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If Dayton gets Obi Toppin back, look out. Flyers are expected to return three double-figure scorers and add FOUR transfers; Jordy Tshimanga (Nebraska), Ibi Watson (Michigan), Rodney Chatman (Chattanooga), & Chase Johnson (Florida). Won 21 last season and made NIT.
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If Dayton gets Obi Toppin back, look out. Flyers are expected to return three double-figure scorers and add FOUR transfers; Jordy Tshimanga (Nebraska), Ibi Watson (Michigan), Rodney Chatman (Chattanooga), & Chase Johnson (Florida). Won 21 last season and made NIT.
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We don't really know what the fours guys that have been sitting on the bench for a year can do. I guess we can hope! Obi coming back is the key to next year for sure.
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We know a lot about what they can do. They’ll be loaded if Obi comes back and health and injuries don’t wreak havoc. Expectations rightfully so will be very high for next year. This looks to be the best talent top to bottom UD has had in any year since I’ve been following them.
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Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer
We know a lot about what they can do. They’ll be loaded if Obi comes back and health and injuries don’t wreak havoc. Expectations rightfully so will be very high for next year. This looks to be the best talent top to bottom UD has had in any year since I’ve been following them.
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I don't think we will know until they have hit the floor a few times together come fall....all we have now are hopes and dreams.
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I don't think we will know until they have hit the floor a few times together come fall....all we have now are hopes and dreams.
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This is every year, so I certainly don’t disagree. But Marysville is also correct. The guys compete in the gym everyday. They know what’s being put together and coming. I believe Obi when he says we have a starting five and then over on the bench we have another starting five.
If we remain healthy, we are loaded. And there are another 10 months or so until the 2020 Dance. Months of going at it with each other pushing each other to get better. I’ve seen teams with a boatload of talent forget they had to work hard and get better because they did have more talent than other A10 teams. So they thought they could just show up and win. Doesn’t work that way anymore. You have to continue to work hard and stay together as a team or you will get beat. With all the guys in the gym that expect to get playing time because of their talent level, I expect competition for that playing time is fierce and everyone will be working to get better everyday. It should be a fun year.
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One thing for certain, barring a barrage of injuries, is the Flyers will have a whole lot more depth for a change. This will allow Coach Grant to turn up the heat defensively and demonstrate what a Grant-led defense really looks like! We have not seen that because of tired bodies and the fear of fouling out key players.
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Obi certainly is a key piece of the puzzle, but at the next level a healthy Jhery Matos is pretty important as well. This kid is mature, experienced and a playa. There are a number of players who can really bring the juice, but of course Obi stirs the stew.
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Obi certainly is a key piece of the puzzle, but at the next level a healthy Jhery Matos is pretty important as well. This kid is mature, experienced and a playa. There are a number of players who can really bring the juice, but of course Obi stirs the stew.
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I think you are right, SDF. I think Obi could be looking at a 20 point/10 rebound average this year and a likely POY in the A-10 if that happens. I am trying to think the last time we had a player average 20 points per game. Maybe Negele?
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Obi's minutes will go down due to our depth so I'm looking for 15/8 from him. Crutcher's numbers will go down, too. There won't be many 38 minute games from anyone next season...30 might be the max for our returners.
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Meanwhile, looks as if the Spurs are first up with regard to the NBA’s Obi workouts.
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Originally Posted by rollo
Obi's minutes will go down due to our depth so I'm looking for 15/8 from him. Crutcher's numbers will go down, too. There won't be many 38 minute games from anyone next season...30 might be the max for our returners.
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Obi could still average 20 points and 10 rebounds while only getting 30 minutes! Crutcher's numbers will likely go down.
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I think Crutcher getting fewer minutes and having some help on the perimeter is gonna make a difference for him
I felt like if the post got taken away he had to be the guy to make something happen especially late in the shot clock
I'm curious if Obi can get a 30+ point game on one of the buy game opponents or a Fordham.
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The general consensus in college basketball circles is that next season will be a bounce back year for the Atlantic 10. Dayton, VCU, Davidson, and Rhode Island all with the majority of their cores back. Non-Con
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Thanks for the link. I met AG and Darren a couple of weeks ago in the Cincinnati airport as they were on my plane down to Ft Lauderdale. Very nice guy. They were on recruiting trip (I believe they offered a 2020 recruit). I really believe Chatman and Watson are going to play large roles next season.
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We are going to flat out destroy a lot of teams this year. Whichever P5 team draws us first in Maui better lookout. I predict a statement win by this team to announce their arrival.
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The transfers got a lot of attention and rightfully so but I'm most interested in what kind of leap Cohill and Matos make next season, especially on the offense end.
AG is a defensive minded coach so I wonder if one of them sneaks into the starting line up in a sort of defensive stopper role
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Surprises are on the way with several players
I look for the most impact to come from Jhery Matos. Added strength over the season off, and 23 years old. Mature and savvy.
Then Rodney Chatman is another to watch for with 2 very productive D1 basketball seasons's under his belt. Mature beyond his age with solid stats his Soph year. I think he is more ready to breakout than Cohill.
Third would be Ryan Mikesell. He also will be 23 next season and physically repaired and stronger. Mature and will fill up the stat line.
And last, Ibi Watson is the sleeper. Will be 22 before the A10 starts and freaky athletic.
The operative word here is "mature" for all the above. We are not hanging our hat on scrubbed Freshman. These are players that have serious upside due to their age and experience, and except for Ryan that experience was with other programs.
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I look for the most impact to come from Jhery Matos. Added strength over the season off, and 23 years old. Mature and savvy.
Then Rodney Chatman is another to watch for with 2 very productive D1 basketball seasons's under his belt. Mature beyond his age with solid stats his Soph year. I think he is more ready to breakout than Cohill.
Third would be Ryan Mikesell. He also will be 23 next season and physically repaired and stronger. Mature and will fill up the stat line.
And last, Ibi Watson is the sleeper. Will be 22 before the A10 starts and freaky athletic.
The operative word here is "mature" for all the above. We are not hanging our hat on scrubbed Freshman. These are players that have serious upside due to their age and experience, and except for Ryan that experience was with other programs.
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for all the angst about not getting McNeil or not bringing someone eligible this year on here and Twitter, it's gonna tough to get minutes when the team is filled with all this veterans
I wonder if there's a stat out there for average age of a player on a team
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Could not agree more, SDF. Nothing beats experience. AG will only have one true freshman in Sossoko and he will only be asked to rebound and protect the rim in limited minutes.
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Sam Vecenie of The Athletic wrote last week that the wide-open nature of this draft pool is leading more collegians to take a shot at it. Fraschilla also points to the G League’s improved salaries and affiliations with NBA teams as an avenue that’s become more enticing for those on the fence.
“The fact you can basically get pro coaching, you’re in a pro system and your team is connected to an NBA franchise allows you to be as prepared for the NBA as if you had played another year of college,” Fraschilla says. “That has changed over the last five years.”
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Kellan Grady and Jon Axel Gudmundsson will return to Davidson next season, per Bob McKillop. Both were early entrants in the 2019 NBA Draft.
Next season will be a bounce back year for the Atlantic 10. VCU, Davidson, and Dayton --- if Obi Toppin returns --- all have the chops to be Top 25 teams.
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Obi Toppin is returning to Dayton next season, per his Instagram page. HUGE news for Anthony Grant and the Flyers.
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Early prediction on Dayton's 19-20 starting five: Rodney Chatman, Jalen Crutcher, Ryan Mikesell, Obi Toppin, Jordy Tshimanga.
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Obi Toppin is returning to Dayton next season, per his Instagram page. HUGE news for Anthony Grant and the Flyers.
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Early prediction on Dayton's 19-20 starting five: Rodney Chatman, Jalen Crutcher, Ryan Mikesell, Obi Toppin, Jordy Tshimanga.
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No Ibi Watson? Who do you think is Rothstein's source for this list?
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No Ibi Watson? Who do you think is Rothstein's source for this list?
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I think he just looks at box scores and bases it off of that
Watson has the least production of the 3 fall eligible transfers at their prior school
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No Ibi Watson? Who do you think is Rothstein's source for this list?
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Rothstein is clueless.
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I assume he came up with the SL guess off the cuff, cut him some slack.
A much more likely starting 5: Crutcher, Watson, Landers, Mikesell, Toppin.
Depending on his recovery, I could easily see Matos instead of Ibi. Contemplating the starting lineup makes JD's departure even more of a head-scratcher. Even as Watson/Matos/Chatham started eating away at his minutes I still think JD would've started the rest of his career as a Flyer.
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I assume he came up with the SL guess off the cuff, cut him some slack.
A much more likely starting 5: Crutcher, Watson, Landers, Mikesell, Toppin.
Depending on his recovery, I could easily see Matos instead of Ibi. Contemplating the starting lineup makes JD's departure even more of a head-scratcher. Even as Watson/Matos/Chatham started eating away at his minutes I still think JD would've started the rest of his career as a Flyer.
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If you replace Tshimanga for Landers I think you have the starting five and, no, I don’t believe J. Davis would have started next year if he stuck around. I don’t think it matters because I see most guys (except for Sissoko) in the 12-30 minute range next year depending on fouls, match ups, and nagging injuries.
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I'm curious about how well Jordy and Obi will work together. I feel like last year Josh didn't really fit with Obi out there
It'll be interesting to see if they try to do some more stuff with Obi on the perimeter/attacking the basket and how his game evolves
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If Landers is starting we are not going to be improved.
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That declaration is too simple. The other positions could be substantially better. Gotta see how it all meshes together in practice. Which by the way, might be the best Red/Blue scrimmage in ages. And maybe the toughest ticket.
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If Landers is starting we are not going to be improved.
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So if last years leading rebounder, who also tossed in 8.2 points per game, is our 5th starter we will not be improved.
Got it. Why are we paying Grant so much $ when we have a genius like you we could have hired for minimum wage?
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So if last years leading rebounder, who also tossed in 8.2 points per game, is our 5th starter we will not be improved.
Got it. Why are we paying Grant so much $ when we have a genius like you we could have hired for minimum wage?
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I actually tend to agree with the original statement. If Landers starts it better be because someone is hurt. I love his hustle and defense but he is an athlete playing basketball, he’s not Kyle Davis. His minutes went way down last year when there were other options. I think if Trey starts it means we missed on one or more of our guards.
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So if last years leading rebounder, who also tossed in 8.2 points per game, is our 5th starter we will not be improved.
Got it. Why are we paying Grant so much $ when we have a genius like you we could have hired for minimum wage?
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If the transfers can't beat out Landers, I think there is a little misplaced optimism about our upgraded talent.
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If the transfers can't beat out Landers, I think there is a little misplaced optimism about our upgraded talent.
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This is such a simplistic view. Teams are not just individual players placed on the floor. They are functioning units and Landers has proven to be a valuable cog.
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This is such a simplistic view. Teams are not just individual players placed on the floor. They are functioning units and Landers has proven to be a valuable cog.
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If the talented is upgraded, but it does not increase the "some of the whole" than there is still is misplaced optimism about the impact of the upgrade in talent. The point remains the same.
Landers doesn't need to be a starter to be a valuable cog for this team.
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This is such a simplistic view. Teams are not just individual players placed on the floor. They are functioning units and Landers has proven to be a valuable cog.
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Yes, a valuable cog in a less talented team.
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So if last years leading rebounder, who also tossed in 8.2 points per game, is our 5th starter we will not be improved.
Got it. Why are we paying Grant so much $ when we have a genius like you we could have hired for minimum wage?
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He's also a senior, and other than Mikesell has more experience than any player on the roster.
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Oops, I think we did improve
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He’s just keeping his streak of incorrect predictions intact.
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He’s just keeping his streak of incorrect predictions intact.
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Just saw that Obi Toppin decided to return to Dayton. He would have finished as a top-100 prospect for me. Will likely enter next season high on my watch list. Very intriguing player.
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Here is a list of everyone who is staying in the NBA Draft and those who are returning to their college squads:
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Yeah, Hoorah, Hooray......and Whew! Glad to hear that Obi Toppin is coming back to school for next season and to play basketball.
Now, we just need to know Chase Johnson’s status? Can he play in the out of conference games or does he need to sit until conference play?
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He can play when UD's first semester is over.
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Way too much is being made of Landers starting. He could start because AG wants to start an experienced senior. He could start but get fewer minutes than someone coming off the bench. He could start at the beginning of the season and lose his starting spot later in the season. He is a tough, scrappy player, and is a valuable part of the team. I don't know why it would bother anyone if he starts, especially at the beginning of the season.
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Originally Posted by longtimefan
Way too much is being made of Landers starting. He could start because AG wants to start an experienced senior. He could start but get fewer minutes than someone coming off the bench. He could start at the beginning of the season and lose his starting spot later in the season. He is a tough, scrappy player, and is a valuable part of the team. I don't know why it would bother anyone if he starts, especially at the beginning of the season.
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I don't care who starts, I just hate the "he's a senior leader with intangibles" BS. That gets you four years of free college and a framed jersey.
You put the 5 players on the court that give you the best chance to win, period, hard stop. I have seen multiple posts form people who say they have seen practice and Ibi is one of if not the best player on the team. I am guessing nobody is putting Trey in that category.
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Originally Posted by longtimefan
He can play when UD's first semester is over.
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As far as I'm aware, no announcement has been made around Chase's availability. They've submitted for a waiver.
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Or it could mean Grant values the leadership and intangibles Trey brings to the court.
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Occording to Obi, we have our starting five and then another starting five over on the bench. It’s hard to believe a year ago at this time, and for a good amount of time into the season, Obi was coming off the bench. That’s worked out pretty well for him. He was the model bench contributor. I’m expecting his leadership by example to be followed by all 11 of our scholarship players this season. They are all going to get minutes if no one redshirts, and I expect they will all win rollo’s Golden poll sometime during the year.
The program has never been in better shape. It’s all good and Trey will find a way to contribute and shine with his teammates supporting and celebrating his contributions. The guys have all been competing in practice. They know what they’ve got and what’s coming and who is ahead of them on the depth chart. AG doesn’t appear to be the kind of coach that leaves players hanging and wondering what their role will be. Keep working hard, pushing forward and competing and you’ll get minutes.
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Love me some Trey. He needs to improve the jump shot or shoot less, but I love his energy and willingness to do the dirty work. He's the perfect guy to come off the bench and bring that energy (as a captain).
Keep in mind, the starting 5 doesn't have to be your best 5. The only time your best 5 needs to be out there are in the closing minutes of a close game.
My 2 cents (it's early - I'll change most likely change my mind)
Starting:
Crutcher
Ibi
Matos
Mikesell
Obi
Bench
Chatman
Cohill
Landers
Chase
Jordy
To me there is a balance of athleticism, length and shooting. Not to say you operate in hockey style line changes, but I think this helps create balance. Chase could easily be one of our top 5 and I think he would pair well with Obi at the end of games.
And this says nothing of Sissoko. I would love him to come in and play so well that Grant has to find him minutes. But I don't think we need that to happen to be successful.
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We are going to destroy a lot of teams this year. I don’t care who starts, who’s on the bench, who’s wearing a red shirt, who’s in street clothes, who’s in their underwear.... We are going to destroy a lot of teams this year.
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For me, I'm curious to see how this season plays out because now AG has his guys in there save Landers and Mikesell so we get to see exactly how he wants them to play and execute as a team
From the DDN article where Jablonski interviewed Darren Hertz he said the team wanted to play faster, be more aggressive on defense and even if guys earn go deeper into the rotation. A deep rotation and playing fast is not something AG has done in the past so it'll be interesting to see how he's evolved as a coach
I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere but this season with the added depth and experience is going to interesting chemistry wise. Everyone one of those transfers came to Dayton to play. I'm sure everyone returning believes they're capable of playing major minutes. Team seemed like they had good chemistry this year, can that culture/chemistry continue when there's a bunch of upperclassmen who want minutes
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For me, I'm curious to see how this season plays out because now AG has his guys in there save Landers and Mikesell so we get to see exactly how he wants them to play and execute as a team
From the DDN article where Jablonski interviewed Darren Hertz he said the team wanted to play faster, be more aggressive on defense and even if guys earn go deeper into the rotation. A deep rotation and playing fast is not something AG has done in the past so it'll be interesting to see how he's evolved as a coach
I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere but this season with the added depth and experience is going to interesting chemistry wise. Everyone one of those transfers came to Dayton to play. I'm sure everyone returning believes they're capable of playing major minutes. Team seemed like they had good chemistry this year, can that culture/chemistry continue when there's a bunch of upperclassmen who want minutes
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I totally agree. This Flyer team may have more talent on it than any team in recent history (everyone can decide what is recent) but how well they play together will make all the difference. There will be at least 2 new starters in the line-up. Less minutes for some. I am optimistic but getting the buy in from everyone may be CAG's biggest challenge.
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I’m not worried about chemistry. These guys have been in the gym together for a year (Chase and the freshman being the exception) and they know where they stand and what they are working to improve. I expect everyone to get minutes. I’m expecting AG to challenge everyone to go all-out every minute they are on the court because this team can interchange parts like I’ve never seen. I think all these guys have already bought into that plan. And ironically, the two seniors, who could very well take the biggest hit in game minutes, I would expect to lead by example. Everyone was waiting on Obi’s decision, but I don’t think it changes anything chemistry-wise and team-first wise. I think everyone is all-in and it’s about running opponents off the court with our depth of talent.
And for the record...I expect Obi will be shooting more 3’s, blocking more shots and slamming 100+ dunks this season - breaking Chris Wright’s career dunks mark of 177 in only 2 years. You heard it first here.
Only question I have is how big the numbers will be from Ibi and Chase.
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Originally Posted by BeckysTXA
I’m not worried about chemistry. These guys have been in the gym together for a year (Chase and the freshman being the exception) and they know where they stand and what they are working to improve. I expect everyone to get minutes. I’m expecting AG to challenge everyone to go all-out every minute they are on the court because this team can interchange parts like I’ve never seen. I think all these guys have already bought into that plan. And ironically, the two seniors, who could very well take the biggest hit in game minutes, I would expect to lead by example. Everyone was waiting on Obi’s decision, but I don’t think it changes anything chemistry-wise and team-first wise. I think everyone is all-in and it’s about running opponents off the court with our depth of talent.
And for the record...I expect Obi will be shooting more 3’s, blocking more shots and slamming 100+ dunks this season - breaking Chris Wright’s career dunks mark of 177 in only 2 years. You heard it first here.
Only question I have is how big the numbers will be from Ibi and Chase.
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It is fun to go back and read these threads. BeckysTXA, one might think you had a time machine to be this spot on!
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As great as this season was, think about how much better it would have been if Chase Johnson had stayed healthy. And understand that AG put THAT team together. When people worry about the future, I think about how great AG and his staff are with all the intangible things...seeing untapped and overlooked talent, building team chemistry or cleaning the closet when he has to, putting an offense on the floor that fits the personnel he’s assembled, throwing a zone defense on the floor if he has to, leading young men to become outstanding men and ambassadors for UD, developing talent, etc.
It’s funny to think about all those that predicted AG was going to have his hands full getting everyone minutes. He was so far ahead of that on so many levels. When people vote for COY, they don’t ever know half of what AG delivered this year, and yet he’s still winning a bunch of those awards. We are so blessed.
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The one thing Jordy has going for him is size. Outside of Maui, he might be the biggest guy on the court in just about every other game next season. Now, that Holloway is gone from UMass I would think he's the biggest guy in the A10
TBD what he can do as a player and how can take advantage of that
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No that distinction goes to one Jimmy Bell freshman at St Louis 7-0 290 !
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No that distinction goes to one Jimmy Bell freshman at St Louis 7-0 290 !
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Articles that I am reading say that Mr. Jimmy Bell has lost 80 pounds to put his weight down to, around 290 to 295. But, articles are saying either 6’10” or 6’11”, not 7’0”. But , irregardless Mr. Bell may be the biggest in the A10 this year. He was on offensive lineman in high school in Saginaw Michigan before moving to Scottsdale Arizona where he finished up high school. I’m sure, we will see him. You won’t be able to miss him.
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Chase Johnson might be eligible at the start of the season. UD is petitioning the NCAA to allow him to be eligible at the beginning of the year. If he isn’t, he will be eligible once the first semester ends, which will be mid-December (I think it is Friday the 13th when classes officially end but I’m not positive). He should at a minimum be able to play a couple games before A10 play begins, including against Colorado in Chicago.
These are darn good problems to have - we will have multiple guys good enough to start for the first time since Grant took over. Guys will be pushing each other for minutes. To me, the flexibility is a huge thing, and if guys are close to as good as advertised, we ought to have a couple of options of players who can create their own shot: Crutcher, Chatman, Obi, Ibi should all fit the bill in one form of another.
Anyway, here’s hoping Chase can play all season long for the Flyers. He’s going to be hard to keep off the court if healthy.
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This year’s team should be called “interchangeable parts”. We are going to see lots of combinations on the floor. Opponents are going to have their hands full just scouting us and trying to replicate 10-11 different players in practice. (The norm is 3-4 key players preparing for a game - figuring out how to contain them and make the role players beat you.) All 10 of our returning players bring very talented, unique skills. Obi’s got it right...we have 10 starters on this team - and they are interchangeable parts.
We’re stacked and I believe AG & Co. have already set the table for this team and have re-set expectations from 25-30 minutes a game to 15-20 minutes a game as the winning formula for this group. Its a new dynamic, but I believe everyone has already bought in. The goals are still the same...win everything in the A10 (regular season and tournament) and go deep into the NCAAs. If the team accomplishes that, Obi won’t be the only player testing the NBA draft next year. Everyone of our guys would love to play at the pro level somewhere. I don’t think you can underestimate the value of having a HC who has coached in the NBA. It’s the key to having 10-11 guys believing less game minutes and being fresh when you are in the game will result in more wins, which will create buzz about this team, which will mean more eyes watching this team, which includes more pro scouts, which gives them the best chance to be seen and increases their opportunity to play at the next level.
AG’s interchangeable parts is NOT you’re daddy’s BG substitution game plan.
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Originally Posted by BeckysTXA
This year’s team should be called “interchangeable parts”. We are going to see lots of combinations on the floor. Opponents are going to have their hands full just scouting us and trying to replicate 10-11 different players in practice. (The norm is 3-4 key players preparing for a game - figuring out how to contain them and make the role players beat you.) All 10 of our returning players bring very talented, unique skills. Obi’s got it right...we have 10 starters on this team - and they are interchangeable parts.
We’re stacked and I believe AG & Co. have already set the table for this team and have re-set expectations from 25-30 minutes a game to 15-20 minutes a game as the winning formula for this group. Its a new dynamic, but I believe everyone has already bought in. The goals are still the same...win everything in the A10 (regular season and tournament) and go deep into the NCAAs. If the team accomplishes that, Obi won’t be the only player testing the NBA draft next year. Everyone of our guys would love to play at the pro level somewhere. I don’t think you can underestimate the value of having a HC who has coached in the NBA. It’s the key to having 10-11 guys believing less game minutes and being fresh when you are in the game will result in more wins, which will create buzz about this team, which will mean more eyes watching this team, which includes more pro scouts, which gives them the best chance to be seen and increases their opportunity to play at the next level.
AG’s interchangeable parts is NOT you’re daddy’s BG substitution game plan.
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BeckysTXA: I was getting a little concerned with your 15-20 minutes per game concept until your last sentence. I do not want to see Obi coming out due to a "scripted substitution plan" under any circumstances. That approach cost us too many games over too many years and I want that approach put to death forever.
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Originally Posted by TommyGola
BeckysTXA: I was getting a little concerned with your 15-20 minutes per game concept until your last sentence. I do not want to see Obi coming out due to a "scripted substitution plan" under any circumstances. That approach cost us too many games over too many years and I want that approach put to death forever.
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I agree. There will be players who get 30+ minutes when we need it, but last year players HAD to go to long night after night. They did that for as long as they could, but I think we wore out the last two weeks or so. It will be nice to always have fresh legs in the game this season. I just think we will see a more even distribution of minutes with this group spread between up to 10 players. I don’t think you’ll have 20-35 minutes for 6 players and everyone else at 5-7 minutes. We are deep and I think AG will utilize all his talent to run opponents off the court.
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Chase Johnson might be eligible at the start of the season. UD is petitioning the NCAA to allow him to be eligible at the beginning of the year. If he isn’t, he will be eligible once the first semester ends, which will be mid-December (I think it is Friday the 13th when classes officially end but I’m not positive). He should at a minimum be able to play a couple games before A10 play begins, including against Colorado in Chicago.
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Maybe the University can end the first semester early this year. Like say November 1st. Then there would be no need for a petition. Be glad UD is not like some other schools whose fall semester does not end till mid-January.
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I don’t see anything about Mantos. I think he will play an important role next year.
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I don’t see anything about Matos. I think he will play an important role next year.
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There are multiple threads dissecting the Flyers many options. I don't think Jhery Matos is overlooked, but every player on the roster can make a contribution.
Many agree with you, myself included. If he is healthy, Jhery will get his headlines and accolades this season. His age, maturity and experience will really help us.
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My post presumes Chase's eligibility does not start at the beginning of the season. Obviously that could change things.
I left Matos out because we unfortunately have such a small sample size of his game and he's coming off a season-ending injury. Not to mention he's way more of a guard than Ryan. So I hope he plays a huge role this season, but don't see how that would impact whether Mikesell starts, that's all.
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Equal talent of 10 bodies should translate to equal minutes (roughly).
Fresh bodies at the end translates to wins...ask Boeheim who said
"The Flyers just ran us off the court!"
If everyone buys into AGs' plan and sticks with it we should be in for a nice ride.
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My post presumes Chase's eligibility does not start at the beginning of the season. Obviously that could change things.
I left Matos out because we unfortunately have such a small sample size of his game and he's coming off a season-ending injury. Not to mention he's way more of a guard than Ryan. So I hope he plays a huge role this season, but don't see how that would impact whether Mikesell starts, that's all.
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In my previous post I outlined a scenario where Chatman starts at the two and Watson starts at the three with Obi at four. I’m not advocating that but you should at least acknowledge the possibility of that. And, I never said Mikesell wouldn’t start the year starting but I still believe Johnson could take Ryan’s spot at some point
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In my previous post I outlined a scenario where Chatman starts at the two and Watson starts at the three with Obi at four. I’m not advocating that but you should at least acknowledge the possibility of that. And, I never said Mikesell wouldn’t start the year starting but I still believe Johnson could take Ryan’s spot at some point
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Outside of Crutcher and Obi I wouldn't be surprised at anyone starting in the other 3 spots save Sissoko
I'd love for Chase to be eligible day one but I'm holding my breath with the NCAA. If he comes in 2nd semester that'll be interesting to see how he gets worked into the rotation.
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Jordy's got the size that on the defensive end he might be able to make life hard for the post players in the A10 like Michael Hughes, French at STL, Langevine, Golden and Osunniyi
I'm not sure where his offensive game is going to be but some post defense and rebounding would be a valuable contribution.
Losing Josh opens up a hole in rebounding and I'm not sure I've seen anyone mention rebounding as much as offensive ability about getting into the starting line up. Maybe Jordy or Trey's rebounding ability get them a spot.
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Originally Posted by sheg
I stand by this statement.
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Imagine, for a moment, if Chris prohibited speculation about the Flyers on this site.
We'd be down to "How's your Summer going so far?"
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Originally Posted by DGO67
Imagine, for a moment, if Chris prohibited speculation about the Flyers on this site.
We'd be down to "How's your Summer going so far?"
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Nah, there'd be plenty of *****ing about politics.
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Originally Posted by Medford
Nah, there'd be plenty of *****ing about politics.
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Word!
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Don't write off Trey yet
I think presumably having more people in the mix who score this year can let Trey be a junkyard dog. Someone who scores off of put bucks, rebounds, sets picks/screens, boxes out, etc. A guy who does the dirty work
He's limited offensively and not someone I'd want taking 10 shots in a game but he's got a role to play
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How do I know it’s gonna be a great and special year? When our arguments are over which of 9-10 players is gonna start and no one (other than maddog and UDscott ) now still want AG fired.
Top 25 here we come!!
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I have never wanted AG fired. I fully support him and always have. Get your facts straight!!!!
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Tad Boyle tells me that Colorado's December 7th game at Kansas is the start of a home-and-home series.
That plus a December game against Dayton in Chicago should equal two non-conference Quad 1 opportunities for Colorado.
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The Flyers will not be a top 25 team at the start of the season.
Top 25 is not awarded based on "hype"...which has been voluminous at UD Pride...especially since Obi announced his return.
Should the Flyers do well in Maui, that should get enough votes by coaches and the press to break into the top 25 club. Typically, magazines like Athlon and Lindy's give UD basketball good preseason reviews, but again, hype doesn't get much attention unless you're Duke, Kentucky, Kansas or one of the other dozen perennial powers.
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Originally Posted by DGO67
The Flyers will not be a top 25 team at the start of the season.
Top 25 is not awarded based on "hype"...which has been voluminous at UD Pride...especially since Obi announced his return.
Should the Flyers do well in Maui, that should get enough votes by coaches and the press to break into the top 25 club. Typically, magazines like Athlon and Lindy's give UD basketball good preseason reviews, but again, hype doesn't get much attention unless you're Duke, Kentucky, Kansas or one of the other dozen perennial powers.
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And I am perfectly fine with that! Let’s prove ourselves by giving a couple perennial powers an owy in Maui!
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Originally Posted by Flyerferd
And I am perfectly fine with that! Let’s prove ourselves by giving a couple perennial powers an owy in Maui!
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Agree 100% as well
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Originally Posted by DGO67
The Flyers will not be a top 25 team at the start of the season.
Top 25 is not awarded based on "hype"...which has been voluminous at UD Pride...especially since Obi announced his return.
Should the Flyers do well in Maui, that should get enough votes by coaches and the press to break into the top 25 club. Typically, magazines like Athlon and Lindy's give UD basketball good preseason reviews, but again, hype doesn't get much attention unless you're Duke, Kentucky, Kansas or one of the other dozen perennial powers.
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Aren't all pre-season rankings based on hype? I think the only reason we aren't ranked already is that most "experts" spend most of their time on the obvious choices and don't dig deep. Plus, waiting to see who will transfer and obviously waiting on Obi's decision is a big factor. I expect we start showing up on ranking lists as the summer goes on.
DGO hit the nail on the head about Maui. What happens there will probably determine whether we spend much time ranked or not.
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As long as they are at the end of the season...
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Originally Posted by sheg
As long as they are at the end of the season...
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^^this^^
I don’t mind wearing rose-colored glasses from time to time, but this team has a lot to prove before we anoint them Top 25 status. I think the Flyers have great potential, and depth alone should make them better than last season. But we seem to forget that Davidson, VCU and probably Rhody will be very tough outs in the A-10, as will Colorado in the non-con. Maui is stacked, and AG will still be playing with new faces and new lineups. I want to believe we’ll be playing like champs out of the gate, but a slow start isn’t out of the question. And if it happens, brace yourself for a jumping-off-the-bandwagon free-for-all.
My feeling is this will be a very tough team by season’s end. And if that gets us into the Top 25, all the better. But I won’t be surprised if it takes a little while for these guys to reach their potential.
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Originally Posted by The Fly
^^this^^
I don’t mind wearing rose-colored glasses from time to time, but this team has a lot to prove before we anoint them Top 25 status. I think the Flyers have great potential, and depth alone should make them better than last season. But we seem to forget that Davidson, VCU and probably Rhody will be very tough outs in the A-10, as will Colorado in the non-con. Maui is stacked, and AG will still be playing with new faces and new lineups. I want to believe we’ll be playing like champs out of the gate, but a slow start isn’t out of the question. And if it happens, brace yourself for a jumping-off-the-bandwagon free-for-all.
My feeling is this will be a very tough team by season’s end. And if that gets us into the Top 25, all the better. But I won’t be surprised if it takes a little while for these guys to reach their potential.
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I totally agree.
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Originally Posted by The Fly
^^this^^
I don’t mind wearing rose-colored glasses from time to time, but this team has a lot to prove before we anoint them Top 25 status. I think the Flyers have great potential, and depth alone should make them better than last season. But we seem to forget that Davidson, VCU and probably Rhody will be very tough outs in the A-10, as will Colorado in the non-con. Maui is stacked, and AG will still be playing with new faces and new lineups. I want to believe we’ll be playing like champs out of the gate, but a slow start isn’t out of the question. And if it happens, brace yourself for a jumping-off-the-bandwagon free-for-all.
My feeling is this will be a very tough team by season’s end. And if that gets us into the Top 25, all the better. But I won’t be surprised if it takes a little while for these guys to reach their potential.
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Hype???? We priders are not into hype. We deal in facts. We should be ranked very high. After all we get back Matos- he of the career 8 baskets who some see as a key component.
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Originally Posted by maddog07
Hype???? We priders are not into hype. We deal in facts. We should be ranked very high. After all we get back Matos- he of the career 8 baskets who some see as a key component.
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Your constant negativity is remarkable
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...ankings/top25/
CBS top 25+1...updated today
VCU #18...Davidson #22
Not bad for the A10 to have 2 ranked teams
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Oh my, are the Flyers going under the radar screen? We will be there!
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Historically, UD seems to play best as an underdog. Have never fared well when listed as a favorite.
I hope that changes some day.
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Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan
Historically, UD seems to play best as an underdog. Have never fared well when listed as a favorite.
I hope that changes some day.
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SeasonTicketFan: I concur about Dayton not faring well when we get ranked. I disappointingly remember when Dayton got ranked (I think it was 14th in one poll) and we went to Richmond Virginia to play Richmond. The fans were screaming “over rated-over ranked”. It was a great game, but we lost to the unranked Richmond team. Dayton immediately fell from the top 20 listing. I too hope that we can eliminate this memory in the future. I still remember their chant. It hurt.
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Originally Posted by Buckleyma
SeasonTicketFan: I concur about Dayton not faring well when we get ranked. I disappointingly remember when Dayton got ranked (I think it was 14th in one poll) and we went to Richmond Virginia to play Richmond. The fans were screaming “over rated-over ranked”. It was a great game, but we lost to the unranked Richmond team. Dayton immediately fell from the top 20 listing. I too hope that we can eliminate this memory in the future. I still remember their chant. It hurt.
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That is one instance. Don't we have a pretty decent streak of losing games as a ranked team?
I fully agree that all pre-season polls are based on hype and published for the sole purpose of creating/discussing even more hype. That is particularly true of the CBS Top 25 +1, which is nothing more than the opinion of Gary Parrish who is sort of a troll in my opinion.
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I believe we also lost the next game after being ranked at least once, maybe twice, during the Scoochie/Kendall/Kyle/Charles years.
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