Scott & Robinson, warrants out for their arrest

[udscott]

Breaking news.....
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[lhsgolf19]

David Jablonski ‏@DavidPJablonski

From Montgomery County Prosecuting Attorney Mat Heck: Former Dayton Flyers Scott, Robinson charged.

https://twitter.com/DavidPJablonski/...80111184601088

[udscott]

Scott 7 counts of 2nd degree burglary, Robinson 3 counts of 2nd degree burglary, whereabouts unknown, so warrants were issued nationwide
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[Viperstick]

Heck was undoubtedly sitting on this until the season was over.

[DallasFlyer]

Because the week after you get bounced from the tourney, you've just got to find a way to stay in the news cycle...

[rollo]

Is Lebanon Correctional D2 or D3?

[Viperstick]

The timing is interesting.

I think the U probably asked if this could be tabled until the season was over as it would detract from the compelling narrative the team was writing (and the media was devouring).

While you heard about Scott/Robinson as part of that narrative, it was soft pedaled since there were no charges. Would have sounded different (and arguably would have hurt the feel good True Team story line) if there were felony charges out there. Doubly so if Dumb & Dumber were on the lam for an extended period of time.

[Ready Action]

Originally Posted by rollo Is Lebanon Correctional D2 or D3?

Lebanon is in flux that is Warren refuses to play 'em.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by rollo Is Lebanon Correctional D2 or D3?

Closer to JUCO. Most of the guys there played for, or held offers from Bob Huggins.

[The Price is Wright]

You wonder if X will do the right thing and part ways with one of their top guys. For some reason I think they won't.

When I heard X was in the sweet sixteen I thought they meant 16 technical fouls. That's about how many they have this year, which is disgraceful. If I were a fan of them I'd be concerned about their sportsmanship, or lack thereof.

Keep the taunting and flagrant fouls coming X men. Zip em' up.

Go Arizona!!!!

[NCkevi]

If they've already been charged why would the case go to a grand jury?

[Smitty10]

Heck must be a big Flyers' fan who felt great like the rest of us this season. Then when we got bounced out of the dance, his mood changed.

[jumpin' joe]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 Heck must be a big Flyers' fan who felt great like the rest of us this season. Then when we got bounced out of the dance, his mood changed.

He can be seen at most every game sitting in section 104 on the aisle.

[FLYER5]

Sounds like a Thelma and Louise sequel...

[UD94]

Don't know about Tweedledum, but I've seen Tweedledee a couple of times at Hollywood Casino Columbus, including 2 or 3 weeks ago.

[UDEE79]

My sources tell me Scott is still a student at UD could that be true?
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[N2663R]

Originally Posted by rollo Is Lebanon Correctional D2 or D3?

I think they are actually NAIA - National Association of Inmate Athletics

[hoch21]

No Scott has been gone for a while. Devons dad reads this board and is comparing this situation to Kavanaughs. Devon was caught stealing an iPad his freshman year, beat his girlfriend and now stole from the dorms. These were just the things that made the media! Many other stories about things that happened as well have surfaced. The best thing for him to do is be silent. Devon was a really good player but you cannot do what he did multiple times. He was given many chances and warnings and he blew it. His dad said there was no proof. Let's see many eye witnesses AND camera footage. Let it go and move on, hopefully he can get back on his feet.
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[shocka43]

Not happy that the incidents happened in the first place, but am glad that the victim's in these cases are able to have them dealt with properly.

UD is coming off nothing but positive press, and while you can guarantee that the "news" was held until the season is over, it now re-ignites a black eye on the program.

Don't know if I would rather have this dealt with now, or held until the middle of the summer when there is virtually no press on the Flyers. Hopefully this passes before next season and these two knuckleheads can be completely forgotten regarding UD.

[UDEE79]

Originally Posted by hoch21 No Scott has been gone for a while. Devons dad reads this board and is comparing this situation to Kavanaughs. Devon was caught stealing an iPad his freshman year, beat his girlfriend and now stole from the dorms. These were just the things that made the media! Many other stories about things that happened as well have surfaced. The best thing for him to do is be silent. Devon was a really good player but you cannot do what he did multiple times. He was given many chances and warnings and he blew it. His dad said there was no proof. Let's see many eye witnesses AND camera footage. Let it go and move on, hopefully he can get back on his feet. Posted via Mobile Device

Thats strange because my niece works at a Brown St. Eatery and she said that Devon comes in to eat there and he says that he is still a student at the U. Weird. Also where are the posts by Devon's dad? He is a Prider?

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by UDEE79 Also where are the posts by Devon's dad? He is a Prider?

Social media...states that MK's situation was the way it was because of his family ties to UD. He fails to mention that this was the first criminal accusation towards MK (not minimizing it)...and also fails to mention that D these two knuckleheads had previous criminal incidents that didn't lead to removal from the program or school.

[N2663R]

Shocka, you are correct we need to move on. Also time to change your signature line . . .

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by N2663R Shocka, you are correct we need to move on. Also time to change your signature line . . .

How's that...

[jumpin' joe]

Originally Posted by UDEE79 Thats strange because my niece works at a Brown St. Eatery and she said that Devon comes in to eat there and he says that he is still a student at the U. Weird. Also where are the posts by Devon's dad? He is a Prider?

Maybe Devon is still using his Flyer Express card...or maybe somebody else's card.

[UDEE79]

Shocka I love that quote do you mind if I make it my sig too?

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by UDEE79 Shocka I love that quote do you mind if I make it my sig too?

The more the merrier...it stands for what this years team was all about.

[Flyer2]

If Matt Heck needs to find the Twins he just has to talk to JS who said he talks to them all the time.

[UDEE79]

I gotta say this bothers me a little. I want my law enforcement to move forward oblivious to how the Flyers are doing. If they had the goods to charge the twins in January or February then charge them.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by shocka43 Social media...

Don't ask where I got this quote from Devon's dad...

"This is some straight up NONSENSE and these kids were kicked off the team and out of their dorms without any investigation of any kind. Neither live in Dayton so they did not have a place to live so they had to move. NOW that Dayton has lost they want to do a investigation all of a sudden to attempt to ruin these kids futures. It is bad enough they did not get due process before being removed and was made homeless but now that they were forced to move on now YOU issue warrants after the team lose! They lost their scholarships and was kicked off of the team and forced to move and now they issue warrants. smh

Please pray for this injustice, not because Devon is my son and i have known Jalen since he was little BUT BECAUSE THIS IS WRONG HOW THEY TREAT THESE KIDS IN COLLEGE!"

[VirgM]

Originally Posted by rollo Don't ask where I got this quote from Devon's dad... "This is some straight up NONSENSE and these kids were kicked off the team and out of their dorms without any investigation of any kind. Neither live in Dayton so they did not have a place to live so they had to move. NOW that Dayton has lost they want to do a investigation all of a sudden to attempt to ruin these kids futures. It is bad enough they did not get due process before being removed and was made homeless but now that they were forced to move on now YOU issue warrants after the team lose! They lost their scholarships and was kicked off of the team and forced to move and now they issue warrants. smh Please pray for this injustice, not because Devon is my son and i have known Jalen since he was little BUT BECAUSE THIS IS WRONG HOW THEY TREAT THESE KIDS IN COLLEGE!"

Wow, sounds like denial to me. I guess maybe they'll get their "due process" after all. Maybe dad should have taught his son to respect other people property (and money).

[UDEE79]

Originally Posted by rollo Don't ask where I got this quote from Devon's dad... "...NOW that Dayton has lost they want to do a investigation all of a sudden to attempt to ruin these kids futures..."

I agree with him on this statement. If they have the goods to charge them they should have done it in December

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by UDEE79 I agree with him on this statement. If they have the goods to charge them they should have done it in December

They'd be convicted by now in Greene County...

[N2663R]

Originally Posted by rollo . . . It is bad enough they did not get due process before being removed and was made homeless . . .

Ahh, are they homeless because you won't let them live with you because you are afraid they will steal from you, or is there another reason?

[cj]

Originally Posted by rollo

. . . It is bad enough they did not get due process before being removed and was made homeless . . .

[QUOTE"N2663 Ahh, are they homeless because you won't let them live with you because you are afraid they will steal from you, or is there another reason?"QUOTE]

Quick question for N2663R - Who made that statement above your quote??

[Sea Bass]

Oy vey.

They are gone.

[steve]

Originally Posted by UDEE79 I agree with him on this statement. If they have the goods to charge them they should have done it in December

Serious question here but do you, or anyone else, know the exact details of the investigation and to what extent? I would assume there are plenty of cases, in general, that might take upwards of several months for actual charges to incur..Again, I don't conduct them nor have ever been charged, but just wondering..

[N2663R]

Originally Posted by cj Originally Posted by rollo . . . It is bad enough they did not get due process before being removed and was made homeless . . . [QUOTE"N2663 Ahh, are they homeless because you won't let them live with you because you are afraid they will steal from you, or is there another reason?"QUOTE] Quick question for N2663R - Who made that statement above your quote??

Per Rollo, it was Devon's dad. Sorry, should have copied the entire post.

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by steve Serious question here but do you, or anyone else, know the exact details of the investigation and to what extent? I would assume there are plenty of cases, in general, that might take upwards of several months for actual charges to incur..Again, I don't conduct them nor have ever been charged, but just wondering..

Not with cases that require no fingerprints, no DNA returns, no complex investigation...

These two were observed with EYE WITNESSES as well as surveillance video supporting the investigation...in the real world...they would have been taken into custody within days, interviewed, and incarcerated...Grand jury...indictment...and either held/bond posted/or OR'd...

In any other city...when a victim identifies a suspect...and there is probable cause to arrest...and proceed for a felony filing and grand jury...it is done instantly...it doesn't sit so the suspects have time to victimize others.

[rollo]

Shocka, will past indiscretions and unannounced suspension by these 2 become public as part of the court/trial process??

or will Heck allow them to plea down, avoid court (and bad P.R. for UD) and send them back to C-bus with a slap-on-the-wrist and a couple misdemeanors on their record?

[IndianaFlyer]

They may become public, but not through the court process. Previous uncharged offenses cannot be entered as evidence or considered as aggravators when determining punishment by the court.

[AC91]

well, I'm not sure why the delay, butit has to be for more than just optics, considering every time i heard those two mentioned the burglary issues were always pretty front and center. Perhaps there was an agreement made with the DA and victims that was somehow broken? Perhaps the two were supposed to stay in town and because they cannot be found, this was the natural course of action? Perhaps there was an issue with witness availability? I have no idea, but, to me, it wouldn't have been that big a deal to UD if the warrants happened earlier because it was generally understood what happened that night once they were kicked off. I don't see a DA sitting on something that was already known anyway. Whatever the reason, it is an issue with the DA. and if the DA did something that does not seem appropriate for a DA to do, then maybe the people of Dayton need a new DA? However, i'm thinking it has something to do with the "whereabouts unknown" part of the announcement.

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by shocka43 They'd be convicted by now in Greene County...

That's a laugher. They would never be prosecuted in Greene Co.

[College B-Ball Fan]

Originally Posted by UDEE79 I gotta say this bothers me a little. I want my law enforcement to move forward oblivious to how the Flyers are doing. If they had the goods to charge the twins in January or February then charge them.

If "this" bothers you.........good thing that you don't work in or near the "system"!

Me, I'm just glad twiddledee and tweedledumb were charged! They will be convicted (of something) as well!

Maybe they should put off there transfer plans for awhile.......

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by FLYER5 That's a laugher. They would never be prosecuted in Greene Co.

Yeah right...Greene, Clark, and Miami...would have been a done deal by now...you obviously have no experience with the Montgomery County court system.

Maybe you are right...they wouldn't have been prosecuted in Greene County...a fine upstanding armed citizen would have shot them.

[FLYER5]

To tell you the truth I think its timing is outstanding. Especially if they're incarcerated during the finals! Just perfect.

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by shocka43 Yeah right...Greene, Clark, and Miami...would have been a done deal by now...you obviously have no experience with the Montgomery County court system. Maybe you are right...they wouldn't have been prosecuted in Greene County...a fine upstanding armed citizen would have shot them.

DPD. I didn't say anything about Mont. Co. Only that I believe the tape would've been thrown out in Greene County as insufficient evidence.

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by rollo Shocka, will past indiscretions and unannounced suspension by these 2 become public as part of the court/trial process?? or will Heck allow them to plea down, avoid court (and bad P.R. for UD) and send them back to C-bus with a slap-on-the-wrist and a couple misdemeanors on their record?

One would think that DS would have the longer road to hoe as he is already on probation...so on all accounts...he has a probation violation as well as the additional charges. If he is found guilty, the official incidents regarding the DV and the probation will be brought into the sentencing investigation. JR may get off easier as he has fewer charges and isn't currently on probation.

Originally Posted by AC91 well, I'm not sure why the delay, butit has to be for more than just optics, considering every time i heard those two mentioned the burglary issues were always pretty front and center. Perhaps there was an agreement made with the DA and victims that was somehow broken? Perhaps the two were supposed to stay in town and because they cannot be found, this was the natural course of action? Perhaps there was an issue with witness availability? I have no idea, but, to me, it wouldn't have been that big a deal to UD if the warrants happened earlier because it was generally understood what happened that night once they were kicked off. I don't see a DA sitting on something that was already known anyway. Whatever the reason, it is an issue with the DA. and if the DA did something that does not seem appropriate for a DA to do, then maybe the people of Dayton need a new DA? However, i'm thinking it has something to do with the "whereabouts unknown" part of the announcement.

Well...this is the CJ system in Montgomery County and what you mention have been complaints of law enforcement and citizens alike. Montgomery County has a democrat prosecutor and a republican Sheriff. It always has been that way and always will be. No candidate from the other party will ever get financial backing or an endorsement from their party.

The timing wasn't an accident. I don't care what Flanagan says in the paper. The cases weren't complex. The victims were available on campus, the suspects just as available...as they were kicked off the team and out of school...there was video evidence and eyewitness accounts...and I will bet that UDPD never took the time to utilize DNA evidence...fingerprints get back sooner...this was handled outside of the season for a reason. No doubt in my mind. The PD could have hand walked the fingerprints to the lab downtown and put a hurry up on it due to the "high profile" of the incident and the suspects....if they didn't...it was for a reason...and most likely....the prosecutor had every stitch of evidence they needed in December...they chose not to proceed.

IMO, there wasn't any behind the scenes pact broken by the suspects...to prevent prosecution...it doesn't work that way. Mont Pro just dragged their feet as usual...and most likely without any valid reason.

[UDEE79]

Originally Posted by shocka43 One would think that DS would have the longer road to hoe as he is already on probation...so on all accounts...he has a probation violation as well as the additional charges. If he is found guilty, the official incidents regarding the DV and the probation will be brought into the sentencing investigation. JR may get off easier as he has fewer charges and isn't currently on probation. Well...this is the CJ system in Montgomery County and what you mention have been complaints of law enforcement and citizens alike. Montgomery County has a democrat prosecutor and a republican Sheriff. It always has been that way and always will be. No candidate from the other party will ever get financial backing or an endorsement from their party. The timing wasn't an accident. I don't care what Flanagan says in the paper. The cases weren't complex. The victims were available on campus, the suspects just as available...as they were kicked off the team and out of school...there was video evidence and eyewitness accounts...and I will bet that UDPD never took the time to utilize DNA evidence...fingerprints get back sooner...this was handled outside of the season for a reason. No doubt in my mind. The PD could have hand walked the fingerprints to the lab downtown and put a hurry up on it due to the "high profile" of the incident and the suspects....if they didn't...it was for a reason...and most likely....the prosecutor had every stitch of evidence they needed in December...they chose not to proceed. IMO, there wasn't any behind the scenes pact broken by the suspects...to prevent prosecution...it doesn't work that way. Mont Pro just dragged their feet as usual...and most likely without any valid reason.

I know I am being dense but are you saying that the timing of the charges is due to MontCo incompetence and has nothing to do with the Flyers season ending?

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by UDEE79 I know I am being dense but are you saying that the timing of the charges is due to MontCo incompetence and has nothing to do with the Flyers season ending?

Probably both...probably had it sitting in a file folder until now...you can bet they didn't miraculously get it finished the last week of the season...

I would be willing to bet it was the "Ahhh, we will just wait to present this until the season is over as to not distract the team"...should have been handled in December.

[Avid Flyer]

Personally I believe we are jumping to conclusions without any knowledge of what was/is transpiring.

Back in my day coming out of law school and doing intern work I found some cases proceed straight ahead while others linger. Why because their is a lot of material to go through and I am sure DS/JR were lawyered up immediately.

Since much of the items taken including $$ were returned to the victims they may have lost some of the evidence to put them away immediately. All I had heard is the victims had their items returned, most probably on the advice of their attorney. Remember this was a crime on UD campus so campus police were the lead investigators on this.

Without the hard evidence (items stolen and quickly returned) they most likely had to do extensive work to gather the evidence needed. Even then the evidence would be considered tampered with. In my opinion this muddied the waters if you will which is why DAD is saying their is no evidence. Or the evidence they do have could be considered tampered with. Don't forget you have to get the cooperation of the victims which sometimes is not as easy as one would think. Who knows if the victims were receiving threats and zipped up. Threats then would also be part of the investigation.

Now in my mind, forget the material evidence of items alleged to have been taken, that could be a hot topic by the defense....but the most important aspect of the alleged crime is what is known as "Home Invasion". They have enough to convict them on with surveillance footage and eyewitness accounts of the two actually entering private dorm rooms. In many states "Home Invasion" which is actually burglary while someone is home carries a minimum sentence of 15 years and cannot be plea bargained. Not sure what the law is in Ohio but in Missouri or Illinois they would be out of the public for a long time serving 85% of their time.

Home invasion requires the full support of the victims. If there were ongoing threats to them this could have caused delays in getting the cooperation needed from the victims whether the charges will include "Home Invasion" or just theft or burglary.

Law enforcement in high profile cases have to make sure they dot their i's and cross their t' cause you never know who will comprise the jury.

[Avid Flyer]

Originally Posted by shocka43 Probably both...probably had it sitting in a file folder until now...you can bet they didn't miraculously get it finished the last week of the season... I would be willing to bet it was the "Ahhh, we will just wait to present this until the season is over as to not distract the team"...should have been handled in December.

Did campus police handle this through its entirety or did they hand it down to the Dayton Police. Were you part of this investigation to make the points you have?

At least Dayton didn't take the route UConn did when their two superstars were caught stealing two laptops from dorm rooms and taking them to a pawn shop. They weren't even suspended from the team, no team or student code of ethics violations just the most embarrassing conclusion after the investigation. UConn stated that there was no finding of violations by the two student who simply took the laptops (without permission by the way) to the pawn shop to determine their value so they could tell the owners how much to insure them for. Yep and they made that statement (paraphrased by me) with a straight face. UConn went on to win the National Title that year. Coach Calhoun then retired.

Lets see how X handles their situation, with rumors that a player has committed a violation....so far he is still with the team, traveled and will play against Arizona.

[UDEE79]

Originally Posted by Avid Flyer ...the most important aspect of the alleged crime is what is known as "Home Invasion". They have enough to convict them on with surveillance footage and eyewitness accounts of the two actually entering private dorm rooms. In many states "Home Invasion" which is actually burglary while someone is home carries a minimum sentence of 15 years and cannot be plea bargained... ...Home invasion requires the full support of the victims...

wow! I don't think they should be put away for 15 years!

[rollo]

Originally Posted by UDEE79 wow! I don't think they should be put away for 15 years!

I would be satisfied with a plea bargain of 2 years and 2 vasectomies...1 each for each.

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by Avid Flyer Did campus police handle this through its entirety or did they hand it down to the Dayton Police. Were you part of this investigation to make the points you have?

Sent you a PM...and on to one of your points...

The only mandatory spec in Ohio is a 3 year gun spec for the most part...but there are mandatory sentencing guidelines in some cases...in this situation...there isn't mandatory anything...

Honestly...I wouldn't bank on jail time for either of them...if anyone...it would be DS for a probation violation...and even then...Wright will cry that he has a kid to support...my answer...you should have been home with your kid and not committing multiple burglaries.

[flyerfanatic86]

Originally Posted by Avid Flyer Personally I believe we are jumping to conclusions without any knowledge of what was/is transpiring.

Sure, there are plenty of reasons why it may have taken so long. But the timing is so suspicious that I think a reasonable person can figure out why the hammer came down when it did.

[jack72]

Sympathy should be for the victims, the students and the team, not for the criminals. Give those guys their punishment, and who cares when.

[Avid Flyer]

Originally Posted by UDEE79 wow! I don't think they should be put away for 15 years!

Yeah both Missouri and Illinois amended their penal code to make burglary a tougher sentence if someone was in the house or facility at the time of the crime. There were too many incidents where people we harmed or worse during a burglary when occupied. As you would suspect, the law can be circumvented and also abused.

One case the burglar was charged with "Home Invasion" even though no person was in the premises at the time, but their dog was This was a case of misuse of the code.

In another incident a burglar was arrested with a person in the house but somehow got a reduced sentence as he admitted to 8 other burglaries. Worst part about this incident was that he admitted to crimes he could not have committed as he was in prison at the time of those burglaries.

Incidents like the two above and many more are reasons I left that field of work. Our justice system is not what people think it is,

[Avid Flyer]

Originally Posted by flyerfanatic86 Sure, there are plenty of reasons why it may have taken so long. But the timing is so suspicious that I think a reasonable person can figure out why the hammer came down when it did.

I do agree the timing is a bit suspicious, but just wanted to offer that sometimes circumstance unknown to the general public drag out for reasons only those part of the investigation know.

[Avid Flyer]

Originally Posted by jack72 Sympathy should be for the victims, the students and the team, not for the criminals. Give those guys their punishment, and who cares when.

I agree. As a former victim of a burglary I know what the victims felt right after and it may have taken them time to mentally, physically and emotionally recover. Your space had been violated and everything just goes wacko in your mind and body. It is hard to explain unless you've gone through it. You just want it to go away and not have to relive it.

And in this incident where you are in a trusted environment among peers you know or know of it is even that more dramatic seeing a 6'9" presence in your private space with no regard for you or your property. I pray they do recover in all areas of life.

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by jack72 Sympathy should be for the victims, the students and the team, not for the criminals. Give those guys their punishment, and who cares when.

Fortunately for the team, the sympathy is that their bad press has the potential of taking away of what they just accomplished...

I had sympathy at first for the team...but they obviously prevailed...and became better men due to their adversity.

[Avid Flyer]

Originally Posted by shocka43 Fortunately for the team, the sympathy is that their bad press has the potential of taking away of what they just accomplished... I had sympathy at first for the team...but they obviously prevailed...and became better men due to their adversity.

There were rumors that the players were aware of the two's inclination to violate team, student code of conduct and legal rules and may have expressed their displeasure for the treatment the two had received for prior violations. Much like the team did when Staten came back to talk to new head coach Archie. Players indicated that in no uncertain terms did they want him back.

Gotta give credit also to the remaining players who continued to hold true to all things dumb and dumber didn't. Could have been easy for one or more to take the approach, heck if they can do all that and get away with it , what the heck me too.

[Townie]

I give credit to the prosecutor's office for waiting for the season to be over. Why let these clowns detract from the team more than they already have. This is not an unusual practice.

[swish61]

I wonder how this will end. I thought they should have turned themselves in today.

[TerryK_67]

I can't imagine the fire storm on this board when these two end up on another DI basketball team. Both have a year of eligibility and can sit out the transfer year with no problem (one may literally "sit out" a year). But in any case, if they show remorse and attempt to make amends, "some" school will give then another chance..... I think Jalen would not have any problems; but Devon may have to look for a Cincinnati type place .... let's see where in Huggy bear now?

[Atlantic 10]

Originally Posted by TerryK_67 I can't imagine the fire storm on this board when these two end up on another DI basketball team. Both have a year of eligibility and can sit out the transfer year with no problem (one may literally "sit out" a year). But in any case, if they show remorse and attempt to make amends, "some" school will give then another chance..... I think Jalen would not have any problems; but Devon may have to look for a Cincinnati type place .... let's see where in Huggy bear now?

Jalen has transferred to a D2 school already down south

[jumpin' joe]

Originally Posted by Atlantic 10 Jalen has transferred to a D2 school already down south

_avier?

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Avid Flyer]

The answer is it depends on where the crimes take place. Some states have stricter laws and enforcement than others.

As an example I will use a scenario I am very familiar with. One of my nephews was married to a very cute petite blue eyed blond everyone was sure to love. He was a mixer for several metallic, hard rock and pop groups in Hollywood, living a very comfortable life style. That all came to an end when his now ex was involved with a scandal. (more on that later)

He moved back to Dayton to try and put his life back together. She followed for what ever reason as she had no ties there other than she had custody of their son. She worked her charm, found a man whom she moved in with and got a nice job as manage of a national restaurant.

Seems she had some secrets from the past not known to him or others. Anyway as manager she would often times process the credit cards and once in a while forget to put it with the receipt. If customers didn't notice (probably too many drinks) she would use the credit cards running up thousands of dollars. Well it didn't take to long to trace back where the crime was committed.

My brother the grandparents received a call from the ex in jail now requesting help as she was going to be extradited. Seems there were warrants out from California, Oklahoma, and Texas for fraud, ID theft, credit card stealing, and passing bad checks. A couple months passed and nothing so my brother checked with the Montgomery County offices and found that neither California, Oklahoma or Texas wanted to follow through with the extraditions. Her live in boyfriend paid her bail and somehow they managed to pay for the credit charges. Two years have passed. She since moved to Mason Ohio and has not been back to court. Resolved or not,no one knows for sure.

What is known is that she had to pay back the charges in Dayton but how much did she get away with in California, Oklahoma and Texas. It was nothing for her to show up to pick up her son with a brand new auto title in hand. Evidently she has a stash of cash somewhere.

She ruined by nephews carrier in Hollywood when she befriended several female artists and developed a lesbian affair with a couple of them. instead of abiding by the rule "What happens here stays here" she went to the London tabloids with pictures and accounts of the affairs. Got big bucks but as soon as the stories broke the artists in questions quickly nipped it in the bud. She was outed for violating the rules but since he was her husband he was blacklisted and had to leave his field.

So here is a woman who has a history of criminal behavior, a back stabbing whatever, and is walking the streets a free woman. So i guess if you commit a crime and can get out ahead of the posse then it pays.

Good reason to do a background check before marrying someone. But she was so cute and innocent looking. Now the question begs. how could someone like her grow up like that.....answer..her mother is/was in the Oklahoma prison for similar crimes.

[UDTradition]

Originally Posted by rollo Don't ask where I got this quote from Devon's dad... "This is some straight up NONSENSE and these kids were kicked off the team and out of their dorms without any investigation of any kind. Neither live in Dayton so they did not have a place to live so they had to move. NOW that Dayton has lost they want to do a investigation all of a sudden to attempt to ruin these kids futures. It is bad enough they did not get due process before being removed and was made homeless but now that they were forced to move on now YOU issue warrants after the team lose! They lost their scholarships and was kicked off of the team and forced to move and now they issue warrants. smh Please pray for this injustice, not because Devon is my son and i have known Jalen since he was little BUT BECAUSE THIS IS WRONG HOW THEY TREAT THESE KIDS IN COLLEGE!"

I agree fully with his Dad. It is unAmerican to remove a student without due process. This is patently unfair. I don't care if they have every conceivable surveillance method...it is not right. I do hope that they are treated fairly.

We have a justice system that needs to prevail. I would also question the timing of the announcement. Should have come when it should have come.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by UDTradition I agree fully with his Dad. It is unAmerican to remove a student without due process. This is patently unfair. I don't care if they have every conceivable surveillance method...it is not right. I do hope that they are treated fairly. We have a justice system that needs to prevail. I would also question the timing of the announcement. Should have come when it should have come.

Colleges don't have to work within the justice system when it comes to kicking kids out of school. They can and have kicked kids out for way less.

[Ready Action]

Originally Posted by UDTradition I agree fully with his Dad. It is unAmerican to remove a student without due process. This is patently unfair. I don't care if they have every conceivable surveillance method...it is not right. I do hope that they are treated fairly. We have a justice system that needs to prevail. I would also question the timing of the announcement. Should have come when it should have come.

**** Obama.

[UDTradition]

Obama - cute - I vote Repulican across the line and have since Regan was running. I am consistently conservative and believe in the jurisprudance system. I would challenge the college decision-makers for their actions. Justice is tough stuff............ and requires extraordinary discipline.

Should we abandon our American justice system for the profoundly fair "college justice system" ????????? American Justice is tough stuff and we should base our local justice systems at least loosely based upon the principles that all of us believe in.

These "kids" are innocent until proven guilty. This is our system. Live by it or change it. Anything else is unAmerican.

It's now your turn..........

[T-Bone 84]

I find it hard to believe that no investigation whatsoever was done before these two "gentlemen" were kicked off the team. I would certainly think that the U has some sort of process to deal with situations like this, and that the process was expedited in light of the fact that both were scholarship men's basketball players. At a minimum, I'd think that they would have been found guilty of one or more violations of the student code of conduct, and that this was enough to warrant dismissal from the basketball program, if not the U.

That said, criminal charges are a whole other ballgame, and the standard of "innocent until proven guilty" must be observed. That's necessary when handling any matter in a court of criminal law.

Now the court of public opinion, on the other hand...

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by UDTradition Obama - cute - I vote Repulican across the line and have since Regan was running. I am consistently conservative and believe in the jurisprudance system. I would challenge the college decision-makers for their actions. Justice is tough stuff............ and requires extraordinary discipline. Should we abandon our American justice system for the profoundly fair "college justice system" ????????? American Justice is tough stuff and we should base our local justice systems at least loosely based upon the principles that all of us believe in. These "kids" are innocent until proven guilty. This is our system. Live by it or change it. Anything else is unAmerican. It's now your turn..........

I don't understand the upheaval from either side-especially the dad. We have two processes going on here. The first is the UD student code- which is independent of any scrutiny- it's purely subjective and UD can do whatever they want. If they chose to boot the kids off campus and the team- then that's within their right.
For the Dayton PD investigation and local prosecutors- it's a whole different ball game. They can investigate and take their sweet ole time to decide whether or not they want to press charges at any time- they're not bound to any time frame. I'm sure those 2 guys thought the event had passed and that no charges would be filed- but whatever the local prosecutor decides to do is totally up to him. Now did UD ask for the delay to minimize PR damage to UD and the team- I wouldn't be surprised but that's how it works sometimes as we all know by now
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[rollo]

Does a business have the right to post a sign saying 'no shirt, no shoes, no service' and enforce it?

Can the Schuster Center escort out of their theater a patron who insists on talking loudly on their cell phone throughout Le Miserables?

Would your daughter be right to dump her boyfriend if he dropped out of school, refused to get a job, flush the toilet or take a shower?

If you say 'yes' to these 3 scenarios, then you'll agree with me that any argument questioning the dismissal of these 2 *sshole idiots is ridiculous, let alone unAmerican.

[rollo]

Am I the only one shocked that these f*cking idiots haven't turned themselves in to the authorities?

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by rollo Am I the only one shocked that these f*cking idiots haven't turned themselves in to the authorities?

But Rollo, they're just kids...
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[cj]

Originally Posted by UDTradition I agree fully with his Dad. It is unAmerican to remove a student without due process. This is patently unfair. I don't care if they have every conceivable surveillance method...it is not right. I do hope that they are treated fairly. We have a justice system that needs to prevail. I would also question the timing of the announcement. Should have come when it should have come.

"IF" you say they were dismissed without due process don't you think, based on the words of Devon's father, that there would be a large $$ lawsuit pending. Just because we don't know what happened doesn't mean nothing happened.

[rollo]

If there was any inkling of injustice, the Rhyming Reverends would have been here by now protesting with you-know-who!

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by rollo Am I the only one shocked that these f*cking idiots haven't turned themselves in to the authorities?

I heard on WHIO at 6 am this morning that Robinson was booked into the Montgomery County Holiday Inn Express, I mean jail. They gave no details about how he ended up there.

[cj]

The MCJ does show a "Jalen T Robinson" to be in custody.

[swish61]

JR has a court date today at 1:30.

[FLYER5]

Cool, can we get a reporter from UDP to the MCJ to interview him? I nominate Rollo.

[Columbia Blue]

arrested at 4:30am on west 2nd street by UD Police !?!?!

really too bad for all involved ... they squandered a great education and opportunity

http://mont.miamivalleyjails.org/JAI...0CHARGE_NUMBER

wearing red & blue in the mug shot ... can we take up a collection and donate a box of _avier hoodies for inmates? i digress

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by FLYER5 Cool, can we get a reporter from UDP to the MCJ to interview him? I nominate Rollo.

King Rollo doesn't do interviews...he only does sentencing!

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by Columbia Blue arrested at 4:30am on west 2nd street by UD Police !?!?! really too bad for all involved ... they squandered a great education and opportunity http://mont.miamivalleyjails.org/JAI...0CHARGE_NUMBER

That's just a formality...he turned himself in at 330 W. 2nd....the clink...UDPD is the arresting agency because they had the warrant out...

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by UDTradition I agree fully with his Dad. It is unAmerican to remove a student without due process. This is patently unfair. I don't care if they have every conceivable surveillance method...it is not right. I do hope that they are treated fairly. We have a justice system that needs to prevail. I would also question the timing of the announcement. Should have come when it should have come.

It's "unAmerican" when the justice system doesn't afford due process. Not when a private entity is dealing with individuals who have a lengthy history of breaking campus rules and the law.

Universities have processes in place to allow for "hearings" and "reviews". If UD didn't have these two on a "last chance" agreement, or something to that effect, they were doing a disservice to the entire UD community.

I hope the victims are treated fairly. Don't buy what his dad says...since college students are adults...they are treated as such...and parents aren't part of the process. Raise your hand if you believe his dad had anything to do with the "process" or meetings on campus dealing with his past and current discipline...seeing no hands...he is going by the "word" of his son...and given his indiscretions over his time at UD...his word is about as valuable as a blown out pair of flip flops.

His dad is crying "victim" which is par for the course with individuals that lack accountability...he states that they were kicked out of UD...homeless...on the streets with nothing to eat...give me a break for crying out loud...they have cell phones to call you in Columbus and drive to UD to pick them up? What...they are "on the streets" for an hour and a half tops?

Anyone who takes this guys word as the gospel isn't using any common sense. The victim mentality is written on the wall...those who express that aren't accountable.

[Snackman]

Looks like Scott turned himself in this morning as well.

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by Snackman Looks like Scott turned himself in this morning as well.

30 min ago...not even processed yet.

[Ready Action]

Originally Posted by UDTradition Obama - cute - I vote Repulican across the line and have since Regan was running. I am consistently conservative and believe in the jurisprudance system. I would challenge the college decision-makers for their actions. Justice is tough stuff............ and requires extraordinary discipline. Should we abandon our American justice system for the profoundly fair "college justice system" ????????? American Justice is tough stuff and we should base our local justice systems at least loosely based upon the principles that all of us believe in. These "kids" are innocent until proven guilty. This is our system. Live by it or change it. Anything else is unAmerican. It's now your turn..........

It was just a joke as usually the current sitting Pres gets all of the blame for everything.

[Columbia Blue]

http://mont.miamivalleyjails.org/JAI...NG_ID=26000882

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 For the Dayton PD investigation and local prosecutors- it's a whole different ball game. They can investigate and take their sweet ole time to decide whether or not they want to press charges at any time- they're not bound to any time frame. I'm sure those 2 guys thought the event had passed and that no charges would be filed- but whatever the local prosecutor decides to do is totally up to him. Now did UD ask for the delay to minimize PR damage to UD and the team- I wouldn't be surprised but that's how it works sometimes as we all know by now Posted via Mobile Device

The only clock that needed to be followed prior to filing is the statute of limitations clock...which obviously these guys would be 40 years old before that starts...

I agree that there isn't a clock regarding taking the case for a filing...but here is the rub...

UDPD...they held onto a case...until right now...to go for filing and warrant...as soon as they took the case to the prosecutors and got charges approved...the clock starts...

Reading what I am reading now...since the warrant was under the jurisdiction of UDPD according to the public record....UDPD did the investigation...in conjunction with the Montgomery County Prosecutor...UDPD presented the case...got the filing...

Here is the thing...UDPD potentially delayed the filing...but I would imagine it was done in conjunction with the pros.

From all public records, Dayton PD has nothing to do with this...UDPD does...Dayton PD wouldn't have held onto anything for any reason...as to coincide with the season ending...UDPD and the Prosecutors office seem to have had "timely" decisions in the past too.

The public records aren't real time...but it appears that JR's attorney has already filed for discovery...so this isn't something that just happened overnight...that is why his attorney is crying because warrants were issued...and the mont pro stood by their decision and stated "they are being treated like anyone else"...I believe that from this point forward they will both be treated just like anyone else (and in this county jail time isn't likely)...but the timeline of the process so far didn't happen by chance...they could have been even softer...got felony charges approved...waited to arrest after grand jury...so I will give them that...they appeared to act promptly as soon as they got a filing...

If anyone wants to follow the process:

http://www.clerk.co.montgomery.oh.us/pro/

http://www.mont.miamivalleyjails.org/DEFAULT.ASPX

Tweedledee




Tweedledum

[NJFlyr71]

What an F'in shame! All this time has passed and I STILL SHAKE MY HEAD!

Look at these guy's faces! Do they seem happy? You stupid idiots could have had some SMILES ON YOUR FACES if you had stayed True to the TEAM and kept your nose clean ...


WHAT An ABSOLUTE SHAME!

The sad part? So far the track record seems to be they didn't learn any lessons while inside the Team. Not sure they will learn anything going forward ... the data is just not there.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by NJFlyr71 What an F'in shame! All this time has passed and I STILL SHAKE MY HEAD! Look at these guy's faces! Do they seem happy? You stupid idiots could have had some SMILES ON YOUR FACES if you had stayed True to the TEAM and kept your nose clean ... WHAT An ABSOLUTE SHAME! The sad part? So far the track record seems to be they didn't learn any lessons while inside the Team. Not sure they will learn anything going forward ... the data is just not there.

The really sad part is that one has a kid and the other has one on the way. Kids don't need to start life in holes dug by their parents.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by CE80 Kids don't need to start life in holes dug by their parents.

The Grand Canyon is not a hole.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by rollo The Grand Canyon is not a hole.

Amen brother.
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[rollo]

"DAYTON — UPDATE @3:05 p.m:
Scott and Robinson were arraigned this afternoon. Their cash surety bond was set at $25,000 each. Their next court appearance is scheduled for April 6."


All right, which one of you jock-sniffing enablers is going to bail these two out??

[Beatty Town Coach]

Originally Posted by NCkevi If they've already been charged why would the case go to a grand jury?

To answer you question, and to be clear, the reason most folks don't know the answer to this, is because they rely on the channel 7's of the world; but unfortunately, channel 7 doesn't know this either. But charges always come prior to the grand jury. If you had not been charged, then there is nothing to take to the grand jury. The grand jury only serves to allow the prosecutor to convince the tax payers to bound over for trial. The two former players have not been indicted yet...hence the case was not taken to the grand jury yet. At-least that is the way it typically works.

As for Flyer85, or whomever made the Greene County remark. What?????? Uh, no, in-correct. Virtually any case would be charged and indicted faster (and by that I mean...more easily) in Greene County. End of story...not even close.

As for the charges themselves, if the prosecutor brings a slate of three and seven burglary charges respectively per the particular player, well, fasten your seatbelt, because something doesn't pass the eye/smell test. The rumored accusations are that they stole this and that, etc.; but, so far, no charges brought, actually address that issue whatsoever. The prosecutor's office either has made a huge blunder, or they are stacking the deck on purpose by either excessive charging, or purposefully utilizing the lengthy number of "burglary" charges per-se, as smoke and mirrors kind of justice.

Also, I have to wonder, if they were together when these alleged events occurred, then maybe the extra charges against one player, are a form of payback for a previous missed prosecutorial opportunity. Either way, I don't approve of any of it.

It more than merely appears that there is always a Michael Byron "Mike" Nifong, a Rolling Stone Reporter, or an overly righteous professor who post pictures of half-naked coeds, lurking in the shadows of case story. Either as corrupt officials, or those that stand in the streets chanting to Pontius Pilate to "Crucify Him, Crucify Him". Not that there is anyone on this board like that, but just maybe there is one in downtown Montgomery County Ohio. And, experience says, that overly righteous professors who cannot keep their eyes off of the coeds, are the ones with the most adolescent problems.

It was less than two years ago, that Mr. Heck was running his mouth about how great it was that UD didn't tolerate the likes of Matt Kavanaugh on campus; this of course, after he fully acknowledged there was no prosecutorial options in said situation. Trust me, the current two player case has craziness waiting to happen...written all over it. Oh my gracious Lord, have mercy on all involved. You would think the stupidity would have started and stopped with the actions of the two players; but not, not even close.

[rollo]

So it's all my Royal fault, huh?!! Who do you thing you are...the Queen??!!

I object! (just trying to stay on topic)

[Beatty Town Coach]

No, that's my wife. As it turns out, I was only allowing you to pretend you were king. Deep down inside, you know I am the most analytical thinking persons on earth. That would make me King Beatty...only I fear the Lord...not myself.

Just having a little fun with you Rollo. But seriously, there is something wrong with an indictment of all burglary charges. Something stinks!

[Beatty Town Coach]

Here is a hint: Most folks don't realize what "burglary" actually means. It is not exactly what it sounds like.