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"Rodney Chatman has elite feel (for the game)," McCall explained. "He's got elite feel with the ball in his hands...terrific in the pick-and-roll.

Chatman earned Georgia Class 4A All-State mention as a junior and senior at Lithonia High School and is a two-star prospect per verbalcommits.com. He turned in a triple-double with 18 points, 10 rebounds and 10 assists against North Clayton during a season that saw him average 13.3 points, 6.2 assists and 4.1 steals per contest.

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Another James Kane find? Seems like the location would be in wheelhouse
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Kenpom style advanced stat site had him as the 13th overall transfer left on the board based on PPG! which is a basketball version of the WAR stat from baseball
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Is he any relation to the University's chief of security?
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Is he any relation to the University's chief of security?
possibly...Chatmanís dad, also named Rodney Chatman, played basketball at Southern California, averaging 12.0 points per game as a senior in 1992-93.

what is the age of the University's chief of security? possibly the same person?
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possibly...Chatmanís dad, also named Rodney Chatman, played basketball at Southern California, averaging 12.0 points per game as a senior in 1992-93.

what is the age of the University's chief of security? possibly the same person?
different people
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Stat lines from Frosh and Soph years. Looks like he improved on everything after his freshman year. Hopefully that is an indication of what kind of effort he will put in, he looks to be a solid addition as a Flyer. Looking forward to seeing our new transfers play in 2019.

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A couple things I noticed about his stats from last year.

-He would have led Dayton in steals with 35 steals
-With 14 blocks last year he would have been 2nd on the team.
-Had a 14 assist game against Ray Harper's Jacksonville State squad
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Nice addition! Quite the team coming together for the 50th year of the Arena, and 1st year the completed Arena!
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I'm not sure what to make of this...

1. We aren't getting a grade transfer and Crutcher will be only PG on roster, Cohill will have to play some PG?
2. We aren't getting any of our 2019 PG looks (who would be third on depth chart for probably two years)?
3. We're very focused on a 2020 PG, who would come in when both Crtucher and Chatman were seniors, so sitting behind for just one year?
4. We plan on playing each for 20 mpg, or on court simultaneously, or Chatman beats out Crutcher and Crutcher decides to transfer?

It just seems so odd to have to PG that could both be starters in the same class. Not sure what to make of that.
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More and more the game is becoming 5 somewhat interchangeable players. Durant and Draymond bring the ball up more than Curry for the Warriors (they start in the Hampton 5 lineup as center and power forward).

Cohill will play point next year for 10-15 minutes a game.
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I'm not sure what to make of this...

1. We aren't getting a grade transfer and Crutcher will be only PG on roster, Cohill will have to play some PG?
2. We aren't getting any of our 2019 PG looks (who would be third on depth chart for probably two years)?
3. We're very focused on a 2020 PG, who would come in when both Crtucher and Chatman were seniors, so sitting behind for just one year?
4. We plan on playing each for 20 mpg, or on court simultaneously, or Chatman beats out Crutcher and Crutcher decides to transfer?

It just seems so odd to have to PG that could both be starters in the same class. Not sure what to make of that.
I wonder if Chatman came on the radar because they know Kira Lewis/Tre Mann are gone and things aren't looking good with Andre Gordon/Eteinne so they decided to punt on a PG for that class.

String together some winning years and a bunch of senior PGs will be attractive to the 2020 recruits.

I'm curious how this all plays out as well. It seems like AG is all in on small ball. Maybe Obi and Frankie are the bigs of the future.

Maybe Chatman for a better situation here is willing to accept being bench player at PG or he can win one of the other guard spots? Crutcher was willing to play with Chatman at Chattanooga.

How does AG keep everyone happy in 19/20 with minutes? 4 Junior guards in Chatman/Crutcher/Davis/Watson. 2 senior guards in Landers/Matos. A highly regarded sophomore in Cohill.

Even with a 4 guard look that's 7 upperclassman who all probably believe they a have reasonable claim on minutes. AG is a magician if he can keep all of them happy minutes wise.

With a 4 guard look that'll takes minutes away Obi/Policelli.

Maybe there are defections coming or it just plays itself out and the guys on the short end of the stick transfer. That 19/20 guard/wing roster is going to be the deepest that I've seen since I started following Flyer basketball
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More and more the game is becoming 5 somewhat interchangeable players. Durant and Draymond bring the ball up more than Curry for the Warriors (they start in the Hampton 5 lineup as center and power forward).

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Absolutely agree with that and I have no problem playing small ball but how do you keep 7 upperclassmen guards happy minute wise? Is this a future Dambrot scenario?
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The other possibility is AG is going to run some kind of high temp, pressing team where he rotates a lot of guys in and out, and everyone plays around 20 minutes give or take. But I do believe they've given up on a 2019 PG, perhaps really focusing on Zeb Jackson.
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The other possibility is AG is going to run some kind of high temp, pressing team where he rotates a lot of guys in and out, and everyone plays around 20 minutes give or take. But I do believe they've given up on a 2019 PG, perhaps really focusing on Zeb Jackson.
I could have sworn I read in one of the Dayton Daily News articles he wants a 7-8 man rotation ideally
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I could have sworn I read in one of the Dayton Daily News articles he wants a 7-8 man rotation ideally
Well, if that's true, then there's going to be some very disappointed players. If not this year, then the following year.

OTOH, it's sort of what you always hope for right? Recruiting over the guys you currently have, always trying to improve the team?
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Absolutely agree with that and I have no problem playing small ball but how do you keep 7 upperclassmen guards happy minute wise? Is this a future Dambrot scenario?
Dwayne Cohill was one of the first to twitter Rodney Chatman. "Welcome to the family, backcourt is gone be dirty!" If that is any indication maybe AG will have all 7 guards (5 if you can consider Landers and Matos Wings at the 3 position instead of guards) who are team players and are content to win at the expense of a few less minutes.

Sounds too good to be true but keeping all the guards happy may not be as difficult as it may presently seem. I would rather have too many guards than to be caught completely shorthanded like we were when Meachump went to Illinois at the last minute!
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A couple things I noticed about his stats from last year.

-Had a 14 assist game against Ray Harper's Jacksonville State squad
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I could have sworn I read in one of the Dayton Daily News articles he wants a 7-8 man rotation ideally
I remember reading the same
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I could have sworn I read in one of the Dayton Daily News articles he wants a 7-8 man rotation ideally
Was that a comment about last yearís team or next yearís team?
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I say this as someone who's not opposed to small ball or the idea of positionless basketball but there has to be some context

It's a little more complicated than saying the Warriors and the Rockets play small ball and Dayton running out 4 guards and forward. I'm not sure we have a Draymond Green or Clint Capella on this roster.

Even Nova who people on here I see mention as had a 6'9 250lb PF & C along with a 6'7 G/F

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Was that a comment about last yearís team or next yearís team?
Next year. The context as I remember it was discussing the open scholarships (when we had 5) and that Grant said something to the effect that he didn't have fill every scholarship because there would only be a 7-8 man rotation ideally
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Too many good players is not a problem I'm terribly worried about.
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Said no NCAA basketball coach ever. I would tell every incoming recruit -- I recruited you to beat out a current player and next year Im recruiting someone to beat you out. Time to man up. We promise opportunities, not playing time.

The unwavering facts remains that if you are good, you will see the court. Nova has won two national championships in the last three seasons basically playing 3 1/2 to 4 guards at a time. You can either make plays or you can't. You can win big or small, quick or deliberate, hockey line, or ironman. There is no script anymore. Comes down to chemistry, talent, and kids accepting roles. Last year we had issues with all three.
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In today's world of 800+ transfers a year that's easier said than done.
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I can't believe some of you are complaining about too many guards. Do you remember almost exactly a year ago when we had no point guards at all?
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Interesting article, given his (Chatman's) youth in that article and his relatively late start in basketball, that year off could really help him grow his game. Let him and Watson be the captains of the scout team, bring it every day in practice and be 2 steps better when they are allowed to step on the court in another season.
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I don't think having too many guards is a problem. I think not having enough beefy bigs is a problem.
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How does AG keep everyone happy in 19/20 with minutes? 4 Junior guards in Chatman/Crutcher/Davis/Watson. 2 senior guards in Landers/Matos. A highly regarded sophomore in Cohill.

Even with a 4 guard look that's 7 upperclassman who all probably believe they a have reasonable claim on minutes. AG is a magician if he can keep all of them happy minutes wise.

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I don't think having too many guards is a problem. I think not having enough beefy bigs is a problem.
Trust the staff, with 2 schollies remaining, I bet they feel the same way and will correct it.
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I say this as someone who's not opposed to small ball or the idea of positionless basketball but there has to be some context

It's a little more complicated than saying the Warriors and the Rockets play small ball and Dayton running out 4 guards and forward. I'm not sure we have a Draymond Green or Clint Capella on this roster.

Even Nova who people on here I see mention as had a 6'9 250lb PF & C along with a 6'7 G/F

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I hear what you're saying and mostly agree. The thing is, the 3 examples you gave are all from ELITE championship (or championship level) teams.

My hope is that Obi can be that type of guy for us, but that remains to be seen. And I don't expect it in his first year.

I've seen a lot of big vs. small line-up mismatches over the last few years in college ball and I can't come up with one scenario where a coach subbed out smalls for bigs to match-up. Not saying it hasn't happened, but I can't recall it.

But I've seen a whole slew of games the other way. Where a coach takes out bigs to match up better with smaller, quicker guys on the other team.

One exception might be the bigger teams that Kentucky has had, but that's an apples and oranges comparison really when you consider their overall talent. And even undersized Auburn took them to the woodshed last year.

I think AG wants to play up-tempo, pressure defense and keep guys fresh. Should be fun to watch if nothing else.
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JR: Mikesell, Landers, Chatman, Matos, Watson
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That Junior Class is loaded now. Two more ships available. Eligible true PG (or even another combo guard) seems unlikely at this points.

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SR: Cunningham
JR: Mikesell, Landers, Chatman, Matos, Watson
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That Junior Class is loaded now. Two more ships available. Eligible true PG (or even another combo guard) seems unlikely at this points.

I'd like to see at least one more eligible player added to get us to 10.
Chatman could be considered a SO. He would have 2 to play after next season - just like Crutcher and Davis. However, if he is in good shape academically, he could be a grad transfer and leave with the other JR's.
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Chatman could be considered a SO. He would have 2 to play after next season - just like Crutcher and Davis. However, if he is in good shape academically, he could be a grad transfer and leave with the other JR's.
Same with Watson.
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I don't think having too many guards is a problem. I think not having enough beefy bigs is a problem.
I concur. Since every team on our schedule can play small ball and every team in the country can play small ball then every game that Dayton will play will be tough. Any team can get hot shooting and without the ability to score down low and protect the rim, every game will be in doubt until the last second of the game. Small ball is exciting but not necessarily winning basketball. I still think basketball is a big manís game. If you have a choice between a good small player and a good taller player, always recruit the bigger guy. I believe that you should recruit big tall guards if you can not recruit big centers and big forwards. That is why i like the Matos recruit and the watson recruit if they can play guard with landers in a three guard setup. We still need a PG and at Daytonís level of recruiting, we canít recruit the tall PG.
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Same with Watson.
I disagree with you both. He is a sophomore now, sure, but as far as the chart I posted, he should be considered in the Junior class. As you say, they'll both have two years to play, one as a junior and one as a senior.
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I disagree with you both. He is a sophomore now, sure, but as far as the chart I posted, he should be considered in the Junior class. As you say, they'll both have two years to play, one as a junior and one as a senior.
But the chart you listed is for this upcoming year. When Chatman and Watson are JR's on the chart, Cunningham will be gone and everyone else will move up a line.

They will graduate with Crutcher, not with Landers.
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I'm all in favor of letting the guys compete for minutes, but I do struggle to understand the complete lack of emphasis on anyone with size. We got manhandled inside this past year against anyone with good bigs. Where's the answer to that?
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Just because no one has signed doesn't mean a big is not an emphasis for AG. A coach cannot force a player to accept an offer. I think AG will either sign a big or pocket the other two ships. I am confident he is looking.
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78% from the free throw line. Was on the MOST crappy Croc team in years.
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4.5 assists a game. 4 boards a game. 13 points a game.

What's not to like . Studlike as a sophomore
His Coach said he is a natural point guard that excels in the pick and roll. His 1.5 A/TO ratio is very good for Sophomore player running a bad team like he was on this year. He played 32 minutes/game.

As far as defense, caution about his 3 fouls/game. He showed quick recognition and quick
hands but maybe gambles a bit too often.

Kudos to AG and staff for being patient.

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Other threads: "We need 12 impact players!"

This thread: "How is everyone going to be happy if we keep recruiting good players that want playing time!"

Make up your mind, UDPride.
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Other threads: "We need 12 impact players!"

This thread: "How is everyone going to be happy if we keep recruiting good players that want playing time!"

Make up your mind, UDPride.
to be fair I've never said we need 12 impact players. I'm just worried about 6 guards stacked together in 2 classes with a top 100 sophomore guard who didn't come to UD to sit that could create some chemistry issues if everyone doesn't buy in
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His Coach said he is a natural point guard that excels in the pick and roll. His 1.5 A/TO ratio is very good for Sophomore player running a bad team like he was on this year. He played 32 minutes/game.

As far as defense, caution about his 3 fouls/game. He showed quick recognition and quick
hands but maybe gambles a bit too often.

Kudos to AG and staff for being patient.

I'm nervously awaiting the bad news from udscott and maddog
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JK. But we need to learn that part of the game.

To answer someone above, no bigs means others are on them and we don't have
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to be fair I've never said we need 12 impact players. I'm just worried about 6 guards stacked together in 2 classes with a top 100 sophomore guard who didn't come to UD to sit that could create some chemistry issues if everyone doesn't buy in
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Maybe its just me but I see Landers getting much of his playing time as an undersized four man.
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"We're excited to announce the addition of Rodney Chatman III to our roster," Grant said. "Rodney brings experience, skill, and high basketball IQ to our backcourt for the future. He will greatly benefit from a year of learning our system while continuing to mature his body and skill set during his redshirt season. Our team will benefit from having him in practice on a daily basis as we continue to build our culture and the competitive character of our group in preparation for the upcoming season."

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But the chart you listed is for this upcoming year. When Chatman and Watson are JR's on the chart, Cunningham will be gone and everyone else will move up a line.

They will graduate with Crutcher, not with Landers.
You're right. I'm wrong. Sorry to you both. That brings a little more balance to the classes.
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"We're excited to announce the addition of Rodney Chatman III to our roster," Grant said. "Rodney brings experience, skill, and high basketball IQ to our backcourt for the future. He will greatly benefit from a year of learning our system while continuing to mature his body and skill set during his redshirt season. Our team will benefit from having him in practice on a daily basis as we continue to build our culture and the competitive character of our group in preparation for the upcoming season."

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He was fourth in the Ohio Valley Conference in assists, fifth in FT%, 12th in scoring and, surprisingly for a point guard, 12th in defensive rebounds (3.8).
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Maybe its just me but I see Landers getting much of his playing time as an undersized four man.
Just so he is on the floor somewhere I will be a happy camper.
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I just have to believe with each new recruit, Grant is setting this team up to pressure and pressure some more. Guards everywhere and long, lanky bigger guys. I can't wait.
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"We're excited to announce the addition of Rodney Chatman III to our roster," Grant said. "Rodney brings experience, skill, and high basketball IQ to our backcourt for the future. He will greatly benefit from a year of learning our system while continuing to mature his body and skill set during his redshirt season. Our team will benefit from having him in practice on a daily basis as we continue to build our culture and the competitive character of our group in preparation for the upcoming season."

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"High IQ" is something severely lacking this year.
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Just so he is on the floor somewhere I will be a happy camper.
Landers is the glue that will hold this team together for the next two seasons! When he is in the game he makes things happen and the others rally around him.

I am excited to watch a pressing in your face defense that was nowhere to be found last season! It seems AG is recruiting those type of players recently. The scoring will take care of itself.

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So many of chances for big wins in non conference come in the exempt tourneys that depth is gonna be a big help. Maui when Chatman and Watson are eligible is 3 games in 3 days
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"I have too many ball handlers..."

Said no NCAA basketball coach ever. I would tell every incoming recruit -- I recruited you to beat out a current player and next year Im recruiting someone to beat you out. Time to man up. We promise opportunities, not playing time.

The unwavering facts remains that if you are good, you will see the court. Nova has won two national championships in the last three seasons basically playing 3 1/2 to 4 guards at a time. You can either make plays or you can't. You can win big or small, quick or deliberate, hockey line, or ironman. There is no script anymore. Comes down to chemistry, talent, and kids accepting roles. Last year we had issues with all three.
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Trust the staff, with 2 schollies remaining, I bet they feel the same way and will correct it.
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Any way you slice it, we need to sign a big, strong player who will be eligible next year who can contribute significant points, rebounds and a defensive presence immediately. We need all of that, and we need to get to 10 eligible scholarship players fro 2018-19. What are our chances on these types of players? We need one desperately.
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Any way you slice it, we need to sign a big, strong player who will be eligible next year who can contribute significant points, rebounds and a defensive presence immediately. We need all of that, and we need to get to 10 eligible scholarship players fro 2018-19. What are our chances on these types of players? We need one desperately.
I would be shocked if the coaching staff isnít doing everything they can to make this happen. Itís not easy to land these guys because such a large number of programs seem to need one. Iím confident we will get one but it might take more time than ready for next year.
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Landers is the glue that will hold this team together for the next two seasons! When he is in the game he makes things happen and the others rally around him.
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Any way you slice it, we need to sign a big, strong player who will be eligible next year who can contribute significant points, rebounds and a defensive presence immediately. We need all of that, and we need to get to 10 eligible scholarship players fro 2018-19. What are our chances on these types of players? We need one desperately.
Charles Barkley was 6'6" (and 250). Trey is 6'5" (and 225). I'm not saying they're the same, but, we're not playing for an NBA championship either. It's just that a really strong bull in the mix can make a difference. Particularly when that player is a leader and has ball instincts. If Trey adds strength and bulk in the offseason he can play the 4 at this level.
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It also depends on what style AG is going for. AG seems to be targeting guys who can run and spread the floor. Even the tall guys he's brought in (Frankie, Obi) are athletic. They aren't "big".

A big strong post player doesn't help if he can't run the floor. I won't be shocked if he doesn't bring in a 6'9"+ 240lb+ guy.
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Charles Barkley was 6'6" (and 250). Trey is 6'5" (and 225). I'm not saying they're the same, but, we're not playing for an NBA championship either. It's just that a really strong bull in the mix can make a difference. Particularly when that player is a leader and has ball instincts. If Trey adds strength and bulk in the offseason he can play the 4 at this level.
Barkley was actually closer to 6'4". Want Trey to stay just where he is size-wise. He was way too bulky his freshman year and was a bull in a china shop. Tremendous athlete that has improved, and hopefully will continue, his outside shot and handle....

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I would be fine with a 6'4-6'8 guy if he has some physicality and toughness for the defensive end to contend with the Tillmans and the brutes St Louis is bringing in
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Grant: Dayton improves ‘play-making ability’ with addition of Chatman

“We talked about a need for our team to have more guys with play-making ability and the need to increase our skill level on the perimeter,” Grant said. “When you look at last year, we were a pretty efficient team in terms of our ability to score the ball, but we struggled in terms of our ability to take care of the ball at times and with some of the decision making in crucial situations, so the priority for myself and our staff was to increase the skill level and the play-making ability on our team, so when you can add a guy like Rodney to go along with Crutcher and Cohill — and Jordan Davis is a guy who’s developing that ability to play-make for us as well in the backcourt — it really helps.”

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Yeah I agree with AG there. DD was our "playmaker" which is to say we had him out of position. Siebert was a playmaker. Cooke was a playmaker. We didn't have one last year, we had guys who dribbled around the perimeter hoping for something to happen. No one who could really MAKE it happen.
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Maybe its just me but I see Landers getting much of his playing time as an undersized four man.
That what he is. Not sure why most list him as a 2/3.
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Chatman was one of only 32 players to average 13+ points, 4+ assists, 4+ rebounds, and 1+ steals per game last season. Thatís pretty good company.

Jon Axel Gudmundsson of Davidson did that as well, I would not have guessed he had that good a season for them.

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Yeah I agree with AG there. DD was our "playmaker" which is to say we had him out of position. Siebert was a playmaker. Cooke was a playmaker. We didn't have one last year, we had guys who dribbled around the perimeter hoping for something to happen. No one who could really MAKE it happen.
I agree no one player could take over the game, or being counted on to close out the game.

But, leaving Josh out of the equation because he only scored dunks when someone decided to pass to him, here is an interesting set of data:

Our 4 starters minus Josh shot 37% from 3 point. Not too shabby.
Inside the arc minus Josh, those same four starters shot 56%. We have a pretty good foundation of shooters to build on with more on the way. But again as you said, no reliable playmaker. Cohill has the look of a playmaker.

More than anything our stats show what a drag on our production our bench was.
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[QUOTE=THirt;550258]Chatman was one of only 32 players to average 13+ points, 4+ assists, 4+ rebounds, and 1+ steals per game last season. Thatís pretty good company.

Jon Axel Gudmundsson of Davidson did that as well, I would not have guessed he had that good a season for them.

they played Chattanooga's competition. They played nobody. Hard to judge Chatman's value against the tomato cans they went up against.
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer View Post
I agree no one player could take over the game, or being counted on to close out the game.

But, leaving Josh out of the equation because he only scored dunks when someone decided to pass to him, here is an interesting set of data:

Our 4 starters minus Josh shot 37% from 3 point. Not too shabby.
Inside the arc minus Josh, those same four starters shot 56%. We have a pretty good foundation of shooters to build on with more on the way. But again as you said, no reliable playmaker. Cohill has the look of a playmaker.

More than anything our stats show what a drag on our production our bench was.
Yeah, and in my mind, that was the mark of the lack of a playmaker. When the defense broke down we've got guys that can shoot. But when the defense was sturdy we just passed the ball around hoping for the defense to make a mistake; no one could force the defense into a mistake. When there wasn't one, we turned the ball over.
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