Can big Steve take a charge?

[31770]

Can Big Mac do it constantly?

What does that mean? Does it matter?

[T-Bone 84]

Not that big a deal, IMHO. It's a good skill to have, but when you have Steve's wingspan, I want him playing defense by going up (to block shots), not down (to take charges).
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[FlyerGuyer]

If Big Steve takes a charge and falls in the forest but no else one is around, did he really take a charge?

[FlightClub.33.32.15.1]

He's gotta be able to move his feet better. Got some fouls called on him because Vandy's guards just blew right by him a few times tonight.

Now do I expect him to be able to keep up with them? No. But if he can move his feet a little better and improve upon his lateral quickness, he can alter a lot more shots and really become a force defensively.

[Cityengr]

Originally Posted by FlightClub.33.32.15.1 He's gotta be able to move his feet better. Got some fouls called on him because Vandy's guards just blew right by him a few times tonight. Now do I expect him to be able to keep up with them? No. But if he can move his feet a little better and improve upon his lateral quickness, he can alter a lot more shots and really become a force defensively.

Good observation.... As he came out with his fourth foul Archie just said to him "you gotta move your feet!"

[NJFlyr71]

Steve is still getting over his own body. In HS he probably didn't need to do too much at his size. Although he has been on the team since last year, I believe he had a lot of weight and strength issues that were worked on.

He is still getting use to other D1 players from the opponents and the exposure can be used to motivate him to do the things that need improvement. All this will come with some time.

We already have evidence that Steve is motivated (weight loss, etc) so between Steve and Archie (who we also have evidence that he develops players ) all this will come to pass and we can enjoy his development and performance for this season and those to come.

[ohioflyer]

Big Steve is a Freshman! Just think how good he might be as Jr. / Sr. -

[rollo]

Big Steve is in the top 3 on this team for MVP. He won't win it, but we won't win anything without him.

[Gazoo]

Steve has been picking up fouls because he's letting opposing guards get into his body while driving. He needs to retreat more aggressively by moving his feet and stay between the guard and the basket. Make them shoot over him. If they make the shot, fine, but maintain your space.

[Browns]

Originally Posted by FlyerGuyer If Big Steve takes a charge and falls in the forest but no else one is around, did he really take a charge?

I think I know the answer to to one. It's no, because if no one is around a) who would the charge have been on? and b) no one was around to make the call.

[Swampy Meadows]

Originally Posted by FlightClub.33.32.15.1 He's gotta be able to move his feet better. Got some fouls called on him because Vandy's guards just blew right by him a few times tonight.

Several times the Vandy guards didn't "blow by" Steve or KP, they drove directly into them and got the foul call.

That ain't right, no matter what the new point of emphasis says.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows Several times the Vandy guards didn't "blow by" Steve or KP, they drove directly into them and got the foul call. That ain't right, no matter what the new point of emphasis says.

Thought the same thing. Reminded me of the Gonzaga game when their only shot was to have Pangos and Stockton drive into us in the lane, looking for the call. Last night Scoochie tried that and got called for the charge.

[rollo]

6'11" basketball players don't take charges. And I wouldn't recruit one who did.

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by ohioflyer Big Steve is a Freshman! Just think how good he might be as Jr. / Sr. -

Not to mention how seriously he takes hard work. L-E-A-D-E-R!

[priceg75]

Originally Posted by rollo 6'11" basketball players don't take charges. And I wouldn't recruit one who did.

Their 7' guy didn't seem to have a problem flopping around out there. And it worked for a bit.

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by rollo 6'11" basketball players don't take charges. And I wouldn't recruit one who did.

It's hard for them to maintain cushions with their feet once guards get into them too. I think his lateral coverage has gotten better from the start but if he set his feet and squared-up he could stone a guard driving the lane. They wouldn't answer the bell for round 2.

[Whacker]

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows Several times the Vandy guards didn't "blow by" Steve or KP, they drove directly into them and got the foul call. That ain't right, no matter what the new point of emphasis says.

I couldn't agree more. If the arm bar is now an automatic whistle on the defense, then any offensive player making contact with the forearm should also be an automatic whistle.

[UDBrian]

I think we are nit picking a little worrying if steve will take more charges, that is for a player who cannot block shots. He will certainly alter more shots than the entire team did last year and probably accomplish that half way into the season. He has shown a surprising ability to close at the very end and block shots which makes little guys think when they come into the paint.

He can improve his footwork but right now he is doing everything I could have hoped for.

[maddog07]

Originally Posted by rollo Big Steve is in the top 3 on this team for MVP. He won't win it, but we won't win anything without him.

Over Cooke, Pollard, Scoochie. Who then is fourth? Our leading scorer, our play maker, our most explosive player? All play way more minutes and score more. Don't dispute Big Steve's valuable, but he might even be 5th most valuable- at least until DP returns. Think this a royal error.

Wish he's get to the line once in a while.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by maddog07 Over Cooke, Pollard, Scoochie. Who then is fourth? Our leading scorer, our play maker, our most explosive player? All play way more minutes and score more. Don't dispute Big Steve's valuable, but he might even be 5th most valuable- at least until DP returns. Think this a royal error. Wish he's get to the line once in a while.

Pollard hasn't dominated a game until last night, and 1 game isn't enough to pass Big Steve.

My early MVP votes go to:

1) Scoochie, 2) Cooke, 3) Big Steve, 4) Pollard.

[CE80]

My MVP:
1) Scoochie, 2) Scoochie, 3) Scoochie, 4) Scoochie, 5) Scoochie

We can work around everyone else but if he was to go down, we are in serious trouble.

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by maddog07 Over Cooke, Pollard, Scoochie. Who then is fourth? Our leading scorer, our play maker, our most explosive player? All play way more minutes and score more. Don't dispute Big Steve's valuable, but he might even be 5th most valuable- at least until DP returns. Think this a royal error. Wish he's get to the line once in a while.

TBD. Outside of Steve my front-runner would be XW followed by SM, then a tie btween JC and RM.

[Gazoo]

Steve may actually be one of the most valuable, I agree with Rollo. Just his presence in the post makes us a totally different team. When he plays well we play well.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by Gazoo I agree with Rollo.

Are you undergoing concussion protocol or something?!

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by rollo Are you undergoing concussion protocol or something?!

I don't always agree with rollo, but when I do, the coaches take my helmet away and make me sit on the bench for a few plays.

[rollo]

Gazoo, his lucky helmet and Coach Brooks...

[Sea Bass]

Steve leads the Flyers in +/- this year.

[31770]

I guess part of my point is that big Steve is... well... BIG!
He takes up a ton of space in the paint. I had watched a coach interview with the doors (who we walked thru) and it seemed part of their game plan was to put the Big mac in foul trouble. We all know he tends to foul too much at times. As he develops would it be better that he just blocks shots or can put the other team in foul trouble? Does knowing how and when to take a charge help keep him in games? I know at this point I'm leading the witness but I'm curious of other points of view....

[Flyer 86]

Originally Posted by rollo 6'11" basketball players don't take charges. And I wouldn't recruit one who did.

Howver STeve had their star guy pretty trapped . Steve gave up his body space, as the guy jammed over him aggressively.

Not Cool. Just body up, hold your ground!

[31770]

Originally Posted by priceg75 Their 7' guy didn't seem to have a problem flopping around out there. And it worked for a bit.

Originally Posted by rollo 6'11" basketball players don't take charges. And I wouldn't recruit one who did.

I don't agree.... reasons above. Sometimes taking a charge is smart, especially with all the rule changes this year. You can't really "body up" with an arm bar on the back anymore... Steve has gotten lots of whistles for doing just that. But if he arms up and holds his feet, let contact come to him he gets that call, stays out of foul trouble and puts stress on there guys with the fouls. I'm not saying it's something to do always, but i think it's a value valuable tool that demonstrates bb intelligence. Ideally you should be able to put up a 2x body weight bench and solve a differential equitation.

Speaking of bench press, Rollo i miss your gross steroided out balloon man avitars

[CraSch]

Originally Posted by FlightClub.33.32.15.1 He's gotta be able to move his feet better. Got some fouls called on him because Vandy's guards just blew right by him a few times tonight. Now do I expect him to be able to keep up with them? No. But if he can move his feet a little better and improve upon his lateral quickness, he can alter a lot more shots and really become a force defensively.

This simply tells me our guards got smoked. Should NOT be expecting a 6-11 center to stop every guard. I love Kyle Davis, but he actually got beat a few times.....unusual, but it happened. Flyers hedge HARD, this leaves Steve vulnerable to little guys if they beat our guards.

[FlightClub.33.32.15.1]

Originally Posted by CraSch This simply tells me our guards got smoked. Should NOT be expecting a 6-11 center to stop every guard. I love Kyle Davis, but he actually got beat a few times.....unusual, but it happened. Flyers hedge HARD, this leaves Steve vulnerable to little guys if they beat our guards.

I guess what I was referring to was more of Steve's guy coming up for an on ball screen and Steve being a step (or two) slow to hedge, thus having their guys running into and/or by him drawing a foul. He will get better with time at that, and we aren't going to be playing many all-around good teams like Vandy the rest of the season.

[CraSch]

Ah, I understand. That I agree with, and he will get better. Only 8 gsmes into what is hopefully a 130+ game career

[FLYER5]

Not a whole lot has been mentioned in regard to Steve's physical development going forward. The guy has the frame to put on huge amounts of muscle imo. His hard work as the major contributor I think he'll get bigger than he is now with the weights. What say, Rollo, I think he could use some definition in his upper body. I mean he's got that lanky body-type you see on some c#ckstrong guys that don't need a lot of weight training to be effective. I've seen those. It looks like Steve would benefit greatly from weight training.

Edit for accuracy: I realize he is 6'11'', yes..

[CE80]

is hard for a 6' 11" guy to get the charging call against a small guard. Muscle is important but Steve also needs to be better conditioned.

[TerryK_67]

Two possessions in a row that Baldwin guy for Vanderbilt just dribbled shoulder first into us. Once to Kendall and then big Steve, and both were deemed defensive fouls. In fact I was surprised that he didn't continue to do that. It would have to be really really blatant for the ref to call it with Big Steve trying to take a charge. IMHO, he would be much better off avoiding the contact and using his height to block or alter the shot.

[Windy City Flyer]

Originally Posted by priceg75 Their 7' guy didn't seem to have a problem flopping around out there. And it worked for a bit.

I don't want my big man taking charges. I want him protecting the rim. Damian Jones is a JR. He weights 245 lbs Big Steve outweighs him by 20 lbs.

It's rare to get a center that has that combination of speed and size. If you do they typically are a one and done player. UD is fortunate to have a legit back to the basket big man that has some moves already. Two years from now, Big Steve will a force. As a freshman I couldn't be happier with where he is at.

[Gazoo]

I hated Bill Laimbeer. I mean I really hated that guy. But I wish more centers would master the art of standing straight up and just NOT falling down. For some reason we've collectively decided that when contact happens you have to fall down to take the charge. Why not just stand straight up, arms to the sky, and let the guy run into you? When you fall down you tend to force the ref to make a call but when you just stand there the ref is more likely to just let the game play on, and then you're not out of position if the guy misses the shot and there's no call.

[Swampy Meadows]

Gazoo:

The only problem is that in today's college game that will still be called a defensive foul.

Every time.