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Old 02-28-2018, 03:14 PM
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Xeyrius done for the year

According to the DDN. They say indefinitely but in reality it is probably for the rest of the season.

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Is it a real injury or not? I do not know and so far knowing about lower back issues, it's not real fun to have.

I give both the program and XW benefit of doubt on what they are saying.

PS sitting on an airplane with a bad or cranky back is not desirable, ...
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The article says “is out indefinitely due to ongoing treatment for a back injury suffered earlier in the season.”

The fail to report, however, who's got the pain in the back, XW or CAG
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I give both the program and XW benefit of doubt on what they are saying.
Hard to give the benefit of the doubt when we've received mixed messages this season. Back issue, performance issue, practice issue, academic issue, etc.
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X checked out a long time ago. He has no interest in UD basketball anymore. There is no way he will be back this year or next. Sad to see such blooming talent, and he was that last year, check out of the game. A scholarship has opened up.
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I don't believe Grant would lie and say he is being held out for a bad back if that wasn't the case. I'd hesitate on some of these assumptions.
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I saw X and his dad at the Centerville/Wayne 7th and 8th grade GWOC championship games last weekend. He seemed to be moving somewhat slowly and stood for the entire 8th grade game. I know there has been a lot of speculation all season and I'm not really sure what to think about his current status and future with the team.
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Hard to give the benefit of the doubt when we've received mixed messages this season. Back issue, performance issue, practice issue, academic issue, etc.
Exactly what I said about this situation in the Lasalle game thread. Changing the story every other game just raises more suspicions.

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I don't believe Grant would lie and say he is being held out for a bad back if that wasn't the case. I'd hesitate on some of these assumptions.
I wouldn't disagree with you if they hadn't pulled out academics issues as the excuse last road trip. They need to work on coming up with one story and sticking to it.
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Unless or until X transfers, I think all of this should stay in house. We as fans don't have a right to know the specifics of why a player is not playing.
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I wouldn't disagree with you if they hadn't pulled out academics issues as the excuse last road trip. They need to work on coming up with one story and sticking to it.
At Alabama, Grant was forthright when he suspended or disciplined a player. I don't believe the academic or back issues are fabrications. Honestly, I think that multiple issues are at play but that's only because it's the only explanation that makes sense to me.
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I hear a lot of people on this blog saying that XW isn't hurt and is transferring. But I haven't heard AG, XW, etc. say that... Why do people think they have the right to such speculation? These are big accusations and I haven't seen any evidence or data to support.
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According to the DDN. They say indefinitely but in reality it is probably for the rest of the season.

https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...dQItsak996rDN/
Something slightly puzzling about the announcement is that ďthe universityĒ was the one making it. Not the coach; not the basketball program; not even the athletic department. ďThe UniversityĒ. Leads me to believe this is either a multifaceted issue, or something (medical, academic, or other) governed by privacy laws. In any case, I thought it interesting that such a limited-scope matter would be dealt with by ďthe universityĒ.
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I hear a lot of people on this blog saying that XW isn't hurt and is transferring. But I haven't heard AG, XW, etc. say that... Why do people think they have the right to such speculation? These are big accusations and I haven't seen any evidence or data to support.
It's a sports forum. Of course posters will speculate, fabricate and throw crap against the wall to see what sticks.
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On pre game radio AG said that after consulting with medical staff XEYRIUS felt it was in his best interest to shut it down.
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I'm curious about the absence of a Rollo statement on this issue. Interesting.
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I'm curious about the absence of a Rollo statement on this issue. Interesting.
Here is his quote on the topic from the Lasalle game thread.

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On pre game radio AG said that after consulting with medical staff XEYRIUS felt it was in his best interest to shut it down.
Is a Sports Psychologist considered part of UD's Medical staff??

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On pre game radio AG said that after consulting with medical staff XEYRIUS felt it was in his best interest to shut it down.
Was that after the Charleston Tourney.
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I saw X and his dad at the Centerville/Wayne 7th and 8th grade GWOC championship games last weekend. He seemed to be moving somewhat slowly and stood for the entire 8th grade game. I know there has been a lot of speculation all season and I'm not really sure what to think about his current status and future with the team.
I have lumbar issues and have had surgery and I still need more. One of the things is to stand for my granddaughter games. For what its worth I did two months of physical therapy and traction. It got rid of part of my floppy foot so I could walk without a prosthesis. Surgery and 2 years of exercise took care of the rest. Then I got rear ended on my way home from a UD game= more surgery.

Now on to X, I have hearsay that X in does have a back injury but UD does not want him to have it until after the season is over. The Dr. says he wouldn't cause further problems and I'm sure exercise would help.

X is no Mikesell or Josh and probably does not know how to play or work with pain. So we shall see.
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This is one of those situations where you sit back and say "I hope it is a back injury".

All other reasons deal with character, something I hope when this is all finished we can say it is still intact. The next 3 to 6 weeks will be interesting...end of season and end of school year starting to wrap up...
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This is one of those situations where you sit back and say "I hope it is a back injury".

All other reasons deal with character, something I hope when this is all finished we can say it is still intact. The next 3 to 6 weeks will be interesting...end of season and end of school year starting to wrap up...
Message boarders can speculate all they want, but I seriously doubt that the head coach would out and out lie about a situation. Be vague or non-specific, maybe.... AG said the medical staff recommended he shut it down..... so let's all quit other crap!
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Iíve been quite hard on the guy, and if the problem is truly a back injury, then I will humbly apologize. And I hope your ďbest outcomeĒ comes to pass, as Iíve always had a soft spot for the local guys, all the way back to the May brothers and Smitty. Time will tell.
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Message boarders can speculate all they want, but I seriously doubt that the head coach would out and out lie about a situation. Be vague or non-specific, maybe.... AG said the medical staff recommended he shut it down..... so let's all quit other crap!
Where did AG say that? On his pre-game interview, AG said that Xeyrius decided it was in HIS best interest after consulting with the medical staff...there's a difference.

And why was the reason for not going to Rhody "to tend to academic issues" with no mention of the back?
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I know UD has a history of covering for bad behavior by claiming ankle injuries and such, but doesn't FERPA prevent UD from disclosing medical issues/injuries?
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Where did AG say that? On his pre-game interview, AG said that Xeyrius decided it was in HIS best interest after consulting with the medical staff...there's a difference.

And why was the reason for not going to Rhody "to tend to academic issues" with no mention of the back?
There is a difference between not playing and not making the trip. My understanding is he didnít travel with the team because he was tending to academic obligations. That isnít inconsistent with also being injured and unavailable to play in my mind.
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Hard to give the benefit of the doubt when we've received mixed messages this season. Back issue, performance issue, practice issue, academic issue, etc.
Pain make people do crazy things. The back issue made XW act erratic, thus causing all of the other issues, unless it didn't
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I know UD has a history of covering for bad behavior by claiming ankle injuries and such, but doesn't FERPA prevent UD from disclosing medical issues/injuries?
Probably.

However, they felt comfortable saying he was dealing with back spasms earlier this year. Like others have said, mixed messages...and apparently XW is off limits to talk to Jablo or Arch or Larry or Bucky or Brooks or Keith or anyone else!
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Probably.

However, they felt comfortable saying he was dealing with back spasms earlier this year. Like others have said, mixed messages...and apparently XW is off limits to talk to Jablo or Arch or Larry or Bucky or Brooks or Keith or anyone else!
I still remember that quote by Trey: paraphrasing, he said he and X talk every day.. Trey consistently tells X that it all begins with practice... show it in practice, and your minutes will increase.. that was, what, about 2 weeks ago or so?
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I know UD has a history of covering for bad behavior by claiming ankle injuries and such, but doesn't FERPA prevent UD from disclosing medical issues/injuries?
Yes, but UD gets their players to sign a blanket release.
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UD also has a history of covering injuries and not disclosing them.

We can speculate, but we don't know. Bad attitude can also be a result of a player trying to cover up for an injury. Coaches won't appreciate that a player can't give 110% in practice, or dive for a ball etc...

We can speculate, but we really don't know.
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Or maybe the medical staff doesn't think the injury is that serious (Xerious) and the coaching staff is frustrated that X hasn't given more. Maybe X has been telling the staff he is hurt and can't play tonight and they are frustrated with that because the medical staff doesn't think its that bad. I.e See Bill Belichick and Garoppolo when he hurt his shoulder two seasons ago.
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I have watched X warm-up before games (looking for signs of any physical issues), but he is so nonchalant/lackadaisical that I can't tell if he has any limitations.

I've watched him on the bench during games, warmups, timeouts... and he looks totally disengaged from the rest of the team.

Crosby though, to his credit, still seems engaged (even when he was not playing at all).
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Or maybe the medical staff doesn't think the injury is that serious (Xerious) and the coaching staff is frustrated that X hasn't given more. Maybe X has been telling the staff he is hurt and can't play tonight and they are frustrated with that because the medical staff doesn't think its that bad. I.e See Bill Belichick and Garoppolo when he hurt his shoulder two seasons ago.
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Message boarders can speculate all they want, but I seriously doubt that the head coach would out and out lie about a situation. Be vague or non-specific, maybe.... AG said the medical staff recommended he shut it down..... so let's all quit other crap!
Yeah...okay...

I'll leave it at that...
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As reported on another thread, XW was not on the bench for the final regular season home game. I would bet the house that it wasn't because of his "bad back" flaring up. Happy trails, Xeyrius.
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AG on Xeyrius post game:
"There's been some academic stuff. Xeyrius made a decision academically to take care of some business in the classroom and then medically he had some back issues earlier in the season, and he decided at this time he wanted to go ahead and address those issues. Him not being here today was just a decision we felt was appropriate at this time with our team moving forward. That's pretty much it."

Coach speak for "Xeyrius is no longer a part of this program?"
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The Soap Opera is over. All that's left is the following: "Xeyrius Williams announces he will transfer to (Fill in DII school)

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He may have the talent to get extensive playing time at Wittenberg, but work ethic is work ethic and Coach Croci demands a ton from the Tigers. If X isn't motivated to work hard at Dayton he will not likely work hard at Witt. Witt players arguably love the game of basketball more than most D1 players as there is no athletic scholarship, no world class facilities, bus rides vs charter planes, etc. (Most high level AAU teams have better perks.)Yet the coaching staff still demands a great deal from the student athlete who is paying to attend Witt and to play the game they love.
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No way he goes to a local DIII school. He goes to a lower division or decides to sit out a year at a school out of the area. Just a gut feeling...this decision becomes more of "where can I go to school in a nice geographical environment" versus "I need a place that prepares me for a future in basketball". Sorry, that ship sailed.
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What are XW realistic options, what program would want a player that wouldn't put forth the effort and work ethic required to play.

Perhaps a laird back party school would welcome him but....
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What are XW realistic options, what program would want a player that wouldn't put forth the effort and work ethic required to play.

Perhaps a laird back party school would welcome him but....
There are plenty schools, many DII schools, that are in need of players. XW is talented enough to play. Maybe a different set of scenery brings that out.

Once you get out of the top conference and then the top teams in the lesser conference, you have some teams that are glorified DIII teams playing at the DI level. I am talking across the country. Often times, those lower DI schools are just going through the motions. DII schools can be glorified HS teams. I visited a DII school in Colorado that had a gym that was the equivalent of practice gyms I played in, players that were okay...finished at the bottom of their conference. Beautiful campus. Averaged maybe 1k to 2k fans per game. That type of school would take a guy like XW in a heartbeat. They didn't have a guy of his size that played for the team and not many in the conference.

Not saying this is the case with you...but many fans of the sport think that DI hoops is like UD or any other A10 school they have seen. Many schools and the fan and program support is no greater than the perennial A10 bottom feeders. You get down to DII and there are very few schools at the DII level that compare to a mid level DI school.

DI attendance averages about 4700-4800 per game
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That is the reality of the type of support that programs get outside of schools like UD or others that compare in terms of fan and programmatic support.
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Personally, I am thrilled that Coach Grant set this tone - when you put on the Flyer uniform or when you practice as a Flyer, you play your butt off. I think Coach Grant was trying to keep from embarrassing the kid with the bad back, sore throat, and academic issues. X checked out a long time ago, and as far as I am concerned, I love the fact that Anthony is not going to let a kid coast through his scholarship as a Flyer and let down his teammates and fans as he did. I am not nearly as sympathetic as some Priders who have bought into the "bad back syndrome." I have watched too many Flyers for six decades pour their guts out on the court when they put on a Flyer uniform - J.D. Grigsby, Bucky Bockhorn, Don and Kenny May, Velvet Chapman, and more recently, Kyle and Darrell Davis. Personally, I think Anthony treated him as a father would - with tough love. And X has not responded. X can take his sorry "attitude" (being nice about it!) somewhere else and Anthony will fill the scholarship with a hungry kid who will respect the Flyer uniform, players, coaches, and fans. Bye Felicia X!!!!!!!!
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If he really does have some academic problems, then sitting a year to catch up on his degree may be a good option. Maybe he joins Miller at Charleston, or goes to a MAC school.
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Smart mentors would advise him to concentrate on fixing his health issues while he attends to the one thing that will insure him a successful life--- his degree. It's not likely his future is in basketball.
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Most top D2 schools would be interested in Xman. Players in his exact situation are a great one year filler for them. Schools like Findlay, Bellarmine, and Ky Wesleyan would be examples.

This situation reminds me of the Rodney Horton saga back in the Purnell era. I forget the exact issues Horton and Purnell had but he ended up not even going to the A10 tournament in 1997 and before that had been benched for portions of the season. Horton then transferred to D2 Indiana University of Pennsylvania where he averaged 22 pts a game and was named a D2 All-American.
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Norm Plummer as well.
There are a lot of bad horizon league schools as well. Youngstown St Cleveland St IUPUI Detroit all hovering around the 300 rpi level
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There's plenty of OVC, ASUN, etc low level D1 schools that would take him as a sit one, play one transfer
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XWs advisors think he's NBA material so he's going to TRY and move up or find a lateral move...that's my Royal prediction.

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Norm Plummer as well.
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X is no Plummer, not even close. Plummer was an absolute beast. X could find a home on many a D-1 teams IMO, provided he cleans his act up.
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FWIW someone told me that during the game yesterday, his girlfriends social media showed the two of them hanging out all afternoon.

If he really should be studying or resting his bad back, optically that's not a good look.
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FWIW someone told me that during the game yesterday, his girlfriends social media showed the two of them hanging out all afternoon.

If he really should be studying or resting his bad back, optically that's not a good look.
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FWIW someone told me that during the game yesterday, his girlfriends social media showed the two of them hanging out all afternoon.

If he really should be studying or resting his bad back, optically that's not a good look.
I thought and was told they had split
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Here is a fact: XW and his private support group, checked-out, pretty much for good, sometime during the Charleston Trip. Neil Sullivan tried to "hold the hand" and kiss the boo boo, but the sour attitude and disposition ran deep, and no amount massaging could undo the negative angst.

Neil tried, and Anthony was outwardly patient, but to zero a vail

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Question Anybody who knows probably can't or won't talk

What are the chances of XW being a grad transfer?

If I recall correctly, XW was on campus for 2nd summer session prior to freshman year.
I assume he was enrolled in summer classes the past 2 summers.
If he took the minimum of 12 hours per fall/spring semester and added 12 hours each summer and 6 in the summer after high school, he would be in the neighborhood of 100 credit hours. Theoretically, he could be in the 112-118 range if he took 15 hours a few semesters.

124 credit hours are needed for a degree in Communications.

It's not out of the realm of possibility that XW is concentrating on academics because he wants to graduate this summer and play D1 elsewhere next season.

It's a stretch, but it's possible.
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Unsubstantiated rumors that I heard is that some guys are moving out, and Grant is going to have 4 scholarships for this upcoming recruiting class (one of which goes to Cohill). Crosby and XW are on their way to following Sam out the door.

2018-2019 Roster:
Seniors (1): Josh Cunningham (RS)
Juniors (2): Trey Landers, Ryan Mikesell (RS)
Sophmores (5): Jalen Crutcher, Jordan Davis, Kostas Antetekumnpo (RS), Jordan Pierce, Matej Svoboda
Freshmen (2): Dwayne Cohill, Obadiah Toppin

That's 3 open scholarships as of right now if those rumors prove true.
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Unsubstantiated rumors that I heard is that some guys are moving out, and Grant is going to have 4 scholarships for this upcoming recruiting class (one of which goes to Cohill). Crosby and XW are on their way to following Sam out the door.

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Seniors (1): Josh Cunningham (RS)
Juniors (2): Trey Landers, Ryan Mikesell (RS), Matos
Sophmores (5): Jalen Crutcher, Jordan Davis, Kostas Antetekumnpo (RS), Jordan Pierce, Matej Svoboda
Freshmen (2): Dwayne Cohill, Obadiah Toppin

That's 3 open scholarships as of right now if those rumors prove true.
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Unsubstantiated rumors that I heard is that some guys are moving out, and Grant is going to have 4 scholarships for this upcoming recruiting class (one of which goes to Cohill). Crosby and XW are on their way to following Sam out the door.

2018-2019 Roster:
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Sophmores (5): Jalen Crutcher, Jordan Davis, Kostas Antetekumnpo (RS), Jordan Pierce, Matej Svoboda
Freshmen (2): Dwayne Cohill, Obadiah Toppin

That's 3 open scholarships as of right now if those rumors prove true.
What about Pierce, cant see him staying
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You forgot Jhery Matos, who is finishing his second year at Monroe College and has committed to UD. Does he have to sit out a year? Rhode Island, Fordham and Providence had been to see him before he committed to UD.
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You forgot Jhery Matos, who is finishing his second year at Monroe College and has committed to UD. Does he have to sit out a year? Rhode Island, Fordham and Providence had been to see him before he committed to UD.
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Pierce is gone.
As in physically gone, or very little chance of staying?
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I know there has been talk of Svoboda and uncertainty with family ties back home, etc....I want him to stick around. All reports state he is doing well in practices and I like the effort he gives.

With a season of reported defectors and lack of mental toughness, he seems to have stuck with it during a not so easy season.
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[QUOTE=TheDuke2003;541547]Unsubstantiated rumors that I heard is that some guys are moving out, and Grant is going to have 4 scholarships for this upcoming recruiting class (one of which goes to Cohill). Crosby and XW are on their way to following Sam out the door.

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I do not see why Crosby is tied to X. It seems that X has not gotten with the program and is not trying. Crosby is completely different. He appears to be trying to get with the program but has not . He just makes too many mental mistakes to spend much time on the court. If he could correct those mistakes, my guess is that AG would be more than willing to have Crosby be an integral part of next years team.

My point is lets not tie those who give the effort but just are not performing to our expectations to those who are not giving the effort. I for one hope Crosby stays even if he never corrects his mistakes and remains at the end of the bench as long as he gives his best effort.
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I do not see why Crosby is tied to X. It seems that X has not gotten with the program and is not trying. Crosby is completely different. He appears to be trying to get with the program but has not . He just makes too many mental mistakes to spend much time on the court. If he could correct those mistakes, my guess is that AG would be more than willing to have Crosby be an integral part of next years team.

My point is lets not tie those who give the effort but just are not performing to our expectations to those who are not giving the effort. I for one hope Crosby stays even if he never corrects his mistakes and remains at the end of the bench as long as he gives his best effort.
Don't know about that...there was a "Get with the program" conversation with him prior to his return to UD...can't take that out of the equation. Got a feeling the idea of "practice player" and "last option sub" is what took shape...AG needed bodies.
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As in physically gone, or very little chance of staying?
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I know there has been talk of Svoboda and uncertainty with family ties back home, etc....I want him to stick around. All reports state he is doing well in practices and I like the effort he gives.

With a season of reported defectors and lack of mental toughness, he seems to have stuck with it during a not so easy season.
I'm with ya, I was sort of pleased with Matej down the stretch. I think the only way he leaves is if the staff is honest with him about PT, since it will likely go down next year with more talent coming in.
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............Sir Trey Landers .............vs .................. X Williams

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The news that he was not on the bench speaks volumes for me. AG had finally had enough and didnít want the distraction and questions anymore. Mention of academics means he has issues in the classroom (coasting) missing study table.

One of my friends, OSU football team manager, told me one of his jobs was to get football players to summer classes. He would pick them at the dorm and drive them to the class. They would get out of the car, go into the building and then go out the back door. Yes they flunked out.

As far as his advisors and family go they maybe thought that the NBA scouts were at the Charleston Classic to see X. When they asked the scouts about X the answered yeah he is sure something. Thus he became a legend in his and his familyís own mind.

And finally if he is looking for sympathy a little old lady told me itís in the dictionary between sh..t and syphilis. So now we know the facts of a delusional mind set.

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I know there has been talk of Svoboda and uncertainty with family ties back home, etc....I want him to stick around. All reports state he is doing well in practices and I like the effort he gives.

With a season of reported defectors and lack of mental toughness, he seems to have stuck with it during a not so easy season.
Agreed.

I would bet my bottom dollar that were Svoboda to stick around he'd be a significant positive factor his senior year. He's got the smarts to help on offense. I think he'll become a more effective shooter. He has an understanding of team defense and positioning and with a few more (well-placed) pounds he'll be a solid defender on the block.

Much of the battle in college basketball is getting players to stick around and buy in. If you can get those two things from the majority of your recruits you're going to have a successful program.

If you can compete at this level as a freshman, three years of working on your game and understanding your role in the system will turn even a mediocre talent into a contributor.
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Agreed.

I would bet my bottom dollar that were Svoboda to stick around he'd be a significant positive factor his senior year. He's got the smarts to help on offense. I think he'll become a more effective shooter. He has an understanding of team defense and positioning and with a few more (well-placed) pounds he'll be a solid defender on the block.

Much of the battle in college basketball is getting players to stick around and buy in. If you can get those two things from the majority of your recruits you're going to have a successful program.

If you can compete at this level as a freshman, three years of working on your game and understanding your role in the system will turn even a mediocre talent into a contributor.
I'm willing to be patient on Svoboda, but I am skeptical. He needs to make some rapid improvement in defensive footwork and quickness. The game seems to be too fast for him, but I also know that's not uncommon for Euro players in a transition to the college game. Oh, and he really needs to start making some darn shots. I suspect that should come, but IIRC he was expected to be a decent shooter. He's 9-for-45 from behind the arc. That's really poor, and downright shocking for a guy who was supposedly billed as a good shooter.
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Matej is fundamentally very sound. Even his shooting stroke is sound. While I see all the Freshmen improving between this season and next, he may improve the most from, admittedly, a lower starting point.
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............Sir Trey Landers .............vs .................. X Williams

True. To draw a parallel to a couple of players from the Huggy Bear days at UC: Trey Landers is to Xeyrius Williams as Kenyon Martin is to Donald Little.

Who?

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Matej is fundamentally very sound. Even his shooting stroke is sound. While I see all the Freshmen improving between this season and next, he may improve the most from, admittedly, a lower starting point.
Your putting us on, right???

He needs to go. He can't help us win a championship ever. He's what, 36?? Anyway he's unbelievably inept defensively, he made 25 total baskets, several in garbage time, in 30 games (27 games played). He took 2, yes 2 foul shots. 25 turnovers, one per basket. 32.9 fg%, last by a lot. He shot 20% from 3. We can get a random guy out of the stands to do that. He gave us pretty much nothing. On a bad team, he might have been the worst. We made a mistake, he made a mistake. He should find a place where he could actually help. That's not here.
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Your putting us on, right???

He needs to go. He can't help us win a championship ever. He's what, 36?? Anyway he's unbelievably inept defensively, he made 25 total baskets, several in garbage time, in 30 games (27 games played). He took 2, yes 2 foul shots. 25 turnovers, one per basket. 32.9 fg%, last by a lot. He shot 20% from 3. We can get a random guy out of the stands to do that. He gave us pretty much nothing. On a bad team, he might have been the worst. We made a mistake, he made a mistake. He should find a place where he could actually help. That's not here.
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Matej has shown some flashes. He had a really good assist on one of Kostasí dunks against GW, for example. But he has too many times where he is a zero on both ends of the court.

If heís going to leave it needs to be his decision. We wonít be able to recruit future foreign players if we kick Matej off the team. On a different team he probably wouldnít play much if at all. I agree with a previous post that he could make a good leap in year 2.
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Here is a fact: XW and his private support group, checked-out, pretty much for good, sometime during the Charleston Trip. Neil Sullivan tried to "hold the hand" and kiss the boo boo, but the sour attitude and disposition ran deep, and no amount massaging could undo the negative angst.

Neil tried, and Anthony was outwardly patient, but to zero a vail
All he did was shoot threes in Charleston, terribly.

In fact, he had two shots at a game tying three in Game 1 and was not close on either.
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Your putting us on, right???

He needs to go. He can't help us win a championship ever. He's what, 36?? Anyway he's unbelievably inept defensively, he made 25 total baskets, several in garbage time, in 30 games (27 games played). He took 2, yes 2 foul shots. 25 turnovers, one per basket. 32.9 fg%, last by a lot. He shot 20% from 3. We can get a random guy out of the stands to do that. He gave us pretty much nothing. On a bad team, he might have been the worst. We made a mistake, he made a mistake. He should find a place where he could actually help. That's not here.
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Bring the hate man Damm Archie, what was he thinking, was it a phone in recruiting effort. What gives with AG honoring the scholarship offer.

But please donít hold back and please trash our players as we will be honoring his scholarship. He has a lot to improve on but his effort is not lacking.

This discussion was about X or didnít you notice or do you suffer from ADD...you can Goggle that if you donít know what it means.
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All he did was shoot threes in Charleston, terribly.

In fact, he had two shots at a game tying three in Game 1 and was not close on either.
You are correct; that's all he did on that trip. I enjoyed watching him and rooting for him; but he never "blew me away", it was all circumstantial, and a few clutch shots made it seem like he was more dynamic than he really is. He doesn't slide well on defense; as if he cannot get his body to "sit down" on "D". The offensive game was beginning to look one dimensional...nothing but wild threes.
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