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Old 02-17-2021, 09:14 AM
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A friend said it best: this team left its heart on a bus in Atlantic City (edit: Brooklyn).

These seniors, and in particular I'm really talking about Crutcher and Ibi (neutral on Chatman, Jordy is giving all he's got--bless his heart), simply don't have a fire in their belly.

There are several reasonable excuses for this:

1. They got right to the precipice of college basketball, we were on our way to a potential Final Four (and these guys thought they could win it all). The rug was literally pulled out from under them standing at the first tournament site. Grant can say what he wants, that is going to hurt for a long time.

2. Now think about it: Crutcher and Ibi play their last games at the highest possible level, then come back this season to see a bunch of skinny, unprepared freshmen. Say what you want, ANYONE with a rational brain would have trouble adjusting to being traded from the Lakers to the Sacramento Kings.

3. Crutcher spent the offseason talking to scouts about his NBA prospects and watching Obi practice with the best athletes in the world. Then he throws a 2-hand bounce pass to Jordy and it hits him in the nuts and Jordy falls down (fouling in the process). Can you imagine how deflating that must be? Like, WTF am I doing here in kindergarten?

4. Ibi realizes his playing career is over, and it's going to end this way not with a national championship at MSU or Dayton. Ibi's giva**** is clearly broken by the same factors as above. He's just not even going after loose balls sometimes. The 6th leading FT shooter in the A10 misses 3 FT's in a row in a 2-point game that allows URI to complete their run. That's nothing but giva****. Or lack of it.

Can we get Trey back as an assistant coach to just scream at people from the bench and in practice? It's not talent, it's heart, which translates into focus. I get it, I'm not mad at the seniors, but I'm concerned they're building bad habits in the younger players.

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Old 02-17-2021, 10:06 AM
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You can see the frustration in Jalens body language. And Ibi’s attitude is obvious way too often. A 6-5/Trey with less natural talent or a 6-6 Ibi with much better shooting talent.......would anyone not take Trey? It’s become pretty obvious why Nebraska and Michigan let Jordy and Ibi become dissatisfied enough to leave.
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Old 02-17-2021, 10:47 AM
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I said the other day, I hope at least one of the Class of 21 recruits is a dog. I'll never question Crutcher's effort. But other than Chatman there's no nasty in this team.
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I think you need to add in the effect of basically ZERO fans allowed. Some guys can create their own energy based on their personalities, upbringing,disrespect, etc. etc. Some need a guy like Obi to create it with bailout plays and ridiculous dunks or a physical presence like Trey Landers who was as good and skilled a HS athlete as you'll find in America, yet, had to find his own niche as a college player based far more on heart and toughness than skill.

Some players need the thousands of UD fans to elevate their energy.Right or wrong, it is what it is. Jalen and, especially, Ibi are laid back people. Alot of the UD players seem to be. The young guys are looking for real leadership. Is it there? Where is it? The moment a player starts playing like the game is an intramural game, as alot of the UD players seem to do, imo, then it's tough to recreate real instinctive energy.

This energy is really needed on the road in a normal year, yet, every game this year, both home and away, is almost like a neutral court game. This offense in alot of ways is no different than a season ago except then you could dick around with the ball for 28 seconds and lob it up to Obi. Ain't no Obi anymore.
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Regardless of the shortcomings in certain areas, when the seniors leave, baring a couple of miracle freshmen, or the second coming, we will be in a world of hurt next year. The current frosh are about as close to zero as a group can get.
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I said the other day, I hope at least one of the Class of 21 recruits is a dog. I'll never question Crutcher's effort. But other than Chatman there's no nasty in this team.
Agreed. This team lacks mental toughness. AG was quoted last night as saying the same things, ie, rebounding and turnovers, have plagued this team all year, that’s in large part a result of toughness, or a lack thereof.
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Regardless of the shortcomings in certain areas, when the seniors leave, baring a couple of miracle freshmen, or the second coming, we will be in a world of hurt next year. The current frosh are about as close to zero as a group can get.
Disagree. We are now seeing what Zimi can be if he’s used properly and given the ball. Amzil will continue to improve. We will be a better team, IMO, because we won’t have the ball dominant players, who when they’re off, make it impossible to be successful.
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Originally Posted by UD62 View Post
Regardless of the shortcomings in certain areas, when the seniors leave, baring a couple of miracle freshmen, or the second coming, we will be in a world of hurt next year. The current frosh are about as close to zero as a group can get.
what game were you watching?

Brooks Hall could be heard a couple
times chuckling under his breath when Zimi
scored... he explained to the fans:

if the listeners hear me laugh under my
breath, it is because Zimi just gets more
and more comfortable on a college court.

Brooks then said his ceiling is at or near
the top...

Zimi was the best player on the court, both
teams... if he can become a 10 plus point,
6 plus rebound guy next year, that to me
will be a very reasonable goal...
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I've been hard on Zimi for sure, but the kid has talent. Same with RJ. They will only get better with experience. I think same for Koby. In a normal world, Koby is a redshirt this year. Well, this year doesn't count, so I think next year he'll be much improved. Amzil will improve, especially with 25 more lbs on his frame. Still think Frazier and Sissoko are gone, and it sure would be nice to pick up one immediately eligible transfer who can bring experience.
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Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan View Post
I've been hard on Zimi for sure, but the kid has talent. Same with RJ. They will only get better with experience. I think same for Koby. In a normal world, Koby is a redshirt this year. Well, this year doesn't count, so I think next year he'll be much improved. Amzil will improve, especially with 25 more lbs on his frame. Still think Frazier and Sissoko are gone, and it sure would be nice to pick up one immediately eligible transfer who can bring experience.
I was thinking the same thing. Can’t see how Frazier and Sissoko stay, unless they don’t mind sitting on the bench. It’s pretty clear we have recruited “over” them. I suspect we get another highly rated big before all is said and done.
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If these seniors only played with fire last year because we were at the precipice of college basketball and can't play DIVISION 1 basketball the following year with the same fire when their professional lives are also at stake, then maybe we recruited the wrong kind of kid.
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I was thinking the same thing. Can’t see how Frazier and Sissoko stay, unless they don’t mind sitting on the bench. It’s pretty clear we have recruited “over” them. I suspect we get another highly rated big before all is said and done.
Not going to count out Sissoko who is the only C on the team next year and one with real size and beef and especially with him having his best game basically his last game he played with 6 boards. Way too small of a resume this season.
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I think you need to add in the effect of basically ZERO fans allowed. Some guys can create their own energy based on their personalities, upbringing,disrespect, etc. etc. Some need a guy like Obi to create it with bailout plays and ridiculous dunks or a physical presence like Trey Landers who was as good and skilled a HS athlete as you'll find in America, yet, had to find his own niche as a college player based far more on heart and toughness than skill.

Some players need the thousands of UD fans to elevate their energy.Right or wrong, it is what it is. Jalen and, especially, Ibi are laid back people. Alot of the UD players seem to be. The young guys are looking for real leadership. Is it there? Where is it? The moment a player starts playing like the game is an intramural game, as alot of the UD players seem to do, imo, then it's tough to recreate real instinctive energy.

This energy is really needed on the road in a normal year, yet, every game this year, both home and away, is almost like a neutral court game. This offense in alot of ways is no different than a season ago except then you could dick around with the ball for 28 seconds and lob it up to Obi. Ain't no Obi anymore.
So UD has players that can only play if they are pumped up by 1,000 of fans in the stands. SO splane to me HOW the other players on team A, B, or C or say for instance Fordham etc. can play better than UD under the very same conditions. You could be implying that the remaining roster of returning Flyers are mentally weak?

Right now we are playing dis-functional 'team' play. These guys are lucky that they don't have 1,000's of fans in the stands and exhibit the level of play that we have seen. They would be boooooooo'ed to tears.

The JOB years were god-awful in a similar fashion and some BG's teams showed the same inability to get a good shot off or run the shot clock down to 8 or less seconds and then didn't know what to do with the ball except throw a pray up. AND those teams had at least a 1,000 fans in the stands.

So let's not blame external goings on to this teams woes. It's all internally driven.
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Not going to count out Sissoko who is the only C on the team next year and one with real size and beef and especially with him having his best game basically his last game he played with 6 boards. Way too small of a resume this season.
Not going to count Sissoko out? Where is he? For all we know, he may have told Grant he is leaving. You do not play a mediocre kid, when he is leaving. He would fit in with next year's four stars like a dog driving Rollo's yacht.

Frazier is a different story. He is way behind physically and mentally, and may enjoy being a role player in a good program.
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I've been hard on Zimi for sure, but the kid has talent. Same with RJ. They will only get better with experience. I think same for Koby. In a normal world, Koby is a redshirt this year. Well, this year doesn't count, so I think next year he'll be much improved. Amzil will improve, especially with 25 more lbs on his frame. Still think Frazier and Sissoko are gone, and it sure would be nice to pick up one immediately eligible transfer who can bring experience.
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I was thinking the same thing. Can’t see how Frazier and Sissoko stay, unless they don’t mind sitting on the bench. It’s pretty clear we have recruited “over” them. I suspect we get another highly rated big before all is said and done.
I agree with you about Frazier. Something was wrong from almost the get go and it could have been his appendix but I can't believe that was the only issue. Appendix surgery doesn't place you down THIS LONG. Now could he have contacted meningitis (kissing disease I think they use to call it when I went to school, LOL) that with the surgery would be a double whammy and hard to get full recovery from.

Did Frazier play a bit in one game? IIR I think he did. Of course, he just may not show much in practice and hasn't earned playing time. Whatever it is, he is almost a forgotten man on the pine.
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Not going to count Sissoko out? Where is he? For all we know, he may have told Grant he is leaving. You do not play a mediocre kid, when he is leaving. He would fit in with next year's four stars like a dog driving Rollo's yacht.

Frazier is a different story. He is way behind physically and mentally, and may enjoy being a role player in a good program.
And how do you come up with you know he's leaving when you just asked the basic question of where is he a sentence before? Could he be injured? Aren't you assuming too much? AG doesn't talk about anyone hardly when they're not on the court or the bench.

So all of a sudden we have players still in HS that are "next years stars" that will guarantee fluid play and consistency? LOL. Hell, you were probably stoked a year ago with "this years" stars". How's that working out?

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Not going to count Sissoko out? Where is he? For all we know, he may have told Grant he is leaving. You do not play a mediocre kid, when he is leaving. He would fit in with next year's four stars like a dog driving Rollo's yacht.

Frazier is a different story. He is way behind physically and mentally, and may enjoy being a role player in a good program.
If Mo leaves after this year, what are the rules as far as transfers go? Is there a possibility he'd have to sit next season? If so, I just cannot imagine it's in his best interest to leave unless there's some very deep clashes with CAG. If he did leave, and sat out next year, he would have 4 years eligibility in what would've normally been his senior season.
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Back to the OP. First, I really do regret the program not finding a way (or trying) to bring Trey back as a Graduate Assistant. This team doesn’t seem to have anyone closely associated with it that will kick @$$ and take names. Trey did that better than just about anyone in recent Flyer memory. This team needs a drill sergeant, and Trey, even as a GradAss, would have filled that role.

I truly feel bad for Crutcher, and I do think he has some fire in his gut, but not in the Trey mold. And yes, you can see the frustration in his body language when he feeds a guy for what would have been a score last year, but the ball gets fumbled due to a lack of alertness or skill, and a sure 2 last year becomes a TO this year.

And I must say that Ibi has disappointed me the most, because of how his GiveASpit is busted. It’s perfectly understandable that the team is disappointed in how last season turned out, but dammit, man! Put on your big boy pants and get back to work! Anyone who knows me knows that I have only the slightest shred of athletic ability, but whenever I got the chance to play any sport, my equalizer was hustle. Rushing the QB in football. Boxing out for rebounds in basketball. Chasing down balls hit in the gap in softball. All of those rely on someone’s motor to kick in, and all you have to do is want it. And, if you don’t want it, then GTF out of the way of someone who does.

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And how do you come up with you know he's leaving when you just asked the basic question of where is he a sentence before? Could he be injured? Aren't you assuming too much? AG doesn't talk about anyone hardly when they're not on the court or the bench.

So all of a sudden we have players still in HS that are "next years stars" that will guarantee fluid play and consistency? LOL. Hell, you were probably stoked a year ago with "this years" stars". How's that working out?
"For all we know" is we have been told nothing, so one might suspect. For you to twist it to "I know he is leaving" is not fair or ethical. Nor is your saying, "I was stoked with this year's stars", since you have no idea what I thought. These guys were two and three star recruits. Next year, they are the highest ranked recruiting class ever with three four stars.

I will lead you to the water. When a player is ill or injured, we have been told in general terms (Frazier, Chatman, Blakney, Weaver, Cohill, Brea). When they are not capable of competing (Frazier), we may not be told, but Sissoko was playing. He played every game until January 31, and now has missed four straight. We usually are not told for three reasons: transferring, grades or rules. You pick.
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"For all we know" is we have been told nothing, so one might suspect. For you to twist it to "I know he is leaving" is not fair or ethical. Nor is your saying, "I was stoked with this year's stars", since you have no idea what I thought. These guys were two and three star recruits. Next year, they are the highest ranked recruiting class ever with three four stars.

I will lead you to the water. When a player is ill or injured, we have been told in general terms (Frazier, Chatman, Blakney, Weaver, Cohill, Brea). When they are not capable of competing (Frazier), we may not be told, but Sissoko was playing. He played every game until January 31, and now has missed four straight. We usually are not told for three reasons: transferring, grades or rules. You pick.
Well, he's been on the bench through most of his time off right? That to me tosses out grades as it would be more likely that he wouldn't be allowed to be part of any aspect of the team is it were. If it were rules(I'm assuming you mean breaking AG's rules for how he conducts himself during practices and such) that would mean to me he is very defiant for it to last this long and would then most likely fall into the category of transferring.

However, if it was both sides giving up on each other, it seems to me that it would be in boths' interest for him not be involved with the team anymore including being on the bench in street clothes.

My guess would still be injury for the reasons mentioned above and usually when it's anything else, we get smoke before the fire and rumors would have leaked out by now.
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... including being on the bench in street clothes.
Based on my observation, this is usually a pretty good indicator of an injury/ailment. Let's hope it's that "simple" of an answer.

We have what appears to be a strong class coming in, but that means nothing until they pan out and contribute on the court. Even if they do, Moul will likely be our only "brute" and that should earn him some playing time with Jordy gone. Nobody else on the squad shows any signs of stepping into that role.
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Please forgive me for a dumb question: I suppose this may have been discussed but I missed it. How did/does this "college basketball eligibility" affect the Seniors? For example, could Chatman come back next year if he hadn't played 50% of the games this season? They've all finished their 4 years, right, though their eligibility to reach their 4 years was extended?
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Please forgive me for a dumb question: I suppose this may have been discussed but I missed it. How did/does this "college basketball eligibility" affect the Seniors? For example, could Chatman come back next year if he hadn't played 50% of the games this season? They've all finished their 4 years, right, though their eligibility to reach their 4 years was extended?
The simplest way to explain it is that everybody who played college basketball this season, has 4 other seasons of eligibility(counting past and future). This season does not count toward the 4 years of eligibility.

However, I doubt there will be many players throughout the country taking advantage of the extra season and I doubt there will be any on the Flyers. Chatman would seem logical if anyone does due to injuries, but remember, that would make next year his 6th in school.
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Bayliner...he thinks he has a yacht.
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However, I doubt there will be many players throughout the country taking advantage of the extra season and I doubt there will be any on the Flyers.
I am interested to see how this pans out. The consensus seems to be that not many will come back, but I am 20 years removed from college and would come back for an extra year now if I could. Not sure why so many think nobody will come back (not just at UD). I suspect there may be more returning players across the country than many think.
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I am interested to see how this pans out. The consensus seems to be that not many will come back, but I am 20 years removed from college and would come back for an extra year now if I could. Not sure why so many think nobody will come back (not just at UD). I suspect there may be more returning players across the country than many think.
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Yep, some people are just saying this with no rhyme or reason as to why people would or wouldn't come back and just how important some of those reasons are to specific players.First off, a player can improve their game. By improving your game maybe you have a much better chance to make money in this game going forward.Secondly, who wants to leave playing in front of basically nobody? There are a lot of good enthusiastic basketball schools that have a fanatical backing and a lot of players just don't want to go out playing basically an intramural year of basketball with just a couple hundred fans in the stands. There are plenty of players that don't want to go out this way. Third, plenty of players will want to take advantage of another free year of education in pursuing their degree or getting a master's degree. And fourth, without knowing a specific schools situation in regards to just how good they can be next year, many coaches will want a player or two from their team to come back to assume leadership roles and to just make that team better. Some schools are top heavy in seniors and I can see why their coach would like to mesh a couple of players that played this year and have them take advantage of coming back another year just to mesh with the youth in that program going forward.

A main reason that many people are skeptical of players taking advantage of this rule is that players want to go out and make money as it's their time to enter the real world. Naturally, some players will feel this way and don't want to go back to school because that's not what they're there for. But there are plenty of others that will sit down and take a hard look at what the benefits are in this. I think there will be more players than we assume that will come back and take advantage of this. It can certainly be a win-win for both the player and the school in many instances.

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I don’t think we’ll see many seniors return. If you’re a difference maker on a D1 team you are almost guaranteed making good money oversees. Additionally, as pertains to the Flyers, 3 of the 4 have already redshirted and are 23-24 years old. They just aren’t staying especially after celebrating Senior night.
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  • "Crucher has started 113 games." - FALSE - He's started 104 games. He's played in 113 games. John Crosby started the 9 games Crutcher did not.
  • "He now has 1,529 career points, 17th on the list of UD's all-time top scorers." - FALSE - 1,529 is correct but that is currently 18th on the all-time list.
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I don’t think we’ll see many seniors return. If you’re a difference maker on a D1 team you are almost guaranteed making good money oversees. Additionally, as pertains to the Flyers, 3 of the 4 have already redshirted and are 23-24 years old. They just aren’t staying especially after celebrating Senior night.
exactly. And let's add there's an ethical part of this too. Players were recruited with at least some expectations that they aren't going to have the rug pulled out from under them with unplanned upper-classmen taking their playing time. If Chatman staying is at the expense of gaining experience for Brea, Frazier, Smith, Greer, Cohill or RJ that could cause unwanted issues going forward. Especially Brea and Frazier who probably knew they wouldn't get much playing time their freshman seasons but would feel they are being thrown under the bus their sophomore seasons to bring back a Chatman.
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exactly. And let's add there's an ethical part of this too. Players were recruited with at least some expectations that they aren't going to have the rug pulled out from under them with unplanned upper-classmen taking their playing time. If Chatman staying is at the expense of gaining experience for Brea, Frazier, Smith, Greer, Cohill or RJ that could cause unwanted issues going forward. Especially Brea and Frazier who probably knew they wouldn't get much playing time their freshman seasons but would feel they are being thrown under the bus their sophomore seasons to bring back a Chatman.
I have a feeling Luke is moving on
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I have a feeling Luke is moving on
What is that feeling based on? Anything substantial or just the amount of playing time he had this season? If it's the latter, you could've said the same about Cohill and Trey during their freshman seasons and would've been wrong.

Anyway, let's say Frazier moves on, that still leaves Weaver, Cohill, Brea, Smith, Greer and RJ vying for playing time and it wouldn't be fair to any of them to have Chatman come back and push them down the ladder. If Chatman wishes to play a big leadership role with someone, he's probably going to have to find a different basketball program that's as, if not more, prestigious as UD's and that needs a PG to complete them.

Seriously, this free year is not going to be taken advantage of as much as fans are wishing it so. Remember, this wouldn't only effect next year, but the next 4 years. And it's just not worth it to mess with recruiting classes for coaches, even if it does improve their team a little for one season.
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What is that feeling based on? Anything substantial or just the amount of playing time he had this season? If it's the latter, you could've said the same about Cohill and Trey during their freshman seasons and would've been wrong.
Cohill averaged 15 mpg over 33 games his freshman year. Trey averaged 5.8 mpg over 9 games his freshman year. Frazier has played a total of 6 minutes over one game. That's a little bit different, especially than Cohill.
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Cohill averaged 15 mpg over 33 games his freshman year. Trey averaged 5.8 mpg over 9 games his freshman year. Frazier has played a total of 6 minutes over one game. That's a little bit different, especially than Cohill.
Different yes, but also the circumstances too. Frazier didn't get early playing time and one assumption was that he wasn't well, then his appendectomy happened and we don't know if that was a late diagnosis. By the time he was finally ready to play, he might just be too far behind due to illness to have a role this season. WE DON'T know, but it's plausible. Weaver's sudden availability probably also pushed him out of the rotation. We will be losing 3 guards most likely and gaining 3 so we really don't know what his planned role will be. But to automatically assume he's transferring based on his playing time is short-sighted imo.
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Different yes, but also the circumstances too. Frazier didn't get early playing time and one assumption was that he wasn't well, then his appendectomy happened and we don't know if that was a late diagnosis. By the time he was finally ready to play, he might just be too far behind due to illness to have a role this season. WE DON'T know, but it's plausible. Weaver's sudden availability probably also pushed him out of the rotation. We will be losing 3 guards most likely and gaining 3 so we really don't know what his planned role will be. But to automatically assume he's transferring based on his playing time is short-sighted imo.

Frazier didn’t even get in during garbage time vs St. Louis. Tells me he has very limited likelyhood of playing here.
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Frazier didn’t even get in during garbage time vs St. Louis. Tells me he has very limited likelyhood of playing here.
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Are you really that dense? Seriously?

How much garbage time was there? Brea got 2 minutes, and get this, Very Little SENIOR Camron Greer got 1 minute. I don't know much about Greer but by his size I'm guessing he's a walk-on PG and that's the same position Frazier plays. And being it was Senior Night, well, I'll let you figure out the rest.
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Are you really that dense? Seriously?

How much garbage time was there? Brea got 2 minutes, and get this, Very Little SENIOR Camron Greer got 1 minute. I don't know much about Greer but by his size I'm guessing he's a walk-on PG and that's the same position Frazier plays. And being it was Senior Night, well, I'll let you figure out the rest.
1 appearance... one... he’s gone. Joining the conga line of Frankie, Jordan Davis, Crosby, X Williams, not everyone is cut out for this level.
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Cohill averaged 15 mpg over 33 games his freshman year. Trey averaged 5.8 mpg over 9 games his freshman year. Frazier has played a total of 6 minutes over one game. That's a little bit different, especially than Cohill.
And some of this dialogue has some of the same rhetoric that was said about Sissoko who many assumed he was in the doghouse, had grade issues, was a malcontent, won't be in the rotation next year and/or needs to transfer. How are all those assumptions working out considering we now find out the kid has been hurt and needs surgery.

So you really think that Trey's situation was worse than Frazier's? Frazier was sick/hurt well over half this season.Add in the games UD was in that were tightly contested and fighting for each and every win that they could get you just don't throw in a kid that missed the time he did. Hell, the game he did play in he had two steals and got to the FT line. Plus we have no idea how he is now and if Grant simply told him to get healthy and let's start from scratch next year.

Trey played in 9 games out of 31-32 games or whatever it was. Plus, he was visibly upset and let it be known. To me that is a far bigger scream that there's a real possibility that he's transferring than Frazier who hasn't said boo.

This has been a crazy year for all these players. UD could be losing a total of 5 players off the roster as it stood at the beginning of this season if you include Chase Johnson with 3 of them being guards. I don't care who is coming in next year that is very intriguing I'd bet to Frazier. I always like to side on the "I don't know" aspect unless we really do know the facts.

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And some of this dialogue has some of the same rhetoric that was said about Sissoko who many assumed he was in the doghouse, had grade issues, was a malcontent, won't be in the rotation next year and/or needs to transfer. How are all those assumptions working out considering we now find out the kid has been hurt and needs surgery.

So you really think that Trey's situation was worse than Frazier's? Frazier was sick/hurt well over half this season.Add in the games UD was in that were tightly contested and fighting for each and every win that they could get you just don't throw in a kid that missed the time he did. Hell, the game he did play in he had two steals and got to the FT line. Plus we have no idea how he is now and if Grant simply told him to get healthy and let's start from scratch next year.

Trey played in 9 games out of 31-32 games or whatever it was. Plus, he was visibly upset and let it be known. To me that is a far bigger scream that there's a real possibility that he's transferring than Frazier who hasn't said boo.

This has been a crazy year for all these players. UD could be losing a total of 5 players off the roster as it stood at the beginning of this season if you include Chase Johnson with 3 of them being guards. I don't care who is coming in next year that is very intriguing I'd bet to Frazier. I always like to side on the "I don't know" aspect unless we really do know the facts.
I have never said anything about Frazier transferring, that was somebody else. I was just pointing out that his situation so far is not like Trey and especially not like Cohill, who played a lot as a freshman. Plus didn't we find out Trey had a sports hernia his freshman year, yet he still played more than Frazier has?
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I'm sorry. Seniors with a fire in the belly don't give up 18 3's. They just don't.
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Im ready for this group of seniors to move on. It’s time to reset with a new group of players. It’s not working, looking forward to a brighter future.
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Really disappointed that this group of Seniors is not a cohesive unit, but rather seems to be a collection of individuals. I mean, even with the “poisoned well” that was our team chemistry from the midway point of the 2015-16 season until the end of the following season, Scoochie, Kyle, and Kendall were a unified group. I’m not seeing that kind of unity with our current Seniors.

And the thing that’s upsetting me the most about CAG this season is, when he came in 4 years ago, he seemed to have a bit of Norman Dale in him, where if you didn’t play (and, presumably, practice) the right way, you didn’t see the court. “The right way” seemed to involve hustling and playing smart. And here we are, 4 years later, and we see a team that doesn’t consistently hustle or play smart. We’re almost back to the “systematic substitution” days of BG, except there seems to be no system to the substitutions (or the lack thereof). It’s as if CAG feels sorry that the Seniors didn’t get the taste of The Dance last year, and he’s giving them an exceedingly long leash as a result. In the process, we’re losing the habits and disciplines that led to 29-2. And that’s what concerns me the most.
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T-Bone, well made points. I mentioned this last night-AG won’t bench his seniors even when they are hurting the team. I don’t understand this. Sometimes you just have to sit guys if they’re not producing.
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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 View Post
Really disappointed that this group of Seniors is not a cohesive unit, but rather seems to be a collection of individuals. I mean, even with the “poisoned well” that was our team chemistry from the midway point of the 2015-16 season until the end of the following season, Scoochie, Kyle, and Kendall were a unified group. I’m not seeing that kind of unity with our current Seniors.

And the thing that’s upsetting me the most about CAG this season is, when he came in 4 years ago, he seemed to have a bit of Norman Dale in him, where if you didn’t play (and, presumably, practice) the right way, you didn’t see the court. “The right way” seemed to involve hustling and playing smart. And here we are, 4 years later, and we see a team that doesn’t consistently hustle or play smart. We’re almost back to the “systematic substitution” days of BG, except there seems to be no system to the substitutions (or the lack thereof). It’s as if CAG feels sorry that the Seniors didn’t get the taste of The Dance last year, and he’s giving them an exceedingly long leash as a result. In the process, we’re losing the habits and disciplines that led to 29-2. And that’s what concerns me the most.
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Jalen gave everything he had to give. But they had to carry this substitution thing as far as they could--no bench. 39 minutes/game finally got to him. Ibi proved over and over that he is a 2/3. Trying to talk your way into believing you had a Chase, Trey, Ryan, healthy Chatman waiting to be tapped is fools gold.

No magic substitution formula was going to make up for the lack of experience that we were faced with. Yes, we were able to rally our talent for stretches, but mostly we were a win one, lose one, team this season. And it's why we are unlikely to make noise in the Tournament. Too thin, too many minutes for our best players.

I won't be surprised at whatever game we bring against the Bonnies. That's who we are this season.
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I just think overall this has been a very disappointing season for a team with the "best backcourt in the country"....
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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 View Post
Really disappointed that this group of Seniors is not a cohesive unit, but rather seems to be a collection of individuals. I mean, even with the “poisoned well” that was our team chemistry from the midway point of the 2015-16 season until the end of the following season, Scoochie, Kyle, and Kendall were a unified group. I’m not seeing that kind of unity with our current Seniors.

And the thing that’s upsetting me the most about CAG this season is, when he came in 4 years ago, he seemed to have a bit of Norman Dale in him, where if you didn’t play (and, presumably, practice) the right way, you didn’t see the court. “The right way” seemed to involve hustling and playing smart. And here we are, 4 years later, and we see a team that doesn’t consistently hustle or play smart. We’re almost back to the “systematic substitution” days of BG, except there seems to be no system to the substitutions (or the lack thereof). It’s as if CAG feels sorry that the Seniors didn’t get the taste of The Dance last year, and he’s giving them an exceedingly long leash as a result. In the process, we’re losing the habits and disciplines that led to 29-2. And that’s what concerns me the most.
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When I supervised managers I expected them to handle the people under them. It was the managers job to see that his people got the job done and done right.

I have now heard Grant mention at least 4 times that he didn't prepare his players well, he had them in the wrong positions, the players didn't come to play, on ..... and on .... and on.

If I had a manager tell me something similar 3 times, I wouldn't be thinking of getting rid of the people under that manager. No, I would seriously consider getting rid of the manager first.

Sorry to say that. It may sound strong but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. It's his job to see what needs to happen and if it's not happening then actions need to be taken. Seniors or no seniors, good guys or not, allowing the same players to do the same thing (which isn't working) is not a recipe for success.

If Grant is 'protecting' his players and taking the blame then his own future is in peril. The players may feel a bit insulated if the coach is willing to fall on the sword for them. Then that is a major issue to move forward with.

Yes Grant may be limited in personnel but maybe you got to start (this late in the season ugh!. Too Late!) sitting people for a game and put another player in the spot. The team can't look much worse than they already have shown. I mean it can't can it?
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I doubt that AG's future is "in peril". He is here long haul, a couple of idiot posters not withstanding.
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