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Old 05-05-2017, 04:24 PM
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FWIW, I think he likes Memphis being from the area but from glancing over their board it doesn't seem like they interest in him or Jalen Crutcher
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In the thread Crosby leaving post #147 by Jay O'Leary said it makes him cringe to see Mr. Crosby at the line shooting the one and one with the game on the line. He goes on to say please sign guards who can hit free throws!

I have three more names to throw out there. All three shoot better than 90% from the line! The most interesting is Deondre Bourne a 6'5" combo guard from Leman Manhattan Prep in Brooklyn, NY who is still undecided. He plays both back court positions. He averaged 28.6ppg his senior year and scored 2190 career pts. He visited Fordham and has offers from Central Connecticut State and St. Peters. He made 186 out of 193 free throws his senior year!

Second is David Simental from Pueblo West High in Pueblo West, CO. He is a 6'2" 160lb pt. guard who averaged 25.8ppg as a senior and shot 93% from the line (149 out of 160).

Third is Juan Hurt from Rio Rancho, NM who averaged 20.9ppg and shot 90% from the line (188 out of 208). Food for thought!
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Originally Posted by CvilleFlyer View Post
In the thread Crosby leaving post #147 by Jay O'Leary said it makes him cringe to see Mr. Crosby at the line shooting the one and one with the game on the line. He goes on to say please sign guards who can hit free throws!

I have three more names to throw out there. All three shoot better than 90% from the line! The most interesting is Deondre Bourne a 6'5" combo guard from Leman Manhattan Prep in Brooklyn, NY who is still undecided. He plays both back court positions. He averaged 28.6ppg his senior year and scored 2190 career pts. He visited Fordham and has offers from Central Connecticut State and St. Peters. He made 186 out of 193 free throws his senior year!

Second is David Simental from Pueblo West High in Pueblo West, CO. He is a 6'2" 160lb pt. guard who averaged 25.8ppg as a senior and shot 93% from the line (149 out of 160).

Third is Juan Hurt from Rio Rancho, NM who averaged 20.9ppg and shot 90% from the line (188 out of 208). Food for thought!
Well, we could definitely use a guy who takes care of the ball and Juan Hurt us with turnovers. Just sayin'!
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Well, we could definitely use a guy who takes care of the ball and Juan Hurt us with turnovers. Just sayin'!
I like him better than Juan Bid
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Originally Posted by CvilleFlyer View Post
In the thread Crosby leaving post #147 by Jay O'Leary said it makes him cringe to see Mr. Crosby at the line shooting the one and one with the game on the line. He goes on to say please sign guards who can hit free throws!

I have three more names to throw out there. All three shoot better than 90% from the line! The most interesting is Deondre Bourne a 6'5" combo guard from Leman Manhattan Prep in Brooklyn, NY who is still undecided. He plays both back court positions. He averaged 28.6ppg his senior year and scored 2190 career pts. He visited Fordham and has offers from Central Connecticut State and St. Peters. He made 186 out of 193 free throws his senior year!

Second is David Simental from Pueblo West High in Pueblo West, CO. He is a 6'2" 160lb pt. guard who averaged 25.8ppg as a senior and shot 93% from the line (149 out of 160).

Third is Juan Hurt from Rio Rancho, NM who averaged 20.9ppg and shot 90% from the line (188 out of 208). Food for thought!
Holy cow. If we can land Juan Hurt this year and then Matthew Hurt in another couple years, this will be the best UD squad ever! Course both of em spell their last name wrong but close enough!
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Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
Sounds like he is high on Memphis.

He has no page on verbalcommits, Rivals, Scout, ESPN, or 247sports...very odd IMO.
Here's Gordon's page on VC: http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/jitaurious-gordan

As a side note, I looked at some of the other PGs offered by NAU and came up with these uncommitted names:
  1. Devante Carter (Newport News VA); 3.5 stars, #43 position rank; offered by EKU, NAU, Toledo, Hofstra, So Miss, La Tech, ODU, K-State, IUPUI; http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/devante-carter
  2. Marcus Shaver Jr. (Phoenix AZ); 3 stars, unranked; offered by Portland State, Fordham, UC-Davis, Boise State, UCSB; NAU, UIC, Portland, EMU, Seattle, Hawaii; http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/marcus-shaver-jr
Then started branching out to other schools and came up with these uncommitted names:
  1. David Sloan (Campbellsville KY); 3 stars, #30 position rank, #126 composite rank, offered by IUPUI; http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/david-sloan
  2. Sylvain Francisco (France!); 3 stars, unranked, offered by Arkansas, Texas, K-State, Murray State, Wyoming, URIne; http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/sylvain-francisco
  3. Christopher Duarte (Troy NY); 3 stars, #54 position rank, offered by NMSU, ODU, SLU, SHU, SBU, Hofstra, Monmouth; http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/christopher-duarte
I could have branched more, but I think the point is (pardon the pun) there are still some pretty good PGs out there to be had & the competition isn't overwhelming. I'm intrigued by Sloan--fairly close, good position & overall ranking, only recruited by IUPUI?
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Old 05-05-2017, 07:40 PM
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Here's Gordon's page on VC: http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/jitaurious-gordan
Thanks...his last name was misspelled upthread in post #1480 as Gordon, so that is why my searches came up empty.

His last name is GordAn, not GordOn.
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Sloan played with current Xavier PG Quentin Goodin at Taylor County his junior year. He transferred back to Louisville where he's originally from to play at Ballard but Kentucky high school athletic association ruled him ineligible so he transferred to prep school in Florida for his senior year

At one point as an underclassman he was I believe in the rivals 150 & had a Louisville offer along with some from some good schools. His recruitment has fallen off the radar since he left Taylor County, supposedly he's got some academic issues
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Wichita St board says Francisco has academic issues.

Good guys left but often times there's a reason guys are available this late

I disagree about competition. Duke swept in & got a PG who was gonna commit to Eastern Kentucky this week. Good PGs are high demand now
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As a side note, I looked at some of the other PGs offered by NAU and came up with these uncommitted names:[*]Marcus Shaver Jr. (Phoenix AZ); 3 stars, unranked; offered by Portland State, Fordham, UC-Davis, Boise State, UCSB; NAU, UIC, Portland, EMU, Seattle, Hawaii; http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/marcus-shaver-jr
I mentioned Shaver in this thread previously. He is definitely on the radar.

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Phenom Hoop Report‏ @Phenom_Hoops 5m5 minutes ago

6'1 Unsigned Sr Tyler Maye of Farmville Central (Nc) has now been offered by Dayton #Top80Alum

Another PG along with Crutcher offered
Ramnation board saying Maye is visiting UD today and VCU on Monday. Any Intel?
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Ramnation board saying Maye is visiting UD today and VCU on Monday. Any Intel?
Oh man. Wow. A Maye commit would be huge!
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If Crosby does come back and we only have 1 ship left, do ya'll think it will be used this year or saved for next year to help even the classes out a bit?

Since we have already offered at least 3 other players, does that mean it has to be used this year if one of them accepts? Or can we retract our offers in order to bank the ship?
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If Crosby does come back and we only have 1 ship left, do ya'll think it will be used this year or saved for next year to help even the classes out a bit?

Since we have already offered at least 3 other players, does that mean it has to be used this year if one of them accepts? Or can we retract our offers in order to bank the ship?
Schools pull offers all the time after another player commits. Many times the kid knows the first to commit gets that spot. SOP of recruiting.
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If Crosby does come back and we only have 1 ship left, do ya'll think it will be used this year or saved for next year to help even the classes out a bit?

Since we have already offered at least 3 other players, does that mean it has to be used this year if one of them accepts? Or can we retract our offers in order to bank the ship?
We can retract an offer. Coaches do it all the time. It is part of the way the game is played. If you are a player, you hold out till you are sure you have got the offer you want. If you are a coach, you keep recruiting trying to up the talent you have already offered. It is recruiting musical chairs.

Now days there is a new twist on the game. Recruits reneging on letters of intent, and coaches asking guys to leave.
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Wichita St board says Francisco has academic issues.

Good guys left but often times there's a reason guys are available this late

I disagree about competition. Duke swept in & got a PG who was gonna commit to Eastern Kentucky this week. Good PGs are high demand now
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I realized that it was probably in poor taste to put this in the Crutcher thread, so I deleted this post in the other thread.


You might have covered this in other threads, but, what are your general thoughts on the roster now? Do you think we should still try to land a JUCO or grad transfer to run the point next year?

And we might have up to 2 open scholarships depending on what happens with Crosby and Carter.

3★SGDarrell Davis(6-5 174)
3.7★SFJosh Cunningham(6-7 225)
3★SFXeyrius Williams(6-8 210)
2★SFRyan Mikesell(6-7 210)
3★PFSam Miller(6-9 238)
3★SGTrey Landers(6-4 219)
3.3★SFKostas Antetokounmpo(6-10 190)
3★PGJalen Crutcher(6-3 170)Signed
3★SGJordan Davis(6-4 180)Signed
2★SFMatej Svoboda(6-7 205)Signed
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I realized that it was probably in poor taste to put this in the Crutcher thread, so I deleted this post in the other thread.


You might have covered this in other threads, but, what are your general thoughts on the roster now? Do you think we should still try to land a JUCO or grad transfer to run the point next year?

And we might have up to 2 open scholarships depending on what happens with Crosby and Carter.

3★SGDarrell Davis(6-5 174)
3.7★SFJosh Cunningham(6-7 225)
3★SFXeyrius Williams(6-8 210)
2★SFRyan Mikesell(6-7 210)
3★PFSam Miller(6-9 238)
3★SGTrey Landers(6-4 219)
3.3★SFKostas Antetokounmpo(6-10 190)
3★PGJalen Crutcher(6-3 170)Signed
3★SGJordan Davis(6-4 180)Signed
2★SFMatej Svoboda(6-7 205)Signed
2★PFJordan Pierce(6-10 245)Signed
I think if Crosby goes they'll try to add someone else via Grad/JUCO route.

I like the look of the roster right now. I wouldn't mind getting a grad transfer with the last scholarship to get someone to provide some front court
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Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
I realized that it was probably in poor taste to put this in the Crutcher thread, so I deleted this post in the other thread.


You might have covered this in other threads, but, what are your general thoughts on the roster now? Do you think we should still try to land a JUCO or grad transfer to run the point next year?

And we might have up to 2 open scholarships depending on what happens with Crosby and Carter.

3★SGDarrell Davis(6-5 174)
3.7★SFJosh Cunningham(6-7 225)
3★SFXeyrius Williams(6-8 210)
2★SFRyan Mikesell(6-7 210)
3★PFSam Miller(6-9 238)
3★SGTrey Landers(6-4 219)
3.3★SFKostas Antetokounmpo(6-10 190)
3★PGJalen Crutcher(6-3 170)Signed
3★SGJordan Davis(6-4 180)Signed
2★SFMatej Svoboda(6-7 205)Signed
2★PFJordan Pierce(6-10 245)Signed
I love the length that this team has and think it fits well with AG system.
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As much as I'd like to have some better balance between the classes, if Maye is offered and signed, I think that would be great. Would it be ideal having two Fr point guards? No. But other teams have done it with some level of success. I think we I would consider at that point is if there is a JUCO or grad xfer big out there so that JP can grow into the role.
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I am for filling the last scholly this spring with the best player available. Mikesell and Miller may not be available till late and Crosby may not happen. Transfers and injuries happen. Fill the position, because we may need it sooner than later.

Schools like IU are over recruiting for a reason. Coach K has got caught short twice now. I suspect he may change his recruiting strategy.
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I am for filling the last scholly this spring with the best player available. Mikesell and Miller may not be available till late and Crosby may not happen. Transfers and injuries happen. Fill the position, because we may need it sooner than later.

Schools like IU are over recruiting for a reason. Coach K has got caught short twice now. I suspect he may change his recruiting strategy.
I read about Mikesell but what is up with Miller that he is not available till late in year?
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I read about Mikesell but what is up with Miller that he is not available till late in year?
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Sam Broke his ankle in a practice/scrimmage in the last month... Return TBD
Thanks - just looked back on that thread (1post).

I agree, we have two scholarships to give but 3-4 holes to fill. Get best available plus another PG.
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I have to believe Anthony would like to have more than one scholarship to give for 2018, his first "real" class. If Crosby doesn't come back I would hope to get a grad transfer/JUCO. If he comes back I wouldn't sign another pg now unless he is a stud. If he leaves one scholarship open now he will have two to give next year. I would leave one open unless we can get a stud.
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JUCO isn't going to work unless he would come in as a senior. That really only leaves a grad transfer for a one and done. Not sure there are any left out there that would be better than someone like Maye. I agree with holding back a scholarship for next year, unless Mikesell's surgery doesn't go as well as planned, in which case one might free up that way. Hope not, but with hip issues, you never know and not something you want to take a chance with when your whole life is ahead of you.
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I have to believe Anthony would like to have more than one scholarship to give for 2018, his first "real" class. If Crosby doesn't come back I would hope to get a grad transfer/JUCO. If he comes back I wouldn't sign another pg now unless he is a stud. If he leaves one scholarship open now he will have two to give next year. I would leave one open unless we can get a stud.
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I guess we could find out how he feels about it fairly soon. If he uses the final 2 then he clearly isn't concerned immediately about class balance or having more than 1 for next year.

If he only uses 0-1 of remaining 2 we we won't necessarily know as maybe he couldn't land anymore of his guys for 2017. He's already stated he is thinking big picture and won't bring someone in if he isn't one of his guys.

Personally I'd want as many of my guys in as soon as I could get them. The soooner the roster is full of his guys the sooner his system can be fully implemented. Arch sure wasn't worried about class balance and it worked out pretty good for him.
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JUCO isn't going to work unless he would come in as a senior. That really only leaves a grad transfer for a one and done. Not sure there are any left out there that would be better than someone like Maye. I agree with holding back a scholarship for next year, unless Mikesell's surgery doesn't go as well as planned, in which case one might free up that way. Hope not, but with hip issues, you never know and not something you want to take a chance with when your whole life is ahead of you.
A JUCO would work under my scenario. If we bring in a JUCO to play immediately we will still have only 12 players on scholarship (if I counted correctly). That would give us two for next year with DD graduating. The purpose of the JUCO is not to leave after one year, it is to have someone with experience to play pg this year.
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All of you are trying to be way too nice. If CAG finds guys he really wants from the 2018 class he will simply Cripe guys if he has to.

Go ahead and get whatever players you can for the upcoming season and worry about the future roster later. It's pretty easy to call a guy into the office and tell him that he is not going to play and he should probably transfer.
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All of you are trying to be way too nice. If CAG finds guys he really wants from the 2018 class he will simply Cripe guys if he has to.

Go ahead and get whatever players you can for the upcoming season and worry about the future roster later. It's pretty easy to call a guy into the office and tell him that he is not going to play and he should probably transfer.
So now we're being criticized for being too nice???
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So now we're being criticized for being too nice???
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a business and you have to do what is best for the business. If CAG can get better players than he currently has on the roster then he needs to get rid of the guys who aren't good enough to get UD to the NCAA tournament every year.
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If our coach develops a reputation for encouraging players to leave just so he can reload with better players, the better players will start looking for a better coach.

Your suggestion is a slippery slope we can't afford to slide down.
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a business and you have to do what is best for the business. If CAG can get better players than he currently has on the roster then he needs to get rid of the guys who aren't good enough to get UD to the NCAA tournament every year.

And here I thought it was a message board . . .

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JUCO isn't going to work unless he would come in as a senior. That really only leaves a grad transfer for a one and done. Not sure there are any left out there that would be better than someone like Maye. I agree with holding back a scholarship for next year, unless Mikesell's surgery doesn't go as well as planned, in which case one might free up that way. Hope not, but with hip issues, you never know and not something you want to take a chance with when your whole life is ahead of you.
2 questions that I have.

1. Why won't a JUCO, who is a junior, work?

2. How does Mikesell being injured free up a scholarship? Injured players count towards the 13 scholarship limit.
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2 questions that I have.

1. Why won't a JUCO, who is a junior, work?

2. How does Mikesell being injured free up a scholarship? Injured players count towards the 13 scholarship limit.
Read it again, he saying if RM surgery doesn't go as well as planned.
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Read it again, he saying if RM surgery doesn't go as well as planned.
So, he is saying that this could be a career-ending injury for Mikesell? Is it really that serious?

Even if he has to sit out next year, he still counts against the 13 scholarship limit.
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So, he is saying that this could be a career-ending injury for Mikesell? Is it really that serious?

Even if he has to sit out next year, he still counts against the 13 scholarship limit.
True ,unless he gives it up. I believe the Cincinnati Reds catcher had the same procedure and it took over 2 years. We will have​ to wait and see
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True ,unless he gives it up. I believe the Cincinnati Reds catcher had the same procedure and it took over 2 years. We will have​ to wait and see
No, it was hip 2 years ago, shoulder last year. Since he was going to miss the year because of the shoulder they also cleaned up is other hip.

EDIT: It also appears that Mesoraco had torn labrum in his hips, not hip impingement. So not even the same injury.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/spor...gery/87258236/

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If there's only 1 or 2 scholarships for the 2018 class the staff can really focus their attention on a couple guys they like so that could be an advantage
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A JUCO would work under my scenario. If we bring in a JUCO to play immediately we will still have only 12 players on scholarship (if I counted correctly). That would give us two for next year with DD graduating. The purpose of the JUCO is not to leave after one year, it is to have someone with experience to play pg this year.
You said bring in a JUCO and you wouldn't sign a PG unless he was a stud. So if you sign a stud PG and bring in a JUCO, you only have one scholarship for 18. Maybe you meant JUCO or stud PG and I just misinterpreted what you were saying.
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So, he is saying that this could be a career-ending injury for Mikesell? Is it really that serious?

Even if he has to sit out next year, he still counts against the 13 scholarship limit.
Hip surgery is serious, and the fact that he had impingements in both hips, and requires two surgeries is even more serious. That doesn't mean he won't come back, and I'm not speculating one way or another. But if it's me, and there's a chance that after surgery I could still have issues, I would seriously consider doing something else. A hip replacement in your 20's is followed by one in your 40's or 50's and another one in your 70's or 80's, barring major technological innovation. And who knows what other types of long-term chronic pain might be involved. So, just saying that if it doesn't go well, it's possible Mikesell could give up basketball. Hopefully for him, it does go well.
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If our coach develops a reputation for encouraging players to leave just so he can reload with better players, the better players will start looking for a better coach.

Your suggestion is a slippery slope we can't afford to slide down.
Every coach develops that reputation. That is commonplace now. Archie did it with Alex and in a pretty cold way (Alex couldn't even get a response from him). He probably did it with Ralph Hill. BG did it with Cripe and one other at least who I can't remember. It happens, it's a necessity at this point.
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Hip surgery is serious, and the fact that he had impingements in both hips, and requires two surgeries is even more serious. That doesn't mean he won't come back, and I'm not speculating one way or another. But if it's me, and there's a chance that after surgery I could still have issues, I would seriously consider doing something else. A hip replacement in your 20's is followed by one in your 40's or 50's and another one in your 70's or 80's, barring major technological innovation. And who knows what other types of long-term chronic pain might be involved. So, just saying that if it doesn't go well, it's possible Mikesell could give up basketball. Hopefully for him, it does go well.
I believe this surgery is needed due to a genetic condition, not an injury. I think it always affects both hips.
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I believe this surgery is needed due to a genetic condition, not an injury. I think it always affects both hips.
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I don't think it's genetic, but moreso related to the stress upon the socket as his bones were growing. My guess is it went undiagnosed for a long period of time, and might be traced back to the force he applied to the hip repeatedly through the force of being a pitcher. But as this topic seems to be veering off topic, I have posted a couple of articles and more thoughts on the matter from what I've read in the "not good news on Ryan Mikesell" thread:

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I think the word 'genetic' is being used in place of congenital. This diagnosis is common among active young people these days. It can be treated conservatively but not always perfectly especially those with extremely active lifestyles. These surgeries should have no bearing on future hip issues as long as there is no underlying damage to the labrum or cartilage. While the rehab is long, there is no reason why he should not come back at 100% as long as the FAI (femoracetabular impingement) is the only issue.
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No, it was hip 2 years ago, shoulder last year. Since he was going to miss the year because of the shoulder they also cleaned up is other hip.

EDIT: It also appears that Mesoraco had torn labrum in his hips, not hip impingement. So not even the same injury.

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I believe the labrum tore as a result of hip impingement. Often, that is when the impingement is diagnosed.
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I think the word 'genetic' is being used in place of congenital. This diagnosis is common among active young people these days. It can be treated conservatively but not always perfectly especially those with extremely active lifestyles. These surgeries should have no bearing on future hip issues as long as there is no underlying damage to the labrum or cartilage. While the rehab is long, there is no reason why he should not come back at 100% as long as the FAI (femoracetabular impingement) is the only issue.
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I have to believe Anthony would like to have more than one scholarship to give for 2018, his first "real" class. If Crosby doesn't come back I would hope to get a grad transfer/JUCO. If he comes back I wouldn't sign another pg now unless he is a stud. If he leaves one scholarship open now he will have two to give next year. I would leave one open unless we can get a stud.
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You said bring in a JUCO and you wouldn't sign a PG unless he was a stud. So if you sign a stud PG and bring in a JUCO, you only have one scholarship for 18. Maybe you meant JUCO or stud PG and I just misinterpreted what you were saying.
I said to sign a grad transfer/JUCO only if Crosby does not come back. If Crosby does come back I said I would not sign another point guard at all unless he was a stud. So we would not be signing a JUCO and a stud under that scenario. If Crosby comes back and we can still get a stud, I said to do it. In my last sentence I said to leave one scholarship open unless we can get a stud. If Crosby does not come back and we can get a stud pg, then I wouldn't sign a JUCO. Wow, recruiting is complicated.
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Actually, i think the conundrum of recruiting is, does one recruit the best available player or does one recruit a positional filling. If you recruit by best available player then you end up with a team of all wing players. This is what Archie seemed to lean towards. Hence we only had one center and two point guards with the rest of the team being wing players who all competed for the remaining minutes.
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Not getting my hopes up--Maye visited VCU today.
I just don't see why another freshman PG would want to sign with UD. 2 PGs in the same class just means 1 guy is going to transfer after a year or 2 when they get beat out for the starting job. A grad transfer, a Juco, or Crosby staying is really all that makes sense at this point.
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VCU will probably get him but I wouldn't mind having him. He's someone who seems like he could play off of the ball just as easily as the point
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It was said on VCU board that he cancelled UD visit when Crutcher committed.
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So who is still in play?
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I just don't see why another freshman PG would want to sign with UD. 2 PGs in the same class just means 1 guy is going to transfer after a year or 2 when they get beat out for the starting job. A grad transfer, a Juco, or Crosby staying is really all that makes sense at this point.
Weren't Kyle Davis and Scoochie Smith both point guards in the same class?
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Weren't Kyle Davis and Scoochie Smith both point guards in the same class?
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Maybe, but Kyle probably knew he wasn't really a PG, and likely wasn't actually recruited to play PG. If he wanted to play PG, he probably would have gone elsewhere.
If Crutcher is 6'3 and shoots like they say he can - couldn't he move to SG when the other PG is in the game? Seems like they could co-exist.
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If Crutcher is 6'3 and shoots like they say he can - couldn't he move to SG when the other PG is in the game? Seems like they could co-exist.
What other PG? Crosby? Maye? Maye and Crutcher could absolutely co-exist (Crutcher at PG) but Maye is not coming to UD. He canceled his visit, and isn't considering UD as far as I understand.
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If Crutcher is 6'3 and shoots like they say he can - couldn't he move to SG when the other PG is in the game? Seems like they could co-exist.
More and more teams are embracing a "dual point guard" concept. It makes a lot of sense, especially if at least one of them can shoot the three. I think it gives another opportunity to break down a defense.
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What other PG? Crosby? Maye? Maye and Crutcher could absolutely co-exist (Crutcher at PG) but Maye is not coming to UD. He canceled his visit, and isn't considering UD as far as I understand.
I was thinking about any other freshman PG. It was mentioned that Maye cancelled his visit when Crutcher signed. Not sure I want 2 freshman PGs on the court t the same time, but seems like they could have complimented each other long term.
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I was thinking about any other freshman PG. It was mentioned that Maye cancelled his visit when Crutcher signed. Not sure I want 2 freshman PGs on the court t the same time, but seems like they could have complimented each other long term.
Two point guards on the floor at the same time can absolutely work. We tried it last year, but Crosby didn't play well off the ball with Scoochie. But I think you are more concerned about the aspect of them both being freshman..

So here's the thing: Crutcher is already going to play a lot with another freshman guard in Jordan Davis when Darrell is not on the floor. So two freshman manning the backcourt together is already going to happen whether you like it or not.

The fear here of course with freshman is they are prone to bad decision-making, playing out of control and making turnovers. But if Crosby comes back, he also showed to be prone to all of those things as a sophomore.

All in all, it's kind of a scary proposition, but I'd take another PG in a heartbeat just to give us some more options and combinations to try.
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I'll wager AG brings in a juco or 5th year yet. Surely he's seen The Crosby tragedy on film and knows we'd be a laughing stock with him as the starter.
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Is Frankie Hughes off the board? Seemed like a very capable target.
Nothing I've seen on Twitter about him or 17 F Obi Toppin who took a visit here
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Is Frankie Hughes off the board? Seemed like a very capable target.
I don't know but I do seem to remember that in both the recruitment of Charles Cooke and Josh Cunningham, we heard Dayton was interested, then nothing for weeks if not months. The longer he sits with more schools filling up scholarships, the more likely he may be. I don't think Dayton has signed a player since our initial interest that would minimize our interest now. If we were interested initially, my hunch is we still are.

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Nothing I've seen on Twitter about him or 17 F Obi Toppin who took a visit here
I really like the Obi kid. Guessing he ends up at Rhode Island. Seems like Rhode Island fan base has really honed on him anyway, which means absolutely nothing, but having visited UD, and not committed shortly thereafter, it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence that he will end up a Flyer.
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Here's Gordon's page on VC: http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/jitaurious-gordan

As a side note, I looked at some of the other PGs offered by NAU and came up with these uncommitted names:
  1. Devante Carter (Newport News VA); 3.5 stars, #43 position rank; offered by EKU, NAU, Toledo, Hofstra, So Miss, La Tech, ODU, K-State, IUPUI; http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/devante-carter
  2. Marcus Shaver Jr. (Phoenix AZ); 3 stars, unranked; offered by Portland State, Fordham, UC-Davis, Boise State, UCSB; NAU, UIC, Portland, EMU, Seattle, Hawaii; http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/marcus-shaver-jr
Then started branching out to other schools and came up with these uncommitted names:
  1. David Sloan (Campbellsville KY); 3 stars, #30 position rank, #126 composite rank, offered by IUPUI; http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/david-sloan
  2. Sylvain Francisco (France!); 3 stars, unranked, offered by Arkansas, Texas, K-State, Murray State, Wyoming, URIne; http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/sylvain-francisco
  3. Christopher Duarte (Troy NY); 3 stars, #54 position rank, offered by NMSU, ODU, SLU, SHU, SBU, Hofstra, Monmouth; http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/christopher-duarte
I could have branched more, but I think the point is (pardon the pun) there are still some pretty good PGs out there to be had & the competition isn't overwhelming. I'm intrigued by Sloan--fairly close, good position & overall ranking, only recruited by IUPUI?
Be intrigued no more by David Sloan as he just commited to John A. Logan Community College in Carterville, Illinois. Must not have felt he was ready or had the grades to go Div. 1! OSU Flyer said he heard that Sloan may have had some academic issues. Scott Burgess from verbal commits said the Kentucky recruit was a big time get!

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From a Louisville offer during his junior year to no interest as a senior and ending up in JUCO. You can take it to the bank it was grades

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Kentucky High School basketball is unbelievably slimy
Not all of it's slimy but like any other state there are slimeball's out there.

Richard Gatewood who was the head coach at Taylor Co. is probably the slimeball in this situation. Gatewood was the coach at Moore HS in Louisville when Sloan played there as an 8th grader. Gatewood then got the job at Taylor Co, became Sloan's guardian, and also had Quentin Goodin(Xavier) on the team. Any coach who goes so far as to become the legal guardian of a kid so he can play on his basketball team has some strange motivation in my book. Needless to say but Taylor county was pretty good with those two players, but then after Goodin graduated and Sloan had one year left at Taylor County Gatewood decided to take the head coaching job at a prep school called 22 ft Academy in North Carolina. So basically Gatewood used Goodin and Sloan to get a job at some prep school and ditch the kid he is the legal guardian of. Pretty low move in my book.

Here are a couple links from June of last year when Gatewood left.

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Not all of it's slimy but like any other state there are slimeball's out there.

Richard Gatewood who was the head coach at Taylor Co. is probably the slimeball in this situation. Gatewood was the coach at Moore HS in Louisville when Sloan played there as an 8th grader. Gatewood then got the job at Taylor Co, became Sloan's guardian, and also had Quentin Goodin(Xavier) on the team. Any coach who goes so far as to become the legal guardian of a kid so he can play on his basketball team has some strange motivation in my book. Needless to say but Taylor county was pretty good with those two players, but then after Goodin graduated and Sloan had one year left at Taylor County Gatewood decided to take the head coaching job at a prep school called 22 ft Academy in North Carolina. So basically Gatewood used Goodin and Sloan to get a job at some prep school and ditch the kid he is the legal guardian of. Pretty low move in my book.

Here are a couple links from June of last year when Gatewood left.

http://www.kentucky.com/sports/high-...e85334092.html

http://usatodayhss.com/2016/gatewood...or-prep-school
Some of the rural schools there end up from folks all over like Sloan from Louisville

Rodrick Rhodes who played at Kentucky and in the NBA was coaching some small school in the mountains of Eastern Kentucky and he had kids from all over the world there.

Bowling Green area they'll pull good 7/8th graders from Nashville to play varsity up there because in Kentucky 7th grade & up can play high school.

Growing up in Dayton and living part of my life in Kentucky they've got schools there would put Alter or Wayne to shame when it came to recruiting. Places like Taylor County do a better job of recruiting than the big Catholic schools in Louisville.
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Some of the rural schools there end up from folks all over like Sloan from Louisville

Rodrick Rhodes who played at Kentucky and in the NBA was coaching some small school in the mountains of Eastern Kentucky and he had kids from all over the world there.

Bowling Green area they'll pull good 7/8th graders from Nashville to play varsity up there because in Kentucky 7th grade & up can play high school.

Growing up in Dayton and living part of my life in Kentucky they've got schools there would put Alter or Wayne to shame when it came to recruiting. Places like Taylor County do a better job of recruiting than the big Catholic schools in Louisville.
Yeah as soon as I saw Rhodes got hired at Cordia I knew what was going to happen. You are also correct that some of the rural schools do a great job at recruiting kids. The best all time job was when OJ Mayo and Bill Walker played at Rose Hill Christian in Ashland when they were 7th & 8th graders and got to the state tournament. Of course they both "somehow" ended up at North College Hill in Cincinnati as freshmen. I actually don't have any issue with talented kids like that coming to KY to play in 7th or 8th grade to play varsity basketball rather than beating up on other middle school kids which doesn't do anybody any good.

As for Bowling Green the 8th grader(Zion Harmon) that started for them this season is actually from Virginia originally I think but I'm not 100% sure. He plays for Boo Williams in the top division of the EYBL as he did last year when he was the first 7th grader to do so. He's considered the top PG in the class needless to say. He played for a christian school in Tennessee as a 7th grader and then ended up at Bowling Green for his 8th grade year. Bowling Green ended up winning their first state title, but also had a kid who is going to play at Austin Peay next year. I don't know exactly how Harmon got to BG, but I've never known that particular school to have any MS'ers playing for them since they are a pretty big school. I'd honestly say more people in the area would accuse BG of recruiting football players (have won 5 of last 6 state football titles in their division) than basketball players anyway.

But to sum it up UD should immediately offer Zion Harmon however he ended up in Kentucky.
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Marquise Walker (who was some middle school hyped player) ended up coming down from Chicago to play his 8th grade year at South Warren and jetted after the coach left.

I just assumed that all the Warren County schools were like that

Coming from Ohio I would have thought that Trinity or one of the big Catholic schools would be walking away with the state title every every year in a single division tourney
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Marquise Walker (who was some middle school hyped player) ended up coming down from Chicago to play his 8th grade year at South Warren and jetted after the coach left.

I just assumed that all the Warren County schools were like that

Coming from Ohio I would have thought that Trinity or one of the big Catholic schools would be walking away with the state title every every year in a single division tourney
Trinity and St. X really only care about football for the most part. Trinity has only 1 basketball state title(2012) and their first trip to the state tournament happened in 2004. St. X has 4 state titles but their last one was in 1962 even though they have been to the state tournament 17 times.
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Trinity and St. X really only care about football for the most part. Trinity has only 1 basketball state title(2012) and their first trip to the state tournament happened in 2004. St. X has 4 state titles but their last one was in 1962 even though they have been to the state tournament 17 times.
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Nope. It appears to be a history lesson.
Ray actually said you should cut me some slack because I'm talking about high school basketball teams in a recruiting thread, and I'm letting you know there is no reason to recruit any kids from St. X or Trinity most of the time.

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So Maye is out, Alstork is out, Crutcher and Crosby are Flyers, who does that leave?
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So Maye is out, Alstork is out, Crutcher and Crosby are Flyers, who does that leave?
I think the current roster is the one you will see for next year... Watch for Frankie Hughes to get that last schollie
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So Maye is out, Alstork is out, Crutcher and Crosby are Flyers, who does that leave?
Kaleb 'KJ' Fitzgerald is a 6'0" 155lb pt. guard from Cardinal Newman high school in Florida who is still undecided. His handles are so good that no one can stay in front of him! He is supposedly the best point guard in the state of Florida. Virginia Tech and TCU have made offers but Virginia Tech has since signed Wabissa Bedde sp? at point guard and TCU signed a 4 star PG so 'KJ' may not be interested in them any more!
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I think the current roster is the one you will see for next year... Watch for Frankie Hughes to get that last schollie
I think we are still in on Obi Toppin. I could be wrong though.
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There's still options left but no idea what the staff wants to do

There's some depth guys still left on the grad transfer market especially in the front court. Probably wouldn't be too hard to get one of these guys.

Zach Lofton, McIntosh from Illinois St. and a couple other impact grad transfers are still out there but I haven't seen anything connecting Dayton with them.

Obi Toppin is still out there and there's some decent senior class front court prospects still available including Memphis native Demarcus Mitchell who committed to UTC with Crutcher who just got offered by Wichita St.
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Sounds to me like it's Frankie Hughes or nothing at this point.
I think there are others in play still. There's Obadiah Toppin for one, but I think he's URI-bound. But I feel like there's genuine interest between Dayton and Jitaurious Gordan right now. Reported that Dayton reached out May 2, but I don't think the conversation necessarily stopped with the Crutcher commitment. Go look at the last three guys Gordan has followed on twitter... they are Scoochie Smith, John Crosby and oddly Bobby Wherli. https://twitter.com/JTG_03/following So I really think something could be developing there.
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I think there are others in play still. There's Obadiah Toppin for one, but I think he's URI-bound. But I feel like there's genuine interest between Dayton and Jitaurious Gordan right now. Reported that Dayton reached out May 2, but I don't think the conversation necessarily stopped with the Crutcher commitment. Go look at the last three guys Gordan has followed on twitter... they are Scoochie Smith, John Crosby and oddly Bobby Wherli. https://twitter.com/JTG_03/following So I really think something could be developing there.
JG sounds like a guy in the mold of Tyler Maye. Could play the point but at the high school level at least was a prolific enough scorer that he could play off of the ball.

Only thing I wonder with him are his grades after he signed with a JUCO
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URI coach Dan Hurley has an open scholarship and could use some depth in the frontcourt where junior Nicola Akele and sophomore Cyril Langevine are the only returnees who saw consistent minutes in 2016-17. Obadiah Toppin, a 6-9 forward from Ossining, N.Y., has visited URI and Dayton and is also interested in Illinois and Mississippi State.

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JG sounds like a guy in the mold of Tyler Maye. Could play the point but at the high school level at least was a prolific enough scorer that he could play off of the ball.

Only thing I wonder with him are his grades after he signed with a JUCO
Anyone know how much difference there is between qualifying, partially qualifying and then not qualifying at all and having to go JUCO?

My understanding is that ACC, Pac12, B1G, SEC, B12, AAC and Big East all do not permit partial qualifiers so there could very easily be players who have committed but suddenly find themselves free agents with few option as they cannot be admitted to the school at which they committed. This is an area that Dayton could very easily capitalize by admitting a partial qualifier.

One guy I mentioned previously, Latravian Glover, a very highly-regarded OK State commit from Miami is rumored to be looking at JUCO options. But if he is close and falls in that partial qualifier zone, it would not surprise me at all to see Dayton pounce there.
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Anyone know how much difference there is between qualifying, partially qualifying and then not qualifying at all and having to go JUCO?

My understanding is that ACC, Pac12, B1G, SEC, B12, AAC and Big East all do not permit partial qualifiers so there could very easily be players who have committed but suddenly find themselves free agents with few option as they cannot be admitted to the school at which they committed. This is an area that Dayton could very easily capitalize by admitting a partial qualifier.

One guy I mentioned previously, Latravian Glover, a very highly-regarded OK State commit from Miami is rumored to be looking at JUCO options. But if he is close and falls in that partial qualifier zone, it would not surprise me at all to see Dayton pounce there.
From what I can gather I think a lot of Power 6 schools back off those guys to begin with if they're on the borderline. Not always but I feel like they let them sort themselves them out in prep schools or JUCOs. Too debilitating to have the bottom drop out in those leagues by losing a kid.

I don't have a good read things post prop 48.

I get the impression now from Big Steve and Kostas along with some of those folks like Jalen Reynolds, Myles Davis at Xavier that you pay your own way your first year and if you make the grade first semester you can start practicing with the team.

The cost of Dayton could be daunting if you're paying your own way.

New Mexico State has a junior college attached to their school so they funneled their non qualifiers into there. That's supposedly been a big part of their basketball success
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
From what I can gather I think a lot of Power 6 schools back off those guys to begin with if they're on the borderline. Not always but I feel like they let them sort themselves them out in prep schools or JUCOs. Too debilitating to have the bottom drop out in those leagues by losing a kid.

I don't have a good read things post prop 48.

I get the impression now from Big Steve and Kostas along with some of those folks like Jalen Reynolds, Myles Davis at Xavier that you pay your own way your first year and if you make the grade first semester you can start practicing with the team.

The cost of Dayton could be daunting if you're paying your own way.

New Mexico State has a junior college attached to their school so they funneled their non qualifiers into there. That's supposedly been a big part of their basketball success
Partial qualifiers can accept scholarships and receive all the benefits that all the members of the team get such as tutors, meal plans, ect. They have to sit out 1 full semester before being able to practice. They must also be on good academic standing for a full year to qualify to play. So players like Kostas and Big Steve did not have to pay to go to school at UD.

Non-qualifiers Do not have access to the teams benefits and must pay their own way to school and they cannot practice or compete at all the first year. They also only get 3 years of eligibility. They can earn back the 4th year if they are on good academic standing and have at least 80% of their degree completed prior to starting their 5th year.

http://www.thekeyplay.com/content/20...t-do-they-mean
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