minutes, the only variable was Chase leaving the team and he was playing minor minutes. 9 guys played basically every game. This year, only 5 have played in over 75%. THAT MATTERS.

Mustapha just recently became the 4th player start over HALF of the games we've played. The 5th player on the team to start over half of our total games will be Weaver, which won't happen until February 9th (God willing).
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I'm sorry, just saw this "and a Top of the morning to you too Gazoo.(4 rhyming words in a row).
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Zimi is looking more confident and
comfortable out there every game,
that is very noticeable and needed...

keep improving, a reasonable goal
now should be finish in the top 4
of the A10, would that not allow us
to be able to skip a game in the
tournament?

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Lucky for the newly confident Zimi that we had Ibi crap the bed last night. Else we’d be discussing his futility. 30 minutes and a bazillion misses but nary an offensive rebound. 1-7! At least he gave great effort. On several occasions he was seen running rapidly to catch up with the guy who blew by him. Sure hope he turns into DO soon.
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Lucky for the newly confident Zimi that we had Ibi crap the bed last night. Else we’d be discussing his futility. 30 minutes and a bazillion misses but nary an offensive rebound. 1-7! At least he gave great effort. On several occasions he was seen running rapidly to catch up with the guy who blew by him. Sure hope he turns into DO soon.
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I agree with your assessment of Zimi's performance last night. He was noticeably bad, to even the casual observer.

My guess is that you just can't help yourself, it's just who you are, but why the last line of your post re: Devin Oliver? You make a fair observation and a point, then before signing off, you remind us all what a **** you are.
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Will take a A-10 championship to Dance. Given our ability to have really bad games, Fordham, Explorers, VCU, Dukes, it's hard for me to see us stringing together enough wins in the A-10 tourny to win it all. Given that, the games are yet to be played and anything is possible (I guess).

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Lucky for the newly confident Zimi that we had Ibi crap the bed last night. Else we’d be discussing his futility. 30 minutes and a bazillion misses but nary an offensive rebound. 1-7! At least he gave great effort. On several occasions he was seen running rapidly to catch up with the guy who blew by him. Sure hope he turns into DO soon.
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he has looked better,
that doesn't mean he will not
have an off game, you know this..
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post something smart alecky with
a DO reference, when no one says that...

this really says more about you, than
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you reference....
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Lucky for the newly confident Zimi that we had Ibi crap the bed last night. Else we’d be discussing his futility. 30 minutes and a bazillion misses but nary an offensive rebound. 1-7! At least he gave great effort. On several occasions he was seen running rapidly to catch up with the guy who blew by him. Sure hope he turns into DO soon.
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Freshman at times will be up & down. 5th year seniors should not.

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Will takea A-10 championship to Dance. Given our ability to have really bad games, Fordham, Explorers, VCU, Dukes, it's hard for me to see us stringing together enough wins in the A-10 tourny to win it all. Given that, the games are yet to be played and anything is possible 9iguess).
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Back to the title of the thread: "I actually feel pretty good about this team".

I don't any longer. Outside Crutcher the upper classmen are too inconsistent (Ibi), or not on the floor (Jordy). What's left is freshman that are up or down and the golden offensive random of Brea & Weaver.

Losing Johnson & Chatman (and POY candidate Cohill) is more than this team can overcome

So much for no longer needing to rebuild.
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is it inconsistency on Ibi's part, or
not playing within the coach's scheme?
I can no longer watch games, so
I rely on WHIO listen live...

seems to me, CAG needs all 5 players
on the court knowing their roles
within the offense and where they
should be, how the offense should move..

he may be open but missing shots, but
is he really playing within the scheme,
moving without the ball... are all the
players doing this?

maybe this is the nonchalant aspect
Brooks Hall has referred to...
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is it inconsistency on Ibi's part, or
not playing within the coach's scheme?
I can no longer watch games, so
I rely on WHIO listen live...

seems to me, CAG needs all 5 players
on the court knowing their roles
within the offense and where they
should be, how the offense should move..

he may be open but missing shots, but
is he really playing within the scheme,
moving without the ball... are all the
players doing this?

maybe this is the nonchalant aspect
Brooks Hall has referred to...
I haven’t seen as much Flyer ball as I usually do, and for an amateur like me, it’s hard to pick-up on some of the nuances when I can’t see the games in-person. But with regard to Ibi, I think he’s mostly just that inconsistent. In most games, he’s either on fire (hitting 50% or better in 8 of our 15 games) or as cold as a caribou turd (with an 0-fer in 3 of the other 7 games, including Tuesday’s 0-10 debacle). Many more knowledgeable Priders have been able to see a noticeable difference in when he has “catch and shoot” 3s as opposed to the “create your own” 3s. Part of it, though, is probably the old saying: “Live by the 3; die by the 3”.

Also, you mentioned Brooks Hall, and that’s why I really enjoy listening to his commentary. He has a great ability to “read” players’ mannerisms and body language, and there may be some degree of nonchalance to Ibi that’s negatively impacting his (and the team’s) play this year. Now, I don’t want a bunch of emotional basket cases, who’re a threat to slug somebody in every game. But I would like to see more controlled, focused passion out of our players. Some guys have it. Others don’t. It’s very possible that Ibi just doesn’t show that controlled, focused passion with enough consistency.
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I haven’t seen as much Flyer ball as I usually do, and for an amateur like me, it’s hard to pick-up on some of the nuances when I can’t see the games in-person. But with regard to Ibi, I think he’s mostly just that inconsistent. In most games, he’s either on fire (hitting 50% or better in 8 of our 15 games) or as cold as a caribou turd (with an 0-fer in 3 of the other 7 games, including Tuesday’s 0-10 debacle). Many more knowledgeable Priders have been able to see a noticeable difference in when he has “catch and shoot” 3s as opposed to the “create your own” 3s. Part of it, though, is probably the old saying: “Live by the 3; die by the 3”.

Also, you mentioned Brooks Hall, and that’s why I really enjoy listening to his commentary. He has a great ability to “read” players’ mannerisms and body language, and there may be some degree of nonchalance to Ibi that’s negatively impacting his (and the team’s) play this year. Now, I don’t want a bunch of emotional basket cases, who’re a threat to slug somebody in every game. But I would like to see more controlled, focused passion out of our players. Some guys have it. Others don’t. It’s very possible that Ibi just doesn’t show that controlled, focused passion with enough consistency.
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T-Bone: This is precisely why I made the comment during the Duquesne game that, "No one had their Trey-like game face on." The players seemed to be going through the game in a nonchalant manner, as described by Brooks. There was no emotion, no sense of urgency, nor was there any sense of passion about the game. I think the lack of leadership, as opined by Marysville Flyer, is part of the problem. Also, I think the lack of fans contributes to that as well. We all are looking for Jalen Crutcher to take on that role, but it is not happening.
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I really like it when Brooks Hall is on
the radio broadcast.. good discussion here,
and agree: it's this lack of passion, no
sense of urgency at all.. and this is
coming off of a top 25 win on the road..

one game they seem to care deeply,
then other times they do not, or appear
to not care at all... speaking for some,
not all, of the players...

I was so hoping for a nice run after
St Louis... not this "performance", if
that is the correct word to even use..
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T-Bone: This is precisely why I made the comment during the Duquesne game that, "No one had their Trey-like game face on." The players seemed to be going through the game in a nonchalant manner, as described by Brooks. There was no emotion, no sense of urgency, nor was there any sense of passion about the game. I think the lack of leadership, as opined by Marysville Flyer, is part of the problem. Also, I think the lack of fans contributes to that as well. We all are looking for Jalen Crutcher to take on that role, but it is not happening.
This team is not a rah, rah team. They are not like Obi. Does that mean that they don't care and were not willing to win the game against Duquesne?

NO! They want to win every game. They have been upset and embarrassed by the losses. Guaranteed.

Three things happened.

1) Dukes used mismatches on O and D especially when Jordy got into foul trouble.
2) The players especially young players don't know how to respond on defense when the offense goes south. this team lives and dies by the 3. The experienced are probably not used to it, because last year, there were no droughts.
3) Dukes were fired up.

UD came out and looked similar against URI. The Rams were fired up shouting, chest bumping in the first half. Their bench was a morgue in the second half. They went from fire dup to beaten. This happens with 18-22 year olds.

Of all the things that caused the defeat, #1 was the big one.
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Team needs a leader. No idea if Jalen is that guy but you saw Landers get in guys faces and exhort his words. You saw him during TO's and dead balls grabbing guys by the shirt (nicely) and pointing out what they need to do and where they need to be and THAT was with a veteran team. He was coaching non-stop and he was CAG's best friend being the coach out on the court.

Every team needs/ can use THAT guy but it has to be earned. I can see Jordy having those traits but you have to be out on the court far more than on the bench.

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Team needs a leader. No idea if Jalen is that guy but you saw Landers get in guys faces and exhort his words. You saw him during TO's and dead balls grabbing guys by the shirt (nicely) and pointing out what they need to do and where they need to be and THAT was with a veteran team. He was coaching non-stop and he was CAG's best friend being the coach out on the court.

Every team needs/ can use THAT guy but it has to be earned. I can see Jordy having those traits but you have to be out on the court far more than on the bench.
There are two kinds of leaders. First are the guys that put together a plan of action for the game. Coaches/staff. This has been completely underwhelming this year. Our "Coach of the Year" has a pretty poor record in chess vs opposing coaches. I hope he shared the honors last year with our players, because we're seeing EXACTLY where our coaching last year came from.

Then there are your floor generals. Trey, Obi and Ryan had it. Jalen doesn't - and he didn't last year either. In fact, I don't see a single bit of it in any of our players. There is nobody capable of picking up hung heads.

That said, we have some talent, so when we're hot, we'll win. See our decent wins. When we're not hot, we're probably not going to have that much better a game plan, and nobody on the floor is going to rally the troops. So, we get beat.

Mediocre team. Mediocre season. We're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy.
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I predict Ibi will go 0-10 from 3 tonight.

Said no one on this board, ever.

I don't think there was ever a chance we were going to win the A10 outright. We've been building for an A10 tournament run, that was always our best bet after losing our starting SF, PF, and C from last year, followed by losing our starting 2G and our new starting PF this year.

It's all about building to the A10 tournament, for better or worse. I never said they would win it, or that we were a lock for the dance. Nothing of the sort. Just that I feel good about this team. There's always a chance based on pure luck that a terrible team wins their tournament, or that a great team loses a bunch of games it should not. My position is simply that the team is very much "not dead yet" and has some pieces that continue to develop into the end of the year, which could result in a good tournament run.

Or, Ibi could go 0-10 in the first game and we're done. You can't measure probability in a single draw.
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I was talking to a UD fan friend today.

I think that the team has improved tremendously since the beginning of the season. We still have our weaknesses, but have increasing depth with the development of the new guys. I feel like Crutcher, Chatman and Weaver can all handle point when needed. Amzil was a huge addition, and Nwokeji has started contributing consistently. With Sissoko out for mystery circumstances lately, I do feel vulnerable with our interior beef. When Tshimanga gets into foul trouble, we get much weaker with the interior defense and more vulnerable on the glass against teams that have strong bigs.

That said, when Tshimanga weathers the foul storm and plays well, we have a lot of upside.
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I was talking to a UD fan friend today.

I think that the team has improved tremendously since the beginning of the season. We still have our weaknesses, but have increasing depth with the development of the new guys. I feel like Crutcher, Chatman and Weaver can all handle point when needed. Amzil was a huge addition, and Nwokeji has started contributing consistently. With Sissoko out for mystery circumstances lately, I do feel vulnerable with our interior beef. When Tshimanga gets into foul trouble, we get much weaker with the interior defense and more vulnerable on the glass against teams that have strong bigs.

That said, when Tshimanga weathers the foul storm and plays well, we have a lot of upside.
I wonder if this team can find it's stride with a defense-first identity. Getting Chatman back is obviously the catalyst here, but Weaver's a good defensive player as well. Tshimanga does a good job protecting the paint. Nwokeji can do a lot on defense. Blakney, for better or worse, is a ball of energy out there. It could have just been a down night for Saint Louis, but I thought the team's defense looked excellent and especially cohesive. They were really active, cleared the boards well and appeared dialed-in.

I still think they're light on talent as a roster, but maybe they can make up for any deficiencies with defensive intensity.
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I wonder if this team can find it's stride with a defense-first identity. Getting Chatman back is obviously the catalyst here, but Weaver's a good defensive player as well. Tshimanga does a good job protecting the paint. Nwokeji can do a lot on defense. Blakney, for better or worse, is a ball of energy out there. It could have just been a down night for Saint Louis, but I thought the team's defense looked excellent and especially cohesive. They were really active, cleared the boards well and appeared dialed-in.

I still think they're light on talent as a roster, but maybe they can make up for any deficiencies with defensive intensity.
In the first half against SLU, our defense was strong and we were really good on the glass.

In the second half, our defense was average. SLU missed a BUNCH of easy looks, many at point blank, as well as wide open threes. And we were torched on the glass in the second half. We were very fortunate SLU's couldn't hit anything.
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keep it going on defense,
I've always been on the this season
is not over. was hoping for a top 4
A10 finish, we are not making it easy
that's 4 sure....

but Zimi starting, Amzil actually looking
good off the bench, silent T working hard
on defense big fella and not fouling,
Chatman back...

this season is not done

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When this season started, I felt that this team would be fine. We had three senior guards. These 3 guys would collectively will this team to be successful. If the other positions on the court would just hold their own then these three guards would carry this team.
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When this season started, I felt that this team would be fine. We had three senior guards. These 3 guys would collectively will this team to be successful. If the other positions on the court would just hold their own then these three guards would carry this team.
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Well, after what they lost player-wise after last season, I never thought they would all of a sudden be fine and be a NCAA team but I never in a million years thought I would see the amount of turnovers this team had most of the year with both 4th/5th year starting guards back. That, in and of itself, was totally unacceptable.
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I wonder if this team can find it's stride with a defense-first identity. Getting Chatman back is obviously the catalyst here, but Weaver's a good defensive player as well. Tshimanga does a good job protecting the paint. Nwokeji can do a lot on defense. Blakney, for better or worse, is a ball of energy out there. It could have just been a down night for Saint Louis, but I thought the team's defense looked excellent and especially cohesive. They were really active, cleared the boards well and appeared dialed-in.

I still think they're light on talent as a roster, but maybe they can make up for any deficiencies with defensive intensity.
Just can't tell with this Jeckyl and Hyde team. Having Chatman back is a huge huge plus to at least get some defensive on-the-ball intensity back which can make them a far more consistent team. All defense is important but nothing like really good-on-the-ball pressure which takes time off the shot clock, allows less dribble penetration into the lane and creates much tougher and longer passing angles. Not a coincidence that getting Chatman back helped UD get the huge lead against RI with a continued overall good defensive game against St Louis.
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Last year's team was very good on offense, but Obi leaves. The defense last year was very good, and especially when it needed to be. It was that way thanks to Mikesell, Landers and Chatman, Cohill and Obi a threat to block a shot. All of those have been gone for most of this season. I just hope the defense has evolved, and we will see this the next few games.

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As frustrating a year as it's been, the guys are 4-6 pts from being in the log jam at the top of the league. Question is what team will show up down the stretch? The one that lost to Fordham or the one that just dominated SLU? A10 tournament finals in the Arena, perhaps there is a tiny crack of light?
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Last year's team was very good on offense, but Obi leaves. The defense last year was very good, and especially when it needed to be. It was that way thanks to Mikesell, Landers and Chatman, and Obi a threat to block a shot. All of those have been gone for most of this season. I just hope the defense has evolved, and we will see this the next few games.
Also lost Cohill.
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Probably have to get by Fordham LaSalle or St Joes first. We do not play consistant basketball. Wax SLU, get blown out by St. Joe. Hard to see us stringing together wins in the tournement, but anything can happen I guess.
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Gotta get past VCU, which won't be an easy task. They are the only team that scares me, and I'm barely scared.
Are you kidding me? There IS NOT a team in the A-10 who doesn't scare me. After all, we have lost to all four bottom-feeders. I am not confident we could beat any team in the conference.
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Are you kidding me? There IS NOT a team in the A-10 who doesn't scare me. After all, we have lost to all four bottom-feeders. I am not confident we could beat any team in the conference.
Exactly my thoughts. Face it - we're not going anywhere. We might have a couple games left, but this season is over!
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Gotta get past VCU, which won't be an easy task. They are the only team that scares me, and I'm barely scared.
Lol. Welcome to earth wherever you've been.
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why does it sound like Jalen and Chatman
cannot work together? both seniors,
they should have that ESP thing going...

is there some problem, I just don't get it.
from some things Keith said, it sounded
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what is the deal? I just don't get it
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Could it be that Jalen is discouraged because of the team's performance and his own inconsistent, highly questionable senior year? I truly believe he had his sights on the NBA and now reality is setting in. Uruguay here I come!
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A few times in the second half I wondered whether Jalen was in the game. He hung in the corner discouraged. He and Chatman played nice in the sand box for Chatman's first game back, but I think that was because Chatman was just back and accepting his role. Now Chatman thinks he is as good as Crutcher, and I think Crutcher resents it.

Jalen was 4-10 on two pointers. He was not into it, and that shows when you short arm the close in shots. His defense the first half was pathetic. Chatman played okay, but he is no Jalen. Those two fouls on three pointers were huge and stupid. It gave Joes 7 points.

Crutcher will be hard to replace. Chatman will be easy. Assuming his knee comes back, Cohill will be better than Chatman, as might be one of the frosh guards by mid-year.
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I thought the post game was like Wes were in the NBA....matchup issues and resting Jordy....then Anthony told Jablonski he will see how we play against Bonnie depending on the standings... very NBA...maybe smart..let’s see
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Resting Jordy for what? The NBA draft.
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I thought the post game was like Wes were in the NBA....matchup issues and resting Jordy....then Anthony told Jablonski he will see how we play against Bonnie depending on the standings... very NBA...maybe smart..let’s see

You’ve played 20 games. Load management has nothing to do with anything. I mean wouldn’t you have wanted to play your best rebounder if you knew by winning the next two games you could find yourself only needing to win two games in Richmond before coming back home for the championship? That is the most idiotic thing I’ve ever heard.
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And oh by the way, St. Joe played six guys last night...wish they had thought about managing those players load last night instead of playing them so much. Maybe we would have actually had a chance.
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Just when you think there might be some hope .... nevermind. If you can't beat the basement dwellers when the season is on the line, then you don't deserve it. Little if any chemistry, no floor leadership, and it shows.
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