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I might have to start watching some ACC basketball (again) next season, to see how Coach K and Ol’ Roy react to being trash-talked by one of Chri Smack’s new gangstas at UofL.
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Yeah, I'll love to see the reaction of Coach K when one of Mack's boys tells him to eff off.

I'm guessing their antics will be a lot less tolerated in the ACC than it was in the Big East.
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actually the gangsta stuff may be a bit less under "ball in face" Mack, as compared to slick Rick in his heyday......
Maybe. But thatís like arguing who was the greater outlaw: John Dillinger or Clyde Barrow?
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I lived close to Louisville for about 20 years, so got to see a bunch of their program. Denny Crum had a solid program, but the last fifteen years it has made X look like choir boys. Mack is probably a good fit, as it is a natural progression for the way he runs his program.

They may have some serious roadblocks from the NCAA, but Mack is at the point in his families' life he may grab the financial lottery. That job is very lucrative besides the actual coach's salary.
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Interesting comment re UD from UConn AD

Connecticut is a small state with only one big time Div1 basketball program, UConn, unlike Ohio which has a half dozen or more. So, the hiring of a new BB coach for the State's flagship university, and one the Nation's most successful BB programs over the past few decades, is a very big deal, indeed.

Dan Hurley has pushed Donald Trump out of the news over the last few days. He is hailed as a Jim Calhoun clone...and his arrival is front page news...not a sports page item. Calhoun still is a UConn employee and actively involved in UConn affairs....Calhoun (who recommended Ollie as his successor) loves Hurley and very strongly supported the hire.

Also, the UConn AD's job likely hangs in the balance. AD Dave Benedict acknowledges that Hurleys' hiring is the most significant thing he's ever done professionally. In that regard, among the many factors that had Benedict focused on Hurley, and only Hurley, from the outset is Benedict's experience with the A10, a conference he said he watches closely because of his (Benedict's) time at VCU.

With that in mind Benedict said re his focus on Hurley,..."That Rhode Island really has placed itself above Dayton and VCU right now is pretty substantial. Because I know what those programs have from a resource standpoint, and Rhode Island doesn't have those things. So he's done a great job".

Interesting comment, I thought.
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UConn's AD I think makes a very astute point there. Wright State has a practice facility, Rhode Island doesn't. According to URI's beat writer they were juggling with the women's basketball team and volleyball team for practice time. They're flying Southwest to some of there away games.

These kind of things were cited as some of things Hurley fought the program to upgrade during his time there
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Rhode Island targeting naming replacement for Dan Hurley after Final Four

BOSTON — Rhode Island athletic director Thorr Bjorn hopes to name a successor to Dan Hurley within the next “10-14 days,” he told ZAGSBLOG.

During his introductory press conference, Hurley mentioned that one of his former assistants remains in the mix for the Rhode Island job. Although he did not mention David Cox by name, it is thought Hurley would like to see Cox get the position.

Other names linked to the job are Vermont coach John Becker, UMBC coach Ryan Odom and former Louisville coach Rick Pitino

http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/03/24/r...er-final-four/
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If Pitino gets that job, UD needs to hire a full time private eye to chase him everywhere he goes, else we can kiss winning A10 championships good bye. It’s hard to beat a cheat.
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I donít see how anyone would hire Pitino until they found out what falls out from the last NCAA issue.
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URI's effort to keep Hurley

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UConn's AD I think makes a very astute point there. Wright State has a practice facility, Rhode Island doesn't. According to URI's beat writer they were juggling with the women's basketball team and volleyball team for practice time. They're flying Southwest to some of there away games.

These kind of things were cited as some of things Hurley fought the program to upgrade during his time there
In addition to doubling his salary URI promised charter flights and building a basketball facility. For cash-poor URI those promises were a stretch.

The next big thing for Hurley, retaining players and recruits. There is good reason to believe that Hurley will lose no current players and will retain UConn's recruits...one of which, a four-star, immediately withdrew his commitment when Ollie was fired. If Hurley can get him to change his mind, which the kid says is a possibility, that will be a coup....allowing Hurley to begin next season with exactly the same team Ollie would have had.
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Being the flagship state school outside of UConn doesn't mean much in New England. Things in that part of the world are almost the opposite of the midwest. When I lived in Maine I feel like Miami or Wright State got more coverage in the local media here than the University of Maine.

There's a lot of programs in this league that are behind the 8ball resources wise compared our peer leagues.
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The RI AD has said the facility and charters are still a go for the new coach. We will see.
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Something that may surprise...

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UConn's AD I think makes a very astute point there. Wright State has a practice facility, Rhode Island doesn't. According to URI's beat writer they were juggling with the women's basketball team and volleyball team for practice time. They're flying Southwest to some of there away games.

These kind of things were cited as some of things Hurley fought the program to upgrade during his time there
Today UConn has a BB practice facility unmatched by any other school. What may surprise some is that the facility, Werth Family Championship Center, (or something like that), just opened in 2014. That means that none of Jim Calhoun's teams over his ~ 25 years had a practice facility. In Calhoun's time and Auriemma's, the men's and women's teams and the volley ball team shared Gampel Pavillion for practice, site of on-campus BB games.

Kind of amazing: No men's or women's teams were as successful as UConn's during the Calhoun/Auriemma era...a period in which there was no BB practice facility...in fact, all BB facilities were way below average. Didn't seem to hurt performance.

Finally, by 2014 UConn scraped together $40+ million for a men's/women's facility that has to be seen to be believed. For sure that impressed Hurley.
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FWIW, I just do not see Mack taking the Louisville job, I think this is all just a bunch of hubbub.

Mack is Mr. Xavier.
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Other names linked to the job are Vermont coach John Becker, UMBC coach Ryan Odom and former Louisville coach Rick Pitino

http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/03/24/r...er-final-four/
That is an interesting trio.

Becker has a nice resume.

Cox, Becker, and Pitino would all seem to be good choices. Odom too I guess.
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The RI AD has said the facility and charters are still a go for the new coach. We will see.
Here's their new charter.
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That is an interesting trio.

Becker has a nice resume.

Cox, Becker, and Pitino would all seem to be good choices. Odom too I guess.
Yea, Pitino would be a great choice. Would bring a sense of honor and integrity ot the program. Not to mention the players would be in favor of the the perks that come with a Pitino led program.
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U of L interviewing former player and KY assistant Kenny Payne. Could be sincere or just a EEO stuff.
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Yea, Pitino would be a great choice. Would bring a sense of honor and integrity ot the program. Not to mention the players would be in favor of the the perks that come with a Pitino led program.
I agree that he has a cloud over him, but he maintains his innocence. Let's wait and see what happens with the NCAA.
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Pitino would help URI recruiting.

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Too bad he wasn't here a few years earlier because up until then prostitution was legal in RI as long as the solicitation and act took place indoors...
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Interesting perspective on Chris Mack/Zavier and coaching in general:

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/spo...say/457279002/
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Would Matta cosider Xavier now that they are in the Big East? Would Xavier consider Matta now that they are in the Big East?
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Interesting perspective on Chris Mack/Zavier and coaching in general:

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/spo...say/457279002/
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Would Matta cosider Xavier now that they are in the Big East? Would Xavier consider Matta now that they are in the Big East?
Would Matta consider Zavier? Possibly. Would Zavier consider Matta? After the way he left over a decade ago? (Monday Matta: ďIím very happy here and have no intention of leaving.Ē Tuesday Matta: ďBuh-bye.Ē) Not likely. Besides, knowing Zavier, they probably feel theyíre too good for a P5 retread. And they may be right about that.
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Interesting perspective on Chris Mack/Zavier and coaching in general:

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/spo...say/457279002/
Doc went from thinking Mack is staying to now thinking Mack is leaving, after a phone call from an unnamed, knowledgeable source.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/spo...caa/458292002/
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It will be very interesting to see who Xavier hires, and if that hire opens the door for the Dayton-Xavier series to be renewed. Because I believe that most of the resistance to playing Dayton came from Chris Mack. When you put the Wes Coffee incident and being married to Christi Hester on top of X's decision to not advocate for Dayton's inclusion in the Big East and on top of an already-heated rivalry, it's like throwing gasoline on an already raging fire. There's just so much there. And much of it is intensely personal (Coffee, Hester). Dayton fans being the LOWD bunch they are, got to Mack. And it was personal. Xavier could play anybody else, and it wouldn't be personal, not like that.

Now, I suppose by taking the Louisville job, Mack has set it up to be personal should Louisville ever play Xavier, having now spurned his alma mater. Louisville wouldn't dream of scheduling Dayton, probably Xavier being the only program they'd less want to schedule a series with but they could and it wouldn't be so personal I think. There'd still be that history of course, but without that Xavier jersey, I think Dayton fans would move on. Not going to happen of course, but the point is Dayton-Xavier... The door may be opening there a crack.
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The University of Xavier at Norwood will promote an assistant in my opinion. They have some studs coming in and they don't want to lose them.
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It will be very interesting to see who Xavier hires, and if that hire opens the door for the Dayton-Xavier series to be renewed. Because I believe that most of the resistance to playing Dayton came from Chris Mack. When you put the Wes Coffee incident and being married to Christi Hester on top of X's decision to not advocate for Dayton's inclusion in the Big East and on top of an already-heated rivalry, it's like throwing gasoline on an already raging fire. There's just so much there. And much of it is intensely personal (Coffee, Hester). Dayton fans being the LOWD bunch they are, got to Mack. And it was personal. Xavier could play anybody else, and it wouldn't be personal, not like that.

Now, I suppose by taking the Louisville job, Mack has set it up to be personal should Louisville ever play Xavier, having now spurned his alma mater. Louisville wouldn't dream of scheduling Dayton, probably Xavier being the only program they'd less want to schedule a series with but they could and it wouldn't be so personal I think. There'd still be that history of course, but without that Xavier jersey, I think Dayton fans would move on. Not going to happen of course, but the point is Dayton-Xavier... The door may be opening there a crack.
I don't think it changes much, perhaps just the crack you mention. Anytime there's change (potential at this point), there's reason to believe that other things might change too, like the scheduling philosophy towards Dayton.

IF in fact that Mack is a huge impediment to us playing them, I think the Wes Coffee incident is contributing NOTHING to that. I can see maybe the wife and how she was allegedly treated upon her visits to the Arena as the wife of the Xavier Coach playing a small part. The Wes Coffee incident is so far gone and forgotten by pretty much all of the characters in the scene that the only mention it ever really gets anymore is on this board.

I've met Mack and have some very close friends that are close to him. He's not a bad guy. He's actually a pretty nice and entertaining guy. His decision to throw the ball at Wes's face, or listen to a coach who suggested such, was not a good one.

It's fun to reference every now again (I had a nice chat with Jim Crews about it 3 or 4 years ago) and makes for nice little tidbit of potential sub-plots but it's not on Mack's mind when he sits down to consider scheduling Dayton or not.
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The University of Xavier at Norwood will promote an assistant in my opinion. They have some studs coming in and they don't want to lose them.
Diehards is reporting that x coaches informed recruits that they are now recruiting for Louisville. TIFWIW.

https://www.diehards.com/louisville/report-xavier-coaches-inform-recruits-theyre-now-recruiting-for-louisville

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Louisville wouldn't dream of scheduling Dayton,


Seeing as how we kicked their ass up and down the court at Freedom Hall in 2007 when they were #13 in the country can you blame them?
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https://hoopdirt.com/ryan-odom-agree...tball-program/:

UMBC officials and head menís basketball coach Ryan Odom have agreed in principle to contract amendments that will keep the Retriever mentor as the leader of the program.



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Gotta think they keep it in house with David Cox
Keaney Blue has a poll up...names mentioned: Cox, Nate Oats, Pitino, Matta, Jay Larranaga, Earl Grant, Baker Dunleavy, Ashley Howard, Micah Shrewsberry, and Preston Murphy.

They do not seem to like John Becker at all, what is that about?

They really want David Cox.

http://keaneyblue.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7501

And a thread on our 5 transfers...some comments on what they think of Dan Hurley and AG as head coaches.

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Seeing as how we kicked their ass up and down the court at Freedom Hall in 2007 when they were #13 in the country can you blame them?
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https://www.fanragsports.com/news/ro...re-chris-mack/:

By Jon Rothstein


The Louisville Cardinals and current Xavier Musketeers head basketball coach Chris Mack remain in the midst of contract negotiations, multiple sources have informed FanRag Sports. Barring something unforeseen, Mack will become the ACC programís next head coach.

An official announcement is expected soon.
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https://www.fanragsports.com/news/ro...re-chris-mack/:

By Jon Rothstein


The Louisville Cardinals and current Xavier Musketeers head basketball coach Chris Mack remain in the midst of contract negotiations, multiple sources have informed FanRag Sports. Barring something unforeseen, Mack will become the ACC programís next head coach.

An official announcement is expected soon.
OK if Mack takes UoL gig that means we would never play UoL again and Mack would vote against us joining the AAC.

Anyone who thinks Mack isn't the one leading the charge keeping us out of NBE or not scheduling UD or keeping other NBE teams from playing UD haven't been paying attention.

We hve played X in all other sports since they went to NBE, only mens basketball left out
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Nate Oats at Buffalo would be a heck of a hire, but what the fanbase wants is exactly what you'd expect them to want...

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They really want David Cox.
Rhode Island is on top of the league. The natural thing is to hope that someone currently on staff -- David Cox -- can keep it rolling with little to no interruption (transfers, decommits, etc.). Whether or not he can do that is up for debate of course, but his resume looks pretty strong to me. He's been under Hurley since 2014 and was associate head coach at Rutgers prior to that at Rutgers. Also spent time on the Georgetown staff and has particularly strong connections to the D.C. AAU scene.

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Word is that Mark Prosser will be named Head Coach at Western Carolina. This could be telling in the Xavier situation, since it's unlikely Prosser would leave Winthrop if Kelsey were to jump or get serious consideration at Xavier. Tells me one of two things - either Mack isn't leaving, which seems unlikely given the reports, or if Mack leaves, it will be Steele getting the Xavier job.
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OK if Mack takes UoL gig that means we would never play UoL again and Mack would vote against us joining the AAC.
????? ... Louisville is in the ACC (Atlantic Coast). Cincinnati, UCONN, Wichita State and others are in inferior AAC (American Athletic). Both play major football. No danger of UD or any non-football schools (Big East brass included) ever cracking the ACC, their lucrative broadcasting deal, etc.

Who knows why we don't play Xavier in MBB. We haven't won there since the Carter administration, so we're not exactly dealing from a position of strength. It may be like UD & Wright State -- they view us as inferior and have no desire/incentive for a home & home series.

I miss the rivalry, but as years go by, it's increasingly less critical to our identity or success. Our destiny lies in being a perennial force in the A-10 without letdowns like this year. Move on.
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Either his wife wants to go home, or Mack is absolutely crazy. Why would he take this job not knowing what penalties Louisville may be facing from the NCAA? He could continue to have success at Xavier, and wait another couple of years for that job to open again, which it will .
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Either his wife wants to go home, or Mack is absolutely crazy. Why would he take this job not knowing what penalties Louisville may be facing from the NCAA? He could continue to have success at Xavier, and wait another couple of years for that job to open again, which it will .
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Either his wife wants to go home, or Mack is absolutely crazy. Why would he take this job not knowing what penalties Louisville may be facing from the NCAA? He could continue to have success at Xavier, and wait another couple of years for that job to open again, which it will .
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It will be interesting to hear the language of his contract. I'm sure there is an "escape" clause in there to protect him when the penalties do come down. Going by what some of the former players are saying the Cards are more than likely going to get hit pretty hard with new sanctions (made an example of). But then again the NCAA is a joke so who knows.
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Either his wife wants to go home, or Mack is absolutely crazy. Why would he take this job not knowing what penalties Louisville may be facing from the NCAA? He could continue to have success at Xavier, and wait another couple of years for that job to open again, which it will .
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You have ZERO clue if the job actually reopens in a couple years and you have ZERO clue what the real life ambitions are for Mack especially regarding $$. He's going to get at least 6 mm a year for 7-8 years.
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I totally get the money grab. What I donít know is if a big money grab now may cost him a bigger money grab later? But hey, yolo I guess
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It will be interesting to hear the language of his contract. I'm sure there is an "escape" clause in there to protect him when the penalties do come down. Going by what some of the former players are saying the Cards are more than likely going to get hit pretty hard with new sanctions (made an example of). But then again the NCAA is a joke so who knows.
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Louisville has agreed to a seven-year deal worth about $4 million per year with Xavier's Chris Mack, multiple sources told ESPN. Mack has informed his players of his decision to take the job.CBS Sports reported Mack is expected to bring Xavier assistant coaches Mike Pegues and Luke Murray, the son of actor Bill Murray, with him to Louisville.
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...CBS Sports reported Mack is expected to bring Xavier assistant coaches Mike Pegues and Luke Murray, the son of actor Bill Murray, with him to Louisville.
If true, this means Steele is almost a lock for the Musties' gig. It also means we'll probably never again see Murray in the stands for an XU game (unless XU had a "home/home" provision in Mack's contract, as we did with BG's contract).
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Louisville has agreed to a seven-year deal worth about $4 million per year with Xavier's Chris Mack, multiple sources told ESPN. Mack has informed his players of his decision to take the job.CBS Sports reported Mack is expected to bring Xavier assistant coaches Mike Pegues and Luke Murray, the son of actor Bill Murray, with him to Louisville.
The numbers seem to be conflicting, a few days ago Doc said that Mack would be getting $3 million plus starting in 2 years, but Channel 5 just said that Louisville doubled Mack's salary vs. what X was paying him.

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Mack wasn't making $3 mil at X this year (Don't know what he's making at UL). I've seen many reports that X was darn near capped out on what they could afford to pay Mack (not chump change by any means, I think I've read somewhere just under $2 mil). Those reports were speculation, I don't have any actual figures that I can verify.
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The numbers seem to be conflicting, a few days ago Doc said that Mack would getting $3 million plus starting in 2 years, but Channel 5 just said that Louisville doubled Mack's salary vs. what X was paying him.
Basically, Louisville just doubled Mack's "recruiting" allowance. The way I understand it, every stripper in the commonwealth now reports directly to Chris Mack.
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If Archie got @ $3.5 mil at IU, I can see UofL giving Mack $4 mil base-package, with his longer track record of on-court success and their b-ball programís revenue stream.
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FWIW, I just do not see Mack taking the Louisville job, I think this is all just a bunch of hubbub.

Mack is Mr. Xavier.
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played on the 1956 Louisville Cardinal team that handed the second ranked Dayton Flyers their ONLY three losses that year in Dayton, in Louisville and in the finals of the N.I.T. at Madison Square Garden in New York City. The Flyers were ranked #2 that year behind Bill Russell's San Francisco Dons (with K.C. Jones). The impetus for the Flyer ranking was winning the U.K.I.T. in Lexington, Kentucky where all four teams (Dayton, Kentucky, Utah and Minnesota) were ranked in the top 25. Louisville was coached by Peck Hickman and Dayton by Tom Blackburn. You should have seen the look on Adolph Rupp's face when he handed Coach Blackburn the trophy.
Started at UD in'57, UL was a big rival in the late 50's and 60's. X was an after thought. Although they did beat us in the '58 NIT finals after we had beaten them twice in the regular season. UL really has expanded their programs over the years. We used to play them in football during that same time frame.
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Steele and John Groce, Akron's hc, are brothers. I had no idea. Different last names.

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Wow, they turned that fast. University of _avier (Norwood) sure likes keeping it in house.
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Steele and John Groce, Akron's hc, are brothers. I had no idea. Different last names.

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So, which one is going to be played by Will Farrell, and which one will be played by John C. Reilly?
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I suppose that if you wanted to nitpick Travis Steele's resume, you could say that, other than his time at X under Mack, his only other collegiate coaching experience is:

-1 year as a ga under Matta at OSU
-1 year as an assistant coach at JUCO Wabash Valley
-2+ years at IU as the video coordinator under Sampson
-less than one year at IU as an assistant coach under Dakich, who replaced the fired Sampson
-one year under Sean Miller at X, not sure what position he had under Miller.

You could argue that Mack is the only college coach that he has spent extended time with as an assistant.

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I suppose that if you wanted to nitpick Travis Steele's resume, you could say that, other than his time at X under Mack, his only other collegiate coaching experience is 1 year as a ga under Matta at OSU, and less than one year as an assistant at IU after Sampson was fired, and one year under Sean Miller at X, not sure what position he had then. You could argue that Mack is the only college coach that he has spent extended time with.
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Yes, but being good/at least competent with the x's and o's is essential IMO.

If you are not at least competent with the x's and o's, your x's and o's deficiencies will become readily apparent pretty quickly.

I think that I would rather have a good x's and o's coach, who might be a little weak with recruiting, rather than have a guy who is a good recruiter, but is a little weak with the x's and o's.

It seems very difficult to overcome poor x's and o's, no matter how good your recruiting is.
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Yes, but being good/at least competent with the x's and o's is essential IMO.

If you are not at least competent with the x's and o's, your x's and o's deficiencies will become readily apparent pretty quickly.

I think that I would rather have a good x's and o's coach, who might be a little weak with recruiting, rather than have a guy who is a good recruiter, but is a little weak with the x's and o's.

It seems very difficult to overcome poor x's and o's, no matter how good your recruiting is.
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Joe Dooley from FGCU back to East Carolina. Means he is not going to Rhody and also that possible grad transfer target Zach Johnson is pretty much 100% leaving if he wasnít already.

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Joe Dooley from FGCU back to East Carolina. Means he is not going to Rhody and also that possible grad transfer target Zach Johnson is pretty much 100% leaving if he wasnít already.

Also, there was a report that Rhody had a deal in place to hire Rick Pitino but the school president nixed it. Believe this was a false report.
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Dooley picked a better conference and better location. ECU in basketball has been a mystery. With all the great HS players in the area, he should be able to get them to the tourney.
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Tough climb out of the basement of the American. Interestingly enough he coached at and was fired from ECU in the 90s
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Joe Dooley from FGCU back to East Carolina. Means he is not going to Rhody and also that possible grad transfer target Zach Johnson is pretty much 100% leaving if he wasnít already.

Also, there was a report that Rhody had a deal in place to hire Rick Pitino but the school president nixed it. Believe this was a false report.
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Somebody on Keaney Blue posted that the below 4 are interviewing today, I assume those 4 are the finalists. Dooley is obviously out now.

Nobody on that board likes Becker, but he made the list.

That board is all in on Cox.

1. David Cox
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Tough climb out of the basement of the American. Interestingly enough he coached at and was fired from ECU in the 90s
Could you imagine this board if last year at this time UD hired the coach they fired in the 90's...
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Could you imagine this board if last year at this time UD hired the coach they fired in the 90's...
That would be interesting. Obviously very different circumstances. JOB had a bunch of experience at the time he was hired at Dayton, but not too much at the D1 level. He jumped back on with Pitino at Kentucky, then to the Celts and the Pacers. JOB actually had some decent success in the NBA as a coach, asst and head man. Dooley was hired at like 29/30 years old at ECU in 1995. He was fired, went off and got a ton of experience at a high level, then some head coaching experience and is more than ready to come back.

Point being, ECU is hiring a much different Joe Dooley than they did 20 years ago.
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Interesting that Dooley had a 66% winning percentage and 5 straight post seasons at FGC. Probably why ECU is giving him a second go.
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Yes, but being good/at least competent with the x's and o's is essential IMO.

If you are not at least competent with the x's and o's, your x's and o's deficiencies will become readily apparent pretty quickly.

I think that I would rather have a good x's and o's coach, who might be a little weak with recruiting, rather than have a guy who is a good recruiter, but is a little weak with the x's and o's.

It seems very difficult to overcome poor x's and o's, no matter how good your recruiting is.
You need look no farther than the last 2-3 coaches who left UD for different pastures.
-AM. Very good tactician. Mixed bag in recruiting. Some very good (particularly transfers). Some very bad (Pierce). Some in the middle (Khari Price).
-BG. Pretty good recruiter (C-Dub, B-Rob, CJ). Lousy tactician (Exhibit A: The Weave; Exhibit B: hockey line substitutions).
-OP. Pretty good at both, but outstanding at neither.

Not surprising that OP and AM both did better in-con than BG (once OP had rebuilt the program after the JOB era). Xís and Oís.
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Also, there was a report that Rhody had a deal in place to hire Rick Pitino but the school president nixed it. Believe this was a false report.
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URI has issued a statement completely denying the validity of the story.

https://hoopdirt.com/uri-denies-pitino-rumors/:



The University of Rhode Island is denying a report from earlier today in which GoLocalProv claimed that AD Thorr Bjorn had come to an agreement with former Louisville head coach Rick Pitino to become URI’s next basketball coach. The report said that the deal, which would have paid Pitino $2 million per season, was eventually nixed by President David Dooley.

Shortly after the report surfaced, URI officials released the following statement:

“This story is false. University President David M. Dooley and Athletic Director Thorr Bjorn have not spoken with Rick Pitino. Athletic Director Bjorn never presented an offer to President Dooley related to Rick Pitino. The University takes journalistic integrity very seriously and denies the validity of this story in its entirety”

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Rhode Island keeps things in-house and hires Hurley assistant David Cox as hc.

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From the Providence Journal re URI coach hire (not sure if it is behind a pay wall or not):
http://www.providencejournal.com/spo...sketball-coach

We can't ever complain about compensating our coach well. URI is one of our main competitors in the A10 and they're only paying their coach $700K/year.
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From the Providence Journal re URI coach hire (not sure if it is behind a pay wall or not):
http://www.providencejournal.com/spo...sketball-coach

We can't ever complain about compensating our coach well. URI is one of our main competitors in the A10 and they're only paying their coach $700K/year.
Hurley was fighting to get a practice facility built. Their homecourt was shared with the women's team, volleyball and intramural.

They are apparently busing down to some of their games like George Mason and flying coach to others
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From the Providence Journal re URI coach hire (not sure if it is behind a pay wall or not):
http://www.providencejournal.com/spo...sketball-coach

We can't ever complain about compensating our coach well. URI is one of our main competitors in the A10 and they're only paying their coach $700K/year.
That is what Cox is getting as a first year hc. Hurley was getting more. I donít think Archie even got $700k his first year.
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That is what Cox is getting as a first year hc. Hurley was getting more. I donít think Archie even got $700k his first year.
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5 years at $700K per, so I'm assuming that is an average? How many years ago was Archie's first year? Haven't salaries increased since then?
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5 years at $700K per, so I'm assuming that is an average? How many years ago was Archie's first year? Haven't salaries increased since then?
I think Archie's first contract was for $350k/ year. At that time, he was an unproven assistant from somewhere else. Cox was on the URI staff so it makes sense that he would get more than someone with equal credentials coming from another program. These multi year contracts with coaches work one way. The coach is guaranteed his 5 years at $700k/year. If he does well, he will get increases and extensions. If he gets fired, he will get all his pay.
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I think Archie's first contract was for $350k/ year. At that time, he was an unproven assistant from somewhere else. Cox was on the URI staff so it makes sense that he would get more than someone with equal credentials coming from another program. These multi year contracts with coaches work one way. The coach is guaranteed his 5 years at $700k/year. If he does well, he will get increases and extensions. If he gets fired, he will get all his pay.
But I believe Hurley was only making $1M so we are still quite a bit ahead of URI in terms of compensating our coach.
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These multi year contracts with coaches work one way. The coach is guaranteed his 5 years at $700k/year. If he does well, he will get increases and extensions. If he gets fired, he will get all his pay.
I agree, all of these deals seem totally one-sided, the schools have all the risk. If the coach works out, everything is fine, and everybody is happy.

But, if the coach does not work out, the school seemingly always has to pay to get rid of the coach, due to these coaches seemingly always getting a contract extension(s), due to recruiting being hurt if no extension(s) is/are given, since the coach is a dead man walking without the extension(s), and the school gets jobbed having to pay off the contract extension(s).

There needs to be more balancing of the risk in these contracts.

And the coach can leave on a whim, with seemingly little punishment, but if the coach is fired early on in the deal, the schools pay out the nose, and the program is hamstrung paying off the contract.

It seems that you rarely hear anymore of a coach having to pay his old school a sizeable sum if he leaves early on for another school.

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I honestly don't know why the NCAA doesn't mandate that head coaches, if still under contract, must sit out a year when moving schools.
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One of the things that seems so out of balance is a case like hc Brad Underwood at Oklahoma State 2 years ago.

I think this is roughly accurate.

BU signs a 6 year contract at OSU for around $1.3 million per year.

He has a good 1st year at OSU and takes OSU to the NCAAT. At the end of the year, he asks for a raise to $3 million per year, since he had a good year. But, he and OSU can not reach an agreement, so he leaves and takes the Illinois job.

I do not remember hearing about him having to pay OSU a big penalty for leaving after only 1 year.

But, you know that if OSU had fired him after only 1 year, then OSU would have had to pay him somewhere around $6 million.

That seems very one-sided.

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One of the things that seems so out of balance is a case like hc Brad Underwood at Oklahoma State 2 years ago.

I think this is roughly accurate.

BU signs a 6 year contract at OSU for around $1.3 million per year.

He has a good 1st year at OSU and takes OSU to the NCAAT. At the end of the year, he asks for a raise to $3 million per year, since he had a good year. But, he and OSU can not reach an agreement, so he leaves and takes the Illinois job.

I do not remember hearing about him having to pay OSU a big penalty for leaving after only 1 year.

But, you know that if OSU had fired him after only 1 year, then OSU would have had to pay him somewhere around $5 million.

That seems very one-sided.
That's because the coaches hold the leverage. If you're a good coach, you have plenty of options. There are a lot of schools trying to hire a few great coaches.
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