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Old 10-04-2017, 01:42 PM
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So the senate made a statement today on their findings from their special committee. They conclude that Russia did try to interfere in the election. No statements about Trump, or if Russia tried to favor Clinton or Trump.

What a great expenditure of money and time to come to basically no conclusion that was not obvious without this committee. The Senate, and most of these special committees are a joke.
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Old 10-04-2017, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
How is the GOP Congress dysfunctional? With the exception of a small number of moderate Republicans, who are holding everything back, the GOP Congress so far has pretty much tried to do some of what they said they would do.

The GOP so far has folded on budgetary matters it seems. Still no wall funding. Still an out of control deficit situation.
Please list the accomplishments of the GOP Congress since January.
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Old 10-05-2017, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by IAFlyer View Post
Please list the accomplishments of the GOP Congress since January.
Yeah, fair enough, nothing really, in terms of major legislation: tried to get Ocare repealed/healthcare reform done, also passed sanctions against Russia, North Korea, and Iran, and an appropriations bill, and that's it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/115t...or_legislation




Obama's Senate supermajority and House majority got done: Ocare, Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform, and the stimulus, among others.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/111t...or_legislation



GWB had both houses for 4 straight years and got done: Medicare reform/Medicare Part D, border fencing(although not fully funded), and the partial birth abortion ban, among others.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/108t...or_legislation

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/109t...or_legislation




Clinton had both houses for 2 years and got done: the Brady bill, NAFTA, and don't ask don't tell, among others.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/103r...or_legislation




It is extremely hard/almost impossible for Congress to get anything major done, especially something that is bipartisan, even when the president has both houses on his side.

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Old 10-05-2017, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by IAFlyer View Post
Please list the accomplishments of the GOP Congress since January.
Please list the accomplishments of Congress, period, since Obamacare (and I am being generous to say that is an accomplishment).
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Old 10-05-2017, 11:18 AM
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Other than Russian collusion with Facebook, what have we learned about Russian interference so far?
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Old 10-16-2017, 01:52 PM
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Other than Russian collusion with Facebook, what have we learned about Russian interference so far?

Interesting take, on the Russian-financed Facebook ads, from Mark Penn, who was the chief strategist for Hillary's POTUS run in 2008. He was also Hillary's 2000 Senate run chief strategist and Bill's 1996 POTUS run chief strategist.


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In a new opinion piece for the Wall Street Journal, Mark Penn, former chief strategist for Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign, makes the argument that the Facebook ads Russia purchased did not win President Trump the election.

Penn, who was also chief strategist on Bill Clinton’s 1996 presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton’s 2000 Senate campaign, writes that putting too much weight behind Russia’s involvement — there is proof that some $100,000 worth of ads came from accounts associated with Russia — could cause Washington to regulate the internet and “curtail basic freedoms.”

According to Penn, besides the Facebook ads, there were three 90-minute debates, two televised party conventions and $2.4 billion spent on the campaign. Penn writes that Facebook says 56 percent of the ads ran after the election, and not all ads ran in swing states, but also New York, California, and Texas. Factoring all that in brings the total down to $22,000 by Penn’s calculations. Plus, Facebook counted ads as early as June 2015, and most ads did not solicit support for a candidate. Penn writes that all this drops the number to $6,500.

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The horse is dead, but it was ridden so hard that it will not disappear from Democratic talking points. It has become driven so solidly into the minds of the viewers of CNN, network news, CNBC, etc, that they will never be able to let it go. It is a conspiracy theory that has been mis-represented as fact for so long that is has created it's own reality in the minds of the sheep.
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Old 10-17-2017, 09:41 AM
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http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...administration

This should be the Russian story.

Before the Obama administration approved a controversial deal in 2010 giving Moscow control of a large swath of American uranium, the FBI had gathered substantial evidence that Russian nuclear industry officials were engaged in bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering designed to grow Vladimir Putin’s atomic energy business inside the United States, according to government documents and interviews.
Federal agents used a confidential U.S. witness working inside the Russian nuclear industry to gather extensive financial records, make secret recordings and intercept emails as early as 2009 that showed Moscow had compromised an American uranium trucking firm with bribes and kickbacks in violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, FBI and court documents show.
They also obtained an eyewitness account — backed by documents — indicating Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton's charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow, sources told The Hill.
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Old 10-17-2017, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Fudd View Post
The horse is dead, but it was ridden so hard that it will not disappear from Democratic talking points. It has become driven so solidly into the minds of the viewers of CNN, network news, CNBC, etc, that they will never be able to let it go. It is a conspiracy theory that has been mis-represented as fact for so long that is has created it's own reality in the minds of the sheep.
It reminds you of the Bush-Gore Florida hanging chad conspiracy theory. Regardless of multiple investigations all coming to the same conclusion that Bush legitimately won Florida, you still hear liberals make claims that he stole the election and wasn't a legitimate President.

It'll happen again the next time a Republican wins the Presidency. Liberals will create a whole new conspiracy without any proof, and it will live on in infamy.
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