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Old 05-09-2019, 05:12 PM
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Like the sounds of this...”Obi to Jacob, back to Obi for the slam” or....”Obi to Jacob, to Obi...back to Jacob for the slam”...”The Toppins have 13 dunks between them tonight”
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Don and Ken May

Tommy and Gordy Hatton

Sign on the dotted line, Jacob.
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Old 05-09-2019, 05:23 PM
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Don and Ken May

Tommy and Gordy Hatton

Sign on the dotted line, Jacob.
Weren't Don and Ken May cousins?
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Old 05-09-2019, 05:40 PM
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No. They are brothers.
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Just curious for those that follow such things closer, what other schools are in on Jacob?
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Just curious for those that follow such things closer, what other schools are in on Jacob?
Low majors, plus Rhode Island. But the kid looks legit.
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Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 View Post
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According to a source, 2019 Woodstock Academy forward Jacob Toppin, brother of @otoppin1, is currently on an official visit to @DaytonFlyers.
cc: @coreyevans_10

Lock him down! lol
ohhhh my gosh!! oh my goodness!.... lock him down! am I thinking too far ahead peeps? let's say he does sign with us, does that mean that Obi comes back for 1 more season, or are they independant of eacyh other... sorry for the spelling, having a bad eye day today...
so would this mean Obi is coming back, or that really doesn't mean that? wondering
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Old 05-09-2019, 08:20 PM
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I believe Obi's propensity to stay would be a bit higher if his brother comes here...or vice-versa.
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Old 05-09-2019, 09:54 PM
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Thirteen or fourteen members of the Harris family.
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Old 05-09-2019, 10:05 PM
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The Sisemore brothers till one transferred to Tampa.
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Someone mentioned fathers and sons - the Uhls.
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Originally Posted by steverino015 View Post
ohhhh my gosh!! oh my goodness!.... lock him down! am I thinking too far ahead peeps? let's say he does sign with us, does that mean that Obi comes back for 1 more season, or are they independant of eacyh other... sorry for the spelling, having a bad eye day today...
so would this mean Obi is coming back, or that really doesn't mean that? wondering
One doesn’t relate to the other that anyone on here can confirm
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Old 05-10-2019, 11:57 AM
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Obi is such a great person and (apparently) teammate. I love watching him interact with others on the court. If Jacob is even half that, he would be a welcome addition indeed.
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Kareem Reid a 2020 Foward out of Putnam Science Academy just reclassified 2019.

Dayton was recruiting him for 2020

Reid is set to announce on Monday.
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Final Five for Jacob (per Obi's instagram):

Dayton
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Oklahoma State
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My guess is his decision is coming in the near future
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Final Five for Jacob (per Obi's instagram):

Dayton
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St. John's
Oklahoma State
Virginia Tech

My guess is his decision is coming in the near future

So in the next week or so, Obi and Jacob announce at the same time they will both be Flyers next year. That same night I hit the MegaMillions Jackpot.
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Toppin is doing a 5th year at Woodstock?
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Someone mentioned fathers and sons - the Uhls.
The Donohers.
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Someone mentioned fathers and sons - the Uhls.
The Paxsons, The Harrises

Brothers: Bockhorns
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The Paxsons, The Harrises

Brothers: Bockhorns
The brothers Allen (Pat & Mike)
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The brothers Allen (Pat & Mike)
The Brothers Karamazov? Oh sorry, thought we were just doing famous brothers.
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The Brothers Karamazov? Oh sorry, thought we were just doing famous brothers.
Larry, his brother Darryl, and his other brother Darryl.
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Any Michigan recruits Dayton was interested in? Their coach just left for the Cleveland Cavaliers.
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Any Michigan recruits Dayton was interested in? Their coach just left for the Cleveland Cavaliers.
I think Michigan had just two incoming 2019 guys... one of who is from Denton (Dallas area) and the other from Washington state. Those are two areas Dayton doesn't generally recruit so chances there was much of a relationship there is slim, if those guys try to get out of their LOIs. But Beilein always cast a wide net with recruiting... he would go after the highly ranked guys but a lot of times he seemed to find more unheralded guys who he thought were better players for his system, and you can't argue with the results. He's a great coach. But yes, on the recruiting trail, in recent years especially Dayton has seemed to be involved with quite a few guys Michigan was recruiting. So based off history alone (I haven't paid as much attention recently so that's all I have to go off of), I would guess that for future classes 2020 and beyond, there's probably some overlap in recruiting.

But there's always the possibility too of further fall out... who does Michigan hire? And what is the situation with recruits / transfers at that school if they hire someone away...

Anyway, it will be very interesting to watch. Both in terms of its impact upon the college basketball landscape but also the NBA. Not a Michigan fan, but love Beilein and can't help rooting for him, but will he succeed there? He always struck me as a guy who loved to teach, not manage egos. So I'm very surprised he of all people would make the jump to the NBA, though obviously he's competitive... has climbed all the way up the ranks from high school JV coach in a historic career so why not end it at the very top level.
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Anyway, it will be very interesting to watch. Both in terms of its impact upon the college basketball landscape but also the NBA. Not a Michigan fan, but love Beilein and can't help rooting for him, but will he succeed there? He always struck me as a guy who loved to teach, not manage egos. So I'm very surprised he of all people would make the jump to the NBA, though obviously he's competitive... has climbed all the way up the ranks from high school JV coach in a historic career so why not end it at the very top level.
It will be interesting to watch. I think Brad Stevens had trouble managing the egos and personalities on he Celtics this year.
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Reid is set to announce on Monday.

Pulls a rabbit out of a hat and goes to Gardner-Webb.
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Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 View Post
Final Five for Jacob (per Obi's instagram):

Dayton
URI
St. John's
Oklahoma State
Virginia Tech

My guess is his decision is coming in the near future
That is a good list of suitors. I was under the impression most of the schools after him were mid major. I wonder if his stock has risen based on his play, he is considered a late bloomer like Obi, or both.

Given Obi’s seemingly happiness with the program I would think this bodes well for AG to reel him in. However, a lot of kids like to strike out on their own. Let’s face it, Obi casts a long shadow...both literally and figuratively.
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Pulls a rabbit out of a hat and goes to Gardner-Webb.
How did we lose a recruit from PSA to Gardner-Webb ?
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Also supposedly had offers from UConn, Rutgers and VCU, among others. Maybe he wants to be a big fish in a small pond.
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Some kids are now looking at college differently. Go to Webb and start as a freshman, then excel for a couple of years and transfer to a great program. Go to Dayton, VCU or UCONN and sit for a couple of years.
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Any Michigan recruits Dayton was interested in? Their coach just left for the Cleveland Cavaliers.
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That is a good list of suitors. I was under the impression most of the schools after him were mid major. I wonder if his stock has risen based on his play, he is considered a late bloomer like Obi, or both.

Given Obi’s seemingly happiness with the program I would think this bodes well for AG to reel him in. However, a lot of kids like to strike out on their own. Let’s face it, Obi casts a long shadow...both literally and figuratively.
I wonder if this decision isn't already made. Can't find anything about on Oklahoma State or SJU boards
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I wonder if this decision isn't already made. Can't find anything about on Oklahoma State or SJU boards

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Could be he's made a decision (or mostly made one), but is waiting on Obi to announce his final decision.
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Could be he's made a decision (or mostly made one), but is waiting on Obi to announce his final decision.
i was thinking the same thing... could be, we'll see...)
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Samari Curtis officially committed to Nebraska per verbalcommitts.com so I guess he is Big10 good!
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Nebraska does seem like a strange place for him to end up.
Nebraska just hired Fred Hoiberg. Turned Iowa State in to a top 15 school while he was there. Has good NBA experience. I can definietly understand the appeal of playing at Nebraska.

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I understand guys just wanting to get away from home. However, I'd pick some place other than Lincoln, NE.
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I understand guys just wanting to get away from home. However, I'd pick some place other than Lincoln, NE.
Why? How much do you know about Lincoln? Are you aware it is twice the size of Dayton?
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Why? How much do you know about Lincoln? Are you aware it is twice the size of Dayton?
I have been to Lincoln but admittedly it has been many years. It is not the size of the city. I have a bias against any place that is pretty isolated. Closest major city is KC, 200 miles away. After that? Dallas?
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I have been to Lincoln but admittedly it has been many years. It is not the size of the city. I have a bias against any place that is pretty isolated. Closest major city is KC, 200 miles away. After that? Dallas?
As a point of interest, Lincoln is 50-60 miles from Omaha which has a population of a half million and a metropolitan area of nearly a million. I have no particular interest in the Lincoln/Omaha area but I wouldn't really call Lincoln "isolated".

This issue has been discussed many times on this board and I, too, often wonder why a kid goes to Manhattan, KS, Lubbock, TX, Lexington, KY, Tuscaloosa, AL, etc. to play big time basketball. It could be the coach, perceived playing time, relatives in the area, etc. that is the draw. As has been mentioned by others here, what is the big attraction in Dayton that draws kids from far away to come here to play.
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Why? How much do you know about Lincoln? Are you aware it is twice the size of Dayton?
Agree - I lived in Omaha for a year and it’s a vibrant city - very similar to Columbus in attractions and opportunities. Not sure anyone from Dayton area should be bringing location into the discussion
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We need to get Jordy's input. Pretty nice scenery above. What's not to like?
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Why? How much do you know about Lincoln? Are you aware it is twice the size of Dayton?
Baloney. The Lincoln metro area is less than half the Dayton Metro area.
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We need to get Jordy's input. Pretty nice scenery above. What's not to like?
Apparently Jordy didn't like it. Remember he doesn't go there any more.
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As a point of interest, Lincoln is 50-60 miles from Omaha which has a population of a half million and a metropolitan area of nearly a million. I have no particular interest in the Lincoln/Omaha area but I wouldn't really call Lincoln "isolated".

This issue has been discussed many times on this board and I, too, often wonder why a kid goes to Manhattan, KS, Lubbock, TX, Lexington, KY, Tuscaloosa, AL, etc. to play big time basketball. It could be the coach, perceived playing time, relatives in the area, etc. that is the draw. As has been mentioned by others here, what is the big attraction in Dayton that draws kids from far away to come here to play.
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Agree - I lived in Omaha for a year and it’s a vibrant city - very similar to Columbus in attractions and opportunities. Not sure anyone from Dayton area should be bringing location into the discussion
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Baloney. The Lincoln metro area is less than half the Dayton Metro area.
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Dayton MSA is 800k. Lincoln MSA is 300k. Omaha is 60 miles from Lincoln. Should Cincinnati be included with Dayton?
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I have been to Lincoln but admittedly it has been many years. It is not the size of the city. I have a bias against any place that is pretty isolated. Closest major city is KC, 200 miles away. After that? Dallas?
There are a handful of schools that have a unique “feel” because they are located next to the downtown business district, state capital/ governor’s office and are a large university. It’s a unique mix when you go to lunch to experience business professionals, politicians and students. Lincoln is one of those places. Austin, TX and Madison, WI are too. Madison also has two large lakes which makes it very attractive. There are others I’m sure...but from a field of 50...not too many.
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There are a handful of schools that have a unique “feel” because they are located next to the downtown business district, state capital/ governor’s office and are a large university. It’s a unique mix when you go to lunch to experience business professionals, politicians and students. Lincoln is one of those places. Austin, TX and Madison, WI are too. Madison also has two large lakes which makes it very attractive. There are others I’m sure...but from a field of 50...not too many.
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This thread of comparing cities and the good and bad is nice for this thread, but I doubt most kids care much about the city. It is all about the campus and the team(s) and the conference, and the coaches. I am sure the kids in Lincoln, Nebraska said to each other, "Jordy Tshimanga is going to where, and why?"
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There are a handful of schools that have a unique “feel” because they are located next to the downtown business district, state capital/ governor’s office and are a large university. It’s a unique mix when you go to lunch to experience business professionals, politicians and students. Lincoln is one of those places. Austin, TX and Madison, WI are too. Madison also has two large lakes which makes it very attractive. There are others I’m sure...but from a field of 50...not too many.

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Nebraska just hired Fred Hoiberg. Turned Iowa State in to a top 15 school while he was there. Has good NBA experience. I can definietly understand the appeal of playing at Nebraska.
Not too mention Nebraska elite facilities and was 11th in the country in attendance last year

Every game is on national television and they play an elite schedule
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Sometimes a kid doesn't want to be in his big brother's shadow by going to the same school and I bet that's what happened here... oh well next

So if no one else is added to this class, we would have 11 ready to roll for 19-20... Also, 4 big schollies to use for 2020, which looks to be awesome, because of how many high level guys we are looking at.
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Does this portend the early departure of Obi????
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Does this portend the early departure of Obi????
Or does this mean Obi is coming back and as lhsgolf said Jacob does not want to always be compared to big brother 24/7

We will know in a week or so
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Loving this off season. Lost Jordan. Lost Frankie. Didn't land the great white hype. Didn't land Obi's bro. Obi maybe leaving. Have added no shooting. Schedule sucks. Conference sucks.
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I live in Rhode Island . How the did we lose Obi's brother to URI ?

This is really bad . I don't believe Grant will make it . His recruiting is

pitiful .
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After the last two responses, I whole-heartedly agree. Geez folks, first effing world problems.
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bank those two scholarships and target transfers after next year. They sit out a year and then the loss of the big junior class is blunted

Get a proven PG next year to sit out and come in for Crutcher and there's a greater chance of reloading than rebuilding after the Crutcher class goes
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Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 View Post
Sometimes a kid doesn't want to be in his big brother's shadow by going to the same school and I bet that's what happened here... oh well next

So if no one else is added to this class, we would have 11 ready to roll for 19-20... Also, 4 big schollies to use for 2020, which looks to be awesome, because of how many high level guys we are looking at.
If they are anything like me and my brother, they would be too competitive against each other and my brother would have gone to another school just for the chance to beat me.

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Does this portend the early departure of Obi????
No! I can pretty much guarantee the decisions had nothing to do with each other. Obi will be back, those of you worrying need to back away from the ledge. He was not invited to any combines, only did a few team workouts. Just use common sense here.

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I live in Rhode Island . How the did we lose Obi's brother to URI ?

This is really bad . I don't believe Grant will make it . His recruiting is

pitiful .
Stop it! URI was the first big school to offer him, have been recruiting him the hardest the longest. They recruited Obi, before we did, so they would have developed a relationship with Jacob then, this happens. EC Mathews picked URI over Dayton, did things work out for Archie? Relax!

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Good luck to Jacob at RI. I’m not surprised he didn’t follow Obi to UD. I am surprised he’s headed to an A10 school. I think Comparisons to Obi will be worse in this case. Let’s just start with Rookie of the Year and 80+ dunks his first year. I’ve read the RI fan forum after a loss. It can be brutal. At UD there would be comparisons, but he would have been treated like family....always.
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Good luck to Jacob at RI. I’m not surprised he didn’t follow Obi to UD. I am surprised he’s headed to an A10 school. I think Comparisons to Obi will be worse in this case. Let’s just start with Rookie of the Year and 80+ dunks his first year. I’ve read the RI fan forum after a loss. It can be brutal. At UD there would be comparisons, but he would have been treated like family....always.
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I live in Rhode Island . How the did we lose Obi's brother to URI ?

This is really bad . I don't believe Grant will make it . His recruiting is

pitiful .

If there is one thing i am not sorried about with grant, it is recruiting.
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If there is one thing i am not worried about with grant, it is recruiting.
+1

“Pitiful” recruiting? Um, take a gander at the roster. You can argue with the strategy, but Grant clearly was setting things up for year 3 & 4 with the addition of the transfers. With Jhery’s injury, we had five players sitting out last season that would be starters on most A10 teams. Have we swung and missed on some guys? Of course! But look at it rationally.

Jalen Crutcher: probably the second best PG in the conference, behind Marcus Evans.
Obi Toppin: All-A10, A10 ROY, possible draft pick this year or next.
Jhery Matos: was playing well before season-ending foot surgery. Jury’s out still on him.
Dwayne Cohill: chose UD over multiple top programs. Arguably our best 1-on-1 defender. Offense needs to improve but he is skilled.
Frankie Policelli: looks like the A10 was above his level. I hope he has a great career, but we’ll call this a miss.
Ibi Watson: jury’s out, but all reports are he is going to be very good
Rodney Chatman: was the best player on a bad team, filled up the stat sheet, reportedly is a tough, solid player.
Jordy Tshimanga: didn’t play a lot at the B1G level, but he’s a big body, has some skill and has transformed his body since he arrived. Should help in the A10
Chase Johnson: has barely played in 2 years but was a top-100 recruit and has all-league talent/athleticism.
Moulaye Sissoko: TBD, but he’s physically imposing and had some big schools interested.

So we have two spots open right now, and haven’t filled them yet. Would I have liked Jacob Toppin on the Flyers? Heck yeah. Would have been a lot of fun, a great story, and he has upside. But his is a complicated situation, with older brother maybe/maybe not even on the team next year, following in his footsteps, etc.

Options are somewhat limited for 2019 guys at this point, but I’m not going to call the recruiting “pitiful” because guys went to WV, Nebraska, and Texas A&M instead of Dayton. There are still a ton of transfers out there, probably a few more will open up. We got Jordy at the end of the summer last year. We got Chase at the semester break because we had an open spot.

As others have posted, the 2020 class is pretty deep, we are in on some top-notch guys, and probably want to keep some flexibility open. When I look at the roster (not forgetting Trey and Mikesell of course), I don’t see a ton of available minutes this year. I’m quite certain incoming freshmen see the same thing.

Pitiful recruiting? Nah.
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This is great, because all the announcers will refer to him as the brother of Dayton's Obi Toppin.
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Gotta balance the big picture with the short term. As others have mentioned there's 11 legit contributors on this roster for next year (I think Moulaye can provide some defense/rebound minutes off of the bench).

The cakes baked for the next two seasons with the transfers, Crutcher, Cohill and whatever time Obi has left. AG got the transfers he wanted and that's going to be the backbone of the roster

Right now the planning is for the 21-22 season when the big junior class gone.

Dayton makes the tourney next year, Obi goes in the first round and doors are going to open in recruiting next spring that aren't open this year
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Gotta balance the big picture with the short term. As others have mentioned there's 11 legit contributors on this roster for next year (I think Moulaye can provide some defense/rebound minutes off of the bench).

The cakes baked for the next two seasons with the transfers, Crutcher, Cohill and whatever time Obi has left. AG got the transfers he wanted and that's going to be the backbone of the roster

Right now the planning is for the 21-22 season when the big junior class gone.



Dayton makes the tourney next year, Obi goes in the first round and doors are going to open in recruiting next spring that aren't open this year

The Dayton fan in me loves this. Then again, the Dayton fan in me is extremely pessimistic too.
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I don't think anyone can fault a UD fan for being pessimistic

I see a lot of angst here and on Twitter about spring recruiting this year but if the transfers are as good as advertised, how many recruits are coming in and taking minutes for 4th year juniors, Crutcher and Obi. Too many people are focused on the short term versus the long term

Big picture recruiting wise for me getting a transfer PG next spring and hopefully another transfer is going to be the difference hopefully continuing success and going into a rebuild
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I'm fine with the 11 we have right now (please, please, please come back Obi). I agree with those who say it would be best to hold the other two and have four next year. If things stay as they are, we don't really need anybody else this year, unless we can get some under the radar stud.
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I don't think anyone can fault a UD fan for being pessimistic

I see a lot of angst here and on Twitter about spring recruiting this year but if the transfers are as good as advertised, how many recruits are coming in and taking minutes for 4th year juniors, Crutcher and Obi. Too many people are focused on the short term versus the long term

Big picture recruiting wise for me getting a transfer PG next spring and hopefully another transfer is going to be the difference hopefully continuing success and going into a rebuild
There's a lot of angst every year. Generally speaking, the rose colored glasses group on here "know" all of players they have never seen play are going to come in and help the team. The eeyores see the next step in (insert coach's name here) careening on a path to be lucky to win a single game and years of future futility.

There are years where the outlook is more clear than others. I tend to be pragmatic with a definite lean toward optimistic. This is one of those years where it is harder to judge because of the potential reliance on players most if not all of us haven't actually seen... especially if Obi leaves.

I am certainly hopeful but I think both extremes are more than a little over the top. We are probably going to lose one or two players every year that don't work out. That's the reality of college basketball now which means there is an assumption that some won't be good enough. As some have pointed out, we are a great landing spot for players that want more opportunity coming from power conferences. We seem to be getting some kids with NBA potential which should help with recruiting. What we haven't seen in a while is a kid transferring "up" from us to a power team but I have to believe it will happen.

I think we are trending the right direction. I am hopefully optimistic that some of the freshman/transfers will be better than the players they are replacing. I certainly hope Obi stays but recognize it's not my decision. Whether he stays or goes, I hope one or more of the new player is better than him!

I just don't know any of it.
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This issue has been discussed many times on this board and I, too, often wonder why a kid goes to Manhattan, KS, Lubbock, TX, Lexington, KY, Tuscaloosa, AL, etc. to play big time basketball. It could be the coach, perceived playing time, relatives in the area, etc. that is the draw. As has been mentioned by others here, what is the big attraction in Dayton that draws kids from far away to come here to play.
I would think the 25+ 1st round draft picks since 2010 plays a role in someone going to Lexington
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Outside of the many advantages that Kentucky has in basketball, Lexington is a fine city.
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Old 05-22-2019, 12:35 PM
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Regarding the angst and uncertainty that several have posted about, I believe it’s pretty easy to get a very clear understanding of the talent level the red-shirt 5 are going to bring and no you don’t need rose colored glasses to see this.

Leaving aside the observations those close to the program have repeatedly made, I think all we need to do is look at what AG is doing. He passed on a kid that many of the half full crowd saw as a must get. It is clear that he is more satisfied with the team even as it stands now since he’s not in a hurry sign talent or bodies. If there were serious needs, I think we’d have at least one additional signing.

AG is building a culture while he rebuilds the depleted roster he was left with. AM had to deal with some of the same issues but chose to take chances on several that weren’t likely his guys as he had different personal aspirations mixed in with his professional expectations.

I believe AG is here for the long haul and will likely never leave unless he’s asked to do so. He can afford to truly build the program not just a short term winner. I think he’s the perfect hybrid of BG and AM as he has a love for UD stronger than BG and has the coaching ability to build the players he brings in.

Hang on as the ride could get real wild real soon.
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Greatful to speak to Coach Greer @DaytonMBB ! A french basketball league legend and recent hall of fame inductee !


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