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Old 12-16-2016, 10:00 PM
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Akiean Frederick - Sinclair CC

Does anyone know anything about this Sinclair CC player named Akiean Frederick? He is 6'9" and doing very well at his level. His original school of choice at D-1 was Dayton.

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Based on his size, stats, immediately available next season, and our need for a post player with a bit of experience to give us some depth, I say give him a chance and sign him up.

Sounds like he is a late bloomer having grown from 6'3 to 6'9 after his junior season.

The part about being dismissed from Owens College team is a bit troubling and I see no mention of what he did or why dismissed, nor do I see if he has a troubling track record. So assuming this was his one and only strike and he has kept his nose clean the last two years, I have no problem giving someone a second chance in life as they grow up and mature a bit.

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Archdeacon article about his recruiting: http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/spo...ocxFPN1RLeTVO/.
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Archdeacon article about his recruiting: http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/spo...ocxFPN1RLeTVO/.
Sounds like he can only respond to a coach that has a mild, suggestive rather than demanding personality. Not sure that would be a fit here, probably not. Or at least, that would be something AM would have to take into consideration. I'm guessing he doesn't wind up in a Flyers uniform.

Heck, without someone transferring or a recruit backing out, do we even have a scholarship to give?
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Sounds like he can only respond to a coach that has a mild, suggestive rather than demanding personality. Not sure that would be a fit here, probably not. Or at least, that would be something AM would have to take into consideration. I'm guessing he doesn't wind up in a Flyers uniform.

Heck, without someone transferring or a recruit backing out, do we even have a scholarship to give?
We still have one ship left
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Sounds like he can only respond to a coach that has a mild, suggestive rather than demanding personality.
So I guess he will not be playing D1.
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So I guess he will not be playing D1.
At least, he probably won't be playing at UD. Sounds like he has "millennial snowflake" issues.
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Talent, experience and upside are necessary to be recruited by UD...and brains.

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You forgot maturity. And that's where he's really lacking it appears.
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Originally Posted by priceg75 View Post
If we ever start taking transfers from Sinclair, I'm out.
Yet these schools all think he is potentially good enough, per the article-

Xavier, Butler and UNLV to Bowling Green, Miami University and Marquette —

Not sure where your all coming up with the super negative comments about him as the article posted I do not see much. Yes, I know what his mom said about a coach not yelling at him (is she the first over protective mom in the world who does not know what goes on in the gym) Yes, the article says he did not hit it off with the first coach at Owens, what are the facts there? A lot of people in this world I do not hit it off with. Two years have passed since he left Owens, unless more info I have not seen, maybe, just maybe, he has grown up quite a bit and deserves a chance somewhere good. He was 18 or 19 then, 21 now and 22 when he plays next season. A lot can happen between the ears in that time.

I realize Sinclair is D2, but with the coaches from other big name schools looking at him, and the stats he is putting up, he might be worth a serious look. I would hate for him to put up Norris Cole type numbers in D1 then read all the posts on here about how did Archie let him escape?
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Yet these schools all think he is potentially good enough, per the article-

Xavier, Butler and UNLV to Bowling Green, Miami University and Marquette —

Not sure where your all coming up with the super negative comments about him as the article posted I do not see much. Yes, I know what his mom said about a coach not yelling at him (is she the first over protective mom in the world who does not know what goes on in the gym) Yes, the article says he did not hit it off with the first coach at Owens, what are the facts there? A lot of people in this world I do not hit it off with. Two years have passed since he left Owens, unless more info I have not seen, maybe, just maybe, he has grown up quite a bit and deserves a chance somewhere good. He was 18 or 19 then, 21 now and 22 when he plays next season. A lot can happen between the ears in that time.

I realize Sinclair is D2, but with the coaches from other big name schools looking at him, and the stats he is putting up, he might be worth a serious look. I would hate for him to put up Norris Cole type numbers in D1 then read all the posts on here about how did Archie let him escape?
Well I'm guessing that his over protective mother has the full story as to why he left and gave it to us in nutshell.

If AM wants him and gets him, I'll be fine with that. I'm just taking an educated guess from what little I know that it's not going to happen.
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You forgot maturity. And that's where he's really lacking it appears.
Robinson....Scott...Kavs...recent proof that UD doesn't recruit based on maturity.
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Just because a kid is being scouted by those schools does not mean he will be offered. Wake me up when he gets offered.
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If we ever start taking transfers from Sinclair, I'm out.
There's nothing wrong with a kid righting his ship and going to sinclair. In my opinion, he's much more suited to transfer in as a Juco than a couple 6-9 dudes who were offered the world and decided to pilfer from fellow students. If he's academically qualified, can play defense, take it to the rack and hit foul shots- i say take a good look at him because he WANTS to be a Flyer.
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There's nothing wrong with a kid righting his ship and going to sinclair. In my opinion, he's much more suited to transfer in as a Juco than a couple 6-9 dudes who were offered the world and decided to pilfer from fellow students. If he's academically qualified, can play defense, take it to the rack and hit foul shots- i say take a good look at him because he WANTS to be a Flyer.
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It's a no brainer to take a look. He may not be a good fit. But it shouldn't be real hard to figure out one way or another. Compare this to the last time Dayton took a juco. That kid looked good on paper but Archie flew out to Idaho, met the kid, and signed him the next day. Not a lot of opportunity to see the warts. In this case, Dayton has the luxury of getting to know the kid if they want - as they would a high school kid - before making a decision one way or another. Of course, they are close enough to the situation where they might also already know they're not interested.
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Robinson....Scott...Kavs...recent proof that UD doesn't recruit based on maturity.
It sounds easy. Go find really good, mature kids who you're sure won't get into trouble that can also play basketball. But these are 16-17 year old boys we're talking about. You're taking them to college. Not church. It's like finding dynamite, throwing it in a fire, and then hoping it won't explode. There's going to be some explosions.
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It sounds easy. Go find really good, mature kids who you're sure won't get into trouble that can also play basketball. But these are 16-17 year old boys we're talking about. You're taking them to college. Not church. It's like finding dynamite, throwing it in a fire, and then hoping it won't explode. There's going to be some explosions.
If you keep making and allowing for excuses, you'll only get more explosions. Every trouble maker we've had the past 10+ years has been coddled like a 5-year old caught with his hand in the cookie jar...and the behavior - predictably - never changed. Treat them like adults and, believe it or not, you might get them to start acting like adults.
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If you keep making and allowing for excuses, you'll only get more explosions. Every trouble maker we've had the past 10+ years has been coddled like a 5-year old caught with his hand in the cookie jar...and the behavior - predictably - never changed. Treat them like adults and, believe it or not, you might get them to start acting like adults.
And the end result was predictable based on previous behavior...
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In general Coaches are paid a lot of money to field a basketball team that wins. The view is a bit different than those who's job 1 is to mentor offspring. You can't alter the personality of a child you didn't raise their first 18 years, in only 1 or 2 years.

Look what some parents did with their time. Like Chris Wright and Brian Roberts and hundreds of others that come through our U. Most did really well.

Then look at Robinson and Scott. As a coach you can try to mitigate that childish behavior to some degree to keep them on the court and on course to graduate. But you're not Houdini. Guys like that might get "coddled" a bit, but each case is different. Sometimes it doesn't work and you would have better luck making peace in the Middle East.

As a Coach you try to make good for all parties (sometimes it takes a longer leash), but in the end the U isn't a day care center.
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Rob Lowery was a DII Juco transfer.
And would get less playing time than Trey Landers on AM's teams.
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And would get less playing time than Trey Landers on AM's teams.
Lowery was best used as an offensive backcourt spark off the bench. Archie has used Darrell Davis as a perimeter shooting version of that, and John Crosby as more of an attacking PG in hopes of finding that spark off the bench. Ryan Bass was brought in with the hopes of providing depth and filling that role too. In my opinion, Archie has been searching for a guy to play the Rob Lowery role ever since Vee Sanford graduated. So I disagree when you say that Rob Lowery couldn't have gotten decent minutes on some of Archie's squads.
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And would get less playing time than Trey Landers on AM's teams.
After tearing the patellar tendon maybe. Before not so much.
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I remember a game around Christmas where Lowery hit about 6 threes. He could light it up on occasion.
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Lowery was best used as an offensive backcourt spark off the bench. Archie has used Darrell Davis as a perimeter shooting version of that, and John Crosby as more of an attacking PG in hopes of finding that spark off the bench. Ryan Bass was brought in with the hopes of providing depth and filling that role too. In my opinion, Archie has been searching for a guy to play the Rob Lowery role ever since Vee Sanford graduated. So I disagree when you say that Rob Lowery couldn't have gotten decent minutes on some of Archie's squads.
Lowery was a backup to London Warren who would've been a backup on all teams that AM has sent out there. AM's teams have so much more talent than BG's team it's not even debatable. Oh, he had some decent games, but he wouldn't even be on an AM team let alone get a lot of minutes on one.
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If you keep making and allowing for excuses, you'll only get more explosions. Every trouble maker we've had the past 10+ years has been coddled like a 5-year old caught with his hand in the cookie jar...and the behavior - predictably - never changed. Treat them like adults and, believe it or not, you might get them to start acting like adults.
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Lowery was a backup to London Warren who would've been a backup on all teams that AM has sent out there. AM's teams have so much more talent than BG's team it's not even debatable. Oh, he had some decent games, but he wouldn't even be on an AM team let alone get a lot of minutes on one.
Archie has scrambled before and gotten some guys who didn't work out. If Rob Lowery was on the street with eligibility instead of Ryan Bass, he could have played a role. If London Warren was a 5th year with immediate eligibility like the kid from New Mexico he went after, Archie could have used him. I don't disagree that they would have been unlikely recruits for Archie or that Archie has raised the bar on recruiting, but I don't think you can just say guys like that would never play for Archie when history has shown otherwise.
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Archie seems to be able to get the most out of his guys in terms of player development. The same player might perform differently, either performing better or worse, under a different coach. Just sayin'.
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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer View Post
Archie has scrambled before and gotten some guys who didn't work out. If Rob Lowery was on the street with eligibility instead of Ryan Bass, he could have played a role. If London Warren was a 5th year with immediate eligibility like the kid from New Mexico he went after, Archie could have used him. I don't disagree that they would have been unlikely recruits for Archie or that Archie has raised the bar on recruiting, but I don't think you can just say guys like that would never play for Archie when history has shown otherwise.
After watching the 2nd half of tonight's game after my original post, I might have to back off my statement. John Crosby might have been replaced by a Warren or Lowery at this point. He's really a very selfish PG when he first gets in the game. I'm really getting worried about him.
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Arch has a lot of work to do to even make Crosby a backup in the future. He does press the pace, but seldom finishes it to our advantage. The hurrier he goes, the behinder he gets.
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I sort of gave up on Mikesell a couple of games ago. Different description than Crosby, but same conclusion. How did that one turn out last night? At half time last night our sophomores were like 0-12 without a point, then the light went on for two of them. No one knows when the light will go on for young players, or for that matter our seniors in the first half of games.
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All the sophomores minus Crosby have made strides this year, showing the kind of improvement you want to see. I wouldn't say I'm especially worried though or really down on Crosby though. I do think he's going to put it all together, and will be a good player. The season is still young though... plenty of time for him to flash progress as the others have at various times. Consistency and improvement is what we want from those guys. Overall, I've been mostly encouraged.
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And would get less playing time than Trey Landers on AM's teams.
Let's not forget that Lowery is still getting paid to play basketball. He isn't exactly a slouch.
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Im with with Smitty on this one. Lowery did what he did and was what he was. Im glad he chose UD and glad he played here. But if anyone thinks he would have taken minutes from Vee,Jordan,Scooch,Khari,Kyle and Cooke they are misinformed.

As for concern about Crosby next year as was stated up in thread, no need to be, he will be in the same role next year. I expect McKinley to get the job out of the gate.
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Im with with Smitty on this one. Lowery did what he did and was what he was. Im glad he chose UD and glad he played here. But if anyone thinks he would have taken minutes from Vee,Jordan,Scooch,Khari,Kyle and Cooke they are misinformed.

As for concern about Crosby next year as was stated up in thread, no need to be, he will be in the same role next year. I expect McKinley to get the job out of the gate.
Rob doesn't play the same position as Vee, Jordan, Kyle, and Cooke, so he wouldn't have. He was a backup PG. I personally think he was better than Khari, but you are right he wouldn't have started over Scooch. But how many games has Scooch played all 40? He would have got minutes as a backup PG. And lets not forget...when Scooch was a freshman, we thought about the same of him as we thought of Crosby until late in the year. If you don't believe me, go back and look at game threads and threads about this senior class when they were freshman. He wouldn't have been a major contributor, but he would have got 8-12 minutes a game.
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Rob doesn't play the same position as Vee, Jordan, Kyle, and Cooke, so he wouldn't have. He was a backup PG. I personally think he was better than Khari, but you are right he wouldn't have started over Scooch. But how many games has Scooch played all 40? He would have got minutes as a backup PG. And lets not forget...when Scooch was a freshman, we thought about the same of him as we thought of Crosby until late in the year. If you don't believe me, go back and look at game threads and threads about this senior class when they were freshman. He wouldn't have been a major contributor, but he would have got 8-12 minutes a game.
Here's a thread from Jan., 2013 that discusses all of our seniors and titled "The Class that Couldn't Shoot Straight"

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Im with with Smitty on this one. Lowery did what he did and was what he was. Im glad he chose UD and glad he played here. But if anyone thinks he would have taken minutes from Vee,Jordan,Scooch,Khari,Kyle and Cooke they are misinformed.
I don't think anyone has implied that Lowery was better than those guys.

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As for concern about Crosby next year as was stated up in thread, no need to be, he will be in the same role next year. I expect McKinley to get the job out of the gate.
If not out of the gate, pretty soon I think as well but I wouldn't expect McKinley to play 35 minutes a game as a freshman. So we're going to need Crosby to help win some games next year!
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