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Gonna start this early. As we are up 58-37.
This is the worst Umass i've seen in a while. Not much of offense. No one underneath when they put up shots.
And early n the game they missed lots of wide open layups, easy shots and opportunities.
the GOOD:
1) Sam Miller - making some nice moves and shot selection . Hit 2 FT's and looks confident on the line. Is he finding his groove ? That said, not a lot of resistance defensively down low by UMass on him and on Big Steve.
2) John Crosby is starting to score and show positive flashes of passing and shooting. Awesome. We need him to give positive minutes when the Scoochinator isn't in the game
3) i like that pollard is out for tonight. Gives us some different looks, and minutes for Sam, Steve and some good passing by Pierre and Steve, and some different chemistry among players
4) Tre Davis and Hinds really throwing up **** shots. We'll take it.
The BAD
1) Some bad , stupid turnovers by us. This team doesn't seem as sharp, as quick , as smart as our teams the last 2 years. Always some bonehead plays show up. tonigt, we're able to gloss over them , since it's a route.
Cause for Concern still
2)Scooch still seems a little off. But not too worried
3) DD made some nice aggressive moves, looks quicker than last year. But 2 dumb turnovers i saw . Not his best game, but does have 4 assists at 6 minutes remaining. So he's moving the ball better this year.
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UMass was dreadful. What's their offense? Three guards attempting to create? Watched them play La Salle the other day, and it was exactly what we saw today. The only good thing today was confidence building for those that needed it, and minutes for some of the freshman. Time to forget this one, and focus on the next one.
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At least it's a confidence builder for our Offense.
And i doubt anyone picked THAT Score in our Guess the Score Competition
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Originally Posted by Jeff
UMass was dreadful. What's their offense? Three guards attempting to create? Watched them play La Salle the other day, and it was exactly what we saw today. The only good thing today was confidence building for those that needed it, and minutes for some of the freshman. Time to forget this one, and focus on the next one.
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C'mon Jeff, nobody told us to forget the avier game so let us(and the team) soak in an easy one for about 12 hours
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C'mon Jeff, nobody told us to forget the avier game so let us(and the team) soak in an easy one for about 12 hours
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Originally Posted by Flyer 86
At least it's a confidence builder for our Offense.
And i doubt anyone picked THAT Score in our Guess the Score Competition
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Our DEFENSE is really good this year
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Originally Posted by Flyer 86
At least it's a confidence builder for our Offense.
And i doubt anyone picked THAT Score in our Guess the Score Competition
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UMass scored 63 stinking points and a number of those when we were not going to foul and starters out.
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We looked dominant. Big Steve is really good for a redshirt frosh. I like how even the commentators at halftime refer to him as "Big Steve".
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Originally Posted by Fudd
We looked dominant. Big Steve is really good for a redshirt frosh. I like how even the commentators at halftime refer to him as "Big Steve".
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One thing that really impresses me with this Flyer team is how many of them can score with their off (mostly left) hand. Charles had a pretty move through the lane and scored with the left tonight. Scooch uses the left hand routinely. Steve can not only lay it in with either hand but also shoots the hook shot with either paw.
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No hyperventilating, no nail-biting, no heart attacks tonight. It's been so long since we've had a game like that, I hardly knew how to act, lol. It was good we had Pierre to start for Pollard and a lop-sided score for our freshmen to get lots of minutes. So enjoyable! I also loved seeing Derek Kellogg beside himself. Posters on both fan sites I looked at expected UMass to keep it close. Were shocked at the blow-out.
Hope our guys can keep it up. Road games always scare me, even against "lower level" teams. UMass beat LaSalle last Sun by 7. Maybe that's a good sign.
Go Flyers!
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Originally Posted by Flyer 86
2)Scooch still seems a little off. But not too worried
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I think SS has played tremendously better the last 3-4 games. He has taken the role of a facilitator the last few games, not a scorer. He is taking what the D is giving him instead of forcing it.
Tonight - 4Assists, 0 TO
DUQ - 6Assists, 0 TO
ARK - 7Assits, 2 TO
Miami - 4Assists, 1 TO
21 Assists, 3 TO.
7:1 Assist to Turnover Ratio. That's nasty. NCAA leader is at 6:1.
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Originally Posted by Jeff
UMass was dreadful. What's their offense? Three guards attempting to create? Watched them play La Salle the other day, and it was exactly what we saw today. The only good thing today was confidence building for those that needed it, and minutes for some of the freshman. Time to forget this one, and focus on the next one.
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Well, fair enough, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it has been a long, hard climb to get to this level that we are currently enjoying.
Nothing has come easy for this program for a long time, especially A10 wins, so I say sit back and enjoy this easy A10 win for a little while, after all, these type of wins haven't come around here very often for a long while.
I don't take wins like this for granted.
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Allie LaForce stroll across the arena floor.
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One thing I noticed: Pierre made two bullet passes to Big Steve (one of the 'no-look' variety), both of which resulted in TOs. Archie was not pleased. That's a pass DP can make to Kendall, but he has to realize that Steve isn't gonna catch them.
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As always, can't look too much into 30 point wins or 30 point losses. Thing is, even if Dayton was their average selves tonight they still win by double digits going away. A lot to be pleased about tonight but I just want to mention Crosby. Great game tonight and is clearly building confidence. Anytime you can get Scooch that much rest its a good thing. Have to remember Scooch still has another year and a half of play. We need to avoid situations where he is playing 35 minutes and having to handle the ball the entire time. I think a slight emergency of Crosby has helped Scooch's game and brought his turnovers down.
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Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows
One thing I noticed: Pierre made two bullet passes to Big Steve (one of the 'no-look' variety), both of which resulted in TOs. Archie was not pleased. That's a pass DP can make to Kendall, but he has to realize that Steve isn't gonna catch them.
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Radio announcers commented on this. Said coaches talk about KYP (know your personnel). Said Pierre has to know Steve can't handle a pass that is as hot as he sent into him twice. Good point about Pollard could have. AM pulled Pierre after the 2nd one. Message was probably delivered.
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Listened to Bucky and Larry and noticed that there was a point where the Flyers took about 7-8 straight 3 pointers. Seems like they're resorting back to the BG era and depending solely on the 3 ball. Luckily it worked out this time, but could have had another Duquesne-type showing if those don't fall. They finally realized that feeding it down low to Big Steve is another way to get points on the board.
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We need to get DD more shots, or he needs to create more. He should be taking 5-7 threes a game, and has disappeared in the last few.
Crosby's spin move in the lane in the first half where he got an and-one was nasty. That got me back on his bandwagon IMMEDIATELY.
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Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows
One thing I noticed: Pierre made two bullet passes to Big Steve (one of the 'no-look' variety), both of which resulted in TOs. Archie was not pleased. That's a pass DP can make to Kendall, but he has to realize that Steve isn't gonna catch them.
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Reading Archie's lips after the 2nd pass when he took Pierre out of the game was classic
BTW Swampy I just got my Alumni Magazine and saw that Chris Cage passed away. Sad to see that. I know you were friends with him. He and I both graduated in 1970 and spent several car rides together going back home to Western NY.
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We had 4 TOs in the first half and finished with 12. That's the "big" negative. There are always "smaller" negatives to work on, but for this game the 2nd half TOs were the only big one in my opinion.
Otherwise I think the team did exactly what this team needed to do at this point in the season. They beat a team they should have beaten and they beat them bad. As a fan, you have to be happy about that. One game is not a trend, but congrats to the team and coaching staff for taking a big step forward after a string of so-so wins. Now go beat Lasalle bad on the road and get this thing rolling in the right direction.
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I know the game is 40 minutes but you have to discount anything that happened after the 10 minute mark of the first half. Our guys were not as intense and UMass was looking for the door.
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Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows
One thing I noticed: Pierre made two bullet passes to Big Steve (one of the 'no-look' variety), both of which resulted in TOs. Archie was not pleased. That's a pass DP can make to Kendall, but he has to realize that Steve isn't gonna catch them.
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Originally Posted by BeckysTXA
Radio announcers commented on this. Said coaches talk about KYP (know your personnel). Said Pierre has to know Steve can't handle a pass that is as hot as he sent into him twice. Good point about Pollard could have. AM pulled Pierre after the 2nd one. Message was probably delivered.
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Reading Archie's lips after the 2nd pass when he took Pierre out of the game was classic
BTW Swampy I just got my Alumni Magazine and saw that Chris Cage passed away. Sad to see that. I know you were friends with him. He and I both graduated in 1970 and spent several car rides together going back home to Western NY.
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Archie was unusually animated when he took Pierre out of the game after the second one. Said something about "Bo Schembechler" or "boat shoes", somehow "BS" related to the quality of the decision. And I mean he really let Pierre have it.
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If this was Fordham, I'd say maybe not such a big deal, but UMass has usually always been at least decent, and the Flyers were defending their ranking, so I am very pleased with this outcome, regardless of how UMass played.
Just shows you how people have raised their expectation level for the program, some are dissing a 30 point A10 win.
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UMass was as bad of a defensive team as we have faced in recent memory. Their guys had little interest in guarding or helping. That dunk Kyle had down the lane was the poster child for their D. The guy guards Kyle from behind and no one slides over or even looks to help. Great move by Kyle to take advantage.
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Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows
One thing I noticed: Pierre made two bullet passes to Big Steve (one of the 'no-look' variety), both of which resulted in TOs. Archie was not pleased. That's a pass DP can make to Kendall, but he has to realize that Steve isn't gonna catch them.
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Steve has good hands. Kendall or Beckham from the Giants would not have been able to catch them. You can't throw bullets when you are too close to your target.
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I don't think you can overstate how much of a different team we are with Steve on the court. Cook is going to get his, Pierre is going to get his, SS is going to play great. But we're a top 15, maybe threatening a top 10 team when Steve plays well.
Hey Meford, did you like the beauty of the offensive game last night for UMass? 7 assists on 22 FG's. Your kind of offense. UD had 25 assists on 34 field goals to score 93 points. I like that a lot.
Huge confidence boost for Crosby and Sam. Conference play will bring a little bit "weaker" opponents than some of our pre-conference schedule that will help build them up and prepare them for post season.
Some people have been just slamming Sam Miller. A 6'9" freshman big man is NOT going to excel right from the start at UD. (Steve is a year older.) Otherwise he'd be at Duke or Kansas. The fact that we're seeing flashes of good play tells me we have a lot to look forward to. Most of our big men have historically not even got off the bench their freshman year.
For a guy averaging only a few minutes per game and about a point a game, Crosby was screwing around a little bit too much for my liking. Just a bit too much smiling. I hope this loosens him up for the rest of the season but going forward let's act like we've been there before.
I think this is the excuse Miller needed to re-insert Pierre into the starting lineup. I think he stays there now.
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Part of the problem lies with Big Steve. He hasn't had much time to play on the court with Pierre, having sat the bench in foul trouble each of the prior two games for long stretches. Pierre is w/o question the best passer on this team, he'd got an uncanny knack for making passes from awkward angles to guys that are wide open. Pollard is use to seeing those passes, looking for them, most importantly anticipating them; Big Steve was no where close to being ready to receive a pass from Pierre in either of the last 2. The last one was on Pierre in my mind, the first one was squarely on Big Steve. He'll get used to it over the course of the season as they play more together and he'll start anticipating it so that he's ready; it will lead to 2 or 3 easy buckets for Steve a game if he can, Pierre got him one yesterday, should have been 2 if Steve was ready, and the 3rd one had too much zip on it.
Its tough to take too much away from the 2nd half when UD was playing a ton of frosh, UMass had little interest in playing defense most of the night, and had no interest in playing team offense for the last 15 minutes or so in the 2nd half, it was all "I'm going to get mine" basketball, which I think UD was fully happy to let them do so long as UD wasn't fouling. With that said, as many of said, Crosby was a joy to watch last night. I've noticed him making the transition the last few games, mostly on the defensive end where his defensive footwork guarding his man has been much improved. Last night was all about getting his offense in sink. We're starting to see the potential this kid has, would be great if UD could get a solid 4-8 min a half out of him, keeping Scooch down around 30 min a game.
Daryl Davis was back to fading away on his 3 pointers last night, at least on a few occasions; he misses them when he starts fading away. With that said, he help defense has picked up a ton and he's so much more efficient attacking the rim this season.
Wish Mikesell could have picked up a few more minutes, he's got a smooth offensive game. If he's last off the bench this season, hard to see where he picks up minutes next season when they add Landers and a Cunningham (a former top 100 recruit) and only loss Pierre. Hopefully he "keeps at", I can see him as a future 6th man of the year type player in conference play, if not a starter at the 2 guard spot when Kyle graduates.
Miller keeps improving; keeps adding valuable minutes. The offseason will help him tremendously as he builds up lower body strength.
Williams, Pollard, Cunningham, Steve & Miller are going to give UD an awfully tough rotation in the post next season.
OK, so UMass isn't all that good, and they certainly played even worse last night than usual, but its definitely fun to win a game they were supposed to win in a cake walk, rather than grinding it down to the wire.
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Hey Meford, did you like the beauty of the offensive game last night for UMass? 7 assists on 22 FG's. Your kind of offense. UD had 25 assists on 34 field goals to score 93 points. I like that a lot.
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Yes, I loved the "beauty" of the UMass offense last night, as a UD fan, but lots not pretend they looked anything like what I saw for the first 40 minutes from either Kansas or Okie the other night. I also loved the "beauty" of the UMass defense last night as well; don't think it looked too much like anything I saw out of that game as well.
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Listened to Bucky and Larry and noticed that there was a point where the Flyers took about 7-8 straight 3 pointers. Seems like they're resorting back to the BG era and depending solely on the 3 ball. Luckily it worked out this time, but could have had another Duquesne-type showing if those don't fall. They finally realized that feeding it down low to Big Steve is another way to get points on the board.
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My opinion is that the main element the crowd gives, erupting exuberance in the form of loud and concerted cheering, often proves to be too enticing for players to hold back on treys they wouldn't normally shoot. Especially in cake-walks.
Some more than others are due to a lack of discipline and/or maturity. Teams of the past had to resort to the three as a diversion to mask the absence of running a complex structured offense. Now it's just another tool in the toolbox.
Putting that on film will make Lasalle, Davidson and GW think twice about packing it in against us. Pierre's passing has made more of a positive difference for this team than any other attribute he brings to the team so far imo.
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Just think if we had not gone into that 0-9 funk on threes in the middle of the game. We would have broken 100 for sure.
BTW how about that free throw shooting. 14 of 18, and we made our first 13.
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I have to give a shout out to Kyle, even though I voted for Crosby. Kyle's full portfolio of disrupting intuitive moves were on display last night. Many go unnoticed because they are so subtle. But he snatched 3 rebounds away from bigs, caused turnovers, attacked the rim relentlessly, pestered every UMass player with his quick hands, played good defense, had FOUR steals and countless other deflections that UMass was lucky to get back, and he took good shots and made a good %, leaked out on the break for a dunk.
Kyle was a one man gang last night.
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Kyle also stole the opening tip.... UMass won the tip, but Kyle stepped in before UMass 'caught' the tip. Then in the first offensive possession, someone (Pierre maybe) made a bad pass out front. Kyle saved it from going out of bounds and reset offense.
He had two fairly incredible displays of speed and anticipation in the first 30 seconds.
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Some of us questioned why our guys, especially Kyle were not helping on defense when the bigs got the ball down low. Well Kyle did it multiple times last night. It resulted in less scoring, some turnovers, and Steve fouling less. Kyle works very hard to exhaustion when he does it, but it has a huge effect.
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BTW how about that free throw shooting. 14 of 18, and we made our first 13.
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I've been holding this back, but you had to bring it up.
The magic time is the 10 minute mark of the 2nd half.
For the first half, and first half of the 2nd half, we are 153/210 or 72.9%.
The last 10 minutes of the 2nd half, we are 66/114, or 57.9%. We drop 15 percentage points when the end of the game comes around.
Here are the 5 minute breakouts for the FT shooting on this team:
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half_num | timesection | ftm | fta | ftpct
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1 | 3 | 21 | 30 | 0.700
1 | 2 | 9 | 13 | 0.692
1 | 1 | 37 | 51 | 0.725
1 | 0 | 36 | 52 | 0.692
2 | 3 | 33 | 41 | 0.805
2 | 2 | 17 | 23 | 0.739
2 | 1 | 21 | 37 | 0.568
2 | 0 | 45 | 77 | 0.584
3 | 0 | 7 | 9 | 0.778
And here are the players' FT information for the last 10 minutes:
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Charles Cooke | 25 | 34 | 0.735
Kendall Pollard | 11 | 25 | 0.440
Kyle Davis | 10 | 18 | 0.556
John Crosby | 3 | 9 | 0.333
Darrell Davis | 7 | 8 | 0.875
Scoochie Smith | 3 | 7 | 0.429
Steve McElvene | 2 | 4 | 0.500
Sam Miller | 4 | 4 | 1.000
Ryan Mikesell | 1 | 3 | 0.333
Bobby Wehrli | 0 | 2 | 0.000
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Originally Posted by jack72
Some of us questioned why our guys, especially Kyle were not helping on defense when the bigs got the ball down low. Well Kyle did it multiple times last night. It resulted in less scoring, some turnovers, and Steve fouling less. Kyle works very hard to exhaustion when he does it, but it has a huge effect.
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And what cracks me up, is when he does something disruptive he often has a grin on his face. He just loves the game and he doesn't get ahead of himself, where some guys just can't calm down and get out of their own way.
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Interesting Figgie, but not surprising. We seem to get tired legs and/or nerves at the end of the game.
Maybe Steve needs to get the ball in the last two minutes of a close game. He is now leads the team at 82%. What a great confident stroke for a big guy.
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Originally Posted by jack72
Interesting Figgie, but not surprising. We seem to get tired legs and/or nerves at the end of the game.
Maybe Steve needs to get the ball in the last two minutes of a close game. He is now leads the team at 82%. What a great confident stroke for a big guy.
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Problem has been that Steve typically has used up all his fouls by the end of the game.
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Originally Posted by Figgie123
I've been holding this back, but you had to bring it up.
The magic time is the 10 minute mark of the 2nd half.
For the first half, and first half of the 2nd half, we are 153/210 or 72.9%.
The last 10 minutes of the 2nd half, we are 66/114, or 57.9%. We drop 15 percentage points when the end of the game comes around.
Here are the 5 minute breakouts for the FT shooting on this team:
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half_num | timesection | ftm | fta | ftpct
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1 | 3 | 21 | 30 | 0.700
1 | 2 | 9 | 13 | 0.692
1 | 1 | 37 | 51 | 0.725
1 | 0 | 36 | 52 | 0.692
2 | 3 | 33 | 41 | 0.805
2 | 2 | 17 | 23 | 0.739
2 | 1 | 21 | 37 | 0.568
2 | 0 | 45 | 77 | 0.584
3 | 0 | 7 | 9 | 0.778
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player | ftm | fta | ftpct
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Charles Cooke | 25 | 34 | 0.735
Kendall Pollard | 11 | 25 | 0.440
Kyle Davis | 10 | 18 | 0.556
John Crosby | 3 | 9 | 0.333
Darrell Davis | 7 | 8 | 0.875
Scoochie Smith | 3 | 7 | 0.429
Steve McElvene | 2 | 4 | 0.500
Sam Miller | 4 | 4 | 1.000
Ryan Mikesell | 1 | 3 | 0.333
Bobby Wehrli | 0 | 2 | 0.000
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Cooke is a really streaky ft shooter for whatever reason. If he has taken 5 and made 4 going into the last 5 minutes, I want the ball in his hands. On the other hand if he is 1 for 4, put someone else at the line. There is a wide range for his ft shooting---game to game.
We don't have a Brian Roberts who could make them when they are exhausted at the end of a tight game. But I do believe for the marginal ft shooting players (say,70% or less), fatigue is a factor. Hard to prove, but Arch demands defensive intensity the whole game, and it may be a factor at the line in a tight game.
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Cooke is totally inconsistent at any time during the game. Right now DD has our top percentage, next to Steve, and best in the last 10 minutes, and may be the man.
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Originally Posted by Figgie123
I've been holding this back, but you had to bring it up.
The magic time is the 10 minute mark of the 2nd half.
For the first half, and first half of the 2nd half, we are 153/210 or 72.9%.
The last 10 minutes of the 2nd half, we are 66/114, or 57.9%. We drop 15 percentage points when the end of the game comes around.
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1 | 3 | 21 | 30 | 0.700
1 | 2 | 9 | 13 | 0.692
1 | 1 | 37 | 51 | 0.725
1 | 0 | 36 | 52 | 0.692
2 | 3 | 33 | 41 | 0.805
2 | 2 | 17 | 23 | 0.739
2 | 1 | 21 | 37 | 0.568
2 | 0 | 45 | 77 | 0.584
3 | 0 | 7 | 9 | 0.778
And here are the players' FT information for the last 10 minutes:
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player | ftm | fta | ftpct
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Charles Cooke | 25 | 34 | 0.735
Kendall Pollard | 11 | 25 | 0.440
Kyle Davis | 10 | 18 | 0.556
John Crosby | 3 | 9 | 0.333
Darrell Davis | 7 | 8 | 0.875
Scoochie Smith | 3 | 7 | 0.429
Steve McElvene | 2 | 4 | 0.500
Sam Miller | 4 | 4 | 1.000
Ryan Mikesell | 1 | 3 | 0.333
Bobby Wehrli | 0 | 2 | 0.000
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I think we need to dissect a little m ore. BW's shots don't count, he's not in the game when it counts. Same for Mikesell and Crosby. So removing them, we drop out 4 makes and 14 misses. Miller may be in the game, but, since he's 4-4 lets drop him out to be fair since we know he's not going to be a go-to guy in a close game. That drops 8 makes and 18 misses, leaving 58 makes and 96 misses, or about 60%. Works out to be about the same number since it's Cooke, Pollard, and Davis taking the shots.
The other thing is that Pierre will soon be contributing to these numbers and that will make them go up I think, maybe not. And KD + SS have been atrocious when in years past they have been very good.
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Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows
One thing I noticed: Pierre made two bullet passes to Big Steve (one of the 'no-look' variety), both of which resulted in TOs. Archie was not pleased. That's a pass DP can make to Kendall, but he has to realize that Steve isn't gonna catch them.
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Swampy: I commented on that with the game thread. Actually, there were four passes like that - bullet or last minute passes to Big Steve that ended up in turnovers. I commented that passing to Big Steve is not like passing to a guard. Players must recognize that Big Steve can't react or perhaps even see some of those waist or chest-high passes. He operates in a relative stratosphere and our passers must recognize that.
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CC may be our best FT shooter . He's 74% with 60 makes. DD and Big Steve haven't taken enough to be telling, just 13 and 14 makes respectively.
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Originally Posted by jack72
Cooke is totally inconsistent at any time during the game. Right now DD has our top percentage, next to Steve, and best in the last 10 minutes, and may be the man.
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Got to peel that onion a bit. Cooke has been phenomenal in half of our games from the line.
Out of 14 games there are 7 where he shot 43/47 = 91%.
The other seven he is 17/34 = 50%. The new Pollard could do better than that. Very odd.
So within any given game Cooke likely will be totally on, or totally off, for the whole game. There have been few in-betweens.
Ps-- Our Centers, Steve and Sam, are hitting over 80% of their freethrows. For a Dayton team that is off the charts for centers.
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Swampy: I commented on that with the game thread. Actually, there were four passes like that - bullet or last minute passes to Big Steve that ended up in turnovers. I commented that passing to Big Steve is not like passing to a guard. Players must recognize that Big Steve can't react or perhaps even see some of those waist or chest-high passes. He operates in a relative stratosphere and our passers must recognize that.
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He's got really good hands. But few 5's in our history could catch a 7 foot bullet in traffic. Guys passing to Steve have got to adjust a bit from that range.
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what last night showed to me is that the Flyers best unit does not include Kendall. IMO Kendall and Steve on the floor at the same time really doesn't work, offensively or defensively. Kendall and Steve on the floor on offense just clog the middle because neither has to be defended on the perimeter. On defense, Kendall is a poor defender on the perimeter. Dyshawn can be paired with either.
Hopefully Kendall learned something last night by watching last night ... defending and rebounding should be his priority and by playing off of his teammates on offense he will get much better opportunities than we he tries to create them himself.
Nobody on this team needs to be a star. Cooke is the best scorer on the team and the offense needs to run through Scoochie and Dyshawn.
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Steve has really soft hands too. I predict that his prowess from the stripe is no fluke. 75%+ for his career. Write it down.
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If and when this team really gels and settles into playing their best basketball, we could be very, very good. I do think that we have a rebounding weakness though when Steve is off the floor. Miller is beginning to come around, but we need a solid back-up center or very physical power forward to carry us over the times when Steve has to sit the bench for rest or foul trouble.
We hit the jackpot with Steve. A freshman center who is already heavily impacting almost every game.
Pierre is like Kyle Davis in that you know we are better because he is doing all kinds of little things on the floor that save our asses, but they don't necessarily show in the stats. He is like having another point guard on the floor with his passing and dribbling prowess. He makes the other players better. For instance, when another team tries to deny Scoochie the ball on the inbounds play and they are pressuring us, Pierre simply dribbles the ball down the floor with ease. Problem solved.
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EXACTLY what Sea Bass said. great post.
Offense flows thru Scooch and DP. Cookes a great scorer in streaks. Interesting without Pollard in there. Him and Steve in there doesn't seem to work. Arch will have to work Pierre and KP / SM and DP combos on the floor to make it work better.
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One problem I see is that both Pollard and McElvene look to occupy the same position on the floor. They don't compliment one another in that regard. Another is neither is a facilitator, so the posession often ends after the ball leaves their hands.
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what last night showed to me is that the Flyers best unit does not include Kendall. IMO Kendall and Steve on the floor at the same time really doesn't work, offensively or defensively. Kendall and Steve on the floor on offense just clog the middle because neither has to be defended on the perimeter. On defense, Kendall is a poor defender on the perimeter. Dyshawn can be paired with either......
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or maybe it was that we hit the open threes that freed up the middle......
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Well, fair enough, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it has been a long, hard climb to get to this level that we are currently enjoying.
Nothing has come easy for this program for a long time, especially A10 wins, so I say sit back and enjoy this easy A10 win for a little while, after all, these type of wins haven't come around here very often for a long while.
I don't take wins like this for granted.
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I'm really starting to see the combination of Steve + KP as a major reason why we've struggled to generate offensive flow.
-In the 1/2 court set, both do their best work on the right block
-Neither is a good enough shooter from 10' to scare the opposition
-Both do great work attacking drivers for blocked shots
-Neither is a particularly good (but not bad) offensive rebounder
-Both get a lot of their offensive rebounds from swooping in from the top, after setting a pick
-Neither is a particularly good (but not bad) passer
In the half court they have largely the same skill set. Why does the team look great with DP on the court with either? Because he's playing the same game regardless of which one he's playing with at center.
Conversely, DP does his best work from anywhere on the court, he's a very effective shooter, doesn't block a lot of shots, and is a great passer.
DP has to be in the starting lineup. KP must go to the bench. I have seen the light.
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I agree with Gazoo but I do think the coaches need to find a way to have Steve, KP and Pierre play together. I am not sure that has really happened since Pierre has been back because Steve was in foul trouble in early games, then KP did not play last night.
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Originally Posted by Gazoo
I'm really starting to see the combination of Steve + KP as a major reason why we've struggled to generate offensive flow.
-In the 1/2 court set, both do their best work on the right block
-Neither is a good enough shooter from 10' to scare the opposition
-Both do great work attacking drivers for blocked shots
-Neither is a particularly good (but not bad) offensive rebounder
-Both get a lot of their offensive rebounds from swooping in from the top, after setting a pick
-Neither is a particularly good (but not bad) passer
In the half court they have largely the same skill set. Why does the team look great with DP on the court with either? Because he's playing the same game regardless of which one he's playing with at center.
Conversely, DP does his best work from anywhere on the court, he's a very effective shooter, doesn't block a lot of shots, and is a great passer.
DP has to be in the starting lineup. KP must go to the bench. I have seen the light.
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How soon we forget sometimes huh? IMO, DP has been the Flyers best player for the past 2 seasons(Soph and Jr) and was a huge loss the first 10 games. I really believe that last season worked mostly because of DP. He was the driving force to making our short team(both in size and in numbers) successful last year. The others could be replaced to a degree and it might have still been somewhat successful, not with DP though.
He has always played more mature than his actual age suggests. And when it's crunch time, nobody is more poised. This has showed up so many times. The first 35 minutes of a game, he's probably about a 65 percent FT shooter. But when we have to have them, he becomes about a 90 percenter. Remember those 3 he shot against the Buckeyes, pretty gutty for a sophomore huh? Let's not forget as a Sophomore, he was the only Flyer to make the all regional team in the NCAA.
You just can't lose your best player/senior leader and not take a big hit. DP is one of the greatest Flyers of all time IMO and as I've argued(with you I believe), the stats will never tell his true story/value.
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How soon we forget sometimes huh? IMO, DP has been the Flyers best player for the past 2 seasons(Soph and Jr) and was a huge loss the first 10 games. I really believe that last season worked mostly because of DP. He was the driving force to making our short team(both in size and in numbers) successful last year. The others could be replaced to a degree and it might have still been somewhat successful, not with DP though.
He has always played more mature than his actual age suggests. And when it's crunch time, nobody is more poised. This has showed up so many times. The first 35 minutes of a game, he's probably about a 65 percent FT shooter. But when we have to have them, he becomes about a 90 percenter. Remember those 3 he shot against the Buckeyes, pretty gutty for a sophomore huh? Let's not forget as a Sophomore, he was the only Flyer to make the all regional team in the NCAA.
You just can't lose your best player/senior leader and not take a big hit. DP is one of the greatest Flyers of all time IMO and as I've argued(with you I believe), the stats will never tell his true story/value.
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Nope, not me. Zone buster, rebounder, shooter, press breaker, he's a do it all man.
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Nope, not me. Zone buster, rebounder, shooter, press breaker, he's a do it all man.
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I noticed also that Big Steve seems to be kicking the ball out more often(maybe because he's getting it more often) since DP has returned. He's also important for all our newbys to learn from. They can see how an unselfish, take what the other team gives you, let the game come to me, type of player can make the game easier and more fluid. The game seems so much easier for everyone with DP on the court.
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what last night showed to me is that the Flyers best unit does not include Kendall. IMO Kendall and Steve on the floor at the same time really doesn't work, offensively or defensively. Kendall and Steve on the floor on offense just clog the middle because neither has to be defended on the perimeter. On defense, Kendall is a poor defender on the perimeter. Dyshawn can be paired with either.
Hopefully Kendall learned something last night by watching last night ... defending and rebounding should be his priority and by playing off of his teammates on offense he will get much better opportunities than we he tries to create them himself.
Nobody on this team needs to be a star. Cooke is the best scorer on the team and the offense needs to run through Scoochie and Dyshawn.
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My thoughts exactly. Dyshawn and Steve play well together. Kendall and Steve do not. I hope Pollard is okay coming off the bench when he heals, because I think that is the best lineup.
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My thoughts exactly. Dyshawn and Steve play well together. Kendall and Steve do not. I hope Pollard is okay coming off the bench when he heals, because I think that is the best lineup.
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I agree too but still need to find a way for all 3 to play together or is it going to be Kendall and Steve splitting 40 minutes each game.
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KP needs to learn how to play with SM, period. Next year they both will be starting.
They can stagger him and SM the rest of this year, but it's imperative to the success of the team in late Feb/March and 16-17 that they learn how to play together and thrive.
Watch some tape while you are out for the next 12-18 days and come back with a plan.
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Archie - you think that Sam Miller will be starting next year? I don't see how he starts over McEl....oh wait, you meant SM as Steve McElvene. Right.
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Archie - you think that Sam Miller will be starting next year? I don't see how he starts over McEl....oh wait, you meant SM as Steve McElvene. Right.
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Whadda ya mean? Sam's our 3pt shooting guard!!!!
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As long as Steve is on this team, KP's future is playing as a Charles Oakley type of player. Rebound like an animal, play great defense, and run the break.
That or learn to shoot. My money's on Oakleys.
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Kendall will find a role that still takes advantage of his awesome but unique talents. Steve and Kendall are not an oxymoron. It's just the kind of adjustments that coaches are paid to solve, and we have one of the best at that. This is not an either/or situation.
Just so glad that we have the confidence in Steve to have this conversation. This is the player who averaged a foul a minute for several games. Now he figures out how to stay in the game, and booyah, his potential is on display. I don't think we will see the ugly porous UMass defense when we play Davidson and GW, so hope not, but this euphoria could be a bit
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Davidson defense will be similar. GW doesn't have game-changers on D like Dayton does, bur very solid within their scheme. Really looking forward to watching Kyle Davis go up against Jack Gibbs. Kavanaugh and Larsen for GW are going to give Dayton fits.
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