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PG John Crosby has committed to UD

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New Hampton (NH) post-grad guard John Crosby has committed to Dayton following this weekend's visit.

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John Crosby has committed to Dayton, per New Hampton coach Pete Hutchins. Very nice pick up for Archie Miller and his staff.

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Point guard John Crosby has committed to Dayton, per a source.

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John Crosby impressed at the Reebok Breakout Classic. Good size & speed. True combo guard. Had plenty of interest. Impressive pick up.
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Old 09-22-2014, 12:10 PM
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Xeyrius Williams, Sam Miller, Ryan Mikesell, John Crosby... Check Please!
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So we are over-committed by 1. Good situation to be in I guess - being a step ahead of a likely transfer.
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Old 09-22-2014, 12:39 PM
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Not surprising. This past weekend on campus had to have been Archie's dream recruiting weekend. The weather was perfect. The campus and surrounding neighborhoods were alive with numerous sporting, academic, student, and family events as part of family weekend. Any recruit - and their family - with interests beyond just hoops should have been suitably impressed.
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I like the 5 new additions next year - Charles Cooke could potentially be one of our best players. Could we see all 5 new players on the court at the same time?

Crosby - PG
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I like the 5 new additions next year - Charles Cooke could potentially be one of our best players. Could we see all 5 new players on the court at the same time?

Crosby - PG
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Why not, we had 4 freshmen and a soph on the court at the same time in the elite eight run. And everyone contributed.
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who is most likely to leave? I see 3 possible options:

1) Kyle Davis (Scoochie, Darrel Davis, Crosby, and Charles Cooke will play the bulk of the 1-2 position)

2) Jalen Robinson

3) Ryan Mikesell (lowest rated recruit - possible scholarship revoked?)
Just a reminder rumors regarding players etc are being held off the main board till it becomes a public matter. Lets let it run its course. I realize Paul Harvey has passed away but if we patiently wait we may know ....the rest of the story...
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Just for the record, while Jalen is not wearing the new Jersy he is still listed on the roster as of this date and time.
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I agree, obviously somebody is leaving the program, I find it distasteful to speculate who that person will be.
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I like the 5 new additions next year - Charles Cooke could potentially be one of our best players. Could we see all 5 new players on the court at the same time?

Crosby - PG
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Mikesell - SF
Xeyrius - PF
Miller - C
Absolutely! I really like the size and ability to play multiple positions that Archie is bringing!
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Just Asking Could someone do a postgrads year like Crosby is doing this year,then come in the following year ? Could someone be considered a walkon because they have a relative that works at UD ? Just asking
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Xeyrius Williams, Sam Miller, Ryan Mikesell, John Crosby... Check Please!
Alternatively written as Crosby, 'Sells, Sam & the Young Gun...

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So what is the story on Crosby? I've seen some old stories of UNC recruiting the 5 star kid, I've also read where he's a great student and wants to go somewhere with a good chemical engineering school. If he was a good student, and good enough to be looked at by UNC (as well as Maryland) why did he go the prep route school? Something seems "different".
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So what is the story on Crosby? I've seen some old stories of UNC recruiting the 5 star kid, I've also read where he's a great student and wants to go somewhere with a good chemical engineering school. If he was a good student, and good enough to be looked at by UNC (as well as Maryland) why did he go the prep route school? Something seems "different".
Obviously we are developing a conspiracy story line with this one. Hope NOT!
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No conspiracy story, just interested in the backstory. Typically, kids that are good students and are have taken a recruiting visit to UNC have a bunch of options and don't end up at a 5th year prep school. Kid could have been injuried, family sickness that delayed things, could have been holding out for a spot, didn't get in the spring, didn't like his options and decided to take a step back and get in some college credits at a prep school and push back the start of college a season. By many accounts, he's a good kid, so I don't suspect there was anything seedy going, just an atypical route for a kid that seems to have a bunch of options, made me curious. Nothing more, nothing less.
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So what is the story on Crosby? I've seen some old stories of UNC recruiting the 5 star kid, I've also read where he's a great student and wants to go somewhere with a good chemical engineering school. If he was a good student, and good enough to be looked at by UNC (as well as Maryland) why did he go the prep route school? Something seems "different".
I don't care...in fact, I like this kid more than the Wayne HS stud...who I love.

Unless, of course, he's in legal trouble in which case I say 'off with his head'!!!
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No conspiracy story, just interested in the backstory. Typically, kids that are good students and are have taken a recruiting visit to UNC have a bunch of options and don't end up at a 5th year prep school. Kid could have been injuried, family sickness that delayed things, could have been holding out for a spot, didn't get in the spring, didn't like his options and decided to take a step back and get in some college credits at a prep school and push back the start of college a season. By many accounts, he's a good kid, so I don't suspect there was anything seedy going, just an atypical route for a kid that seems to have a bunch of options, made me curious. Nothing more, nothing less.
Kid has a good head on his shoulder and surrounded by good people. Going from HS to College is a big change as you all know and he chose to go to a college prep school that has classes run like a college (not sitting in one room all day). I suppose he has dreams of NBA (which all bball athletes should have), so coached by his parents and HS coach they may have persuaded him to take an extra year to get ready for the next level. If so pretty smart for the kid and those around him. One year invested in his growth could pay big dividends down the road.

Don't believe he had any academic or social issues.
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I heard it is Pierre. He's leaving early to join the Canadian draft.
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I'm just kidding. I just wanted to participate in the rumor mill.

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Love his size and confidence at the point. Sees the floor well. Beautiful shot with a high arc. He appears to be a decent athlete. Needs to perfect and lower his dribble for a college level PG.

These are complete ballplayers that Archie is bringing in.
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For the record I like everybody we're bringing in. Mikesell has size as a ball handler and knows how to shoot the rock. He and Sam Miller are guys Rick Majerus would typically recruit. Williams is a talent from under our nose. Crosby also looks the part.

These guys all seem to have one very important thing in common: they are basketball players first, and if they are athletic too -- thats a secondary skill to exploit their basketball skills. We've gone the "recruit athletes" route and it did pay dividends, but it also had shortcomings on the back end of it that we never could overcome.

Dyshawn Pierre is a great athlete. But, he's a basketball player first. I like Archie's eye for talent. He's not a perfect recruiter. Nobody is. You get some right and you get some wrong. I like the tool kits most of his commitments have though -- the ability to play more than one position.

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not a huge fan of his jump shot. Looks like he was taking some tough contested jump shots as well. His speed doesn't blow me away. But he looks crafty, I like his handles, and he finishes well with the right and left hand. Also it looks like has a nice floater which he'll need at the next level.
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Yeah, the floater was money. His jump shot form wasn't the best -- legs apart, not square to the bucket. But the guy had nice control of the basketball and had a second gear around the hoop. Keeper!
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Archie has seemingly recruited a number of guys recently who are good students (Davis, Williams, Crosby) and wouldn't be surprised if that is true of Mikesell and Williams.
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I just noticed that verbalcommits has "Spots Left" and "Open Offers" tallies for the classes of 2015, 2016, and 2017, never saw that before. The Spots Left tally for 2015 is -1.

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We are seeing a pattern for sure.

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Love his size and confidence at the point. Sees the floor well. Beautiful shot with a high arc. He appears to be a decent athlete. Needs to perfect and lower his dribble for a college level PG.

These are complete ballplayers that Archie is bringing in.
Arch definitely has defined his desired guard skills. They all have the ability to finish a drive to the hoop with a number of options.
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Not surprising. This past weekend on campus had to have been Archie's dream recruiting weekend. The weather was perfect.
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With Vee Sanford gone, I think Crosby may become the Flyer's "floater in the lane" or the "how'd he do that?" scoring leader. He seems to have a quick, soft mid-range shot.
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With Vee Sanford gone, I think Crosby may become the Flyer's "floater in the lane" or the "how'd he do that?" scoring leader. He seems to have a quick, soft mid-range shot.
I agree with Crosby, but actually think we have more than one. Arch likes those lane finishers.
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With Vee Sanford gone, I think Crosby may become the Flyer's "floater in the lane" or the "how'd he do that?" scoring leader. He seems to have a quick, soft mid-range shot.
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I agree with Crosby, but actually think we have more than one. Arch likes those lane finishers.
Floaters, pull up jumpers, and crafty midrange buckets, is where I think Charles Cooke will really excel when he's eligible. Nice to have a PG who has that ability as well.
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Originally posted this in the 2015 recruiting thread, thought some might be interested in an older Sun profile on Crosby:

Found this in an old (5/9/12) interview with Crosby. Thought it was interesting nonetheless:

“It was more of an academic decision,” Crosby said. “At Poly, they have the engineering type of field. That’s what I want to do. I want to be a chemical engineer. I just thought it would be better to go to an engineering high school, graduate from there and go to a good engineering college. It was just a great fit for me.”

Sounds like a smart kid (3.8 at the time of the article) whose prospect status may have plateaued a bit (which isn't to say he doesn't have a tremendously bright future).

One last quote from his AAU coach, “He’s just been a great addition, man, a great addition to the team,” Oliver said. “He’s a true point guard that can knock down the open shot. His decision-making is great. He’s getting better defensively."

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Interesting to note that both guards that Archie seems to be targeting (Crosby and Gresham) are even-keeled, run the ship type PGs; both also have good size.
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I'll say this: He's going to have his plate full if he intends to play high-level college basketball AND major in CME.

As an aside, a friend of mine from my class in high school went to UD and majored in engineering (I can't recall if it was chemical or electrical) and he was a National Merit winner who had his tuition picked up by his future employer. Over the years we've lost touch.

He was up in Stuart Hall and I was down in Founders and we didn't see each other much. But when I did run into him just before Christmas of our freshman year and we had a chance to talk, he said he'd never worked anywhere near as hard in HS as he was at UD.

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NOt sure about basketball but we have a very recent all american who majored in chemical engineering from our vollyball team. Rachel Krabacher, not only graduated with honors and was an all american vball player but she is back at UD going for her masters and working with the team.
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Floaters, pull up jumpers, and crafty midrange buckets, is where I think Charles Cooke will really excel when he's eligible. Nice to have a PG who has that ability as well.
I think we will get a preview of where Arch is going with these new recruits when we see Ryan Bass in action this season. Too bad he is only with us for a year. I think Ryan will be a highlight reel.
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Not sure about chemical engineering, but Bobby Wehrli is a mechanical engineering major. Ralph Hill was also pursuing a degree in that field of study before transferring.

Between Sam Miller's uncle (Faculty - Liturgical Ministry) and Dayton's engineering program, it's nice to see the academic side of things factoring into the recruitment of athletes.

Crosby's story is pretty much the ultimate red and blue fairy tale because you have a kid from the east coast who could have gone to a big school like Maryland with plenty of tradition in one of the big conferences. But he cites the NCAA tournament run and recent success as the reason he was drawn to Dayton. Then, as if you didn't love him already, he adds that the clinching factor in his decision was the quality of the degree he could pursue in a most challenging field.
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Ryan Bass is our modern day Darnell Hoskins?
Kind of. Although Oakland isn't exactly Wisconsin. If Dayton were the Texas State Fightin' Armadillos, he'd be our Paul Blake. How's that for an early 90s movie reference? Also, the title Modern Day Darnell Hoskins wouldn't work that well for Ryan if Darnell Hoskins Jr. became a Flyer. Last I heard he was being recruited a little bit.
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I'll say this: He's going to have his plate full if he intends to play high-level college basketball AND major in CME.

He was up in Stuart Hall and I was down in Founders and we didn't see each other much. But when I did run into him just before Christmas of our freshman year and we had a chance to talk, he said he'd never worked anywhere near as hard in HS as he was at UD.
In days gone by it was harder in ENG than today ... I mean bambo POST, Metal K&E sliderules, computational capability was limited and if you happened to knock your rule off the top of the desk during a mid-term and without a small screwdriver no easy way to square up all those pieces you were in deep do do!

Now there's an app for that!

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At the beginning of my 1st semester freshman year the dean had all the various Engineering students assembled. He then had us look to our right then to our left. He then said in 4 years only 1 would still be in Engineering. They figured there was a 50% washout rate at that time.
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Thumbs up Sounds very much like a true leader

Truly excited for John Crosby. No piece of cake though.

For the guy on the left, I was on HIS right. For the guy to the right, I was on HIS left. Checkmate. Couldn't win at Civil Engineering. What iced it was the very first Homecoming weekend all the engineers were in the labs except me. Some guys just aren't cut out for that intensity. My BSBA and MS made me a comfortable living. But I admire those who stuck it out.
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Good to see that E8 tourney run still paying dividends. Kids these days live by sportscenter highlights. I underestimated the value of a deep tourney run. It got us looks from kids who probably didn't even know where Dayton was on a map.
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Good to see that E8 tourney run still paying dividends. Kids these days live by sportscenter highlights. I underestimated the value of a deep tourney run. It got us looks from kids who probably didn't even know where Dayton was on a map.
Somewhere in the dust bin of posts that I presented somewhere on this board, I mentioned that the PR from the E8 run would only live so long ..... It still has legs ... but as the season is upon us and the games bring their own NEW PR (good OR bad) those legs will shorten ... If we run 3-7 or so before conference and sit home come March, well then the legs are gone IMO.

If we do well and manage another good showing in the NCAA (Sweet 16) well then the PR is not only renewed it is strengthened ...

CONSISTENCY is the word of the game. Players see all this stuff on all the new social media like WE all saw this past year .... and as quickly as it shows up on social media it gets swallowed up by the next big story line and the video's are like old movie tapes in black and white in someone's basement.

So here's looking forward to CONSISTENCY
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If we do well and manage another good showing in the NCAA (Sweet 16) well then the PR is not only renewed it is strengthened ...
I don't even think that they have to make the Sweet 16, I think that if they just make the tournament again, then the UD brand is strengthened. If they miss the tournament, then yes, a little luster of the Elite 8 is lost, but I think the program will get at least some value from the Elite 8 for at least a couple/few seasons.

I think everybody knows that there is a lot of craziness in the tournament, even the blue chip programs lose in the first round sometimes.

Some of these recruits just want to be able to play in the tournament.

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Somewhere in the dust bin of posts that I presented somewhere on this board, I mentioned that the PR from the E8 run would only live so long ..... It still has legs ... but as the season is upon us and the games bring their own NEW PR (good OR bad) those legs will shorten ... If we run 3-7 or so before conference and sit home come March, well then the legs are gone IMO.
And I respectfully think that you will be wrong again like the many that said our E8 will NOT be the gift that keeps on giving. It opened recruiting doors, and will continue to be part of our story line just like the "UD can't win at Cintas" is dead because X won't play us. The announcers will stick with the Miller brothers story and the E8 until it's not a grabby lead-in and is replaced by something else at least until we are eliminated in the A10 Tournament even if we don't get a bid.

We are on telecasts of various kinds for what, maybe 23-25 games. In each telecast the talking heads will be looking for a story line that has POP! They look for whatever has audience impact.
And our E8 will have impact regardless of our record at least until the A10 Tourney starts. And even then unless we are pitiful, the story line will be "look what Dayton did last season, it's a new beginning for all the teams regardless of record -- a second season if you will"

In every telecast, the announcers are looking for an angle that will pump up the audience. We going to be on many broadcasts. If not the E8, what are they going to talk about that will excite their audience?

I predict that we will hear about the E8 until we are eliminated from the A10 Tournament AND do not receive a bid. Then and only then will the E8 die. Also, if we do get in the tournament somehow, the E8 will get legs again because "folks, the Flyers are playing like they are going to do it again". That's show biz.
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At the beginning of my 1st semester freshman year the dean had all the various Engineering students assembled. He then had us look to our right then to our left. He then said in 4 years only 1 would still be in Engineering. They figured there was a 50% washout rate at that time.
Actually the washout rate mentioned was 67% (two out of every three). When I started in '59 in Civil Engineering, all 42 of us got the same speech. Amazing how right they were -- 14 of us graduated in CE. Also, as I recall, the term "washout" didn't necessarily mean flunk out. It simply meant you wouldn't make it through in CE.
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And I respectfully think that you will be wrong again like the many that said our E8 will NOT be the gift that keeps on giving. It opened recruiting doors, and will continue to be part of our story line just like the "UD can't win at Cintas" is dead because X won't play us. The announcers will stick with the Miller brothers story and the E8 until it's not a grabby lead-in and is replaced by something else at least until we are eliminated in the A10 Tournament even if we don't get a bid.

We are on telecasts of various kinds for what, maybe 23-25 games. In each telecast the talking heads will be looking for a story line that has POP! They look for whatever has audience impact.
And our E8 will have impact regardless of our record at least until the A10 Tourney starts. And even then unless we are pitiful, the story line will be "look what Dayton did last season, it's a new beginning for all the teams regardless of record -- a second season if you will"

In every telecast, the announcers are looking for an angle that will pump up the audience. We going to be on many broadcasts. If not the E8, what are they going to talk about that will excite their audience?

I predict that we will hear about the E8 until we are eliminated from the A10 Tournament AND do not receive a bid. Then and only then will the E8 die. Also, if we do get in the tournament somehow, the E8 will get legs again because "folks, the Flyers are playing like they are going to do it again". That's show biz.
Jordan Sibert, the Ohio State transfer, agrees with you.

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Actually the washout rate mentioned was 67% (two out of every three). When I started in '59 in Civil Engineering, all 42 of us got the same speech. Amazing how right they were -- 14 of us graduated in CE. Also, as I recall, the term "washout" didn't necessarily mean flunk out. It simply meant you wouldn't make it through in CE.
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In '68 there were three of us potential Civil's sitting in a row. As seniors we all were still there, we all kept asking when the others were going to switch majors. We all made it.
How many Civil's do we have here on UDP? That's at least 4 - Sid, axe, me and my brother (rarely posts).
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Good to see that E8 tourney run still paying dividends. Kids these days live by sportscenter highlights. I underestimated the value of a deep tourney run. It got us looks from kids who probably didn't even know where Dayton was on a map.

Aw Schucks, There were seven other teams in the elite eight. If we are looking for the one determining factor which has raised the recruiting visibility we will have to look elsewhere.

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Jordan Sibert, the Ohio State transfer, agrees with you.
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And I respectfully think that you will be wrong again like the many that said our E8 will NOT be the gift that keeps on giving. It opened recruiting doors, and will continue to be part of our story line just like the "UD can't win at Cintas" is dead because X won't play us. The announcers will stick with the Miller brothers story and the E8 until it's not a grabby lead-in and is replaced by something else at least until we are eliminated in the A10 Tournament even if we don't get a bid.

We are on telecasts of various kinds for what, maybe 23-25 games. In each telecast the talking heads will be looking for a story line that has POP! They look for whatever has audience impact.
And our E8 will have impact regardless of our record at least until the A10 Tourney starts. And even then unless we are pitiful, the story line will be "look what Dayton did last season, it's a new beginning for all the teams regardless of record -- a second season if you will"

In every telecast, the announcers are looking for an angle that will pump up the audience. We going to be on many broadcasts. If not the E8, what are they going to talk about that will excite their audience?

I predict that we will hear about the E8 until we are eliminated from the A10 Tournament AND do not receive a bid. Then and only then will the E8 die. Also, if we do get in the tournament somehow, the E8 will get legs again because "folks, the Flyers are playing like they are going to do it again". That's show biz.
Sure, it might have legs.

"Dayton, coming off that exciting E8 run, sure is making that run look like a fluke after losing 8 of their last 9 games. It will be another 30 years before UD makes the E8 they way they look."

And all the recruits said, "I want to go to the tournament EVERY year, I don't have that long to wait."

If you believe there's no such thing as bad publicity, then I agree. But otherwise, there are times I would rather just be ignored if the alternative is being mocked. But generally I think the life of the E8 run is 1 year. The life of a Final 4 run is 2 years. No one really knows the modern life of a championship because it has always been won by a major.
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There is nothing bad that can come out of the Elite 8 run being mentioned. Its a fact and it shows the potential that this program has. Think about George Mason, you still hear about their final 4 run, it still comes up as a point of conversation and that was what, 6 years and a different coach ago? If UD lost 8 of 9 at some point, they may say that the Elite 8 run was a fluke, but that still better than hey they've lost 8 of 9 and will never make it anywhere in the dance. The Elite 8 is factually proof that this program can show up on the big stage, just as Gonzaga has, just as X has, just as VCU has done. Time will erode the value of the Elite 8, that is only natural, but its going to be associated with this program for perhaps the next decade. Actually, the only way I think it ceases to be window dressing over the next 2-3 years is if UD backs it up with runs to the sweet 16 or beyond over that time frame, then the Elite 8 gets lost amongst all the other postseason success.

And that my friends, would be a good thing.
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But generally I think the life of the E8 run is 1 year. The life of a Final 4 run is 2 years. No one really knows the modern life of a championship because it has always been won by a major.
Disagree on the shelf-life of THIS E8 run especially in terms of impact on recruiting. I think Dayton's run will make a difference in at least 2-3 recruiting cycles. That can be extended by continued success, or it could be shortened if Archie took another job or the wheels completely fall off.

A couple of factors to consider that make the run more lasting in my opinion --

1) The Fact that Dayton was the Bracket-busting Cinderella Team.
2) The Celebration Scenes -- For a kid thinking about college social life, those were gold.
3) Knocking Ohio State out of the tourney -- will be remembered locally.

Had that trifecta not occurred, then I think it would be closer to the timeframe you suggest.
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UD has always a level of name recognition that does fluctuate from year to year. You could lump us together with Gonzaga, St. Louis, X, UMass, Butler, etc. I think we have a better fan base and almost a cult following, but what we lack is stability at the head coach position. If we go to the E8 again this year, we just bought a ticket on the coaching carousel. I may be be easier to to attract another quality coach, but let's face it, we are starting over . . . Again. Somehow we need to become a destination program, and not a stepping stone program. Would being in the NBE help, probably. I'd love to find out.
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If we go to the E8 again this year, we just bought a ticket on the coaching carousel.
They may stay in-house in that case. Still, better to be in a position to have to replace a promoted coach vs. not being in that position.
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Ticket to the coaching RUMOR carousel has already been punched. Even if Dayton misses NCAA tourney altogether, Archie will still be a hot name. If he were like 20 years older or didn't have the bloodlines, he could fly under the radar a little more, but youth and pedigree with NCAA success is kind of hard to beat.
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I give Archie 1 more year before he moves up and no more than 2...but am glad that he's recruiting like he plans on being here for another 5+.
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I give Archie 1 more year before he moves up and no more than 2...but am glad that he's recruiting like he plans on being here for another 5+.
the pipeline definitely slowed to a trickle in the last few years before Purnell left.
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I give Archie 1 more year before he moves up and no more than 2...but am glad that he's recruiting like he plans on being here for another 5+.
I think it is harder to read than that. Archie is in a great place with a great fan base. He is also coaching somewhere that everyone would tolerate a couple of down years, that isn't the case everywhere. I also think that Archie knows that he couldn't earn more respect for a final four appearance, or even national championship than at UD.
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I think it is harder to read than that. Archie is in a great place with a great fan base. He is also coaching somewhere that everyone would tolerate a couple of down years, that isn't the case everywhere. I also think that Archie knows that he couldn't earn more respect for a final four appearance, or even national championship than at UD.
Archie has an older brother we all know too well that had the exact same situation not so long ago at some dump a little south of the Ghetto...and he didn't hesitate moving up and out. Sibling rivalry being what it is, I don't see him staying here much longer.
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UD has always a level of name recognition that does fluctuate from year to year. You could lump us together with Gonzaga, St. Louis, X, UMass, Butler, etc. I think we have a better fan base and almost a cult following, but what we lack is stability at the head coach position. If we go to the E8 again this year, we just bought a ticket on the coaching carousel. I may be be easier to to attract another quality coach, but let's face it, we are starting over . . . Again. Somehow we need to become a destination program, and not a stepping stone program. Would being in the NBE help, probably. I'd love to find out.
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There is nothing bad that can come out of the Elite 8 run being mentioned. Its a fact and it shows the potential that this program has. Think about George Mason, you still hear about their final 4 run, it still comes up as a point of conversation and that was what, 6 years and a different coach ago? If UD lost 8 of 9 at some point, they may say that the Elite 8 run was a fluke, but that still better than hey they've lost 8 of 9 and will never make it anywhere in the dance. The Elite 8 is factually proof that this program can show up on the big stage, just as Gonzaga has, just as X has, just as VCU has done. Time will erode the value of the Elite 8, that is only natural, but its going to be associated with this program for perhaps the next decade. Actually, the only way I think it ceases to be window dressing over the next 2-3 years is if UD backs it up with runs to the sweet 16 or beyond over that time frame, then the Elite 8 gets lost amongst all the other postseason success.

And that my friends, would be a good thing.
Maybe, but, I just think that the kids who were 15 years old last year, and are 16 now, potentially early committed at 17, and signed at 18. . . well a lot can happen to turn a kid toward a different flavor of the month in that time frame.

Just because an announcer occasionally says "remember George Mason's big run" it doesn't cause any recruit to say anything more than "that was nice for them, but I can see more clearly every day that it was a fluke."

I hate to say it, but the difference with _avier is that they sustained it for many years in a row. They didn't rely on 1 run. But now, it's getting to be danger time. After making the sweet 16 in 4 out of 5 years (1 E8), they've now missed the tournament 1 year and lost the play in game in the next year. If they miss the tournament this year I think they're going to be a program in decline. 1 run to the sweet 16 lasts for a year or 2, going 4 out of 5 years builds serious credibility, but even that fades quickly.

2010: 4 recruits, 3 were 4 starts and 1 was 3 star
2011: 1 4 star, 1 3 star
2012: 4 recruits, 3 were 4 starts and 1 was 3 star
2013: 1 4 star, 1 3 star
2014: 6 recruits, 2 are 4 starts and 4 are 3 star
2015: none committed (per ESPN), 4 considering, 1 is 4 star, 3 are 3 star

Gradual? Sure. Directional? I think so. Despite going to the "more elite conference" I don't see a big pickup in their recruiting, actually I see it pointing downward. If they don't make the tournament this year they may not sign a 4 star recruit. As that pipeline gradually dries up, you're left with nothing but Mack's coaching ability. Good luck with that.
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I can't believe the E8 run is this magic elixir that some of you believe it to be.

Yes, once again I state that all the social media and the sports centers ran great for us. But remember Butler? They had what, 2 final games in a row ... when was that? AND the recruiting is where? (So was it only the coach that impacted the recruit, the NCAA runs, or a combination of both? Don't know but their NCAA runs hasn't worked out long term has it.)

Yes the potential recruit can hear an E8 run, but not OVER the NOISE generated by the latest hot team action.

Going 3-7 before conference play (suppose) and falling to .500 in conference play, announcers will bring up the E8 run and say something that ends the sentence in a negative tone ... such as ' but it looks like Dayton will struggle to finish ... yada yada" Failing to get into the NCAA, well that result in today's sports environment takes quite a bit of shine off something that by then happened "last year".

Today both society and the media move to the next BIG thing. The next what's HOT item. I know some of you believing that the E8 run will last for 2-3 years ... well how excited are your friends or kids for you that you have an iPhone 4?

How many great recruits have George Mason gotten since that NCAA? Yes every once in a while an announcer makes the statement about the great run but really how impactful is that? It sounds like history not current events.

I'm not wanting to be delusional, I need to accept the world as it looks like it exists. Without some follow up the E8 lasts 1 year ...



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Since this changed into a thread about AM's tenure, I will say it surprises me that seasoned posters think AM's departure is a fait accompli with good success.

Yes, attractive offers would not go unconsidered, but I cannot agree that it follows that departure would be a 'done deal.' Perhaps leaning 'towards', but the probabilities are not of CERTAINTY in my estimation.

As a relative outsider, I think University of Dayton is an unusually unique prospect with higher upside than implied here.

I might bet going your way given a premier ACC job offer, but I would think that I took on some risk of being wrong.

Secondly, I think it a poisonous perspective when given light from the university's most ardent proponents in an atmosphere that really does not call for it being highlighted. As the forum is for persons not always in agreement posting diversely, I shared my opinion as such.
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Archie has an older brother we all know too well that had the exact same situation not so long ago at some dump a little south of the Ghetto...and he didn't hesitate moving up and out. Sibling rivalry being what it is, I don't see him staying here much longer.
Sean did move on; after five seasons in Norwood.

If there's anything to learn from the tenure of his older brother, it's that the Miller's ideally are two-stop coaches. In both cases, they took what could be considered plum entry-level gigs (lots of support, all the infrastructure to succeed), then Sean moved to a top-tier program where I assume he envisages a long illustrious career in Tucson. I'd like to think Archie has the same game plan.
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Maybe, but, I just think that the kids who were 15 years old last year, and are 16 now, potentially early committed at 17, and signed at 18. . . well a lot can happen to turn a kid toward a different flavor of the month in that time frame.

Just because an announcer occasionally says "remember George Mason's big run" it doesn't cause any recruit to say anything more than "that was nice for them, but I can see more clearly every day that it was a fluke."

I hate to say it, but the difference with _avier is that they sustained it for many years in a row. They didn't rely on 1 run. But now, it's getting to be danger time. After making the sweet 16 in 4 out of 5 years (1 E8), they've now missed the tournament 1 year and lost the play in game in the next year. If they miss the tournament this year I think they're going to be a program in decline. 1 run to the sweet 16 lasts for a year or 2, going 4 out of 5 years builds serious credibility, but even that fades quickly.

2010: 4 recruits, 3 were 4 starts and 1 was 3 star
2011: 1 4 star, 1 3 star
2012: 4 recruits, 3 were 4 starts and 1 was 3 star
2013: 1 4 star, 1 3 star
2014: 6 recruits, 2 are 4 starts and 4 are 3 star
2015: none committed (per ESPN), 4 considering, 1 is 4 star, 3 are 3 star

Gradual? Sure. Directional? I think so. Despite going to the "more elite conference" I don't see a big pickup in their recruiting, actually I see it pointing downward. If they don't make the tournament this year they may not sign a 4 star recruit. As that pipeline gradually dries up, you're left with nothing but Mack's coaching ability. Good luck with that.
I hate X with a double passion, but seriously their recruiting is not slipping. They have a top 25 class starting school. They are close on a 4 star and three 3 stars for next year. How many stars do our 2015 guys have? Their problem is they now have an average coach, and are cleaning up some very bad recruiting decisions they made. Their NCAA appearances, pro players and BE status help their recruiting immensely. It is where we need to be.
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I hate X with a double passion, but seriously their recruiting is not slipping. They have a top 25 class starting school. They are close on a 4 star and three 3 stars for next year. How many stars do our 2015 guys have? Their problem is they now have an average coach, and are cleaning up some very bad recruiting decisions they made. Their NCAA appearances, pro players and BE status help their recruiting immensely. It is where we need to be.
They always say that they have the next coming in their freshman classes. They have not been to the round of 64 in the last two years. They have shifted their off-season discussion from winning tournament games to recruiting hype. Recruiting star-ratings mean a lot less than they are made out to be IMO. Paper tigers.

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I don't see the NBE getting all that much respect. Heck even Buzz Williams didn't like it and left,. Others have cited that it lost its luster and will take a great deal of time or luck to get it back. I think Dayton is situated very well and are getting far more now than if we had joined the NBE. Other than the names from the past we so would like to renew rivalries with we are on ESPN, CBSSports and NBCSports and not Fox 1.

When is the last time Dayton was on national TV as many times as we will be this year. We are building and the future looks bright.
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Fox Sports 1 is not getting the viewers it needs. That should be pretty obvious after last year's ratings numbers. The NBE can coast on it's laurels from the last decade for only a year or two more, IMHO, after which time it will be real interesting. They desperately need to get four to six teams into the NCAA tourney this year and next, and some of those schools will have to do pretty well, or the NBE will be permanently reclassified in the national consciousness and the minds of sports writers and editors as .....Gasp.... mid-major.

The A-10 TV contract, although not very remunerative, is going to be up in a few short years and A-10 viewership the last two years is way up.

Will each school get $3 Million dollars from an A-10 TV contract like a NBE teams get from Fox? Of course not, but we'll be seen....SEEN....in homes around the country on the ESPN family of networks, CBSsN, and NBCsN. That in itself more than compensates for the money shortfall.

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Fox Sports 1 is not getting the viewers it needs. That should be pretty obvious after last year's ratings numbers. The NBE can coast on it's laurels from the last decade for only a year or two more, IMHO, after which time it will be real interesting. They desperately need to get four to six teams into the NCAA tourney this year and next, and some of those schools will have to do pretty well, or the NBE will be permanently reclassified in the national consciousness and the minds of sports writers and editors as .....Gasp.... mid-major.

The A-10 TV contract, although not very remunerative, is going to be up in a few short years and A-10 viewership the last two years is way up.

Will each school get $3 Million dollars from an A-10 TV contract like a NBE teams get from Fox? Of course not, but we'll be seen....SEEN....in homes around the country on the ESPN family of networks, CBSsN, and NBCsN. That in itself more than compensates for the money shortfall.

And seriously....who watches FS1?
Traveling the country from west coast to east and down south I live in motels and rarely if ever do I find FS1 offered in those motels. Its just not a draw yet.

Like Archie stated, if the NBE comes calling we will listen. Right now the A10 is on the rise while the BNE has a lot to do to get its luster back.

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Fox Sports 1 is not getting the viewers it needs. That should be pretty obvious after last year's ratings numbers. The NBE can coast on it's laurels from the last decade for only a year or two more, IMHO, after which time it will be real interesting. They desperately need to get four to six teams into the NCAA tourney this year and next, and some of those schools will have to do pretty well, or the NBE will be permanently reclassified in the national consciousness and the minds of sports writers and editors as .....Gasp.... mid-major.

The A-10 TV contract, although not very remunerative, is going to be up in a few short years and A-10 viewership the last two years is way up.

Will each school get $3 Million dollars from an A-10 TV contract like a NBE teams get from Fox? Of course not, but we'll be seen....SEEN....in homes around the country on the ESPN family of networks, CBSsN, and NBCsN. That in itself more than compensates for the money shortfall.

And seriously....who watches FS1?
I do. I like their version of sportscenter way better than actual sportscenter. They will actually show highlights of games and for the most part not spend 45 minutes of every hour talking about the NFL or beating a dead horse when there are other things going on in the world of sports. If it wasn't for ESPN having so much more when it comes to live sports, I would not watch it.
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I do. I like their version of sportscenter way better than actual sportscenter. They will actually show highlights of games and for the most part not spend 45 minutes of every hour talking about the NFL or beating a dead horse when there are other things going on in the world of sports. If it wasn't for ESPN having so much more when it comes to live sports, I would not watch it.
45 minutes of every SportsCenter is NFL talk. . . in March. I hate it, don't bother watching it anymore.
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45 minutes of every SportsCenter is NFL talk. . . in March. I hate it, don't bother watching it anymore.
The important question is this. Would you rather see the Flyers on ESPN or FS1? Agree sportscenter most of the time is talking heads impressed with their own self importance, but as far as basketball games, I'll take ESPN every time. That could change in the future but it may take a long time, if ever.
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Justin is right. And I admit guilt. But usually when the thread detours, the info on the primary subject has run dry and diversionary segue's are plentiful. We have talked about this before and we have never really found a solution other than to suggest the next new news on John Crosby gets a new thread,
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Talking Diversion

IF we all sat around a table at Milano's on Brown with a beer and pizza and started a discussion about a specific topic centered on UD BB eventually someone would bring up another topic somewhat related to the original content AND Ladies and Gentlemen we would have our real time diversion!

So these are natural occurring events whether here on a board or over pizza and beer .

The only difference here is we can't enjoy our beer and pizza as we speak (type).

Unless of course some of you have splashed beer and pizza crumbs over your keyboard now!

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Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse View Post
I want nothing to do with E$PN. They spew liberal nonsense all day long and undermine the sports world they parasite to. Their agenda is maddening. They are as much anti-capitalist as is the Environmental Movement. Their daily attacks on the NFL are absurd. Bring on Fox Sports Ohio or Fox Sports 1.
You forgot that they are also working with the lizard people who are running our government!

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I found this thread and found it interesting to look back.

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I heard it is Pierre. He's leaving early to join the Canadian draft.
We now know we can blame you 1/2 season off
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