Red and Blue Game Observations

[Fudd]

I know it's early, but before I forget I thought I would start this thread so we don't have the observations spread around a few seperate threads after the game.

[FlyerFanatic08]

what times the game tonight? 7?

[Fudd]

Everything I have seen says that the men begin warming up around 7:45 pm.

[Chris R]

In past years I put the Red/Blue thread into the archived seasonal subforums. Fudd, can I put you in charge of creating a R/B thread in the 2010-2011 subforum tonight? Or anyone that will be online?

Thanks.

[Fudd]

Originally Posted by Chris R In past years I put the Red/Blue thread into the archived seasonal subforums. Fudd, can I put you in charge of creating a R/B thread in the 2010-2011 subforum tonight? Or anyone that will be online? Thanks.

I was thinking maybe I could move this thread in there later tonight. I'm not too practiced at moving threads, but I assume that it is possible to move a thread from a forum into a subforum. Do you think that is possible?

[Tony T 71]

Everyone needs to remember that tonight is just like an nfl or nba exhibition game. Don't get too excited or too depressed based on an intra-squad scrimmage

[Tony T 71]

So we can have one game thread

[lhsgolf19]

Sounds good to me

My bad guys

[Sea Bass]

good group of freshman. The competition for minutes will be brutal

[TA111]

Fudd-I disagree with your assessment. We saw more offensive capability out of the 5 position in this scrimmage than in the past 4 years. Searcy really showed a nice touch and kavs looks like different player. kavs had at least 3 really nice passes for easy looks and finished when he needed to. Heck, he was the leading scorer on the floor for a while. We are much better at the 5 this year on offense. Staten is a very good player. always seems under control with a nice 15' pull-up-and man is he quick. really impressed with Spearman, Hill and Oliver. They definitely held their own tonight.

[masonflyer]

Don't get me wrong, I always thought that Staten would start and still do. Just didn't think that tonight he showed much more than Parker. Of course I was watching a really bad picture and the announcer wasn't much of a help. Big men looked good too and so did Spearman.

[Fudd]

Originally Posted by TA111 Fudd-I disagree with your assessment. We saw more offensive capability out of the 5 position in this scrimmage than in the past 4 years. Searcy really showed a nice touch and kavs looks like different player. kavs had at least 3 really nice passes for easy looks and finished when he needed to. Heck, he was the leading scorer on the floor for a while. We are much better at the 5 this year on offense. Staten is a very good player. always seems under control with a nice 15' pull-up-and man is he quick. really impressed with Spearman, Hill and Oliver. They definitely held their own tonight.

You might be right about our bigs. I can't be sure after one scrimmage. They all had streaks of playing well. I definitely agree that our overall offense looks better. We have a lot more perimeter threats, which is going to open things up some.

[Gazoo]

The concern is post defense not post offense, so pointing out how good the big guys looked scoring is not comforting.

[Marysville Flyer]

Most impressed with Spearman tonight. He is ready to play a lot of minutes. He did a real nice job of guarding the point tonight at times and didn't seem slow in doing so. He looks real solid on defense.

He has a sweet stroke and was strong taking it to the hoop. I liked all the freshman but was most suprised with BS. DO had a few real nice, solid moves and looks to want to be a beast on the boards. Once he bulks up , he could be a beast.

I was real impressed with JP too. His intensity on defense was constant and fierce.

Biggest question mark is interior defense.

[Tony T 71]

Before he is done BS will be a dominating pure scorer on offense. He has all the tools
It was hard to tell about post defense. I told my son that we may miss KH on defense this year

[daytonflyers]

Originally Posted by Gazoo The concern is post defense not post offense, so pointing out how good the big guys looked scoring is not comforting.

Why is the only concern post defense? Huelsman played half of the game very well and the other half rather horribly. This year's bigs seem to be lesser defenders for sure, but have more well rounded games. So maybe they give up a few more and maybe they finish a few more themselves.

[keats '91]

Really enjoyed the scrimmage.
It is going to be a great year. I am really excited about this years team and potential.

Few things that stuck in my mind ...
1) Paul W - Not sure why previous posters are banging on him being injuried. Looked to me that he has been focusing on changing his game to a drive and dish. He had handful of dishes that raised my eyebrow... how'd he see that ...
But agree that it will be fun to watch whether he is agressive for his shot or agressive to move defense and drop a nice pass.

2) Devin O - Oh my. Not sure what 'it' is, but he has it. He will find some court time. Saw him switch and guard Dillard (or maybe it was Parker) out front. Nice long armed defender. Not sure if he will spend more time at 2, 3, 4 ??? I just know good things happen when he is on the floor. And nice stroke from mid to long range.

3) I am glad Dillard has a year to sit and watch. Not in a negative way, but seriously. He has great feel for where the openings are. Slightly disappointed in some of his decisions in shooting, but like agressiveness. The only slight build of the new guards.

Lastly not on the team, but I am going to stuggle to watch this progression. Thing that stuck out to me was the guard's inclination to shoot early in the clock. I realize it was a scrimmage and the fast pace play is reinforced. But saw Dillard and Parker with some early shots that also made me raise an eyebrow. If they go down consistently, .... nice shot. If not, I see problems getting back on defense and poor game management.
Don't know if it was because it was scrimmage or it is sign of more things to come.

Go Flyers. Keep getting better every day.

[TA111]

Originally Posted by daytonflyers Why is the only concern post defense? Huelsman played half of the game very well and the other half rather horribly. This year's bigs seem to be lesser defenders for sure, but have more well rounded games. So maybe they give up a few more and maybe they finish a few more themselves.

Good point. I think we are 6-8 points better on offense this year-hopefully we are close to where we were last year on defense.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by daytonflyers Why is the only concern post defense? Huelsman played half of the game very well and the other half rather horribly. This year's bigs seem to be lesser defenders for sure, but have more well rounded games. So maybe they give up a few more and maybe they finish a few more themselves.

My biggest concern is the defensive plays KH never had to make. By being in the right place at the right time, drivers turned around before they had to face KH. To the nake eye it might have looked like the on-ball defender caught up to turn the drive back. If Devin can execute that BG will create a scholarship in his name before the season is done.

[Flyer2]

Originally Posted by TA111 Fudd-I disagree with your assessment. We saw more offensive capability out of the 5 position in this scrimmage than in the past 4 years. Searcy really showed a nice touch and kavs looks like different player. kavs had at least 3 really nice passes for easy looks and finished when he needed to. Heck, he was the leading scorer on the floor for a while. We are much better at the 5 this year on offense. Staten is a very good player. always seems under control with a nice 15' pull-up-and man is he quick. really impressed with Spearman, Hill and Oliver. They definitely held their own tonight.

I really don't have a clue on our bigs to play defense as it seemed very crowded under the basket. There was some great passing and soft touches on shots to the basket. Luke looked very good and was the only one trying to block out on rebounds. I think he has made so really good improvements on his defense although he did get called for a lot of fouls but he was guarding Chris Wright.

Wan looked really good, and has a super quick first step, great passing, and nice pull up jumper. For speed Dillard looked a little faster but his handle is not as good as Wan. Parker is really ripped and looked good against Wan but Wan has the edge.

Spearman is going to be quite the player- he has a really good handle and is able to penetrate with some great body control. Outside shot is very good and his body looks really strong. Devin Oliver also had a strong game with some good driving moves to the basket. The freshman did a good job and showed that they belong.

With that being said when they had the lineup of CW, CJ, JS, JP, and I believe DS they did not overwhelm the competition. Work to do.

Final observation is the team is more athletic than last year, really good ball handling and passing with decent defense. Would of liked to see them slow it down and see how they would operate in a half court offense.

[lhsgolf19]

BG, CJ & JP speak after the game

+ YouTube Video

[Sea Bass]

one other thing ... the passing was very good. Lot of extra passes made for an open shot

[frisco flyer]

In the video right around the 3 minute mark, it looked like Rosy was hanging out on the court behind CJ as he was being interviewd.

[John R]

Originally Posted by frisco flyer In the video right around the 3 minute mark, it looked like Rosy was hanging out on the court behind CJ as he was being interviewd.

Yes he was at the game sitting in sec 101

[The Wright Stuff]

Doug Harris weighs in with his comments on the Red & Blue Game....

http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs...cxtype=feedbot

[lhsgolf19]

In addition to the blog post by Doug Harris he has posted to articles as well:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayto...e--984693.html

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayto...rs-984694.html

[Chris R]

So hard to tell from these intra-squad scrimmages. I never try to make too many definitives from them. To me what stood out that has carry-over is how hard the guys looked like they competed out there. The guards of Staten, Parker, and Dillard were on each other like pit bulls and trying to make life difficult.

Thought the frosh all brought something tangible and each of them hit a trey I believe. So they can all step out and hit a jumper when needed. I like that. None of them had a stroke that looked like they had never shot the ball before beyond 10 feet.

Ill go down one by one:

KAVANAUGH -- Cleaned up a few misses by others inside. Didn't really generate anything of his own offensively. Just needs some confidence more than anything else. That has to come in a real game before he trusts his skills. Probably 3rd post man behind Searcy and Benson.

BENSON -- Fairly typical Josh-esque stuff out there. Great athleticism. Just needs more PT and polish.

SEARCY -- He's our starting center bar none. Drew fouls like flies. Needs to nail those free throws. Stepped out and hit a 14 foot jumper. He's the kind of center that can outrun the opposing center for a fast break dunk. Defense will dictate how good he is as a senior. Offensively, he'll get points just on his athleticism alone. He's always had quick hands.

JOHNSON -- Who cares. CJ always brings it.

WILLIAMS -- Deferred most of the night. Some speculate a tweak to one of his wheels.

FABRIZIUS -- Didn't shoot it well, but we did throw it to him on the right post a few times. Not sure if thats a new wrinkle or not.

WRIGHT -- Who cares?

OLIVER -- I REALLY like this kid. I see the same potential in him as I saw out of CJ coming in. He's a kid that played at the highest level in HS and was the best player on the best team. He does a little of everything. Can shoot, rebound, pass, battle inside for loose balls. He's just a basketball player and makes plays.

SPEARMAN -- Physically ready. Like the others, showed he can hit the jumpshot. Carries himself defensively like Williams.

HILL -- Has some very good upside. Like Oliver, was not ranked like Spearman or Staten but makes plays. He was not in the starting 10, so perhaps that suggests there is a pecking order already?

STATEN -- Juwan aint no waterbug. He is physically ready in the upper body aint wont be pushed around. Ball handling was never in question. He will help us as we all assumed he would. Probably the most natural of our PGs.

DILLARD -- Very quick. Decent handle. Looks more like a scorer than a ball-handling guard, but can help with ball handling when we are pinched up. Reminds me of Chip Jones in the sense that he has that posture of being a guy that can score in bunches but is not really a PG by nature. Very good addition.

PARKER - See Juwan. Our two PGs this year have beef on them. Josh and Juwan were going at each other like animals.


I liked how physical our guards were. Thats a requirement in our defense because we force teams to start their offense away from the basket and we don't gamble on double teams. Denying penetration is our calling card and winning one vs. one matchups. Ask most teams last year and London's and Lowry's physical nature outside the arc was a big reason why we tough defensively. Both Parker and Staten are two guys that are going to get in peoples' grills.

The question is, whos our third ball handler? Last year it was Mickey. Not sure I have an answer. Next year the answer is clear: Dillard. This year?

We should shoot the ball better this year from the outside. Post defense will be a concern. FTs are always an issue it seems. But from what I saw, I dont think we're ever going to question how hard the 2010-11 team will play or how much importance they put on D and rebounding.

In the end, I see our calling cards unchanged and the new guys seemed to have gotten the memo on it.

[Fudd]

Originally Posted by Chris R The question is, whos our third ball handler? Last year it was Mickey. Not sure I have an answer. Next year the answer is clear: Dillard. This year?

At media day, BG answered that question with "Paul Williams or Devin Oliver". I guess things could be changing now that he sees guys practicing, but that is what he said last week.

[THirt]

Originally Posted by Fudd At media day, BG answered that question with "Paul Williams or Devin Oliver". I guess things could be changing now that he sees guys practicing, but that is what he said last week.

Paul brought the ball up the court on a couple of occasions, so that might have meant something. Then again, Logan Nourse also brought it up a couple of times.

[FLYER5]

From what I could see from the stream I came away very encouraged. Most notably I think that Devin Searcy is going to 'complete' the fastest Flyer team I've ever seen. I mean with DS, CW CJ, (BS,JP,DO), JS, this team is really going to get out and go.

I can't wait to see some lead-in passes and ally-oops completed, (finally) from this new crop of ball distributors. That's something thats been hampering this team's ability to really soar is its ineffective passing in the half-court offense. I do expect to see less of the weave in coming years and if last night was an indicator, it looks to be shelved...

If we get a stellar senior year from Searcy and avoid injuries I can't help but think we'll be putting a better product on the court than last year. I'm as concerned as others about post defense/depth. I'd like to see JB play some decent post defense while improving on the rest of his game. That could be key for this year.

[BallgameJohnny]

I liked that Hill was guarding CW and for the most part, minus one easy layup did pretty well.